Are you part of the 'Nintendo Generation'? To most video game fans — even Nintendo fanatics — that term tends to apply to people who first became obsessed with the company's 8- and 16-bit output in the late '80s to mid '90s. The 'Nintendo Generation', then, are fast approaching their 40s if they haven't hit that milestone already (making them 'Millennials' in generational parlance). However, for US Army Major Jon-Marc Thibodeau, the term apparently applies to today's 18-25-year-olds.
That's according to a bit of US Army PR put out recently (thanks, Vice) where, in a matter of words, the Major — "a clinical coordinator and chief of the medical readiness service line" — described Gen Z recruits as soft, tender morsels with mushy skeletal structures unprepared for rigours of army life thanks to an upbringing involving too many video games and too few outdoor activities:
"The "Nintendo Generation" soldier skeleton is not toughened by activity prior to arrival, so some of them break more easily."
Army Captain Lydia Blondin provided a little more context:
"We see injuries ranging from acute fractures and falls, to tears in the ACL, to muscle strains and stress fractures, with the overwhelming majority of injuries related to overuse."
To be fair, we think what Maj. Thibodeau is trying to say here is that the more sedentary lifestyle of the tech-driven modern era tends to produce youngsters who are less physically strong pound-for-pound than their counterparts from the good ol' days in the '50s when kids would play outside and temper themselves with a bit of rough-and-tumble on the farm and what have you (rather than spend four hours every afternoon racking up chicken dinners and victory royales in their bedrooms).
It's just a little comical to hear today's youth described as the 'Nintendo Generation', especially as Nintendo — of all the major video game firms — has probably done more over the past 15+ years to get people young and old off the sofa and moving than any other company. Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Wii U's GamePad, and more recently Switch games like ARMS, Ring Fit Adventure, Fitness Boxing, and the free-to-download Jump Rope Challenge — heck, even 1-2-Switch — encourage movement and a more active lifestyle to varying degrees, especially compared to the competition.
Ah, we can't get too perturbed by this instance of generational mislabelling — after all, it can be hard to keep up with all the fuzzy demographics and the exact temporal boundaries that separate them. And hey, Boomers made a comeback of sorts, didn't they? Perhaps it's time to recycle 'the Nintendo Generation' and rebrand all the Zoomers and Alphas playing Fortnite and Minecraft as 'N-Gen'.
Yeah, they'll love that.
[source dvidshub.net, via vice.com]
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Hahaha soldier boy can do one I go for a jog regularly and I have no intention of joining the Army at all.
I agree, Dry Bones and Stalfos are far too weak to put on the front lines.
... I feel attacked.
@Not_Soos HA! good one.
Has he not seen the amount of broken TV's from the Wii era?
We need more Fitness type games like K-1 games or Para Para Paradise or Dance Dance Revolution games.
I have you know I can do 20 push ups.
What?
Nooo, not all at once. Don't be unreasonable...
@Not_Soos ReDeads would be better.
Can the skeleton get stronger? I mean as long as you're taking in enough Vitamin D?
"Today's tech-obsessed skeletons fall apart after a single stomp or fireball, though to be fair they do somehow magically reconstitute themselves after five seconds".
I heard this recently from a old doctor, that the bone density is really decreasing with generations and that now, the bone density and skeletal resistance is very weak. I doubt gaming is the cause lol, but there is something about the way we live now that is making our bodies change.
It's funny because some people who actually belong to the Nintendo Generation have kids in their teens.
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Military brass using dumb and ill-understood civil labels in an attempt to make their point? NEVER.
deadlifts 200 kg
huh what i cant hear u over the sound of my spine almost breaking.
actually, covid ruined my lungs and the accidents at the factory gave me PTSD, but hey, i'm sure videogames can be blamed for that, too, somehow.
Cause no one ever had hobbles. Someone's hat is too tight orsaluted too hard too often
@Fizza The Wii Remote Plus would make a fine Lieutenant
Our skeletons might be soft but our grandparents fought tyranny so that we wouldn't have to know war and violence ever again.
Capt. Blondin and her generation haven't done a very good job keeping the world that way.
You mean manual tasks that involves using muscles actually makes you stronger?! GASP!
