The ongoing COVID-19 pandemic has changed the lives of millions of people all over the world in a variety of ways. Some of us have had to put up with the relatively mild inconvenience of stores being shut and schools closing, while others have seen loved ones succumb to the virus – or have even tragically lost their lives themselves.
While a global lockdown resulted in bumper sales for many video game companies – including Nintendo – it's given others the chance to make a quick buck, too. Take 16-year-old Max Hayden, for example; by flipping games consoles, Pokémon trading cards and other 'luxury' items, he pulled in $1.7 million in revenue, making $110,000 in profit.
Hayden focused his attention on goods that were in high demand during the pandemic, such as patio heaters and gaming systems, including the PS5 and Xbox Series X. He has sold 'dozens' of the latter items for as much as $1,100 each, double the typical ticket price. He's hoping to have just as good a year in 2021, once again targeting items that are in short supply and high demand.
Resellers are one of the biggest issues in the world of gaming right now, with 'scalpers' snapping up rare items with the sole intention of selling them for a healthy profit. However, The Wall Street Journal has produced a glowing report on Hayden (thanks to Kotaku for bringing this to our attention), praising his savvy nature when it comes to turning a profit.
Despite the praise, this passage from WSJ's report sums up exactly what's wrong with resellers in general:
Reselling nonessential goods in most cases is legal, though retailers generally frown upon it as it can create friction with consumers. Hate mail and trolling from shoppers angry about the marked-up prices comes with the territory. [The teen’s father] said he was initially uncomfortable with his son’s business success because he benefited from a situation created by the health crisis. But he concluded that it was permissible because his son only resells luxury goods, not necessities.
“It is a real distinction,” said [the dad], 61. “This is capitalism.”
You know what? Sometimes, capitalism kinda sucks.
[source wsj.com, via kotaku.com]
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How the hell did he only net 110K in profit on 1.7 million in sales. Sounds fishy to me.
Also scalpers stink even if they’re only 16.
All I got from that is the kid seems to be scalper. Congrats to him for making the money, next time try to do it without scamming people.
@mercilessrobot He's just not that good at capitalisming.
he is called a scalper .and sale practices that screw over customers? that is capitalism at its finest. I hope he gets arrested and thrown in jail over another charge.
How in the world did a 16 year old have the upfront cash to even do this? It’s not exactly something to be proud of either, you’re exploiting the ongoing health crisis for profit. Headline should have been ‘Greedy Jobbies Can Be 16 Too’.
@mercilessrobot nothing odd about it - he’s making just under 10% profit on each sale. That’s all.
We celebrate people who rip us off now??
This is a little w@nker u mean
@AndyC_1101 He's making a lot more than that off of console sales, selling them for over $1,000.
@nessisonett a mix of two things possibly - started off with X amount of cash and reinvested his profits, or (more likely), he pre ordered items thus meaning he didn’t have to pay upfront and could still reap the benefit of selling the items.
Great, another “hero” that a lot of people will try to imitate. No wonder scalpers keep appearing. I’ll never understand society’s obsession with making criminals the heroes of the story.
He didn't force anybody to buy these unnecessary things from him. Capitalism is what it is, a tool.
So he had 1.6 million to start with? So he's already a rich snobby brat who can get whatever he wants yet he's making poorer people pay double the price of things?
Disgusting.........
Hopefully one day karma will catch up to him
@tntswitchfan68 arrested for what? As long as he pays taxes he's allowed to buy and resell almost everything he wants...
@tntswitchfan68 it’s not really screwing over consumers though, is it? Like it or not, for scalping to work, there has to be a buyer in the transaction too. Meaning people are willing to pay over the odds.
As a counter argument, what if all copies of a limited edition product went to genuine fans (i.e no resale market), and you missed out on the sale despite wanting the product yourself?
If the ‘real’ fans wanted to hold on to the product, then you’d be fresh out of luck. Like it or not, scalpers often offer a chance to buyers who miss out on products first time round.
Personally, I have a bigger issue with companies blindly dropping pre orders for hotly anticipated items. If they forewarned people to ‘log in a 4pm to pre order this special edition game’, then maybe so many genuine fans wouldn’t miss out.
@JeanPaul come off it buddy. He’s not a criminal. He’s not broken any laws. It may be morally questionable to many, but people are willing to pay scalper prices online. For as long as that carries on, it will carry on being an issue.
1.7m sales and 110k profit means he is really bad at it. On the plus side he made himself a job that pays 110k but I bet it was worse than double full time hours and most of his “successes” would have had short windows. I said flipping Ps5 and Xbox SX wouldn’t make you rich and this little fella proves that. On 1.7m you’d wanna keep 400k at the very least….. sounds like he made some dud investments - how much cash did he start with?!?
@OldMcGroin regardless, his overall profit margin is just over 10% overall. As posted above, he ‘sold dozens’ of PS5s and Series X consoles - if you take a stab and put that down a 50 (i.e just over 4 dozen), he’s only making $55,000 in revenue, meaning the vast majority of his sales were items other than consoles.
Furthermore, he would of made $30k profit on the consoles using a sales figure of 50 as a guess. That’s before fees, and before any tax he’d have to pay (as I’m guessing individuals are treated the same as individuals and businesses in the U.K. in which you pay tax once you break a certain revenue threshold) It soon squeezes the marigns…
@Stocksy double full time hours? Where does it say this kid was doing this for 80+ hours each and every week?!
Wouldn’t say that he’s ‘doing a bad job’; he’s over $110k better off than he was last year.
‘ I said flipping Ps5 and Xbox SX wouldn’t make you rich and this little fella proves that’. Let’s be honest here, nobody on this site is making $110k a year.
A 10% operating margin in businesses is average, and the bulk of his sales weren’t on the consoles, that had a 50% markup. Even if he sold 50 (giving a generous 4 dozen, as the article said he ‘sold dozens’) Xbox Series X and Playstation 5s, that’s still only $55,000 revenue and $35,000 profits before any selling fees/taxes etc, meaning he sold other goods worth £1.64m (i.e the bulk percentage of his sales wouldn’t of had a 50%+ sales margin)
This is not capitalism, he is "working" in his own business. In capitalism you have capitalists making money owning the business and workers working to feed the capitalists.
"He pulled in $1.7 million in revenue, making $110,000 in profit" - so this teenager with rich parents plays a scalper as a hobby. Weird, but I don't see how its worth giving attention, let alone praise.
I predict the comment section on this article will be locked by the end of the day.
Scalping isn’t illegal... Sure it’s not’s morally correct, but he can’t be thrown in jail. If people were put in prison for being jerks, the US economy would never exist
Capitalists gonna capitalise.
