Team17 Is Jumping On The NFT Train With 'MetaWorms'

Think I’d rather have worms than NFTs.

Thanks for making it easy to never support your games again.

Not Team17 too ! 😰

I can't claim to have followed much of the NFT hoohah, but they just seem like another way to rinse the mtx/DLC-whales of as much money as possible. And will likely just go the same way as mtx...? Most people will ignore them and they'll become a past fad/whale fodder niche in a couple of years.

Like, I'll boot up a Team17 game and it will say "Would you like to buy some our NFT artwork featuring the characters from this game?", to which I will answer "No" and get on with the game. And if such questions become intrusive I'll just avoid their products. It should be as straight-forward as that, shouldn't it?

Ah well, another developer removed from my purchase list

To be honest for me the environmental impact still does not change the point of NFTs being complete money grabs by gaming companies.

Next company for my blacklist with UBI already already on it (and EA but for different reasons).
Who wants to be next?

But they have no real value or purpose, why would I want them?!

I honestly don’t care. As long as they make good games, they can do whatever the hell they want. It’s a free world.

Even putting the shady practices and environmental issues aside, why the heck do all NFT "art" look like absolute trash? The randomly generated avatars look randomly generated in the worst way possible.

Do people really think these "generative art collections" look cool or are they embracing the laziness and absolute lack of care and consideration in their designs? I have no idea. There's the joke about screenshotting NFTs but most often why would you even want to?

Is pressing "random" on a character creation screen considered making art?

Purestrain cringe

Okay.
So what Team 17 is telling me me, is that i should never buy their new games ever.

Why are publishers so obsessed with NFT when it isn't even working properly, and won't work in near future either?

The events of the past 2 years, everything combined, from the covid craze to the digitalization of every aspect of our lives, to dev studios dumpin on their employees AND customers and journalism losing every bit of credibility it's easier than ever to turn your back and say "funk it, I'll be sitting on my swing in the forest". In a way I am grateful for so many institutions and individuals showing their ugly faces, if I'd be religious, I'd be thinking we're living through the apocalypse, the unveiling of hidden things and true meanings.

TLDR: Go shove your NFTs.

@BadBoyBule
The whole thing is a high speed collision between GameStop stock bros, lootcrates, the ugliest art you’ve ever seen and people that don’t get that that the metaverses in fiction that they cargocult are almost always portrayed as dystopian hells.

and with that, I will no longer support any Team17 release.

Can't believe developers keep jumping into NFTs when there's already such a massive backlash to them. It's like, hey, there's a club everyone hates! Let's join that club everyone hates!

So weird.

Pity, i have always loved worms and have never been let down with any of their games i have bought but i am no longer supporting them again after this bull

No.one is safe it seems

@gcunit pretty much. I don't care for NFTs and I don't care for MTX, and I have never found myself shotgunned to engage the latter, so I expect the former to go equally high over my head. And sorry for not jumping on the "environmental impact" bandwagon whose riders would do well to apply their keyboard warfare in more egregious cases first. How ecofriendly is the production of all the plastic and other materials in our Switches, and how many of us avoided taxing the ecology by personally passing up on a Switch purchase? Eeeeyup.

@Ventilator "Why are publishers so obsessed with NFT when it isn't even working properly, and won't work in near future either?"

Cloud gaming: "First time?"

Seems a bit over the top to remove my comment but I'll write it again without the "childish" part if that's better for you guys.

Most people here are "flaming/arguing" both the company and people who are into the NFT scene by saying "**** these guys and shove their NFTs". So I responded to that.

Here's the watered down version:

Nobody cares if you want to boycott a company for unjust reasons. You don't need to tell everyone.

Why on earth do companies keep doing this? Was there some kind of huge-scale ransomware attack? The Arrested Development '... but it might work for us' scene embodied.

I might be in the minority here but I think NFTs are a quite interesting development. Ages ago I thought about the possibity to actually have unique things in the digital world. I mean I don't necessarily know for what this could actually be good, but if we would just put all the capitalistic consume genozide aside, its still a sorta interesting thing to have and I'm supercurious what people are gonna do with this in the future.

I really don't think its an EVIL thing, I do agree though that the ones to jump onto that train as quickest as possible obviously have nothing but quick bucks in mind. But I can imagine that this tech will sooner or later go beyond that, once all the cashcrabbing idiots diminished each other into irrelevance.

