Random: Hey, There's Also A Smash Mod That Keeps Fire Emblem Content And Removes Everything Else

So for anybody that asked for this yesterday, uh, here you go.

When looking at this: There's actually not that much Fire Emblem content in smash.

Could be a lot more if you'd ask me!

I honestly wouldn't hate a dedicated FE fighting game.

As I said in the other thread, it's ludicrous that there's so many similar and boring Fire Emblem characters and not a single Toad in any of the games! 😔

What does Sakurai have against Toad? Such an iconic and well known character to be excluded for so long. I'd love one where you could change the skin to Toadsworth, Toadette etc...

Only 7 characters? Street Fighter 2 made 8 the bare minimum!

Rubbish,

(/s)

@Friendly
Yeah everyone keeps forgetting that Fire Emblem really only gets representation through its characters and nothing else.

Legend of Zelda has loads of items and like 8 or so stages that represent major locations from each of its games. Wind Waker (Pirate Ship), Majora's Mask (Great Bay), TP (Bridge of Eldin), SS (Skyloft), BOTW (Great Plateau Tower), and so on. Pokemon and Mario also get stages that represent various games in their respective franchises as well.

Fire Emblem meanwhile, gets stages that don't really represent anything at all. Castle Siege and Coliseum are just generic locations found throughout the franchise while Arena Ferox is the only stage that's from an actual location in an actual game in the series. Garreg Mach is the only other one to do so but that leaves FE with only two actual stages that mean something while the other two could easily be from any other game series.

Oh and Fire Emblem also has only one item. ONE. The Killing Edge. It's so disappointing when they could've added things like the Devil Axe/Sword that deals heavy damage but also self-damage, randomized tomes/spells, or hammers. But no. FE only gets one item despite having loads of cool bits of weaponry throughout the series that you can equip on your characters.

In short, Fire Emblem gets lots of playable representation because its lacking in every other regard. No items and no significant stages. Sure the music/spirit selection is good, but just about every other first-party Nintendo franchise has good music/spirits to pick from. I'm getting sick of this sort of thing because it only creates a further divide between Fire Emblem fans and Smash Bros fans. Why can't we just accept the game how it is and just don't use the characters we don't like?

Representation is more than just about who's playable.

Now I want a mod that removes everything

@mariomaster96 we need a mod to add Mario.

@VoidofLight @Alpha008 Yep he is good at doing that.

I have never played a fire emblem game. I'm sure these characters are interesting to some, but for me, they are all the same generic character; an effeminate knight with floppy hair.

@Moistnado
In all fairness, the Fire Emblem series is an RPG series. It's extremely difficult to gain information about who these characters are when each of their games is easily 80-100 hours long each. It's not going to be easy to translate one's personality from these types of games into a crossover game where talking and interaction is fairly limited.

Other RPG characters like Shulk and Cloud suffer from this as well. Shulk is loud and excitable in this game, yet in Xenoblade Chronicles, he's an eccentric gearhead that takes time to think about his decisions and only gets heated in battle. Cloud is self-explanatory because he comes off as a complete edgelord in this game (no thanks to being Japanese only) when in Final Fantasy VII, he's just a laid-back guy that doesn't want the world to end.

Likewise, the FE characters have their own personalities and lengthy stories that just can't be conveyed all that much due to the limited nature of this game. Robin is a tactician who prioritizes numbers and skill in a war setting, Ike is a rough yet chill mercenary who wants to avenge his father, and Roy is a 15-year-old pacifist who doesn't want to fight at all, but has no choice to save his people. They are far from being the same.

I said all that to say it might be in your best interest to try the Fire Emblem games out for yourself. Then you might have a newfound appreciation for the series and its characters. If you have a 3DS, I recommend Awakening (the game Chrom, Lucina, and Robin are from) and Three Houses (the game Byleth is from) is on the Switch. These are considered to be the best ones.

Soul calibur bros.

@JR150 I probably thought xenoblade characters were fire emblem characters. Im not into rpgs. I'm sure lots of people don't know who Ridley and Zero Suit samus is. That is a franchise im familiar with, but games are rare these days. I suppose this is a pitfall of having more franchises than they can make games for.

@Moistnado
I guess I can understand that. Regardless, it might help if you looked up who these characters are through the internet. Even if you aren't interested in their games, doing research can still help you understand why and how they aren't all the same.

Imagine if they allowed you to block certain characters from the random selection or to re-arrange the character selection page... It would be wonderful

@Donnerkebab I know who Mario is.