I bet if he looked at recruits from rural areas he would see a world of difference. It’s not the games and tech as much as what’s expected on a day to day basis. I work manual labor so I’m certain I’m a lot stronger and can take more punishment than someone who only does office work.
Now we know why the Soviet Union collapsed. Too much Dendy.
So you're telling me that after I spent my ENTIRE childhood playing NES games, and then immediately went into spending all my adult money on Nintendo merch... and I'M still not part of the Nintendo generation!?
That is some major BS. I'm just as physically deficient as your run of the mill Zoomer, and my bones are twice as brittle. And yet THEY get to be the Nintendo Generation?
Thats it. I'm officially boycotting the Army, and I will not be joining their ranks out of spite, thankyouverymuch.
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I'm guessing my problem with this take from the Major is that the actual problems aren't adressed, which are often structural or systemic. Our overall health is determined by so many factors that can't be boiled down to 'videogames'. I think access to healthcare affects our health much more, for example.
Great, now I've done a politics on the nintendo games comment section.
I'm surprised to see no mention of Advocado Toast cause this take is Boomer energy.
I believe they meant to say 'tears in the ACNL'.
@origamihero depends what you mean by 'access to healthcare'. medical error was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US - and those stats came in after the fact that no one covers each others backs more than doctors (and the police). When i was doing my postgrad studies, i shared a house with med students, and i realised then that the best and the brightest were definitely not being brought into the hospital systems. Nothing is more misplaced than our current idolisation of the medical system and its employees. At the same time i know some doctors and they are competent and professional - but they tell me how bad it really is with new people coming into the structures. If by access to healthcare you mean access to proper nutrition and well directed medical supplementation (vits D, B, and c, etc) then yes, that is essential. Our soils are heavily depleted, and nutrients in food is decreasing rapidly. Knowledge is most important.
Video games are a great hobby - and in todays world, for some, a career - but at the same time I think they can be extremely unhealthy. They have been for me.
I am from the Nintendo generation and when I was young, despite loving games, we spent 90% of our time outside. Games just weren’t engaging enough to keep you at the TV for hours, much less days on end.
In my 20’s the Dreamcast released, games like EverQuest became a reality, and that’s when I had a problem. Fortunately I caught myself and found a better balance, but I still feel like I lost five years of my life to depression and video games.
I do not envy kids these days. They may have better games and outwardly their lives may look “cushy” but I think it’s deceptive. It’s magnitudes harder today, and I had no place near the amount of stress or stuff to worry about that kids today do.
As it stands today? I haven’t had a chance (or really desire) to play a game since November. I still check the news; I still play those select games that release, but I’m much happier with games being a small corner of my life and not a lifestyle.
@smithyo i'm talking about decent access to, for example, diabetes meds, where you'd need one or two daily shots of insulin to get by. as in nordic healthcare models and so on. they've done way more good than bad overall.
I mean, I thank him for that, it made me laugh and it might stop some people from joining 'em and going to murder people in the ME.
@origamihero "Our overall health is determined by so many factors that can't be boiled down to 'videogames'"
Oh it can, it's the easy way out, like throwing all your toys in the closet, it works...temporarily.
@origamihero yes, price gouging by the pharma industries that is permitted by Governments is criminal
@Anti-Matter,
What we need is a Nintendo fitness game starring those two cops in your Avatar, I am pretty sure those two will lick you into shape in no time.
He is not wrong. I’m a OG Nintendo Generation at 42 years old. I played video games as my main hobby from a very early age, starting with Atari and then the big upgrade to NES. My hands and other muscles never developed in the same way that my athletic older brother and hands-on build-it-yourself younger brother did.
Now my 15 year old son is also a mega gamer and although he is 6’4”, he’s not going to make the football team any time soon.
This isn’t a complaint, or lamenting my life choices, but rather an observation that missing out on strengthening your body during the developmental years of your life will have lasting effects.
I think it's more likely to do with diet than it is inactivity. The food eaten in the US is often lacking in nutrition.
Quite right.
Draft the PC gamers instead.
The land mines you're sending our kids to go step on are gonna destroy those bones the same way regardless of strength, Sir Major Sir.