Prepare the Holy Hand Grenades.

Edit: Nvm they good

@kupocake Look into why they are doing this rather than further spreading the hate and making it out to be some terrible awful thing.

Fans: 'Thank god none of my decades old, adored IP's are jumping on this nonsense NFT scam.'

Wormed Devs: 'We love money!'

people jump on the band wagon even though its stupid because it evidently can make a lot of money I won't consider this a thing until Nintendo jump aboard. then I will lose all faith in humanity.

@NightBeast
+1
I know that NFTs are nonsense and easy money for sellers, but for the moment, and apparently, it doesn't even affect video games, it doesn't support sellers' reputation and it's a huge waste of money for those who buy those things that can be obtained for free somewhere; so as you mention, as long as these companies make good games as they should still be, there is nothing to worry about, unless you worry about the unwary people who buy the NFTs and those who follow the tendency.

@Krysus What makes you think NFTs are a scam?

What's the point of a new Worms game though? Talk about flogging a dead horse.

I don't like NFTs but I wouldn't boycott a studio because of them. You can support devs and IPs without supporting NFTs.

@RupeeClock yah, i kinda get the feeling nfts was something you wish you had when it was first offered to you 30 years ago.

@Scapetti

I was wondering when the usual cryptobro would emerge, telling people to "look it up" without any further elaboration.

Just be honest - you don't actually know what you've bought yourself, do you? You've gotten yourself wrapped up in this scheme and are trying to convince not others, but yourself, that you haven't been scammed. Others comments itch at your self doubt, and so you tell others to "look it up" knowing that if you did the same you'd realize you've been had.

I don't see the issue.

If they want to sell NFTs on a website, go for it. Makes no difference to me.

As long as it's not incorporated into their games, why would I care?

@BadBoyBule People have seen stuff like Bored Apes go for millions and think they can get in on that kind of money if they get one. Anyone who asserts that they’ve bought one for the art is talking absolute crap, they’re buying them to flip when their value rises high enough. Surely the pool of idiots who will pay more than a cent for them will run dry soon and we can move on from all of this nonsense but there are a lot of idiots around

For shame. With this, they no longer deserve to be able to use the likeness of the Holy Hand Grenade. Remove it.

@BLD I don't own any NFTs. I'm just encouraging people to do research rather than hate on things for no apparent reason. This isn't about me

@Scapetti

Inventing a product that doesn't exist and wasn't asked for and then assigning a value to it, serves no purpose or meaningful use. The ONLY people decrying how amazing NFT's are, are those trying to make money off them. But then I'm a cynic when it comes to modern economics.

There's a lady selling NFT Farts, in a sealed jar. Pretty much the perfect definition of an NFT's usefulness.

I remember in the mid-90s when I enjoyed playing Worms. Had a few of the recent ones free via PS+, and the magic just isn't there for me any more.

@Krysus I'm neither saying they're amazing nor am I saying they're a scam. They are just what they are. Not everything has to be so black and white. It's not "life changing technology" versus "total piece of **** scam".

This is what gets me, the extreme views, on EITHER side. There is nothing wrong with NFTs as a concept and I believe they can have some real use cases. People will buy NFTs of things they support. They won't for things they don't. So yeah there are people selling monkey avatars. But are they actually selling? Compare to Banksy selling an NFT. An actual artist. Again, you don't have to support them. But I'm glad some people out there are supporting artists.

Anyone can sell an NFT. Just like anyone can sell physical artwork. It's simply a means of distribution.

Genuine question. Is there a difference between the blockchain that impacts the environment and the servers used to connect my bank account and credit card balances worldwide?

@OFFICIALMichi Doubtful and there are plenty of popular blockchain technologies that are not nearly as bad for the environment. Cardano is a good one.

Buying an NFT is like buying a digital receipt. Or buying a hyperlink. You don't own anything useful. It's a scam.
If you have money but don't know what to buy why not buy 1000 trees? Or donate to a soup kitchen?

@OFFICIALMichi

Yes, very much.

In simple terms, the blockchain doesn't have a centralized server, like your bank has. Instead, cryptocurrency is based on a series of very, very complex equations. When one computer solves the equation, other computers on the network check its work. Think of a class full of students, all solving the same equation.