@Donnerkebab
Yeah it's not cool. Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, and other franchises who have very little focus on characterization in their home games won't suffer from this. But story-focused IPs like Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, and Mother are often hit hard with this. Granted, it's lesser now because they're more popular than they were 20 years ago, but it's still annoying when you hear someone label an entire franchise's characters as "generic" when they likely haven't even played the games or at least done research to justify that opinion.

Marth himself is the exact opposite of generic. His family lost a war and he was exiled from his own home. In order to take back Altea, he has to recruit anyone and everyone he can to amass an army to fight back for the sake of Archanea. Yes, he looks like a pretty-boy bishonen who would theoretically act arrogant, but he's nothing like that. He's a soldier and a leader who's willing to sacrifice everything to get back what was taken from him.

And keep in mind, his game is over 30 years old and that's not even scratching the surface of what he's done.

Obviously I'm not saying he's one of the best-written characters in fiction, but to call him and other FE characters "generic" is really reductive.

I stack my echoes so two of these don't take up space on my screen. Marth (or Lucina or Roy or Chrom), Ike, Robin, Corin and Byleth play so different from one another that it's silly to lump them together as simply "generic sword fighters". This all really makes the complainers look like they're overreacting here but what else is new. I would only bother taking out Chrom if I had to trim some fat but again he's just an echo so what does it really matter.

Not gonna lie. it would be cool to see a Fire Emblem fighting game being a real thing.
other than that, this mod is nice. if your only wanting fire emblem characters and nobody else

I wish I could do that in Quick Play online. I hate running into Kirby’s and Mii Gunners.

A true Fire Emblem fighting game would be nice if Nintendo could pull it off. Maybe had Namco work on it as well. After all Soul Calibur was a good weapon based fighting game, a Fire Emblem fighting game using the SC engine and fight style would be awesome and it's not like it won't work with Nintendo either, Link was in SCII and he plays spectacular.

Now make a mod that removes all Fire Emblem Characters and keeps everyone else. Then I'll be impressed.

Finally now we can play Smash Bros as intended by Sakurai

woops all Waluigi mod when?

Those characters all look the same. Actually there's an idea... Palette Swap Smash 👍

I like the inclusivity of these exclusions! 👍🏼

@Domino Beautiful.

Jeez people still get heated in these comment sections? Opinions, man, let people have them lol.

@GrailUK But there are 8 characters on the screen, though, and if we weren't including echo fighters, it would be 6, not 7.

@GrailUK
There's 8:
1. Marth
2. Lucina
3. Roy
4. Chrom
5. Ike
6. Robin
7. Corrin
8. Byleth

@JR150 Wanted to just offer my take, so don't reply to me.

"In short, Fire Emblem gets lots of playable representation because its lacking in every other regard."

This is not even remotely true. The other playable factors have no influence on the necessity to add more characters. If the developers were concerned about stages, items, or spirits, they'd add more stages, items, or spirits.

"Why can't we just accept the game how it is and just don't use the characters we don't like?"

You pose this like it's irrational or that people are being whiney. But it's perfectly valid reasoning that there is a greater demand than supply for new characters, and if Byleth was not added to the game, there would have been a different (possibly more interesting) DLC character. That's how game development like this works. It's not like Byleth was an added bonus.

@Marioman2020 Like my dad always says, there are 3 types of people in this world. Those that can count and those that can't.

I love it! 🥰

To echo others who have said it already, an actual Fire Emblem fighting game in the vein of Soulcalibur would be AMAZING.

@KayFiOS Yes. Erm...well done. You passed the test. Umm...OH LOOK BEHIND YOU! BAT-MAN!!!
runs away

• see above post O.<

Angry fire emblem haters incoming

Sigh. It's hard being a Fire Emblem fan, when all these haters hate on FE for no good reason. It doesn't matter if it's a new game or more representation, they'll always find a way to ruin the fun for others. Instead of being so toxic, they should find something better to do with their lives.

Remember when mods added interesting new features and such and didnt take things out of the game?

This is funnier than the other mod (both made me laugh out loud though). Fantastic stuff.

I can see Sakurai's boner from here. Basically made his perfect game.

I didn't know they were different characters. They all look and play the same.

So just 8 different colors of marth?

I only play Smash for the Fire Emblem content, so I'm okay with this! 😀👍

@DevinRex they did yesterday lol

Super Sword fighters!

Any further FE content should just be re-skins of existing characters like Bowser Jr. or Olimar's costumes.