We should have been doing twenty push-ups after every Mario flag we made it to!
Also, wouldn’t this gen of kids be good with using guns at least?
I’d do fine in the army, I already know the weapon triangle!
I was in cadets. I’ll take video games any day. Particularly because I’m too old to draft for WWIII
You heard it here first, folks. Video games will end war!
When olds like me (34) want to feel strong "yeah, kids these days aren't strong enough to make it out here" (they are) lmao.
He's probably one of those people who would get upset if you told him women have higher pain tolerance than men. Shatter his tiny world view to smithereens.
The world is only going to further lean into empathy as the generations go on. Strong angry men are not as socially desirable as people who aren't sociopaths.
Confirmed, Nintendo generation soldiers are useless without Varia suit.
I turn 40 next month. I always thought I’d put grow video games. Instead, ds, Wii U and now switch have all allowed me to not just continue my gaming as I want with games like witcher 3 on the go, but countless hours of Mario, smash, Minecraft etc, with my kids, who are also getting their own switch’s and continuing nintendos legacy. I’ve had plenty of other consoles/pc as well, but I can’t sit at work on break and play dark souls with my son at home on ps can I? Switch is the best console I’ve held period
***And I do think it’s funny that “encouraging movement” is the authors idea of helping people get healthy.
Tough skeletons, people. Kids used to play rough. Coming home bruised and battered and covered in mud was just a normal summer day.
Often bloody, too.
Wii Sports is not a workout.
I could care less what this guy thinks. I hope more ppl pick up a controller then a weapon, honestly.
ok, few notes.
1) Gen Z are born between 1997 and 2012. They are the Playstation Generation.
2) Lack of activity is a society issue in general.
3) the US army can go F themselves, because they are only concerned with this because it affects their ability to maintain their industrial military complex. "We are sad that recruits come to us and break before we've had chance to use them up and break them ourselves, before dropping them off on the streets".
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@Xeacons
Looks like his comments hit home. And you’re ignorant remakes regarding a war where people are already suffering is self centered and pathetic.
You are the weakling of which he speaks.
Wouldn't a "soft and mushy" skeletal structure be less prone to breakage? I also didn't know one's skeleton could lose rigidity through lack of muscle use. Medical science today is quite a marvel, it seems.
@Richnj Ooohh, so that's what's wrong with Push!
@NEStalgia
Yes, bone density will diminish. Your skeleton is not supposed to be Gumby.
It seems from a lot of the comments, some people are not even on speaking terms with actual fitness.
I think this a bit of speculation by the military reps. I have a paid coaching job and I'm seeing major injuries to the 14-18 age range from kids who are non-stop with training/strength/agility.
@dkxcalibur
And your take is too anecdotal. Of course, as a paid coach, you’ll be interacting with kids highly motivated to participate in athletics.
While not perfect, the perspective of someone recruiting (hoovering up anyone willing) from the general population as a whole, will be more insightful.
You underestimate my power!
What he's saying makes sense to me, but the kids made it had to say the truth anymore.
Cool, I hope more kids play Nintendo and stay out of the military.
Youth is wasted on the young.
I feel really bad for some of you. As you age, it’s not going to be fun. Sitting on your ass all day and playing games is a life wasted.
@BlueMonk .....that was kind of the point. I was giving the other side of the perspective! The military reps, are being judgmental and saying that kids/younger adults have weak bones because they sit around and play video games. I'm adding to the discussion with a point of view familiar with the opposite side; and I'm still seeing lots of major injuries like breaks, tears, and joint damage. So I'm not sure how my original comment wasn't reliable or a good addition to the discussion.
But hey, thanks for adding nothing productive!
@BlueMonk Umm... isn't this a video game news site, you know for like people who want to waste their life playing video games?
@dkxcalibur
You missed the entire point of the word “anecdotal”.
@ArcticEcho
You can get angry about it, or you could take a good hard look.
But the day will come to pass when you’re looking back. May you, on that day, be satisfied.
During a pandemic, I think this "nintendo generation" bit is a cherrypicking just a little?
