Super Seducer producer, Richard La Ruina, has announced the first two games in his "realistic seduction simulator" series won't be released on the Nintendo Switch.
In an email, Nintendo said it would not be able to release Super Seducer 1 & 2 on its digital store due to the "explicit content". Richard says he isn't "surprised" and doesn't necessarily blame Nintendo after the recent controversy surrounding Super Seducer 3.
The third entry in the series was recently banned by Steam. Epic Games and GOG refused it as well. La Ruina also happens to be the actual guy in all of these games.
Ha ha ha. What the.....?
I remember watching CallmeKevin playing these. They’re pretty stupid overall. 😂
Didn’t the guy that made these games try to start a fued with jim sterling but it failed because jim couldn’t care less?
Aren't these games super misogynistic anyway?
No great loss here.
First they removed Mario All-Stars, and now this. What will I play on my Switch Pro now?
...probably something decent instead.
Is it better to simulate being a virtual sleazeball instead of being an actual sleazeball? Or are these instructions on how to become a sleazeball? 💩
@EarthboundBenjy What are you talking about? It is a proven fact that every woman you walk up to on the street will give you their number. Every single one.
@EarthboundBenjy misogynistic cause you don't like it? No one cares about your political opinion, I'm sure some people love to play this..stop being insecure and entitled just cause you don't like this game.
@Severian Isn't the simulation better? Then nobody has to deal with it in person 😂
The game looks pretty awful, but I thought Nintendo said they wouldn't censor/ban games on Switch?
I'm never a fan of games getting refused/banned in general as I prefer to be able to make the decision for myself. Can't say that this is something I ever would have considered playing though.
lol Nintendo said "no" to a game?
don't they play this on Twitch? if can get around those hardcore woke sensors i would think Nintendo would be okay with it.
@urrutiap I too can't believe that dating sim games are made and played at all. It is just sad.
Nintendo is not the home for censorship-free gaming, despite what a lot of people keep saying.
"But the June 2019 Furukawa quote about Nintendo not censoring games..."
No, there are always going to be limits to what's permissible on console, especially a Nintendo console.
These guys just need to find a censorship-free platform or solution on PC and sell their games there.
When the producer/star of the series expected this result, that’s when it’s not worth defending.
It’s pretty clear that The Guy Game still the gives Ratings Boards, Console Manufacturers, and even Nintendo NAM Flashbacks, and for good reason:
What was the games rating?
Everything is 'misogynistic' these days. People are beyond soft.
These games are unbelievably gross and people in the comments here defending them clearly haven’t seen a single second of footage.
Imagine if it were Super Seducer producer Luther Shuster.
@nessisonett No, they just don't care.
It’s better if it isn’t on switch
I actually welcome this. I don't mind a game being naff mechanically or with challenged artwork, but I just can't see ANY worth in something like this.
@nessisonett It does look creepy, but then so are a lot of the Japanese anime games on Switch and Nintendo allows them. At least the women in this are of age. :-/
@yuwarite Switch isn't "censorship free," but they're a DAMN sight better than the competition in that regard, and host games like Omega Labyrinth and Gal Gun Returns that were disallowed by the competition. Usually the only thing Nintendo will totally disallow on Switch are porn games, which... yeah. I don't blame Nintendo for not crossing that bridge.
Which is what makes it weird that Nintendo is deplatforming this. I'd guess the sticking point is that this features sexualized depictions of actual women. If that's the standard, then Nintendo needs to come out and say it, because, based on what I've seen of these games, they're not particularly "explicit."
Super Seducer for Smash!
@anoyonmus people will still play this even if it's not on switch, so your opinion is not a loss anyway..
@EarthboundBenjy no, it's about courting women for dates. You get rejected in the game for acting like a creep. I dont see what that has to do with misogyny which means hatred or distrust of women.
C’mon people (as Biden would say). Do people actually take those games seriously? You play them for a laugh.
@Zacattack99 The Guy Game was controversial because it had footage of underage women going topless.
@nessisonett so? Mortal Kombat 11 let's you beat up on women as well as dismember them, and that's allowed on Nintendo.
I really dont see why we have a rating system at all anymore.
And nothing of value was lost.
Steam refused to sell the 3rd game
@Kurusu yup. Let us move on
I'm really happy that far fewer people are whining about this being censorship then a year or two ago.
@Ralizah Nintendo is only better than Xbox and PlayStation when it comes to censorship. Because Steam actually allows full-on porn and hentai games, with actual depiction of intercourse and gentitalia, etc. I think where Steam draws the line is at FMV/real depictions of porn and stuff that is borderline under-age (same with Nintendo).
But yeah, I don't think there is much of a solution to this issue, other than companies like Nutaku, etc, rising up on PC and becoming the go-to platform for true censorship-free gaming.