So, why is this bad? Well, simply put, it's a terribly wasteful way of distributing currency. All the computers are racing to solve the problem first and claim that crypto. A million students all solving a equation is a great way to teach them, but a terribly inefficient waste of most of their time if you only want to get the answer

This in turn leads to people buying farms of computers to solve the blockchain and "mine" cryptocurrency. The end result is, a virtual currency that's advertised as being revolutionary and independent from the material world, is dependent on how much "traditional" money one has. Which defeats the point.

To anyone who has the time, I recommend looking up "Line goes up" by Folding Ideas on YouTube. Not a huge fan of the guy, but even if you're like me, I think you'll find his video on NFTs and crypto informative.

@Scapetti Ehh I didn't really express an opinion either way on NFTs, it's just been clear that NFT-based ventures are a PR disaster for months, so it's perplexing to see new faces jumping on the bandwagon.

@kupocake I simply meant because you compared the adoption of NFTs to a "huge-scale ransomware attack". And also because you just referred to it as a bandwagon which I believe has negative connotations also. You may not have intended to express an opinion but it came across that way.

So am I right in thinking your opinion is that NFTs are bad because they get hated upon?

@The_BAAD_Man
Exactly, boycott is very exaggerated (and nonsense), because for the moment, NFSs don't affect videogames development, only affect reputation and money of those who are involved, but nothing else.

@SakuraHaruka Boycotting is bigger than NFTs at the moment. Boycott Warner Bros for destroying the Snyderverse. Boycott the Sonic the Hedgehog movie for making Sonic's eyes too small. Boycott Spotify for allowing someone to make a podcast about whether young people need the covid vaccine... Boycott Chris Pratt for... (I don't even know what the reason is for this one).

All a bit crazy

@Scapetti I'm offering ransomware as an explanation for why so many businesses are suddenly, without visible evidence of actual demand, engaging in a business practice that seems to the majority of people to be entirely self-sabotaging. It's like "why would anyone do this, unless someone had some dirt on them?"

I won't pretend for a second that I've "done the research" on the subject to the degree required by any anonymous comment combatant, but I'm time-poor for finding more out about things that only the worst people seem to be advocating for.

@kupocake what worst people? Grimes? Cara Delevingne? Tony Hawk? William Shatner? Kings of Leon?

Do you know something about these people that I don't? I mean if it were names like Harvey Weinstein and Donald Trump it would be a different story.

(Genuinely asking if there are things I don't know about these celebrities)

@kupocake I'm not an anonymous combatant, I just don't know how to add a profile picture on here

@OFFICIALMichi Long story short, the bank account servers can do many more transactions with the same amount of energy that one block-chain can do.

@Krysus Like the update says, the ones making the games have tried to push back on the idea, only for the big wigs to do it anyways. Seen this before with Neopets. Killing the brand just for a quick few bucks.

@Scollurio

I agree. These past two years have really hindered my enjoyment of this hobby.

As of now, I've just been working on my backlog of games...finally.

I'm thinking of just going on a media blackout this year. It's seems everything I read about anything is just depressing, anger inducing cr@p!

Ugh.

Everybody's doing a "brand new thing" now.
It's easier than doing something eeemm....

So come on, come on
Do the loco-motion with me
You gotta swing your hips now..

We do know how it goes from here, don't we?

Outside my house, I have a yard. That yard has been unkempt before my arrival. It's is 60%dead and dry. It is also 14 degrees outside Fahrenheit. It is also icy from a previous storm, and it's windy.

NFTs make the idea of going out there and touching that grass seem like heaven.

This officially adds Team17 to my dislike Devs list

And I thought crafting in Worms WMD was a bad example of trend chasing.

@Scapetti because apparently he’s apart of a church group that has anti-LGBTQ beliefs. Even though the Bible says that you still have to treat people nice even if they don’t agree with your beliefs. It’s as dumb as it’s sounds. 😑

adios team seven, I will miss ya. ):

@Greatluigi who?

@Scapetti Chris Pratt you said you don’t know what he was being boycotted so I thought I let you know.

@Greatluigi ahh thanks, I listed a lot of names haha

@JaxonH You just wait. Soon they'll all incorporate it into their games. This here is just the first step.

