Topic: Fire Emblem: Fates

If NA wanted to censor Tharja's swimwear, they could have done a better job. The curtain can lead those not in the know to think there's nothing on behind it, which makes it seem worse.

With the second group, I actually find the usage in the NA dialogue to be pretty funny; it actually leaves more to the imagination. It is odd that EU cut it out completely, but as it was a comment not significant to any sort of plot, I find no problem with it.

In fact, unless it doesn't impact the plot or gameplay in any way, I have no problem with censorship.

If you want a good suggestion, I have convinced a few people throughout the years very easily to buy a game because it is cool. But I spent half a year being butthurt around early 2009 that interesting Wii games and new IPs were being ignored by (quite frankly, deeply hypocritical) hardcore gamers, but because I became butthurt, I was consistently made fun of as such. Or likewise the consistent reaction I get from newbies to Dark Souls whenever the fandom notices you didn't play the game the best.

Butthurt is counter productive. That is why I've only briefly and calmly talked about the weak choice to take away breast slider from Xenoblade Chronicles X and taking away from what certain female gamers would want (and have said they wanted). It's dumb, but I'd rather not make people who feel that option is a good idea in some games to look obnoxious. Self sabotage is not recommended, shockingly.

People ought to object to this paternalistic nonsense. It's a shame that only a minority is objecting.

This statement makes no sense at all. Why are you even using the word "moral" in this context?

I think some of this is unnecessary criticism. Did you actually plan to stare at Tharja, dress a 13-year-old in a bikini, and adjust your character's breast size?

Because it's a morally significant topic.

What I do or do not intend to do when playing a specific game is irrelevant to this issue. My proclivities should not affect the free choices of others. And the proclivities of others should not affect my free choices.

I will say the same thing that always come up with Nintendo and these types of changes, why do Nintendo put them in and allow them in the first places? They can't be soley thinking of the Japanese audience in today's age of gaming and must know it will create problems with localization.

@Ralizah: what are you referring to specifically in Fates as to something being censored? As far as I'm aware, nothing but the first couple of hours (via Directs, trailers, E3 etc) of the localised version has been seen, so I'd say this is all a much-ado-about-nothing at least until we play the game. Maybe wait a little longer and hope for the best?

The discussion was about censorship in general, with specific reference to censorship in Western versions of Fire Emblem: Awakening.

I'd be shocked if Fates wasn't much more heavily censored, though, seeing as how the content in it is more risque.

This is such a textbook example of the middle ground fallacy Lz. The 2 positions just aren't morally equivalent in any way.

Anti-censorship is just inherently better than censorship. Even if you ignore all of the serious political arguments about how censorship leads to control and authoritarianism, anti-censorship is just better in terms of consumer satisfaction (assuming you have a varied market) . If you censor nothing, but just advertise and inform about controversial content, people who don't like that content can simply avoid the game and as long as they have that varied market, there should be plenty of other stuff that doesn't contain that particular content.
Whereas if you censor a certain kind of thing completely, people who wanted that thing may have literally no way of playing it at all. That is not equivalent. One option allowed for everyone to get the things they like, the other option only kept 1 party happy.

This is quite the fallacy too. You are completely ignoring the people who hate the kinds of content that are censored.

there should be plenty of other stuff that doesn't contain that particular content.

There SHOULD be, yes, but they are just as vocal as the anti-censorship crowd.

Whereas if you censor a certain kind of thing completely, people who wanted that thing may have literally no way of playing it at all.

Importing is always an option, which is what this type of crowd is inclined to do.

That is not equivalent. One option allowed for everyone to get the things they like, the other option only kept 1 party happy.

I can't really tell you how often Japanese media disinterests me due to the presence of fanservice. The presence of too much can ruin the entire product. If it can be avoided like Fates (the My Castle), then fine, but sometimes it can't be avoided.

@arronishere: Can't censor, if their's nothing to censor. But this has been bugging me for a while. Like, why add that stuff?