@EarthboundBenjy we're talking Fiction here (self-insert jokes aside). If games can star murderous (and in at least one case, vocally self-admitted) psychopaths, they can star mysoginists just fine. Sane audiences will only have an excursion inside the spotlight mentality and potentially a guide on what best NOT to do in this world's relationships. The very few who won't... I'd keep away even from Tetris, lest they should consider getting up on roofs and dropping bricks on people's heads. I have rather limited sympathy for anyone of any age and gender who might get wrong "influence" out of a fiction work (after all, I'm a sociopath myself), only some caustic questions for whoever was expected to teach them basic literary competence prior.
Not gonna play these, but I have seen videos of this guy on YouTube and thought the humor was hilarious!
The fact that he plays the "seducer" in his own game is so creepy and weird. I'd prefer letting everything get published though, no matter how dumb they are.
People defending these "games" are hilarious, have you even watched how the "gameplay" is? They're pretty stupid cashgrabs that only the most desperate loners with zero social skills would buy. If not even pc platforms, who tend to be much more lenient on all fronts, cared to accept these the guy shouldn't have even considered putting them on actual consoles. Also aren't you always trashing nintendo for allowing all kinds of shovelware into the eshop?
I feel sorry for the people who can't play this ... and even more sorry that they wanted to play this in the first place.
@roy130390 "Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is for good boys and girls of all ages, so Super Seducer will not be making an appearance in this game. Please forgive us."
So let me guess, the people who banned it, played it first obviously were not seduced by the game then? Or more to the point failed at seducing?!
“WAAAAAHHHH PEOPLE ARE PLAYING GAMES THAT ARENT UP TO MY EXTREMELY HIGH MORAL CODE”
-the lot of you
@yuwarite Well, yeah, I was comparing Nintendo to the other console manufacturers. The console space is VERY different from PC in that regard.
In general, anything except for porn games can come to Switch, which I think is fair.
Anyway, I just want consistent standards, which Nintendo is generally better with than Steam. Valve's messaging about allowing anything that's not illegal is great, but relatively innocuous VNs get banned from the platform frequently, even as they'll host the lowest-grade porn games. I'm glad they're trying to be an open platform where you can buy what you want, but the lack of consistency is irritating.
@Muh-ario, but it was directed by the founder of Retro Studios.
Wasn't there copyright strikes involving this game?
@Clyde_Radcliffe It shouldn't need to be said but there's a pretty clear diference between depicting sexualized fictional women vs depicting sexualized real women. The latter always comes with all kinds of legal nitpicks, like making sure your cast members are of legal age, they consented to star in the game, how much and how risky scenes would be without making it outright porn, etc. Thus it's unsurprising console makers wouldn't want anything to do with risque FMV games like this
Oh NOOO I was more excited about these games than breath of the wild 2! That's it. I'm banning nintendo games from my household, this cannot stand! #boycottnintendo
This is backwards, they got games on there with so much blood, murder and senseless violence just tons and tons of games like that, more than you could even count but a game about sex between 2 consenting adults is a big no-no. I can see something maybe if there was nudity so they don't become a porn store, but, as far as I'm aware that's not the issue with these games. It just doesn't seem fair considering what else they allow.
Never heard of it, watched a few videos and now I'm really disappointed it's not coming to switch as it looks hilarious.
Apparently, you have to walk directly up to a woman in the street, stop her and talk to her about squirrels without touching yourself. Dating has definitely changed!
@Kimyonaakuma I agree! Give them space to enjoy their kink, but probably and preferably not on Switch!
Finally proof that Nintendo have some resemblance of quality control for the eShop.
I will never be happy with a game being removed/banned/censored.
@PessitheMystic was going to say the same. Really don't know about this game or care one way or another, but hopefully in general Nintendo starts doing some more quality control. There's a ton of garbage on the eshop. But, there's also tons and tons of great games. I just wish I wasn't always sifting through the eshop and seeing tons of shovelware
There has to be a line somewhere. However I just wish that line made sense.
People are okay with intense violence and gore, drug use, murder, racism and all manner of hate.
But sexual content is where the line is drawn.
I'd never play these games, they sound incredibly stupid. However I think they're no more harmful than many of the thing that are allowed.
Kind of reminds me of We Dare on the Wii, anyone remember that one?
I was about to comment on how these games are misogynistic, but then I remembered how crazily exaggerated and wild the situations were. If anything, it teaches the player to NOT be like the main character
@LeighDappa yeah. This dude said he didn’t care about my opinion.
@PBandSmelly isn’t GTA accused for being misogynistic.
Is this the reason why GTA V won’t be on switch
@roy130390 Super Seducer's finishing Smash move would be unwanted tongue.
Who actually cares?
Having watched the Jaboody Show play these, the clear message in the games is that being misogynistic is the road to failure. You won’t get anywhere by being a creep in the games, and isn’t that a message that should be taught to more people to adopt?
This is different from GTA because it's a comedy surrounding idiots who don't know how to handle social interaction try to go on dates. Imagine if GTA with cheats on, flying tanks and stuff, was an entire dating game
I always loved the scantily clad women in the bed with him. The look on their faces, they couldn’t care less 🤣
Looks like a talentless developer trying to use controversy rather than quality gameplay to try and make some money. Like that naff fighting game where you could play as different gods from a few years ago which didn't quite manage to make it into Evo. If it was a good game with controversial content it would be different (see MW2). I hadn't heard of this before reading this article and am pretty sure I won't hear about it again afterwards.