@Preposterous except in a lot of instances, you don’t have to be rich. Most pre orders don’t take payment until the item is shipped; if he’s sold the items before he’s paid for them, it’s self funding.
It's a free country, and perfectly legal for the kid to do this. Doesn't mean I have to like it. I'm not a fan of preying on people for a quick buck. Scalpers buying and reselling marked up goods only adds to the scarcity and prevents some of the customers actually interested in the product from getting it. Somewhere out there is a kid who has been saving birthday money and doing odd jobs to save up so they could get something, only to find there's no stock and the price has been doubled on ebay. The last thing we need to do is celebrate scalpers. We need to just not buy from them. Let them sit on their throne of unsold xboxes in shame so they stop scalping them. Don't buy anything above the MSRP. Don't let these people take advantage of you. So long as people keep giving them money this can only get worse.
Fair play to him. Wish I’d made close to £100k when I was 16.
‘What are ya buyin?’
Scalpers be scalping….
@AndyC_1101 to turn over 1.7m in a year and only make 110k - you have to make a hell of a lot of transactions. Especially as it claims he made double on Xbox and Ps5 - his net profit wasn’t even 10%….. it means he LOST a lot of money of many sales or very marginal profits or a lot of the figures quoted are lies. It’s basic stuff this.
Almost as bad as forcing people out of business and arresting small business owners and workers worldwide while the corporations and politicians make billions more!
All moaning on here, shops do the same and have put prices up during Covid.
Petrol for example is scammed to hell in the UK even when oil prices drop.
A can of coke at supermarket is 50p.
A small shop in London £2.
We are getting ripped off all the time as always.
@Stocksy no, it’s not. If he brought and sold 50 Xbox Series X/PS5 consoles, that’s still only (50 x $1,100) of his overall $1.7m revenue, meaning the vast majority of his sales were other items.
If it’s anything like the U.K. over in the States he’d also have to pay tax once he reached a revenue threshold - over $1.7m in revenue suggests he’d have to pay taxes on all his earnings. On top of this, he’d be paying online fees, postage etc.
Wouldn’t class it as ‘lies’ - in business, a 10% operating margin is average. His model is quantity over high ticketed items, and it’s netted him $110k.
It’s not hard to understand!
As much as i hate scalpers if what they did wasn't being sold then they wouldn't do it, end of the day if morons weren't spending way over the odds for this stuff then scalpers would be out of business.
I collect Yugioh cards and have done since it came over to the UK, i most likely have £1000's worth of cards. At the start of the year i got lucky and pulled one of the "must have" cards at the time, worth easily over £100 and i even got offers from online friends what were way above what it should be going for and it was because scalpers were buying them up leaving the only options of getting lucky in pulls or spending way over a £100 for it. I declined the offers as i actually wanted the card for my collection but the point is i could have easily made a ton of money if i took advantage of people desperate for it.
@Kriven yes, I’m clearly the kid who’s $110k better off, just because I’m stating the obvious.
Smh.
Yeah I don't like the scalping part (especially the consoles part as a gamer myself). One thing that gave me a chuckle personally was the fact that the dad was 61 and has a 16-year-old son. So he had him when he was 45? I'm not quite 45 and I have a 3-year-old granddaughter! LOL
@moodycat it’s life. I’ve paid over the odds on products before when I’ve been late to the party - notably when I started collecting steelbooks, and some of the releases I wanted were long out of print.
If all copies of desired items went to genuine fans who ultimately didn’t sell on, it means people like me would of missed out by ‘being late’.
Nice one, the little sh*tbag. Maybe when gigs come back he can get into the business of buying up tickets kids want and ripping them off too! It's not really capitalism, it's just taking advantage of people during a difficult time. Amazon shut down companies who were inflating the prices of PPE and hand sanitiser so how is this different?
@Kriven Hahaha. You actually clicked my profile? What a sad case.
And yes - I literally created a profile a short while ago. And it was to talk some sense to people here and tell them how things like this work.
But clearly, I’m associated with the kid.
Fool…
I'm not really understanding the problem here. Scalping is a terrible and shameful practice, but how is there "profiting off of people's misery" in this situation? Why would you be making luxury purchases if you're struggling to survive (and then get upset/envious about the person who sold you those luxury items)? Corporate elite-imposed lockdowns have indeed caused widespread starvation and destruction of entire economies, but those still wealthy enough getting upset at someone for selling things they, themselves, can apparently afford doesn't make much sense.
A bit of a false equivalence, perhaps?
I’m honestly not sure how this is a st. The kid started out with a buttload of money to begin with.
The escalating scalping situation is really just a byproduct of unfettered capitalism and disparity of wealth. It’s not gonna change, and it’s always been there. If you want something when it’s hot, you need to be lucky, or pay a premium. It sucks. I hate it. At the same time, if someone from a lower economic status makes a few bucks off some pokemon cards and ps5s, good for them.
@Kriven arguing? Pointing out some obvious things isn’t arguing pal. The only person here who has an issue with what I’m saying is you. To the point you’re pathetic enough to click my profile!
Keep believing that I’m associated with Max all you want if it’ll make you sleep at night. Makes no difference to me how pathetic you are.
I mean, for one, I’m in the U.K. & had no way of choosing my location when I signed up, but clearly I’m an overseas relative!
Deluded.
It's legal, it's annoying.
Interesting that they've gone public with it though. Probably to try and recoup some of the surprise tax bill from selling the story.
@Crockin wish sites would give consumers a heads up when pre orders are going live. Countless times on the Nintendo Store I’ve been a nervous wreck for weeks waiting for an Amiibo or special edition of a game to drop, with no notion of when the pre orders we’re going live…
It’s also sometimes an issue of the manufacturer, in artificially manufacturing far less of a product than what the demand is (& yeah, I get why they do it as well…)
Capitalism my ass. Normally I’d say congrats but the fact that he sold those consoles for such a huge price is Ridiculous. The only other person(s) that I believe may be worse in this situation are the gullible fools purchasing them from him and the people like him. I will probably get some snide and or nasty comments about this comment but hey, such is life…
@zever the crazy part here for me is that there are never usually any must play games on launch for a console! I’m happy to wait for the PS5 and Series X - I’ll probably get the mid gen upgrade if they do one, and the benefit of that is that a lot of the older games will be tons cheaper too…
It’s all about supply and demand at the end of the day.
Child fleeces adults who should know better out of boatloads of cash.
This isn't capitalism at all its just theft. You allowing your child to steal from people. This father should be ashamed of himself for allowing this to happen.