@JR150 As much as I like the FE characters.
Lucina Marth Chrom and Roy all have extremely similar movesets it's hard to justify them all. Even with 2 being echos.
It's not really their personalities I think people hate but more the lack of moveset diversity for those 4. Granted the Echo's traits make them play very differently and Marth and Roy do feel different.

But at face value they seem the same. And a lot of them look very similar.

@VexingInsanity
I suppose. But you could also argue the same for Dr. Mario, Pichu, the Links, and Falco and Wolf still sharing Fox's moveset. Clones are not an FE exclusive problem. They're everywhere on the roster. Not to mention echoes like Daisy, Dark Samus, and Richter have absolutely zero differences from their parent characters (Peach, Samus, and Simon). At the very least, Lucina and Chrom at least have SOME difference in playstyle from their original counterparts.

Marth deals extra damage at the tip of his sword so he requires more spacing. Lucina has his damage values equalizes across her sword so it's much easier to score KOs but offering less combo potential.

Roy deals extra damage at the hilt of his sword so he's a rushdown character like Little Mac or Sonic--despite having a sword. Chrom has Roy's damage value equalized and also has his own variation of Ike's up+B, making him play differently as well.

Daisy, Dark Samus, and Richter have no meaningful differences whatsoever and should be put under a more critical lens that is often misguided to Fire Emblem--who at least tries to put variation on similar characters.

And regardless, Ultimate is "Everyone Is Here." Whether you like them or not, all previous characters had to return for this game so Roy and Lucina simply could not have been cut. Chrom may seem unnecessary, but a lot of people were requesting him since he's arguably the most important character in Awakening and the Smash 4 trailer for Robin/Lucina upset many of his fans. Whether or not we wanted them doesn't matter because it's ultimately Nintendo's decision.

As far as looking similar, there's not much that can be done there. Fire Emblem is a series with its own style, so of course characters from that series are going to look similar to each other. One can argue that it's a good thing because it makes the characters more recognizable since it's not easy to forget what franchise they hail from. You're not going to mistake Ike or Robin for a Mario, Pokemon, or Zelda character because they match the medieval aesthetic of Fire Emblem. It's a franchise dedicated to more grounded interaction between human characters--not colorful monster creatures that have radically different designs. It's not Fire Emblem's fault that its characters are all humanoid. That's just how it is. That'd be like complaining Dissidia Final Fantasy or Persona/4 Arena's characters are too similar-looking when most of them are also anime-styled humans.

I think a key thing people may miss here is that no one is "hating" on Fire Emblem (for the most part, at least). You can enjoy Fire Emblem while also being of the opinion that Fire Emblem may have a few too many playable characters in Smash Bros. that aren't incredibly noteworthy or appropriate for inclusion in a title that is essentially a video game "hall of fame" in the format of a fighting game. It's challenging to go without characters as basic, tenured, well-known, and appropriate for a fighting game like Knuckles or Doomguy while entirely new, practically unknown characters like 'Byleth' are accounted for. There are famous characters, many from under-utilized Nintendo series, who would be incredibly suited to the fighting game format players have wanted to see in Smash Bros. for decades who are not yet in, while characters introduced in a 2019 game that few players will recognize are included (for advertising reasons rather than fan demand, in Byleth's case). When even the game's director agrees with the observation, it's clear the issue is a legitimate one.

Trash like this is why I stay away from the Smash community. I just like to enjoy the game no matter what new characters get added. (Even if it's a character I'll end up hating to play against.)🙄

@SegaDisneyUniverse
This is the only good mentality to have. It's just a game, after all.

So, guess I'll throw in my two cents as well. My FE history is I got that eShop English release of the first game before Nintendo nuked it because people shouldn't have fun, went 5 turns before Marth got killed then never touched it again. Beyond that its just been Smash and liking that one soundtrack that plays for Roy in Melee when he's on the Zelda 2 stage. That's about it.

It seems to me the FE representation in Smash needs to be nuked from orbit and start over. Beyond Marth being as basic as he is well reflective of his NES origins, all these picks that are in Smash are way too same-y while also largely neglecting the whole point of Fire Emblem's gameplay and design. Now, that's not a FE-exclusive issue, Samus is here being very un-Samus until retroactive continuity brought us Metroid: Other M's combat and it started a community World War III over other issues. But beyond the "Hall of Fame" aspect Smash has evolved into, it should be foremost a showcase of characters reflective of their game's original design. The Dragon Quest Hero does this phenomenally. The Fire Emblem choices here are....Marth. 8 times thematically. Where's your flying horses? Your big beefy meat shields? You have Pokemon Trainer filling in for Red and Leaf with three options covering a major aspect of their series, where's the all-in-one platoon FE character/s?