@Letzg077 Meh, you don't need to insult someone for an opinion.
Having watched two trailers, I don't see what the big deal is. Yeah, it's kinda tasteless, notably when the protagonist seems to enter a women's locker room (although they seem to be fully clothed), and the women are dressed provocatively, but so what? The game tries to tell guys how to seduce women, not abuse them. Isn't seducing men a common practice by women?
@EarthboundBenjy Hurr durr muh soggy knees! These games are cringe pick-up artist FMVs. They're cringe, but it's nothing to get triggered over. If it's not for you, it's not for you.
No need to go labeling things, I was shocked when I showed the trailers to some chick friends of mine without context and they wanted to play it. My kneejerk reaction was "noooo, that's cringe, these are bad! Play a real game!" but instead I just rolled with it.
It's not for me, but the suppression of stuff that meets ratings board standards angers me. Freedom of speech and expression is infinitely more important than your feefees.
@arekdougy Unfortunately, being extremely judgmental is quite trendy right now. Expressing the "wrong" opinion can be social suicide.
@darkswabber He done a vague threat of killing Jim as well, Jim found it hilarious and kept using the threat clip in his videos.
@Letzg077 I cannot fathom being this passionate about being horny that you immediately get offended when someone calls something that’s genuinely misogynistic what it is. Touch grass and make eye contact.
@Facelord Do you realize consoles are closed platforms, meaning manufacturers always have the final saying on what titles they allow in them? If the dev isn't satisfied with it he can just self publish on pc where he doesn't need to be subjected to a rating system or content guidelines but it is very telling not even the much more lenient steam, gog or epic wanted the games either. That says more about the quality of the titles than the platforms themselves.
Nintendo is right to deny this game to release on Switch, we don't want game that despict women as object of desire.
Good the guy that makes these 'games' is a complete ****head
@Facelord when you release a game on a console like Switch or PS4/PS5, Nintendo/Sony give the final saying/aproval if they allow your game to be sold in they digital store, you can't simply release a game and pass over the autority of the hardware you gonna sell your game, there rules that need to be followed and this game dint followed.
@PBandSmelly If you choose to be an idiot who makes bad choices in the game, you won’t succeed or make progress. The game is designed around being appropriate and respectful as the correct choices.
@Giancarlothomaz Duh. Name one rule he broke. "The content was offensive to our coastal elite sensibilities" isn't valid. The game's cringe garbage, but these platforms rejecting it is a huge knock against them. Have some principles.
@Kr96 Regarding closed platforms, duh. Regarding quality, Steam and the Switch have allowed significantly worse games, from an objective perspective.
They can choose to reject games that they dislike, I can choose to talk smack about them over it. Rules are rules, they didn't break guidelines, their game is just disliked by most people, me included. From a principled perspective, they should've been allowed a platform.
Yeah but then you won't jump out of an exploding helicopter for Projared (yes this happens in game)
What the hell is this ***** ni te do they literally said few years later thet nintendo is going to become more open and less strict to age restrictions/ratings (cannot find the source)
I never understood these dating games to begin with. To each their own I guess.
These games sound really sketchy. And Nintendo being kid friendly, I really think it's for the best that they refused these games.
@LeighDappa thank you
@Letzg077 Do you even know what the term "entitled" means? LOL
@Chips07 They are generally less strict than on the Wii / Wii U with the Switch. You find a lot more 18+ games on Switch than before, But even "less strict" has limits.
@EarthboundBenjy it's like a dating, romance, parody sim. not a treat woman like trash sim.. from where did you get its misogynistic? it all the same with you people thia days, everything you dont agree with is racist, sexist, fascist, homophobe, transphobe or in this case, misogynistic.
There is a scene in this game where pretending that you're a homosexual is the correct answer to get a woman to like you. Read that again and tell me that there's no problem and all this hate is undeserved.
I watched Matt McMuscles play it with his wife on YouTube and it's a hell of a laugh but I do NOT think this game should be allowed on the eShop. There are so many problems with the game I don't even know where to start.
This is NOT a dating sim, don't get misinformed. This is a selection of answers you have to choose to get a girl you find attractive to have sex with you. There isn't romance here, this all plays out like a terrible start to a porno.
The guy who is in charge is absolutely awkward and though he seems quite self aware in real life he still has an unpleasant aura about him.
@Varkster I think there's no problem with it at all. It's a satire game and it's very much self aware of what it is. Everything in it is a joke and should NOT be taken seriously.
Or are you one of those easily offended softies who can't take a joke?
@urrutiap you do know that Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 is on the Switch right?! It's a lovely game. Even comes in English. It sits proudly on my shelf! 😎
@Kr96 Who cares, the game is funny
But Nintendo fans said Nintendo wasn’t going to censure or ban games lol. Today many Nintendo fans are going to get egg on their faces.
There far worse games on the eshop.