@Hellburner918 Get a grip pal. Theft? The fact that people are willing to pay the prices he’s selling consoles and the like for tells any sane person that it really isn’t theft at all.
Outrageous he also got banned from Twitch for streaming in his hot tub he brought with the profits.
I mean if he was using capital from other people to sell diverse items, thus minimalizing the individual risk of loss and the overall risk of market decline ... that would be "capitalism".
This is just ... trade. I thing that humans did for 1000s of year before capitalism and something that is still part of the economy in non-capitalist markets.
@noobish_hat Capitalism is all part and parcel of businesses, and it’s a big reason as to why technology and science evolves. Big companies earn profits, reinvest those profits in r&d and ultimately the consumer benefits by gaining the benefit of better products.
This isn’t capitalism by the strict business definition, despite the fact he’s profited. In terms of general capitalism, it’s hypocritical to say you’re against it if you’re consuming the products produced by the big companies out there.
Like I've said before, buy from scalpers then dispute the charges.
@tntswitchfan68 Why fault him when you got suckers paying the high prices. Until people stop buying at these ridiculous prices there will be douchbags like this guy doing it.
It may be legal and about capitalism but when it comes down to it, this guy is a douche. And so are the people that buy from scalpers because they are enabling them.
Wonder if this thread will be as long as that other one xx
Good ending paragraph
eBay should be happy. That 1.7 million in gross sales means about 221,000 for them. Best way to deal with scalpers is not to buy from them.
@PhhhCough how does that work? Just don’t pay for any part of a tangible good you received? That’s getting into theft vs an actual exchange of property/money (even tho the exchanges in these cases, for consoles, was outrageous at more than double).
@mercilessrobot
I’m assuming his 61 year old father supplied him with a “small loan.”
I think I'd have to disagree with those saying "he started out with a ton of money" too. We can't know that. Maybe he was already a Pokemon card collector...saw how crazy Pokemon sales were getting last year...and decided to start by selling his collection piece by piece...making profits on the rarer cards he already had...which he then turned around and invested in bigger ticket items like the said gaming consoles? I may not agree with the "morality" of scalpers or the like...but that doesn't make it any less a viable business alternative as long as there are those willing to pay for those said luxury items at the prices he's offering. Is it necessarily "fair" to those that are forced to wait with the limited supplies out there? No, not really...but its business where there ARE others willing to pay the prices (as some above who are figure and card collectors, etc., have shown THEY were willing to do for their passions). I can't fault him for seeing a business opportunity and taking it, especially at his age.
Nintendo fans: “scalpers are a big problem...and evil!”
Nintendo: ...
Retailers: ...
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Lol
So he turned 1.59 million into 1.7 million..... Wouldnt intrest rates get you most of that lol?
@Kriven sit still, the tin foil hat is slipping!
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this at all. He is free to buy whatever games he wants and free to sell them for whatever someone else is willing to pay. If people don't like paying high reseller prices then don't. But stop crying about it. Your life won't end without a new games console.
@skycargav2000 nah - it’s a 9.3% return; interest rates (especially now) are nowhere near that…
Here's the problem 1.7 mil he better save to pay those taxes that will come due. Otherwise he is a Scalper. He probably can't pay that and that will make it criminal.
@SwitchForce you’re twisting the words. Where does it say that the $110k is pre tax? It doesn’t. If it was a pre tax profit then his tax bill would put him at a loss, as I’m sure the tax on $1.7m would be higher than the 6.47% it would require for him to break even.
I’m pretty sure that the profit future quoted is post tax.
Oh, and he definitely is a scalper. No two ways around it. But power to him for making a cool $110k in a year.
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@Farts_Ahoy Grow up pal. Nothing stopping people making a profit in this world. The buyers were happy to pay the prices he was selling for as well. Supply and demand is all this is.
I just want to know who the people buying $1,100 Xbox's are.
Given money from dad and scalped. Rubbish story.
@AnnoyingFrenzy more money than sense! Not sure the majority of the people waiting for restocks are missing out on much either, right?
@AndyC_1101 I'd imagine a business relying on that would quickly fall apart. You need flexibility to move so many items.
@AndyC_1101 If he did this right, he shouldn’t owe income taxes on anything but the $110k. The real problem is collection and remition of sales and use taxes state by state (because every states laws are different, especially as it comes to online sales). I think that’s where the bigger trouble could come from (particularly if the state does an audit).
Bad reporting by Nintendo Life. Seems the kid brought things like heaters, pools, dumbbells, hair clippers and many other items. They’ve made out it’s only video game related products he was selling and buying..
https://news.yahoo.com/16-old-entrepreneur-reportedly-brought-101413442.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMkbIxcE-eB0X3jTCI7CXGePk-I4oZaXoVcGy71G2gRqhPwCrt6kr2mJDqPlFp4jr4uL7CkH-x5TFgeSkkhhlHy49VXpRDm_r07Ny9UgaW3XtT3G9EoebDJ_5-GLGeO4jvp4U_IpbGEMOnoKJ1Iq7_w_ZeFumuAU8A_OCVOdBDWV
@Pirate1 of course - taxes are on profits and not revenues. And I’m an accountant! It’s been a long day…
Yay, you're resorting to celebrating a scalper (And considering his 10% profit, a rather crummy one) now?
@Preposterous seems his business wasn’t just surrounding video game related products.bad reporting on this site..
https://news.yahoo.com/16-old-entrepreneur-reportedly-brought-101413442.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMkbIxcE-eB0X3jTCI7CXGePk-I4oZaXoVcGy71G2gRqhPwCrt6kr2mJDqPlFp4jr4uL7CkH-x5TFgeSkkhhlHy49VXpRDm_r07Ny9UgaW3XtT3G9EoebDJ_5-GLGeO4jvp4U_IpbGEMOnoKJ1Iq7_w_ZeFumuAU8A_OCVOdBDWV
@MysticX 10% profit is about average for a business. No he’s still $110k better off in the space of a year, at 16, so I’m not sure what you find funny about that…
@AndyC_1101 I don’t know if it was bad reporting. Other “luxury goods” was mentioned a few times. This being a gaming site, they focused on that aspect (and provided sources with additional information). I don’t see anything wrong with the article itself.
People here say they're mad that this person scalps old consoles at the age of 16, meanwhile I see people just being jealous. Good on the kid for being smart with how he sells things
@Pirate1 true. Probably selective reading on my part after a long day is all!
Ugh, the father’s comment about, “this is capitalism” just shows what’s wrong with it.
“ he was initially uncomfortable with his son’s business success because he benefited from a situation created by the health crisis. But he concluded that it was permissible because his son only resells luxury goods, not necessities.”