@Scapetti NFTs are the very definition of a scam. I recommend you and everyone to watch this video: https://youtu.be/YQ_xWvX1n9g

@BTB20 honestly, the constant sharing of that link is seeming like more of a scam itself

@Scapetti The hell do you mean? Did you even click on it? The video tells you everything about NFTs you need to know.
It seems like you tell people to "look it up", but don't want to do it yourself.

@BTB20 I've clicked on it about ten times because people keep sharing it. I'm just going to copy and paste here what I said to the last person who shared it because exactly the same applies here...

"I'm not going to watch some person's two hour opinion. If you want more people to know why NFTs are a bad thing then share the knowledge in a succinct manner. If it is the environment argument then there are blockchain technologies out there like Cardano that make this a non issue. And saying digital items have a worse carbon footprint than physical objects is completely irrational to me. I think people should look into the mass production of plastic physical collectibles and how bad they are, because I guarantee it is FAR worse"

@Scapetti Do you really think a two hour video only talks about environmental issues with NFT? You're simply too ignorant, I'm putting you on ignore.

@BTB20 no one's actually said what it's about. Almost as if no one sharing it has bothered to watch the two hours themselves. And you're sharing it with people who are not knowledgable so they will eat up anything this guy says. You can't rely on one person's opinion for information. Yes someone can do the research for you and make a video but you have no idea what his agenda is. People should find information from a variety of sources. Not simply one video with a heck of a lot of views. If a Justin Bieber song claimed the world was flat it wouldn't make it true

Any company that supports and sells NFTs are going on my blacklist. I won't buy a single game from them until they drop the NFT scam.

The list so far is:
Ubisoft (never bought any of their games to begin with)
Konami (they don't even make games anymore, so that's easy)
Sega (if they go through with their plans.)
Square-Enix (Shame, but their old games are better anyways)
EA (no loss whatsoever. The last EA game I purchased was for the PS2)

That's what I know so far

@Dingelhopper perhaps it's not a scam with that many companies involved? Just a thought...

They better listen to their staff.

Team 17, because you are Brits and I know you are reading this, please stop being desperate and release some actual worthwhile games for a change.

@Scapetti Be careful of stopping at "just a thought." It's far better to think critically.

A bunch of companies being involved doesn't mean it's not a scam. That just means multiple private groups see a money-making opportunity. It's important to ask what that opportunity means for the consumer. If there's no substantial benefit to the consumer-end... it's likely a scam.

@Dingelhopper and to all: and if all video game companies joined the NFT, would you sacrifice your entertainment for video games and your favorite franchises for something that at the moment does not affect video game development and from what I see, nor you economically?
Really?

Edit:
Well, it's your decision, but, I personally, I don't see it as a big deal, yes, it's nonsense and something unnecessary, but I repeat, it makes a mess to develop and play video games? Is it worse than loot boxes/gatcha? I didn't even know about NFTs until I saw all those Recent reports, however, and I repeat, I have not seen a harm, for me, to enjoy video games.

@DTFaux it would benefit me to be able to sell digital content as I would be able to make money back on digital purchases. Like being able to sell physical collectors items like amiibo etc. it depends if the NFTs have value to the consumer. If you don't think artwork has value you don't need to buy it. But NFTs have a lot of use cases and we're just scratching the surface. Artwork is just the simplest to understand right now. But you could buy for example the master file of a movie. Like owning the original print. That's crazy for collectors and would definitely be something sought after. It's just digital collecting. If you don't see the value in collecting pogs or bottle caps then that's fine. But some people enjoy it

@SakuraHaruka But who's to say it wont eventually affect those other aspects? When NFTs are generally solutions in search of problems, who's to say they wont be used as an excuse to "fix" other problems?

Just the other day, Ubisoft was trying to justify their use under the guise of a digital marketplace. But that can already be done without NFTs.

@DTFaux

yes, something that generates income in an unpleasant way can be counterproductive, however, in video games, I don't see NFTs worse than loot boxes, or worse, "always online games", the latter are literally examples of games that once their life time ends, they will be unplayable forever, in short, games that will not be yours even if you have spent huge sums of money, this is already handled even in games that someone has paid $60, so this is more horrible than a NFT

@DTFaux the difference is that each copy can be signed as unique.