But the sensitive people above want to scream misogyny and cry that this game doesn't align with their political beliefs.
@nessisonett Not everyone is a snowflake.
Typical reactionary comments. The game probably shouldn't be banned for explicit content if it doesn't contain any, but regardless the games are probably trash. Big whoop.
I'd like to see this concept but with the genders reversed. A woman tries to seduce a bunch of men. Starring Brie Larson.
The comments read like a hot mess of contradictions and false equivalences.
On one hand we have the typical freedom of expression, no to censorship argument advocates. So many of them typically follow this up with a declaration demanding people stop complaining and criticising the game based on any moral or political narrative. So basically don’t express yourself.
We have the just a joke defence. His brand involves books on how to “pick up women” the game is an extension of his established brand. It’s not a joke but more of an extension of his grift - to push a narrative on boys/men who may feel lonely /clueless in social interactions with women.
The argument that those with critiques are sensitive is weak. Often, it’s because people can’t adequately argue against the points being made. These comments often read as someone who is deeply triggered that anyone would have something to complain about.
He can advocate that men should engage in creepy behaviour all day long and I can criticise it all day long. We both have that right.
Nintendo has the right to set its own TOS. That’s pure capitalism which I know a lot of you would die for.
Could we have Hunie Pop instead?
I want to address the responses I've been getting for my initial comment in this comment section.
I want to apologise for judging a game with such harsh criticism when I barely know anything about it.
If the game actually tackles its subject matter with more tact and grace than I gave it credit for, then that's great. I only had first-glance impressions and small, vague amounts of information I picked up here and there to go from.
I don't really plan on researching about this game all that much more because it doesn't interest me in the slightest.
I am all for freedom of artistic expression in games. And I do understand the distinction between the creators of a game and the characters within the game - a game ABOUT a bad person is NOT a game made BY or made FOR bad people. I understand that too.
And when it comes to more raunchy or lewd content, I'm all for it - I have played and enjoyed Senran Kagura and Omega Labyrinth and all the other silly moe-moe games, and I generally dislike censorship overall.
However, this particular game gave off really sleazy and unplesant vibes to me. Just the way it presents itself feels manipulative and mean-spirited. I had vaguely heard about the content of this game previously, and so I made a very harsh accusation from basically no knoweldge. And for that I apologise.
This game is likely not actually misogynistic, but it sure as heck is not the kind of game I want to have anything to do with regardless.
I'm sorry for my initial hasty and not very well-thought-out comment.
@Heavyarms55 - Gotta get those morality flavored internet points somewhere.
Honestly, if this game can exist, it should so I can mock it. And so should the room for one like this of ANY sexual orientation... So I can mock it.
@nessisonett It doesn’t matter if it’s gross or disturbing or a completely terrible game. Censorship is problematic if this is the actual case here (it’s still unclear). You might not remember this but they tried to ban Gran Theft Auto. Anyways, what’s actual worse saying something sexist, someone having sec or shooting someone’s head off or knifing them in the back? You can make a much better argument that violence is actual a bigger problem then sexual content. Want to open up that can of worms?
@GrailUK The problem always is who gets to decide? I would rather decide for myself what games are garbage and vote with my money. Also think about how strange this decision is. There are hundreds of movies with far more nudity, sexual content and nudity and nobody says ban those movies right? Put actual less risqué content into a game and you say ban it? Why not just don’t play, don’t watch it, or don’t listen to it? I wanna know if you comfortable letting someone else make decisions for you about what you can and cannot see? And who would you pick to make those decisions for you?
@thinkhector But then there’s a clear difference between The Human Centipede and Taxi Driver when it comes to artistic merit. And between Carry on Camping and hardcore porn. ‘Violence is bad too’ just doesn’t cut it as a defence. If you’re looking for an equivalent in terms of violence then I don’t believe Hatred should have been allowed release on the eShop either. Mowing down civilians as essentially a domestic terrorist just crosses a certain line.
@thinkhector Well, I can't argue that, mate. I mean, I sure as heck wouldn't like to be the one to make the decisions. I suppose it's an issue when the impending waves of folk looking forward to this 'game' join the discussion. They must be furious.
I just generally don't understand the need for something like this when the internet and a certain site that starts with "p" exists.
@nhSnork I’d agree with your point here but they are marketed as “educational” - encouraging you to try these techniques out in real life.
On the one hand, I worry about the possible precedent being set by denying the games a platform.
On the other hand, seen videos of them and honestly this ain’t a hill I’m willing to fall on.
@Clyde_Radcliffe wait... are games not censored on switch? Aren’t there some Nekopara on Switch? There is no way those aren’t censored haha
@thinkhector people often give violence more of a pass than sexual content. I think because sex is inherently more awkward to talk about within families. And parents and family really should be the ones to make the decision on what content is acceptable.
On the other hand, people who argue that media doesn’t influence youth, are most likely very young or a stupid adult.
All that said, I’ll take the job of censorship for the good of my country and people. I trust me to make the right decisions.