The gold medal for mental gymnastics goes to……..
So while taking home $110,000 in a year for reselling Pokémon cards and gaming goods (which sucks for genuine collectors and fans, but I digress) is pretty good, I imagine this person will pay a hefty tax bill on that 1.7 million revenue, no? If it’s a legit business, then I imagine not, but someone who’s just buying stuff and flipping it, isn’t the whole amount considered income?
EDIT: Just saw AndyC’s posts on the tax thing, thank you.
Oh, and capitalism is good. He’s right about that.
@ArcadeEighty taxes are on profits, not revenue…
So now we are glorifying scalpers now and praising them Nintendolife?
This is why real gamers can't find the new consoles because of articles like this. Instead of glorifying them perhaps you should shame them. Just an idea.
F*** this article. And f*** this kid for flogging next gen consoles when there are still shortages everywhere. Shouldn’t be celebrating this bs.
@ryanshedlock He knows people get desparate. I know what you are saying though.
@AndyC_1101 It is taking advantage of people.
@AndyC_1101 Maybe some editing happened, but by the time I read the article, there was a mention of patio heaters and other items as well. Doesn't change the fact that the kid must have started with quite a hefty amount of money to begin with, though.
@Whitestrider For scalping.
I was almost impressed before I read the PS5 and XSX part...
@tntswitchfan68 it’s not though. People are willingly paying the prices he’s asking, despite knowing the RRP is less. If someone is too impatient to wait for a PS5 and wants to pay more than double the retail price for it, that’s on them..
@MitchK I see what you did there. 🤣
@PessitheMystic Power to him if he’s making bucks from people too impatient to wait for proper restocks. I mean, the rest of us are barely missing out despite not being able to get next gen consoles, are we?
@AndyC_1101 Ok, the reason I pointed that out is because you said "he’s making just under 10% profit on each sale." You didn't mention averages or anything like that.
Ya but after taxes...
@mercilessrobot that was my question, too. So he spent $1.6 million? Where the heck did he get $1.6 million dollars???
@AndyC_1101 nah dude, it’s just the principle though innit. Looks like companies are gonna be supporting PS4 and Xbox One for a while yet anyway so not like we’re missing out on many must-have games.
So he is a person of low enough morals and character to rip people off. Worst thing about that is how there is no shortage of ways to make money off sales right now, homes, cars, lots of ways to make a more honest buck and a lot more money doing so if you got that large capital, but this is just shady, like selling stuff out the trunk of your car shady.
No need to dump on capitalism. Nintendo would not be Nintendo without capitalism.
@OldMcGroin also - his business is also involved in selling products as diverse as weights, pools, heaters as well as the video games. So that probably means he’s paying for premises somewhere to store these goods, which also eats into the profit…
So where's the evidence of these sales? Story seems fishy. Where would a 16 year old get the money to buy and resell?
@JayJ how is making money from real estate and reselling motor vehicles any different? End of the day the principle is still the same - setting up a business to make a profit.
The buyers don’t have to pay these prices, but they do. Hence there being supply and demand for the products, hence the business model being successful.
I don’t understand why any of this riles people up. Could be how the site is conditioning your mind to think about it all; they rarely speak positively about this sort of thing.
1) He’s selling luxury items that nobody desperately needs.
2) People are dumb and/or impatient enough to actually pay those prices. That’s their own fault.
3) Frankly, I don’t have any sympathy for this sort of thing. As long as there are people who willingly pay such prices for items, then scalpers will scalp, end of story.
4) does it mean you personally may miss some hot item for a second? It’s ok. You’ll live, and when you’re older you’ll be happy you didn’t waste your money, assuming you care about that sort of thing.
Everyone focuses on the dollars, not much talk about the time. He's a kid, he has time to procure things. People who work a career and have kids don't have time, they'll use money instead. I didn't have the time to camp out for a Rosalina amiibo so I bought one at 3x markup from someone who did. Blame the world for everything not always being in stock at every corner, but the twerp is providing a service that essentially sells time, and the service costs money.
Also to those scratching their head at how he got started, it is more common than you think for white collar parents to try and teach their kids a business trade. I've seen plenty of people buy their teenager a property to manage, teach them how to hire workers to fix it up, and then rent or flip it. I'd guess his parents gave him a seed and a few products to start with.
@AndyC_1101 how is making money from real estate and reselling motor vehicles any different? End of the day the principle is still the same - setting up a business to make a profit.
Nonstarter here you equating to unrelated things one is regulated other is not.
@AndyC_1101 The buyers don’t have to pay these prices, but they do. Hence there being supply and demand for the products, hence the business model being successful.
That's called Scalping no two way about it. If sold at MSRP plus shipping but selling things upwards of 1K from MSRP that isn't capitalisms that straight out Scalping.
Why it is so bad if he sold PS5s $1100 per unit? If someone was stupid enough to buy that, everybody wins, that kid and that dude who has enough money to buy video game console for $1100(!). Don't buy from scalpers, it's as simply as that.
I'd understand if that was necessities, but it was game consoles and pokemon cards.
I bought Fire Emblem figurine for 80€ back in 2012, and sold it for 300€ last year, I am scalper too?
@SwitchForce it doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters here is that there are people happy to part with silly money to get a new console that they could have for RRP had they been patient.
Power to him, he hasn’t done anything wrong.
If you ever decide to move @JaxonH I think you can top this guy over a weekend cleaning out your apartment. 😉
@Justifier absolutely not. If you want to buy anything and sell it on at a profit that’s between you, and the person who’s happy to buy whatever you’re selling.
See nothing wrong with this at all.
@Justifier one difference to point out is holding onto something long-term (> 12 months) vs short term holding for (immediate) resell. Those are different activities (at least in a lot of circles). One is investing (assuming the figurine was considered art and not a toy to play with, if it was a toy to play with them reselling for that much is a bonus onto the fun!) the other is essentially a retail business.
Screw it, I'm going to go into business selling "imported organic nutritional ingredients, and mental health enhancing evening companionship" on the street corner. This is fudging capitalism after all. It's all luxury goods.
Call me crazy, but I was raised to ask if you SHOULD do something, rather than simply asking if you CAN do something that benefits you. That seems to be what's lost in the world. Preying on the terminally stupid because you can, it's legal, and benefits you does not make you a human worthy of sparing torture. At best, it makes you a political candidate.
@rjejr @JaxonH ROFL! True dat.
Honestly the fault is with the people buying the item off the scalpers when it comes to luxury items.