Yes, video games are why people/jobs have been replaced by computers/robots & outsourcing.🙃
An acquaintance in my anmiated avatar, he's in his 40s. Speak for yourself "nintendo generation" guy. I still ride, too. My bones are likely stronger than normal. Granted bikes have biased my point of view and who I encounter and befriend in life.
Again, all about balance and moderation.
If you spend all day in front of the TV, eating junk food and not moving around, of course you won't be as strong as someone who eats a nutritious meal and moves around.
However, blaming video games specifically for this is ridiculous. There are many who work and get this way because they sit at their desk and graze through lunch on coffee, soda and potato chips.
I play my Switch typically for about 30 minutes in the morning, then about 30 minute during my lunch break, and then 45 minutes to an hour at night. So about an hour and a half to 2 hours a day. I also workout, try to eat a healthy diet, do other things not related to video games that interest me and be supportive to my spouse. Again, balance and moderation.
Not only lack of activity, but also lack of good nutrition (primarily whole natural foods containing vitamins D3, K2 and A, in their natural state ), makes for weak health and bodies. You need both.
I played 3ds during breaks in the army and there are A LOT of breaks and wasted hours in the army. Seriously I've seen people go mad because they didn't know what to do and slept all day except the daily 5 hour exercises. Real army life is defined by inactivity
Well yeah they want to stay healthy man, they don't want to constantly use steroids, hog on energy drink, and be force to wake up early just to get yell at. I wouldn't worry though, they'll eventually find their place in life if destiny ever call for them.
@BlueMonk If so, that's interesting. Never heard of bone density being connected to fitness in anyway. As a concept, it doesn't even make sense.
So if no one goes to war anymore... Looks like peace is back on the menu! Let the politicians fight for their own agenda's instead of raising terrorist armies to send to kill or die. Maybe they should try settling their disputes over a game of Smash, and not force the results on everyone who is born within the same arbitrary borders drawn in blood.
That aside, yes, humans are weak. But Nintendo has nothing to do with that, and eating (like) baby cows is not going to change that, on the contrary, speaking from 2 decades of experience, after 1,5 decades of experience in indirectly sucking udders and killing babies.
@BlueMonk nah, I think you did.
If the UK ever have to rely on me in combat to protect it. They might as well face the fact they'll have lost.
He's not suggesting everyone that plays games are soft, just that since video games people are getting softer.
As a teacher (twenty-something) so not boomer energy, I can confirm every year kids are turning more and more into tablet and video game machines with little physical activity
It's like there's this huge gap between"parent pay for top level training and coaching" which makes the top level athletes better than ever, and the "my screen is a baby sitter" kids that are softer than my pillow
@BlueMonk
Yes what a waste of time, as opposed to going to some foreign country halfway across the world, getting PTSD, or dying just so billion dollar oil companies can get richer.
Logging back in just to say this is stupid as heck. I'd face a firing squad before I'd fight for a flag. Nationalism is cancer. Just look at basically all of history. It's a tool of the elite to make the masses kill each other.
America is no better than Russia in that regard.
Make war virtual and we'll be your best soldiers
@RadioHedgeFund 'We wouldn't have to know war and violence ever again'?! Man, you've lived a sheltered life. War never went away! Western cultures have had it pretty easy since WW2 but the threat of war has always been very real. We're a species that has thrived on aggression and violence. It's in our DNA.
@RubyCarbuncle Thanks, I'll be here all week. 😉
(Seriously. I check NL every day. I'll be here all week.)
@smithyo Probably the decrease in daily physical labor and the increase in sedentary jobs over the last 100 years or so.
Can’t call it the PSX or XBOX Gen. All those popular war FPS games like Call of Duty are on there.
The old generation is always complaining how weak and useless the new generation is and it will probably be the same when we are old too. It’s natural to have fears/feel threatened of younger people when you are old and that is what Mr. Thibodeau is projecting.
@RubyCarbuncle The way things are going you might not have to join willingly.
@BlueMonk I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about the tendency of people like you to have a superiority complex on a site you would likely only be on because you share that hobby. You're basically saying, "I'm a gamer, but not like you losers, lol." It's like on Anime sites, where someone calls someone a weeaboo. It's a weeaboo site, everybody there is weeaboo. It makes no sense.