@EarthboundBenjy its okay, i give you major props for humbling yourself. It can be easy to get caught up in hearsay nowadays, ive been guilty of it myself.
Don't these games give you the option to try and "physically" restrain your targets, even if it's considered game over results? Fanservice is one thing, but some things just go too far.
Dishonest take. First off the game doesn't advocate for "creepy" behavior, in fact it punishes you for it. If basic courtship of women is somehow creepy, then i guess prostitution is moral. I'd like to see some actual proof from within the game where it advocates this instead of just hearsay hyperbole.
Second, nobody is saying you can't criticize the game, you can hate it openly all you want. The only criticism people like you are getting is that you feel the need to be the arbiters of what games are morally acceptable to be on sale or not.
Finally, capitalism is when the consumer demand dictates the market, not when multi billion dollar corporations do, this is closer to fascism which is why people complain about it in the first place. If we already have a rating system, then companies have no reason to be concerned with the content of this game, especially when games like Last Of Us 2 or MK11 are allowed to be on sale, despite depicting way more graphic content.
@Muh-ario Are you, with a straight face, calling the lack of Super Seducer on the eShop ‘fascism’?
DeShaun Watson was looking forward to playing this to pass the time during football season.
@nessisonett OP said its capitalism when companies dictate what the consumers should buy, by definition thats closer to the part of Fascism where the government centralizes all businesses and dictates the market instead of the consumers.
If I were to give this example a more accurate label, it would be corporatism.
If they changed the name to Super Empowerer, they probably would have received the tick of approval.
Like how they changed the name of Bully to Canis Canem Edit in some markets (such a moronic name) to alleviate some of the controversy of the provocative title, but it was eventually re-released as Bully: Scholarship Edition internationally with little issue.
@Muh-ario ......you don’t know what fascism means do you.
@nessisonett it’s clear you don’t.
@konbinilife Singling out the centralisation of the market as being ‘fascist’ shows a supreme lack of understanding of basic politics. It’s not in any way unique to fascism and funnily enough is 100% seen more in Communist dictatorships. It’s reductio ad Hitlerum at best, sheer idiocy at worst.
@CactusMan I'd like to monitor my own content thanks.
@nessisonett i think it was more to do with the censorship and controlling what people are or are not allowed to view/comsume etc.
@konbinilife Which is not exclusive to fascism. It would be seen in any totalitarian society regardless of political persuasion. Thought it was the ‘snowflakes’ who were supposed to be labelling everything as fascist.
@Ralizah Yeah, I agree about the lack of consistancy. But unless I'm wrong, I think even those innocuous VNs and games ("Evenicle 2", "Bokuten: Why I Became An Angel", "Taimanin Asagi", "Hello, Good-bye") that were rejected on Steam weren't allowed on Switch, either. Some of them were also relisted on Steam.
Nintendo fans really will argue about anything, huh?
@EarthboundBenjy They aren't. I know how common it is to judge stuff without seeing it for one's self, but after playing 1 & 2 on steam, they're just silly FMV games with adult and sexual humour.
Outrage culture is pure toxicity for all involved. Get over yourselves, people.
This is not censorship.
This is so funny idk why people are mad or arguing over this 😆
@Judgedean Lol not making this comment for a political reason, but I feel like "c'mon people" is a pretty common saying
@sanderev whats so 18+ about super seducer? 😂 it’s a game full of dull jokes and made of sarcastic puns
No. Your post reveals the number one issue with people who don’t like to hear criticism
, you interject yourself personally into the argument that has nothing to do with you personally.
I say “I think this game is creepy and morally suspect”
You say “why are you the arbiter of morality or/and what is on sale” it’s as if you feel personally judged because you don’t have a problem with the game or content he puts out. It’s not about you.
Did I sign a petition to ban the game? Am I a top exec at Nintendo with influence? Did I criticise those like his games or books. Did I declare myself superior to them. NO I DID NOT
Comment #153 is the kind of comment I was referring to (which you claim isn’t a thing) there are a number of these above my comments
I didn’t technically even state my position. I simply defended my right to critique a game the same as those who harp on about freedom of expression. I highlighted the contradiction to expose the weak argument used to shut debate down.
For clarity I do think all pick up artists are creepy men teaching others to be predatory and making society a little more unsafe for women. Please note, this opinion doesn’t critique yours or anyone’s relationship to pick up artists. You could make an educated guess how I feel but you don’t actually have the answer.
In my last post I touched on how the game is an extension of his brand, including the books he has published. In his book he promotes techniques I would say are predatory such as negging and increased physical contact. The game cannot be ringfenced from the rest of his work because it’s the same branding and subject matter. So saying the game is just fun or a joke seems silly to me.
You don’t understand capitalism is all I can say to your last point. You have this naive idea that it’s a purely democratic system of delivering goods to people. Companies have always concerned themselves with reputation and image - to sell more. It’s the reason there are little to no porn games on consoles. Why Nintendo added no political messaging allowed in online animal crossing so that the potential sale of the game in China wasn’t affected. It’s partly why gay representation was almost non existent for many decades in tv and film etc etc. By your understanding we have been living with capitalism fascism our whole lives (whatever that means lol)
Sounds like absolute tripe but can't it just go on the shop with a warning?