Now if they were things that were needed like how we saw people going bonkers with the hand gel and Toilet Paper at the start of the pandemic last year then flipping them. Those scalpers are the true scum.
I fail to see how this guy did anything wrong or how it's capitalism being bad.
@rjejr
It's not even worth it.
Ive got 3 large boxes of extra games and stuff I need to sell (ordering an extra CE in case one gets damaged, then sell the extra, stuff like that, it adds up over the years).
I'm too lazy to list it all on eBay. Would probably take a 40 hr work week just to get the pictures taken and listings made. Screw it. I don't need the money that bad
@Darlinfan
@AndyC_1101 One is considerably more shady than the other. This is like when people were selling toilet paper out their garage for massively inflated prices. It might be someone's hustle but it's one that isn't deserving of praise, it's like trying to brag about how many people you cheated.
@Justifier Nothing wrong with it. I’ve flipped stuff after holding onto it for a few years, too. The buyers were all very happy, even at the “collectors” cost.
@JayJ apart from toilet paper is (pretty much) a necessity, whereas we’re talking about video game consoles here. First world problems and all that…
@JaxonH Same here lol, I got lots of stuff sitting in a couple of boxes I have in storage that is just things I accidentally got double of, that I intended to sell but never got around to doing so, if you're a video game collector it's easy to get a box of stuff like that over time. It's just I got off Ebay years ago and didn't want to get sucked back into that, and it's one of the only ways to really sell this stuff quickly, but that's a lot of work. Something I might get around to one day if I am trying to clear out some old stuff finally.
@AndyC_1101 Seems like the point went way over your head and you are dedicated to defending this guy for some odd reason. I am over arguing with you about it, the guy is shady, he made his money in a shady way, and that is all there is to it. No amount of your mental gymnastics is going to change that.
@JayJ No. You’re trying to equate selling an essential item such as toilet paper over something as essentially trivial as a video game console. Completely different thing altogether.
You get it, you know you do, and you’re bowing out without admitting it. Fine, that’s on you.
The boy is ruined. This isn't capitalising on a situation. It's exploiting and profiteering from it. Much like some folk see others as opposition not competition.
I mean, they kinda put forward the aguement that luxury items are a case of no harm no foul, but holy cow, did folk need them the last 2 years. Nah, this is deplorable. Hate it. And yet...totally legal. Lord knows what the billionaires are getting away with.
Yuck.
Just to be abundantly clear, capitalising on this situation would be SONY managing to increase supply to meet the increased demand (of course they failed to do this through no fault of their own) or maybe building goodwill (anyone remember that word these days?) by throwing out a free game to keep active or something.
@AndyC_1101 Well, I definitely can say Xbox hasn't done a very good job making me want one. But if someone is willing to drop 1100 on an Xbox, at that point why not just get a gaming PC. That can play all the Xbox games and more.
@AnnoyingFrenzy absolutely. I’d rather have a PS5/Switch combo for the best of both worlds but have a PS4 Pro, Switch and Xbox One so will probably end up getting all three at some stage.
Personally feel that Xbox really needs to up their game re exclusive content..
@JayJ So true we got another Scalper trying to justify Scalping as Capitalism of which it's not. Here's more that might go over your head.
capitalism can cause – inequality, market failure, damage to the environment, short-termism, excess materialism and boom and bust economic cycles. Capitalism is bad. Capitalism ignores peoples' needs, results in wealth inequality, and does not promote equal opportunity.
So how is his selling something for 1100$$ promoting equal opportunity????
@AndyC_1101 yeah, Switch, PS5, PC is the route I'll probably be going rn unless Xbox churns out actual exclusives I can't get on my PC.
Smart kid. He needs to invest in houses next. Buy and sell so he won’t be called a scalper
He’s the problem.
If he had that many PS5s and XBOXs to sell then he probably had a bot buying them for him right?
How is that not despicable?
It’s despicable, yet it’s the same reason why metroid is worth 60 bucks. Free market. Willingness to pay.
I haven’t bought a series X yet because I’m refusing to pay more than MSRP. The more people who follow that reasoning, the faster reselling practices stop.
I'm not impressed. Even though he had the decency to resell non-essential items only, he's still as scummy as adults who resell consoles above MSRP. Once again, I cannot stress how there should be a grace period where independently selling above MSRP should be illegal unless auctioned.
'No one forces people to buy from them' is not a bloody defence. And to be honest, not exactly true because they are basically hoarding stock between them. If you wanted a PS5...you couldn't walk into a shop and buy one. Nah, this attitude supports this greedy opportunistic behaviour whilst shifting the blame on to the consumer. Which is vomit inducing.
I get the whole cycle of buying from them encourages them, but I don't think the burden of breaking the cycle should land on the consumer's feet here. It's easy for me to say don't buy from them, but I don't particularly want a PS5 in the first instance. I'll be camping by my F5 key when the Switch Pro is up for order, but even then, I will resent scalpers for giving me the inconvenience of having the mind set I need to.
@AnnoyingFrenzy it was and probably still is impossible to buy a good graphics card. Those were being scalped too. Might have been the reason why one didn’t buy a gaming pc last year but instead chose to buy a series X for 1100.
The sad thing is this kid, the parents, and the WSJ think this is entrepreneurial. If you had access to a $1.6 million bankroll, would you REALLY invest that money in reselling PlayStations and Pokémon??
@Rygar My God. Are you suggesting people start scalping houses? Hmm...might explain the house prices...
Congrats to the young man. He recognized the market and earned himself some nice money.
@UltimateOtaku91,
Yes so basically someone with a lot of money to begin with makes more off it, not the greatest revelation in the world is it.
@GrailUK haha, if I had $1.6million to sink into a property...I would hope for a much greater return than $100k. High risk, low reward.
"Jerk teen profits $110k by scalping during pandemic, encouraged by father"
Fixed that title for you.
@Darlinfan Not sure why you are painting consumers as gullable. I reckon folk buying from scalpers have that kind of disposable cash. It's the people missing out I'm angry for.
Hm. "I wonder if there's a core reason behind all of this getting money from people no matter what it takes craze." 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@Nookingtons if he pays his taxes the irs has nothing to deal with.
@Justifier nah, you're just a smart person for making easy money... The same goes for scalpers.
@Darlinfan I get you. Yeah, I have no sympathy to folk paying over the odds for something. That's their choice. But the act of scalping prohibits consumers from buying something as intended. It's legal. I get that. But it's not cool. (or clever as some people seem to think. If we all did it, the system would be chaos.)
@Pirate1 How did he scam people? They willingly paid those amounts.
@JeanPaul what is "criminal" about selling stuff you bought?