I’m a gamer. I mean, here I am on NintendoLife obviously. I get overly critical of myself when I put too much time behind a screen. I know I could have better motor skills if I was away from some of this stuff, and if I played less as a kid. I love video games, but too much of a good thing or a fun thing is bad. When I was in the Air Force, I came across this one dude who couldn’t even tie a sandbag. Theres more I could say about him, but it isn’t NintendoLife friendly. I don’t know how he got through basic training, and the idea of him working on aircraft that carried human lives on it was a bit worrying. If you’re going to pursue a military career, and lifestyle, you gotta get off the couch, and not only physically be in gear, but mentally prepared for lots of changes. From observation, most non-gaming people I served with (not all, obviously,) were harder workers and cared more about physical fitness and progressing in their careers. More people with gaming/nerd habits went through the motions, or failed PT tests, or were unhappy. This is based on my personal life experience and what I observed. Not saying gaming is the Devil and it makes people weak, some people can balance it, but there is maybe a lifestyle thing going on that certainly affects that transition into military culture.
@jello64 Oh no I won't join full stop and I'm not exactly in the best of health either considering the fact I caught Covid twice so I wouldn't make the best soldier. I'm feeling better than what I was but I'm still not 100% over it. Plus I have epilepsy and poor eyesight too which is a no no as far as joining the Army goes.
Ireland is a military neutral country btw. Just a FYI.
Not everyone has interest in a military career anyway. And no one should ever get dragged into it.
@Not_Soos Haha!
@kupocake So you're saying they want the Konami kids.
Skeletal density / mass is a function of generation diet. Not a whole lot you can do in your lifetime to change the bones you are born with.
Dramatic changes in diet could lead to a "weaker" skeleton ... over like 10 to 15 generations. A zero G environment would be the quickest way to do it, and while we don't know for sure ... data suggest it will still take 2-3 generations.
It's terrifying we give these people weapons.
@BlueMonk I've found with open, large-scale games that the size creates a problem, at least for me. Yes, open worlds with lots of freedom and things to do seems impressive, but I always fund that overwhelming. What I found is that in those game, it feels like it takes a long time to feel some sense of satisfaction. A session of a few hours in such a game would feel like I accomplished little and extracted a small amount of enjoyment. If I play old games like what I played when I was young, a shorter session leaves me feeling a greater sense of enjoyment and satisfaction. Once I realized this, I've mostly avoided such games. MMOs being even more open ended seem like they would be even worse for me.
@TryToBeHopeful yes the skeleton can get both stronger and weaker. You have lots of types of cells but for this we have osteoclasts and osteoblasts.
These 2 cell types respond to changes in stress across our bones. The osteoclasts will break bone down in response to less stress and the osteoblasts will build bone in response to increased stress.
A good example is an astronaut. When they return from a long period in space they will often have develop what is called disuse osteopenia due to the fact that without gravity there is not significant stress on the bones. They tend to need a lot of physical therapy to recover and return to baseline
@RubyCarbuncle Life isn’t easy that’s for sure, wishing you the best. Hope this year will be better for all of us. Take care.
I've been into fitness and I've come across information before that exercise can strengthen bones. That's no surprise to me today. The body adapts to everything. Yes, the primary adaptation will be to the muscles, but they attach to the bone so that needs to strengthen too along with tendons. It's really quite fascinating. As for the army stuff, society has changed in recent decades, so perhaps old assumptions need to change and the way the military operates should change with it. That is leaving out how it's used and that can of worms.
At some point in his life, Major Thibodeau volunteered to serve my country. For that I thank him. However, with one simple comment, he's not only issuing a blanket statement about folks who play video games, he's insulting his fellow servicemen and women. They volunteered like he did. They're the folks he's complaining about--folks serving alongside him. That speaks poorly of Major Thibodeau's character and makes him sound like he's blaming volunteers--volunteers!--for not being medically fit to serve. It's the major's job to get folks ready. He's complaining that he has to do his job?
I bet they love the Xbox users, numb to death and probably joined to be similar to their games, wait.
Why are they complaining if they are getting recruits? are they too lazy to train properly?