@meeto_1 did you play pokemon sword and shield? Have you heard of the controversy about the "national pokedex" being cut? I bet you're one of those people that says stop complaining and stop being ungrateful to gamefreak? if so then you're a hypocrite and your words are non sense and of no substance.
@Letzg077 I don’t even know how to respond to this. This is insane.
You just randomly use a straw man argument completely unrelated to the topic. That’s wild but also kind of audacious. I almost respect it.
I’m going to assume you’re not familiar with the term because of the wild and obvious example you just used so here:
“having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the proper idea of the argument under discussion was not addressed or properly refuted.”
Eg: don’t state my positions for me without any proof just to win an argument or invalidate my position. And if you must at least stay on topic. If you ever have children in the future please don’t teach them about the birds and the bees whilst referencing the mating practices of Pokémon.
PS not everything deserves the same level of response. A debate about how we teach men to interact with women in ways that could cause harm is not on the same level as a debate on what gen Pokémon are included in a game. It is truly sad to me that you see an equivalence in these two topics.
@Blooper987 Kevin made those games fun lmao, even gave free advertisement to this monstrosity
Why did I see comments about fascism as I was scrolling down? What has this reply section come to?
@meeto_1 just answer the question have you ever bashed someone for wanting to bring back all the Pokédex? It's a yes or no answer? If it's a yes then you're nothing but a contrarian who likes to contradict others for your own entertainment rather than actually believe in something....people like you are usually non sense and a waste of time.
I’m going to entertain this just this once.
No, I haven’t openly criticised people online or in person for being upset about the missing Pokémon. I didn’t care enough. The argument was about digital creatures and my comments today are about who real humans interact with one another and what we teach young men.
Even if I had criticised people over Pokémon that isn’t proof I’m contrarian because the two issues are not comparable in the slightest.
That’s my last response to you because I can’t debate children.
@meeto_1 ok cool stop bashing people & labeling them for wanting to play this game, your opinion is not absolute truth of moral and justice, people are allowed to play and enjoy it even if others don't like it.. it's just a "game" not a life altering life lesson towards men.
I have no issue with the game as it's just a game. I have an issue with the guy because he has created it and is clearly a disgusting creep. I'm glad I live in a age where people stand up against this behaviour. Just a little while longer now before it is wiped out entirely and people like this guy disappear.
@Letzg077 sorry, but this response is part of the problem. You're basically saying ""turn a blind eye". People have turned a blind eye for decades... enough now. Time to end this behaviour.
The hyper defensiveness is strong in this thread. Anybody trying to defend the game from "supression" or "censorship" is misinformed. You're being played like a fiddle (I suppose he is the super seducer, after all). Richard La Ruina's games aren't erased from existence, there just not available in all stores. Nobody owes this schmuck anything. Meanwhile he's going to gain publicity from an audience trying to position him as a victim. You want to give him your cash? Go ahead.
I don't think people on here are defending these games, they are simply stating they would prefer free choice to decide what games they want to see on the e-Shop, and also there seems to be certain things like violence in games that's allowed, as long as the rating is appropriate, so why not this.
I think the games look awful and have no desire to play them, but I can't force my personal preferences on others, and say people who want to play these games can't.
It's being suppressed on this console though, and there are many other adult themed games on the e-Shop so why does this one get treated any differently, nothing about defending the game or it's content, and as I sated I have no wish to play it, but if others want to then that should be possible, and they should have a choice.
If of course Nintendo had a policy where all adult erotic themed content was not published on the e-Shop then it would be a different matter, but signaling out certain games and content seems a strange move.
@horizoniki You clearly missed the part of the comment where I said I laughed watching someone play it. I think the game is hilarious but I don't like the creator and I don't think the game deserves a spot on the eShop.
Considering the creator openly attacks other creators on social media and sh*t talks anyone criticising his games doesn't give him much likeability especially when the games he made are literal fuel for starting fires on the internet. He's a smart manipulator trying to make as much money and garner as much attention off his garbage as he can.
Everyone in this comment section should get off their high horse with their "can't you take a joke" bullsh*t. The comment section is for opinions and I gave mine. Instead of attacking mine make up your own.
im glad we as a community can talk about how we want/dont want to play super seducer on switch. at least the sequel plays off more as a joke, being more self aware with more absurd scenarios. and lol letzgo on full on attack mode with added pokemon talk
@EarthboundBenjy Oooh no, misogyny! Probably racism, transphobia, and ageism too! What a nightmare! Lmao.
@meeto_1 I dont see how I personally interjected myself? Seems like projection since you feel like it's a game that teaches sexual abuse and should be removed and then hide behind "muh capitalism" to make others think you support this from a pure business perspective and not an emotional one.
I dont care for PUA stuff, but I can still defend the game by saying it doesnt promote anything illegal, in fact the game actually dissuades and punishes you for acting aggressive or creepy towards women, so I dont see a problem with it, especially since Twitches and YTs strict rules dont think its illegal lol.