@nessisonett it’s called having leverage, he Most likely had money from selling other things before the pandemic. He obviously didnt just start flipping now if he was able to kill it with pokemon cards and consoles. Sad world we live in that we have grown men hating on these kids for hustling, instead of wasting his time being unproductive at home he used his time to make money. Anyone reading this who is also making money like this, don’t let these people make you feel bad. They’re just hating, keep doing your thing.
@Onion_Knight Finally a decent comment in here instead of the usual "capitalism bad" screeching. The same people who are writing stuff like that now will be applauding and cheering once NL posts an article along the lines of "Nintendo breaks another sales/profits record".
A huge part of the reason that PS5 and Xbox Series X continue being out of stock is because of the chip shortage. These companies decided to launch their consoles right as this became a thing. While scalpers/bots are definitely a big factor in scarcity of these platforms, they are not the only reason by a longshot. Either way, I'm not a fan of it, regardless of how legal it is.
@JaxonH Yeah, but say you're moving cross country, might be easier to sell it than transport it is all I'm saying. 😉 But you're right, will take you more than a weekend just to photograph it all for the online ads.
But the money is there, you shouldn't' starve anyway. 😁
I like how a kid reselling cards and a game console led to people doing insights into capitalism. Or something like that.
If you think I have a positive opinion of this, you'd be very wrong. But I don't blame the kid for taking advantage of a system I strongly dislike.
Sounds like the kids got the entrepreneur spirit. Reminds me of how Richard Branson or any number of other business leaders got started.
ill be honest for that turn over the return is poor. or should read tax dodger dad uses kid
@akamu the definition of a scam is a dishonest scheme (quick Google, Oxford languages, similar to Merriam-Webster’s a deceptive act). I didn’t say it was illegal or anything, pretty sure it doesn’t fall in the realm of FTC scams (US). But what I am saying is he’s being dishonest with this move. He’s jacking up the price of something he is quite literally adding no value to (there are no services being provided or additional assets such as fan art he made or creating gaming bundles or anything like that). All he’s doing is flipping the product as fast as he can for double+ the price. I don’t know how that isn’t a scam.
Quick note on the “you could do the same thing with houses” comments. Yes, you could. A lot of people that do that provide some type of additional benefit for it though (renovation, removal of mold and the like, furnish the place, things like that) before charging anything extra for it. Sure, you could buy a house and immediately turn it around for a higher price without doing ANY work or providing ANY service, but that would also be a scam.
I love how the gist of the comments it's "market manipulation = capitalism"
Unfortunately that's become true but it's not something to celebrate, and it runs contrary to the ideas the US system was designed around, which were intended to avoid the pitfalls of a pure free market. Somehow since the 80s that's ignored.
This kid sucks.
I thought he made that money by selling stuff he had owned and decided to get rid of. Which is perfectly fine, and normal. But reading the article, it's obvious the guy is just a dirty scalper.
I guess scalping can’t be that profitable if your margin is 10%.
Did his father also teach him how to report his earnings to the IRS as well?
@AndyC_1101 Then some "real fan" would've been able to buy the product for the real price if the scalper wasn't there. He provided no actual service to anyone.
@Friendly Hmmm, can't say I've heard anything about that but certainly sounds plausible enough in this day and age sadly.
This is absolutely disgusting. People like this kid make me sick.
Ya this kid sounds like a jerk.
@Pirate1 No need to be condescending. Even going by that definition, I don’t see how he’s being dishonest or deceptive. Asking $1000 for Xbox or PS has been going on since the 360 era. Showing the price and allowing customers to determine if it’s worth it to them is hardly deceptive. I’m not saying I don’t think it’s a jerky thing to do because I do.
@akamu the purpose of that message was not to be condescending, but to answer your question as to how that was a scam. I simply provided why I think it’s a scam. Apologies if it came off condescending.
People calling him a criminal need to get with reality. You may not like what he's doing, but no laws are being broken. He is on questionable moral ground but not legal ground. This is no different than people who go out and buy expensive, limited edition luxury sneakers and sell them to "Sneakerheads" for a massive mark-up.
I'm not crazy about these practices either as it makes it harder for enthusiasts to grab things they may want, but the kid is simply using a system that tends to reward these practices. He's making investments. Let's not turn this into a witch hunt. Someone is going to do it if he doesn't. The practice of buying something for a lower or retail price and selling it for more isn't exactly a new or novel concept. I'm willing to bet that a good portion of the angry commenters here have probably done this at some point in their lives. There is no point in being angry over it. This is life.
At least this is being done with luxury items that no one needs. It's not food, water, or medicine.
Screw him and anyone stupid enough to pay his ridiculous mark ups
@Onion True, still doesn't change the fact that its messed up.
All you whiners - "he's exploiting the ongoing health crisis!" Oh boo hoo. You and your first world problems. You don't NEED a PS5. You don't NEED a new 82" TV. You don't NEED that hard to find Pokemon card. And if you MUST HAVE any of them and paying the price someone asks, you just told the market that this is how much you value it at. It reminds me of when I sold my Ring Fit Adventure last June for $185 on eBay. Nobody NEEDED it. Nobody was going to die without it. Nobody's life was at risk. The buyer decided that it was worth $185 to him, so he got it. It wasn't worth $185 to me, so I preferred the cash.
The next time your brain tells you that you NEED a Ferrari Enzo, but don't want to pay the "scalper price" of over 2.6 million, try trading them your lightly used Nintendo Switch with 5 games and just a little bit of Joy-Con drift.
You all are so spoiled and entitled. The greedy ones are you who think the world owes you anything.
@Strumpan That's not how capitalism works. There are no preset "Workers" and "Capitalists". Anyone can quit their job to start a business and Bill Gates could decide to work at McDonalds if he wanted to.
@tntswitchfan68 arrested for selling his property?
This just highlights the dirty side of capitalism. One that becomes increasingly more apparent as dealings become more transparent. People have been getting away with this sort of thing for years now.
And before you go nuts, no, I'm not a Communist or socialist or whatever just because I criticize capitalism.
@ATaco Extreme capitalism, socialism, or even communism have their downsides. Ultimately while not reselling "essential" goods it's not making a bad situation any better for anyone else. This is a moral grey area where scalpers aren't doing anything "wrong" but they are extorting others because of a short supply creating an unnecessary middle man.
"Hayden focused his attention on goods that were in high demand during the pandemic, such as patio heaters and gaming systems, including the PS5 and Xbox Series X. He has sold 'dozens' of the latter items for as much as $1,100 each, double the typical ticket price. He's hoping to have just as good a year in 2021, once again targeting items that are in short supply and high demand."