@Scapetti If it's about re-selling your digital purchases, a digital marketplace that keeps track of your account's purchases and sales could do that easily, and without NFTs. If it's about collecting "a digital version of amiibo", that, ironically, requires a centralized entity to create that value (like Steam and their trading cards), and still wouldn't need NFTs.

Also, saying "Artwork is the simplest to understand" (really patronizing to us artists btw) kinda ignores the fact that 1) Most artists aren't seeing a return on investment trying to get in on NFTs, 2) Has only resulted in a new wave of art theft, and 3) Hasn't created much value on any art that wasn't sold on the initial novelty/investment of NFTs.

As NFTs for art are just digital receipts saying "X paid for this!", that more assigns their value to the purchaser, not the product that was purchased. If the product can be infinitely purchased... where's the value?

"NFTs have a lot of use cases, and we're just scratching the surface," is not a satisfying response to people asking why they should care right now. If there's only investment incentive, but no practical use that isn't made redundant by other means, that's a scam.

@SakuraHaruka That's just whataboutism, though. Sure, there's things worse than NFTs, just as getting punched is worse than getting slapped... But why do we have to put up with getting slapped at all?

Ironically, those worse examples make the case for consumers to be wary of companies going on this gold rush. Those same groups tried to convince us that DLC, DRMs, loot boxes, "Games as a service", etc. were explicitly for our benefit. So why are NFTs suddenly the one area where they deserve the benefit of the doubt?

@SakuraHaruka Yes.

Mostly because I'm fed up with the modern industry as a whole and I personally feel the standard for quality games is really low. I barely play new games in general and there's only a few select companies left that I actually care about. Most of the companies I used to like have fallen from grace and let me down. Nintendo is one of the very few devs I still enjoy and I don't see them getting into NFTs at all. That's not their image.

I still have all of my old games that I still love (more than any modern games I might add), so I don't feel like I'm even missing anything. For example: Final Fantasy, one of my favourite series of all time, hasn't been good since FFX. Square has basically become a publisher for American games anyways so I'm OK with not purchasing anything from them. Plus, they give the Epic Game Store PC exclusivity which is a whole other matter that bothers me.

I still enjoy video games. I have a massive backlog of classic games that I've never beaten that I'm stoked about finally playing. A lot of modern games are half-baked and rushed and NFTs are the icing on the cake. I'm more than happy to not purchase any new games that come from a company pushing NFTs. I don't feel like I'm missing out on any quality titles by doing so.

@BLD thank you for the thorough information! I truly appreciate it.

@NightBeast You know, at least the NFT bros have an angle, they have a deeper reason for the things they say and do even if that reason is reprehensible.

People like you though? You don't care what shady activities companies get up to, legal or illegal, as long as you get your shiny toy. Your willing ignorance and enabling of issues in the video game industry is arguably more of a problem than the people pushing this NFT garbage.

@Zebetite yep. And my ignorance is bliss. As is yours, since you clearly have no understanding of the supply-side economics. Since there is a demand for NFTs, companies will offer them. So there is a simple solution to the problem, which doesn’t include lots of typing and blaming - don’t buy it. Lower the demand. Quite simple actually. You can still buy your shiny toys though - thus way you will show the supplier your real demand. Cheers, mate.

@DTFaux
"But why do we have to put up with being slapped?"
Ok, I tell you this example concept, imagine a person trying to open the door of a car without keys everyone who sees him will think that he is a thief very obviously, however, if that person is the owner who lost the keys and who is in a hurry that a locksmith cannot wait, what do you think is the scenario with what I quote you?, that "someone or someones" will hurt that person because they are fed up with crime that they do not ask first if he/she is or is not the owner of the car.

I know that we should be prudent, and take caution, but it is not necessary to "start a fight", because then we would be the one who loses the conflict.

Now, as I have mentioned several times, I am not in favor of NFTs, I consider them somewhat ridiculous, abusive attitude on the part of the seller and careless attitude on the part of the buyer, but what about us? This problem is only a matter of those 2 parties , and something so silly that the truth is, I don't see a future for it, but as always, the internet and unnecessary attention gives publicity to NFTs, plain and simple. For example, if a company tries to sell me an image like NFT, and offers me "even with flowers" the good thing about having it (like Ubisoft, well, not like that, XD ), I would reject it, it doesn't make sense to pay a lot for an image and that I can save it on my device for free, seriously, and with the comments we see, how many people would fall into that trap? Very, very few, and to the sellers, they would obviously look quite abusive and their reputation would not help them.
As simple and silly as this NFT thing is, it's not worth losing your mind over this trend.