Again I have no problem if you hate the game or think the guy is just fleecing money from lonely guys, I'm just saying it's no true to say hes promoting illegal behavior or that his games content crosses some kind of line when far more graphic stuff is allowed to be sold on the platforms it was banned on, including Nintendo which is why I say this is a double standard more than a smart business decision. The game has 0 pornography in it, but steam still has tons of hentai simulators.
Also yes, free market capitalism in theory is where consumer demand dictates the market, mega corporations imposing their standards on a market they have a total monopoly over is corporatism. Google it I guess.
So apparently they got slapped with an AO rating, huh? Well, what do you expect? Adult only games have always been soft-banned in most countries, especially on video game consoles.
@johnvboy Nintendo said it would allow it only if it got the proper rating, so obviously this one is so much worse than the others that it couldn't even manage an M rating but got an AO rating instead. All major console makers (past and present) have always banned AO games from appearing on their consoles.
Fair enough, and in that case not for the platform.
Yay! I don’t these things any where near my switch...
At this point we are having different conversations. I never once talked about the legality of his content or mentioned the word sexual abuse. Predatory is not a simile of sexual abuse. I was very careful with what words I used yet you came away from my written statement with positions I never stated or believe or remotely implied.
In my first post I wrote “that’s pure capitalism which I know many of you would die for”
I don’t know how you could read that and not pick up on the obvious sarcasm. I was making fun of people who approach such a topic with their idea of pure objectivity like they are the next Jordan Peterson. But whatever. To say I’m hiding behind a capitalism argument when I explicitly wrote in my response to you that I find PUA creepy is wild.
Citing YT and twitch means nothing to me. They are social media platforms with their own TOS. Playing a game as opposed to watching someone play a game and apply commentary are two different things. With the amount of antisemitism, white nationalism running wild on YT I don’t see it as an example of a strict TOS. that’s just me though so. ..
I see no equivalence between games that depict graphic sex and the ideology of coercing women to date/sleep with you. I have no hang ups about nudity or consensual sex. If grown adults want media that deals with that then fine. There are games on Nintendo platforms that seem obsessed with sexualising pubescent girls which I also think is gross. I have said as such but those two issues can exist at the same time. I’m not sure why I can’t voice my opinion on this because there is other questionable content out there.
Capitalism does not operate in an objective bubble. Small and large businesses have always responded to public demand including the morality of the day. That’s why the NFL tried to originally clamp down on BLM protests from their players to appease their large white fan base and why Nike chose Kapernick to be their ambassador to appeal to their large black user base. Both sides cashing in on the moral stance of their base. What Nintendo did does not meet the definition of Corporatism. Part of its definition is that it is a political system. Japan is a parliamentary system with the same capitalist economy like mine.
So let’s leave it their you can continue to defend the game and simultaneously accuse me of making wild accusations about the game I never said, never wrote, never implied. And I will critique the content and hope in the future I come across someone who is capable of addressing the points being made and not everything else.
I won't lie, I'm somewhat curious as to what would be denied a release on Steam.
Less curious about how these games are even games, however.
Yep, murdering people, torturing people, totally fine to have in a video game. But suggest somebody treat a woman badly...
@BulbasaurusRex Thank you for posting that. It's that simple - game has an AO rating, so putting it on the eshop would violate Nintendo's policy. Thread over....?
@johnvboy I get what you were saying that, AO rating aside, Nintendo refusing to list a game would be putting themselves in a precarious spot. It gives the impression that they rejected it for moral reasons, and with that comes backlash. I may think these games are wet, hot, garbage - but I can see where someone who likes them feels like they're being...mistreated maybe? Regardless, it's Nintendo's call. It's their storefront and they can decide what they want to sell. That is a form of expression itself.
Totally agree the game sounds a waste of time, and I think it's the rating that has prevented it's inclusion into the Switch e-Shop.
I do think most on here are debating outside that point though, as it seems to be some suggesting the game should not be allowed due to some moral outrage or other, as the thread seems to be a case of certain people not liking a certain type of game, then suggesting nobody else should either.
@johnvboy It certainly seems like that can of worms has been opened. I....don't have much of an opinion I guess. I grew up in the 90s and I feel like there used to be a saying something like "Don't like it? Don't buy/watch/play it". I may not like it, but I don't have to play it. I think the back-and-forth we're witnessing isn't even about the game anymore 😕
Exactly, a lot of entertainment I do not personally like, but if other people do it's up to them, and as you say if you do not like it, don't buy/play it.
These games are unbelievably great and people in the comments here attacking them clearly haven’t seen a single second of footage
@Varkster “everyone in this comment section should get off their high horse”
That’s a completely valid opinion you got here pal!
But oh well, okay. Everyone here should get off their high horse. Everyone, but you.
This stupid Game gets so much Attention by getting banned... Way more it would have gotten if it were just released and being ignored because it is stupid.
@meeto_1 "The comments read like a hot mess of contradictions and false equivalences.