Did MonoSoft know they were going to release this over seas? Then they did a bad job panning and designing. If they think they'll get more money from us, then the whole point of putting Japanese fanservice tropes, it's just dumb.

This is an example. Fates is going to be localized, so why put fetishes, player worship, pandering, fanservice and content found to be repulsive in the game if you know it'll be taken out?

So this all started because of Tharja. Again. Why am I not surprised? I sorta do hope that there is a risqué female character in Fates that is quote-unquote censored, because I'm sick to death of seeing that pose of hers. Better yet, let's have several characters censored so that they can complain about several different soft-porn features not making it into their T-rated Nintendo game. All just to stop that one picture being posted again, and again, and again, and again. The way I see this 'problem', I know which side is more annoying to me personally, and hint it isn't the side that stopped me seeing a girl in a bikini and having a character comment on her genatillia, I've now seen that picture so many times I've gone beyond the point of caring about it being 'censored'. So again, let's all hope that Fates is full of the censorship so there is at least some variety, eh?

^Boobs aren't genatillia. That would be alot weirder if they just started talking about each other's vaginas.

I hope Fates has a strong character roster like Awakening did. There were so many characters I liked in Awakening like Vaike, Frederick, Chrom and Owain.

I don't know much about this Corrin character but I gotta say, I don't like his/her look. I hope you can alter their look like you could with Robin. I always hated the default Robin because he looks like a young boy. I usually chose the version where he looks like a grown man and gave him a scar on his face.

@TheLastLugia: Any hint of female skin, any whiff of sexuality whatsoever is a "soft-porn feature," huh?

@Ralizah: well it wasn't added to enhance the gameplay experience, that's for sure.

I think this arguement has reached it's peak as I can foresee somone saying the soft-core dating waifu stuff is what made the series a big seller rather than the tried and tested gameplay and then around in a circle again.

Also still no UK release date!!!

I don't care about localization. Most of the time it is really subtle and doesn't detract from my enjoyment, in light to recent video game censorship. Can speak for all forms of media but yeah it doesn't really bother me in the slightest.

Very much looking forward to this one. Sadly I'll be just halfway through a work trip when my special Edition is delivered. The story sounds really interesting to me, and I love having that option to choose sides. Gives a good reason to go back again too. I'm excited to see Corrin in Smash Bros as well. Best part of that last direct for me.

Nor was ANY costume of any character in the game. It's added for variety of character appearance and personality. This just causes a red flag for you personally because you obviously have some prior issue with sexualisation. The thing you're not getting is that for those of us who DONT have an issue with it (including the artists and designers, I assume), this sort of thing needs no more justification than any of the other character costumes does. If someone went on a long rant about why on earth Kellam (and anyone in his class) is wearing such ridiculously large and impractical armour, that would about an equally important argument to have, in the eyes of those of us who aren't sexualisation-phobic:

I didn't ignore them at all. I was clear to point out that my position is predicated on there being a varied market (which there is) so that the people who hate that stuff can always find other things they like instead. Which they can. And if anything, the games industry is already massively designed with sex-phobic people in mind. Much more than books and films.

I can't really tell you how often Japanese media disinterests me due to the presence of fanservice. The presence of too much can ruin the entire product. If it can be avoided like Fates (the My Castle), then fine, but sometimes it can't be avoided.

If Japanese media was all that was available to us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy for that position. But western media hardly does this stuff at all nowadays. And Nintendo doesn't really do this stuff at all either. The types of media that do this sort of thing are already pretty tightly contained to a certain niche.
If Fire Emblem had forced some massive part of the game to rely on that weird stuff in the My Castle thing, then ok, I'll be on your side. That'd be annoying. But that hasn't happened. What's happened is that very minor things and completely optional things, have been getting removed.

Kellam is based on the typical General design. It's also ironic because no one notices him moving

Heads up to NA special edition preorders: Nintendo Everything is reporting that Gamestop is canceling orders of the special edition made after 11/18/15. I can't remember when I preordered mine but I suppose I'll find out soon enough...