I enjoy kicking back on the couch and playing some VGs as much as anyone here I'm sure, but it's always more satisfying when I've spent the day out on my bike, or otherwise being active in some capacity. It's all about balance.
Please, I’m the REAL Nintendo generation. Yeah we played a lot of games but my generation still played outside a ton. The kids he’s talking about are the AppStore generation, and I refuse to be conflated with them.
Then again, my brother in law is that age group and he just completed like six years with the Marines, sooo.
Telling how he doesn't call them the "Xbox generation". Of course they should all buy and play America's Army: Proving Grounds available on Xbox360 and PC
They are not wrong even if some people here find the tone “insulting” which is par the course for military lifestyle. Military people insult each other casually all the time which may sound alien to people that have more fragile egos.
Modern generation that largely stays at home living a unhealthy lifestyle playing videogames as a teenager and then decides to do something very physical orientated like the armed services after high school because they want the GI BILL is gonna give their body a rude awakening compared to previous generations where young people would go out more/do labor intensive activities more often in free time.
That is usually the tradeoff when luxury technology [yes that is what videogames officially fall under since it’s purely for entertainment] has advanced to a point where things are more convenient now to minimize physical interactions. People ARE more fragile now in more ways then one
Oh no, I won't be able to commit war crimes for oil corporations as efficiently as previous generations, what a shame!
@KirbysAdventure very edgy comment.
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I mean he isn’t wrong.
i don't know about you guys but this is really motivating me to die for oil
@jello64 Thanks for your kind words. You take care too.
@noobish_hat I'm not certain, but I do think that exercise, or using your body helps to strengthen your bones; that is that things like jumping or running is kind of "exercising" your skeleton to make it stronger... But I'm not certain about how that all works.
From all of the gamers I know, I'm pretty sure it would be more accurate to say the PlayStation generation, not the Nintendo Generation. Furthermore, for all I know he's just another treasonweasel like a certain loudmouth retired General that shouldn't be a free man right now.
My girlfriend's husband fights for your freedom.
@Dopey3332 @TryToBeHopeful
While not wrong, this isn't complete accurate when you consider the statement "gamers have weaker bones"
In space, you'll lose around 1% of you bone mass a month because they face no resistance at all in near zero-G, so that is a real problem in regards to space flight.
On earth it's a bit different. You can make your bones stronger with use to a limited amount, but even if you're not active you're still fighting gravity 24/7 so there is a limit in how much weaker then a baseline you can get. It's pretty small, and you can correct for it relatively quickly. People coming out of 20 year commas see less bone loss then you would see after a month in space and have stronger bones then people with genetic bone density problems (although they face massive muscle atrophy).
This guy is taking about something much closer to generational bone loss, the idea that a gamers bones are just "bad" and can never be as strong as "better" generations that came before. This is nonsense, and implies there is some kind of "magic" that makes sitting down and playing video games worse then sitting in a car for an hours a day to sit at a desk for 8 hours to come home and sit in front of a TV ... a pretty common lifestyle for the last 60 years.
They just don't stop playin with their Nintendos and cellular phones!!
Big news: Soldiers, Sailors and Air Force Personnel (like professional athletes, and basically everyone) all like to game.
Brittle bones? But I always drink plenty of malk.
Boomers: "Why don't kids play outside anymore?"
The outside the built: Roads, roads, more roads.
@HeadPirate agreed. The idea of generational bone loss is ludicrous. This feels like one of those "everything was better in my generation" things.
Personally, I'm proud to be part of the Oregon Trail Generation. Also, I'm probably in the best shape I've been in for at least the latter half of my life because working with children has taught me that if I don't take care of my body then the children will destroy me.
The military is still desperate for recruits. My fat cousin still made it in.
this is ridiculous, i exercise with my sister every day and have a healthy life
I get brain cramps when I listen to military dudes, so I guess that part of my body still works fine.
Where nintendo generation lacks in skeleton they more than make up for in spells curses and terrorism. Im surprised godzilla is still alive.
@Samo_Gallego hahah hell is optimised to prey on the technological illiterate. I dare those golems to cross my odin line.
Not enough strong skeletons in the US army? A good necromancer will sort them out.
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