On one hand we have the typical freedom of expression, no to censorship argument advocates. So many of them typically follow this up with a declaration demanding people stop complaining and criticising the game based on any moral or political narrative. So basically don’t express yourself."
That isn't a false equivalence at all. But speaking of them...
There is something called freedom of expression. This is a thing that exists. American society is built around (among other things) the placement of a high value upon it and other individual liberties, to the extent that freedom of expression is considered a basic fundamental right, whereas in other countries that lean more collectivist/police state (Britain, Canada, Germany/the rest of the EU, China, et al) it is considered to be neither a basic nor fundamental right, and in its place in, say, Britain, would be the concept that protecting non-Europeans from mean words or criticism is a basic, fundamental right. Such countries have hate speech laws (which are wildly imbalanced and favor darker-hued or more kosher minorities over native Brits, as "equal protection under the law" is also not a right that a place like Britain values), and in turn America has freedom of expression.
If cultural marxist twitter admirers desire to enact policies or take actions (either de facto or de jure) which would violate the Constitution, or any rights/liberties/freedoms that the Constitution officially recognizes to be God-given and provides guarantee that they shall not be infringed upon, it is important to stop these cultural marxists. And before the "government versus private companies" defense is trotted out: Big Tech, Hollywood, and the 6 corporations that control the entire mainstream news industry effectively operate a cartel (not a monopoly as many believe, but a cartel where most members, be it Facebook, Google, Twitter, etc. have a monopoly in each of the fields they operate over, and they do not compete with each other, but rather actively collude with one another) that effectively acts as a collection of de facto government agencies - in true cyberpunk dystopian fashion, naturally. As such, the argument commonly made by certain right-leaning individuals that Twitter, youtube, etc. effectively are the modern version of a town square (especially since they enjoy special privileges and perks because they declare themselves to be platforms instead of publishers), and thus they must not be allowed to censor their userbase, holds a great deal of merit. That this cartel colludes to unfairly eliminate competitors such as Parler or Bitchute in a highly coordinated manner (with google removing them from the play store and refusing to display advertisements from adsense on these sites, the news media smearing them as istaphobes, and Amazon refusing to host Parler on their servers) is proof that the threat this cartel poses to the people and the liberties they enjoy is worse than any monopoly in America's history.
Totalitarianism should be fought against, and the fact that freedom of expression exists does not mean that cultural marxists and neo-bolsheviks that wish to subvert and destroy the West and replace it with Soviet Union 2.0 should not be called out, taken to task, insulted, mocked, ridiculed, verbally/textually pimpslapped and "murdered by words". As your ilk often take delight in pointing out, freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequences, and if communists wish to subvert, undermine and destroy from within the values of individual liberties that American society has traditionally held sacred on their downtime from posting to twitter about how white people should be put in cages and that anyone who doesn't agree with Kamala the Ugandan VP should be sent to a re-education camp, they need to taste their own cancel culture. If you want to put forth disingenuous trash and attempt to argue that those who aren't on the far left should stand idly by as cultural marxists work to dismantle the Constitution, you can suck it.
Of course Nintendo is a different story, as they (to my knowledge) have never declared themselves to be a platform instead of a publisher to maneuver around certain laws, so my comment is off-topic to this news article, and in large part so was yours. My preceding statements weren't aimed at Nintendo, they were just a response to (and refutation of) your disingenuous assclownery.
To steer this on topic: this is a bad faith move by Nintendo, and they risk losing both credibility and good will from fans and customers who either admired Nintendo's gesturing and posturing toward being open instead of censor happy (and were under the impression that it meant Nintendo had integrity), or sought refuge in Nintendo from Sony's recent censorship of Japanese games (which likely was the result of Sony moving their headquarters to Commiefornia). As Disney is currently finding out, "Get Woke, Go Broke" is a saying for a good reason. Between Sony joining the Church of Woke and the recent huge middle finger they gave to their fans/supporters and customer/consumer base with regards to the Vita and PS3 stores being shut down, along with the discovery that the PS4 has a built-in time bomb with its CMOS, they have given Nintendo and Microsoft a window of opportunity to steal their business; but if Nintendo is going to behave like this, they're going to have trouble poaching potential customers. Gamers are traditionally a based, politically incorrect crowd, which is why the kotaku/polygon style faux-gaming media still uses Gamergate as a boogeyman to this day, and Nintendo has an opportunity at a somewhat untapped market of these gamers, as well as an opportunity to help turn Sony's game division into the next Sega or Atari, but when Nintendo makes decisions like this they screw up that opportunity.
@BuhBuhBuhBanned it rocks honestly
@EarthboundBenjy Women seduce too ya know... stop virtue signaling.
Ok I've deleted comments related to the weird never ending "no u" back and forth with a certain user.
Let's please not being it up again.
If there's other comments you consider need to be removed, be sure to report them and I'll check them.
@Spiders that actually sounds even more reassuring - putting "educational label" on games like these can eloquently pitch them for the same league as Sasha Baron Cohen movies.😄 Or, at worst, as Plumbers Don't Wear Ties.
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