Thanks to the WSJ for commending this enterprising young man as he embarks upon his journey to become a beloved secondary market reseller. How lucky we are to have people like him who resell game console "tickets" at such reasonable prices.
But why limit yourself to "non-essential" goods like game consoles that bring a tiny bit of happiness to children (and adults) who are stuck in lockdown and suffering from social isolation and depression? If he had wanted to make even more money during the pandemic, he could have scalped other high-demand items like toilet paper, hand sanitizer, and disinfectant wipes. Or vaccine doses. What a lost moneymaking opportunity!
When i was 16 I worked as a dish washer for minimum wage. And how did this 16 year old scumbag reseller manage to land so many in demand items in the first place?
@jorel262 bots, almost certainly.
Isn't it great that software can monitor online stores 24/7 and purchase items the instant they become available, much faster than any human?
And isn't it convenient that an online retailer like Amazon allows resellers to immediately re-list the items they just purchased - so they don't even have to leave Amazon's warehouse! And Amazon gets commissions for both the original sale and the scalper's sale.
Kotaku: "It doesn’t matter to Sony whether a PlayStation fan or a reseller buys a PS5, because they’ve made the sale"
It does matter to Sony when customers become angry that PS5 consoles are only available at huge markup over retail. That markup doesn't go to Sony, to game developers, or to gamers but instead stays in the scalper's pocket. And you can bet that scalpers aren't buying stacks of PS5 games or PSN subscriptions.
@Pirate1 No worries! I thought you were saying 'Google it if you don't know', but maybe the mistake was on my end.
@Large-Kelpfries I just pointed out that capitalism is a system for how the ownership of the means of production is distributed. The fact that a worker can become a capitalist (and vice versa) is irrelevant here.
@4thHcier for scalping. People get arrested for scalping Ticket prices.
@AndyC_1101 Well, they are only doing it because they know it is the only way to get it.
@mercilessrobot It just means he didn't markup most of his stuff much, lost money on some purchases and/or still has a lot of inventory to flip.
@tntswitchfan68 point being? Sometimes people miss out on products that are produced in limited quantities due to other commitments (work, etc), so this creates a market for those people to get a second chance.
Absolutely nothing wrong with it. The buyers are happy to pay asking price.
'Scummy rich kid gets richer by using existing assets from scummy dad without creating any value whatsoever'.
That's capitalism.
There is a world of difference between using assets and knowledge to create something of value and sell it and this which is just someone using existing wealth to rip people off.
Little scumbag
@mercilessrobot maybe he has a lot of things in stock still? Or the markup isn't that much, or he buys things from scalpers and wait for the price to increase.
Or he reinvested. If you have a card, sell it for $10, buy a card for $10 and sell it for $15, you have $25 revenue, but less than $15 profit.
@OldMcGroin "we celebrate people who rip us off now?"
Welcome to Nintendolife.
A bit like how this website click grabs.
@AndyC_1101 If he flipped the consoles at 100% profit, that means that the average payoff on the rest wasn't all that hot. (And since the Pokemon card market is utter pandemonium at the moment, i thought it would be more profitable)
Does it say anywhere what his starting capital was?
So many people complaining about capitalism here... Yes, supply and demand can cause prices to go up, but remember that it's because of capitalism that we have the stuff for you to complain about wanting in the first place. The tech industry in particular is only where it is today because of capitalist competition.
Scalpers are annoying when you can't get what you want in stores at retail price, but there isn't any guarantee you'd find it even without scalpers, and then there'd be none online either. The problem lies mostly with there being too many scalpers, or scalpers selling necessities. Personally, I think most of the responsibility lies with the stores themselves, who allow someone to walk in and buy them out. Reasonable item limits would fix the over-scalping problem and would be easy to implement.
@blecch
Actually, a lot of websites started banning reselling of essential items when they were hard to find. Even they realized it was a step too far. Reselling luxury items that nobody needs at higher prices is annoying, but doesn't actually hurt anyone.
Jealousy abound in this thread still.
@Large-Kelpfries Remember Bill came from a White Privileged family with MONEY $$$ to backup. That's what you forget...some had the means given to them.
He is ultimate wavey man selling them catch em alls
@JeanPaul while scalping is definitely a pos thing to do and hurts supply how is he in anyway a criminal? Just because you and I dislike the practice don’t make it illegal its not and he is not a criminal
@Nookingtons They won't, under 18 and you're tax-exempt. I bet the dad was funding this venture in his son's name to avoid the taxes.
@SwitchForce That's a BS statement. Anyone could have done this because profits doubling means that product is doubling too. If you sold just one item, you're buying 2 next time, and then 4, then 8.
Now the skills to build the bots is another issue entirely, but once he had that going, there really wasn't anything stopping him (maybe he paid for the bot and that's why he only made $110K).
Anyway, not everything is about race or presumed privilege.
@BarryandWill Again, you're assuming that's what he did... He might have been given one switch or Xbox Series X. Maybe he collected those Pokemon cards for years and used them to fund this.
I think the dad might have been funding it, but that's hard to prove.
@blecch You make it sound as if people are buying these in quantities to store away like gold coins. No, they're flipping them for more money. Look on eBay and you'll see them selling. They're selling far above MSRP, but they're selling. Those buyers aren't sitting on them, waiting for their value to increase. These aren't stocks. Those who are buying them for $850 are also gamers, just gamers with either far more money than you or ones who decided that that $850 in their bank account is better spent on a video game system than food or clothes.
Those of you complaining, face the facts, those who are buying have more disposable income than you. Most of them probably live in nicer housing, own their home, drive a nicer car, eat finer meals. Use your anger to motivate yourself into learning a skill or getting a useful degree and so when the PS6 or even PS7 comes out, if this is an issue, you can drop the money on the inflated price and not even think twice about it.
@Hellburner918 Theft??? You'd better call the police then! Before you know it he'll be murdering children in the streets!
Grow up. Someone bought some things and then sold them for a profit. This is perfectly legal and absolutely fine.
Owning a new console is not essential. Owning a new console during the launch window is not your god given right.
Stop acting as if your life has been made worse because you can't buy a new console. It hasn't.
And if you genuinely feel that it has, you need to look into getting a better life and stop crying over delayed luxury purchases.
As a person that grew up in a third-world country. Anyone that's upset about this kid reselling literal luxury items like pokemon cards, PS5s and Switches, are literally the definition of first-world problems.
Honestly, people are condemning this kid as if he's scalping the vaccine.
I'm sorry but if you're paying over $1k for Pokemon cards, pieces of paper with cartoon animals printed on them, then you only have yourself to blame for being ripped off.