Now, what would happen if by any chance, that would affect playing video games? Easy, at that moment, well yes, I would give my feedback and reject playing something that is no longer worth it, but in the meantime, I will not lose my peace of mind and my passion for video games because of this trend that is worth nothing, nor should we publicize it and better let it be forgotten, but, well, that's my opinion and from my part, I don't worry about that silly trend.

I'm getting tired of having to open Steam and click on "Ignore this creator", but whatever. I'm not supporting this nonsense.

@SakuraHaruka I see where you're coming from, but "ignoring the problem" doesnt always mean it eventually goes away. There is such a thing as "The Paradox of Tolerance": Where acceptance (or indifference) towards something dubious, just because it doesnt negatively and directly affect you personally, tends to lead things to a point where by the time it finally does, it's too late to do anything about it. That's where we're at with the state of mobile gaming (F2P models, premium currency, loot boxes, low-effort games, etc.). And DLC isnt anyworse thanks to people "losing their minds" over how EA handled that Star Wars Battlefront game.

The reality is that you're predicting this NFT arms race to be a passing fad, so it's not worth worrying about... but this ignores how there is a precedent of big players putting their hands on the scale to get their way.

If there is a future for crypto and NFTs, it sure would be nice if these companies could figure a lot of it out first, rather than shout into the ether trying to sell us on a promise. If you want to abstain from the discourse, by all means. But dont be that person who thinks everyone else is crazy for caring.

@DTFaux
Do you think I'm careless or that I'm not interested in this? It's not that, I just don't give it the great importance that others give it, I'm not pressing the panic button to affect my love of video games.
I know what this is, and I know the problems of other things you mention, but I can't be living in "dramas" for something that "for the moment" is nonsense and for me, I don't see it as a problem, yes, NFTs are nonsense and abuse, but not harmful (at the moment) to many of us.
I will not stop playing games from companies that support this nonsense, if it does not affect my economy and my fun, for example, if team 17 released a new game, and there is no negative from NFT and the game is good, why act like others here and say that I won't buy anything because they supporting the NFT? If don't affects me, why deprive me of playing something I want? That's what I mean by "drama".
I understand the situation and, sometimes, constantly inform me, but I don't see the NFTs as the new monster that affects as the loot boxes, I see it as something temporary.

However, as I (and you) mentioned in the previous post, new business models can be counterproductive, and I would really, really like that if anyone knows (without panicking, be objective, not be someone who says they are a danger just because yes), as NFTs can affect me ""currently"" and in the future to enjoy playing video games, it is welcome and I am willing to understand this a little more.

@SakuraHaruka I think you're misconstruing what "drama" is. Like, I'm not even saying to boycott. Whether you do or don't is all up to your own personal choice. I'm more taking the stance that we should voice our disapproval and wariness early on, because as far as corporate greed goes, silence (and, especially profit) equals approval to a lot of these guys.

And there's already been countless people out there who've calmly and non-dramatically explained why NFTs aren't great for the current moment or the long term (if they gain a foothold). But if you're asking in good faith for someone who can "objectively" explain to you this whole rigamarole, here's a guy who pretty much covers every part of it, including how it may even affect gaming in the future: https://youtu.be/YQ_xWvX1n9g

@DTFaux
"I'm more taking the stance that we should voice our disapproval and wariness early on..."

This, +1, it's better that we give them a "feedback" (respectfully and direct, ah, and constantly!) and that they understand that things as NFT are not great and really, in a future, will hurt the videogames, the entertainment for all and their reputation (and of course, its economy).

And Thanks for the link, i will check this.

@BTB20 He keeps getting the link shared to him by people honestly trying to educate him on the complaints against NFTs and he's absolutely refusing to even try to understand it. But given responses like this

"It's just digital collecting"

I think he just doesn't care, he has a plan to get rich off of the artificial scarcity of otherwise freely and easily replicated digital items, and no one is going to stop him on his digital MLM enterprise.