This isn't really a capitalist problem as it is a consumerist one.
@SwitchForce Sorry I wasn't very clear. I didn't mean everyone has the same opportunities to find work or start a business, I just meant that everyone has the right to start a business and you aren't sorted into a job by the government or something like that.
@FuzzBall “ They won't, under 18 and you're tax-exempt. I bet the dad was funding this venture in his son's name to avoid the taxes.”
This is a very false statement. Making that much, he definitely has to file and pay income taxes. You can not file or have to pay any of your income if, as a minor, your income is less than around $12k for the year.
@TrueWiiMaster No what we have now is from Industrialisation. The internet was built in the public system by universities funded by taxpayers and sold off to capitalists to profit.
Steve jobs didn’t invent the touchscreens in iphones and other devices they were developed by the department of defence.
Sold off for significant less that what was put it to the development.
Remember what google was when it started as a search engine?
They added a layer of icing to a store bought cake and call it innovative.
Capitalism doesn’t breed innovation it exploits it.
Necessity is the mother of all invention and innovation comes from the the sharing of ideas and people working together.
Capitalism sucks, scalpers suck and this kid will probably be a future leechlord.
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@AndyC_1101 Its called scamming *****, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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@Pirate1 I guess things might have been different when I was his age! We didn’t have the internet and it wasn’t every day that some kid made $110K in a year.
The law very well could have been there 36 years ago too, but I never new anyone that made more than $12K a year as a teenager.
@mantez
Even in those cases, capitalism was very beneficial. Private businesses may not have invented every single thing, but they advanced almost all of it. The military (funded by taxes taken from a capitalist market), may create technology, but it's businesses that take that technology and make it into something people want and can use. They made the touchscreen, capitalism made the smartphone. There's a reason almost all innovation in practically every category comes from capitalist countries.
And since we're on a video game website, it's worth singling games out as one category that has enormously benefitted from competition, forcing the technology to advance very quickly.
Guessing all you capitalism bashers are flooding to Zimbabwe and Venezuela, right?
@TrueWiiMaster the Soviet union invented interlace video, Led pretty much all space and satellite tech and underwater welding all these having some relevance to video games. Plus Nuclear power plants, organ transplant, blood banks and whole lot of other stuff I can’t remember at the moment.
Cuba has on their own invented a vaccine for lung cancer. 5 covid vaccines 1 released 4 others in stages of clinical trials. Promising research in other cancer treatments. And treatments for foot ulcers on diabetic patients to prevent.
These are just a few examples.
Capitalism did not make the iphone. The iphone was made by peoples labour from the engineers who worked together to figure out the layout of the electronics to the coders who wrote the firmware and the operating systems and apps. The people who mined the cobalt the silicone the gold the steel the aluminium the artists who designed the logos The workers who assembled them. The people who profit the most are the shareholders who probably don’t even know how to turn on a iphone.
Capitalism is an exploitative system. My cake analogy stands. Capitalists buy the ip rights to public/socially developed technologies and merge it with some other already existing tech and call it innovation.
It’s Like someone Buying a pre made cake, a can of icing and some smarties slapping it together and calling themselves a baker.
Thens there’s the buying up of patents to shelve the competition.
Video games have not innovated because of capitalism. Video games use the same tech as computers the video game industry grows as the computing industry grows. The current stat of the video game industry is hardly innovative anyway. Most releases are remakes or remaster or full of micro transactions and palette swaps. Then there’s the day one dlc unlock codes and paid subscriptions.
Then there’s cpu core binning, locking off access of certain hardware and while there are legit reasons for some of this. A lot of the time it they want you upgrade to next model because they need you to consume, consume, consume.
It’s the reason you’ll wont get the right to repair. They don’t want you to repair. They want to capitalise on you buying a new one. Remember consume, consume, consume.
@AndyC_1101 I know, but the point is, the IP holder does have a right to restrict how it is used.
@CactusMan it’s about who owns the means of production. Private enterprise for purpose of profit (capitalism) or the people to serve the people (socialism)
Capitalism is not immune from reverting to feudalism (as it happened many times) or the church returning as the state.
Just as socialism can revert to capitalism as evidenced by the gdr and the ussr. Capitalism can also descend into fascism. Usually will happen when the ruling class feels threatened. The us is showing symptoms of this (banning protesting. Spreading propaganda. Building military forces)
Capitalism negated feudalism, socialism negates capitalism, communism negates socialism.
It’s socialism or barbarism!
@CactusMan You do you know that the US interfered with Venezuela. Venezuela is used a scapegoat for people with no understanding of what’s going or wanting to cling to their ignorance.
It’s hardly a pipe dream things change. I’m sure supporters of feudalism said the same kind of things to capitalist back when capitalism was trying to take hold. Capitalism failed many times.
Capitalist and scalpers exploit supply and demand. Because controlling the supply increases demand which increases profits
Having an abundance doesn’t create profit people get disinterested in products they can buy at anytime. Limited editions that aren’t limited have little resale value.
Psycology plays a part too. How many people want something because it’s limited. If it wasn’t limited would you really want it?
@GamerGrandpa He may have older siblings. I am 42 and my Dad turned 88 a couple of weeks ago, I am the youngest of 5 kids with my oldest brother being 61. It is not as uncommon as you obviously believe.
@PJ301178 Hmm. I don’t think I said it was uncommon or that there was anything wrong with it, did I? I just happened to be watching my granddaughter that day and was just thinking it funny if I was just now having one of my kids, who have both been grown for a while now. I wasn’t trying to personally offend/insult you.
@tntswitchfan68 and the fact is only 16 how was he allowed to sell on eBay or anything as they're not old enough to enter sell-buy so he's already broken the law plus I don't care if hes16 he's a prick and now will be hated for praying on desperate customers
@PJ301178 if he's using one of their accounts to sell it's false identity
@mantez that makes no sense at all then you must be stupid I would never buy off a scalper rather bury myself in hell
@Matt2018 ableist terms are not necessary and I never said you should buy from scalpers. In fact you shouldn’t.
It makes perfect sense
When supply exceeds demand you have an abundance. To move stock in abundance prices are lowered (put on clearance).
When supply doesn’t meet demand you have a shortage. Prices go higher because those may want/need the items for whatever reason and are willing to pay more. Scalpers pray on this as they buy up the already limited supply which increases demand and price further. This can also be manipulated by business to increase profit. (Nike destroying shoes for example)
@AndyC_1101 "Let’s be honest here, nobody on this site is making $110k a year."... Just curious — what makes you think there is any correlation between income and being on this site?
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