Is this likely? Not really. I have personal preferences to change not just who's in the game series but tweak pretty much every single character, and realize its never gonna happen. But I will say Smash has done a great job at turning me away from wanting to explore Fire Emblem further, and looking into anyways it I find the FE crowd should probably be expecting more from the actual representation other than the number count of characters. Though if you ask me, it still is exceedingly bizarre it comes remotely in Pokemon or Mario's range, or ever Zelda's for that matter.

Or, you know, just let Sakurai make his dream Fire Emblem fighting game already he's been daydreaming about through Smash.

@Clod You played 5 minutes of a 30 year old and made a blanket judgement. Your opinion on the subject means nothing.

@Maulbert Thanks for the positivity. If that was all there was to it then you'd have a point. But this series has been around in Smash almost as long as the Smash series has existed and I've seen enough of its comings and goings over the years, just none firsthand until this recent....whatever Nintendo was on about with the first game's limited time release. I've seen people rave on and on about this Lyndis girl being the best of the series and all these units types and noteworthy characters like Hector glazed over in favor of vanilla base boredom Hero classes thrown in this game. Or would you tell me everyone loves the Hero class to the point the rest are ignorable?

I'm not going to say the game I played was all that fun nor looking at other entries seem to sway me much in another direction, but it doesn't take a deep examination that the FE crowd's getting a bad deal out of their representation. If you enjoy what Smash is offering though, by all means, have at it. I'd personally rather they cut the cast in half and get a polled top-tier option of the best, say, four classes and the best reps amongst those across the games. Assumedly Marth as the Hero is reserved space.

Now this is just getting silly.

Until/unless Sakurai decides and finds a way to insert Florina and Tiki, there will never be enough Fire Emblem reps anyway, so why argue?😜

@Friendly

In 1999 this could be an entire game.

@Menardi

Well said.
Do happen to have the quote/source where Sakurai acknowledges this?

@JR150

Yeah, I think characters are more important representation than items.
I think really if you were being honest, you do to.
And 4 is not an insignificant amount of stages.

Regarding the characters being from an RPG, Smash is a fighting game, the characters should look and play distinctively. If they don't translate well from RPG, that's less reason to include so many of them. A character shouldn't require 80-100 hours of play in their game of origin to justify inclusion; look at Captain Falcon.

@JR150 agreed!

@Friendly 8 is a lot. It's also got more music and more spirits than most Nintendo series.

A different character, a different excuse.

@Clyde_Radcliffe Believe me, I think toad would be a good addition, but generally toads are a very "background" or npc type of character, and there really aren't any characters like that in smash besides piranha plant, who is a joke character and also happens to have more interesting moves potential

@Clyde_Radcliffe I rather not hear him screaming 24/7.

@Marioman2020 : I suppose you could add another four if counting variants of the characters (opposite sex Robin/Corrin/Byleth and young Ike).

A perfectly missed opportunity for making the male and female versions into separate character slots, what a shame.

@Friendly Lyn for Smash!

@LEGEND_MARIOID yes please

I've never been someone to complain too much about Fire Emblem characters in Smash. It's a popular game that I don't play that's owned by Nintendo.

I think some of the frustration just comes from the fact that there are other characters that could be included from other franchises. Personally I'd love to see Terra from FF6, or Frog from Chrono Trigger, if they're gonna add somebody from an RPG that has a sword.

Also really Mario, Zelda, Pokemon and Fire Emblem are the only series with more than 4 reps. (I sent the number at 4 because otherwise if I said 3 I'd have to acknowledge Metrio which got half their reps this game.)

There are several franchises that really deserve more representation than Fire Emblem. Sonic really should have Tails and Knuckles as playable (and Sonic's moveset should be redone after Sakuri has a chance to play Sonic 3&K). Mega Man should also have Mega Man X or at least Zero.

If you look based on unit sailes for series that have any sort of connection to Nintendo consoles, both Sonic and Mega Man should really have more representation, and I suspect both Sega and Capcom would welcome the chance to license their characters, even if Square is stupid and dumb and acts like Final Fantasy 7 is the only game anyone has ever cared about.

It would also be really cool to see a character from FF5 or FF6 who could use skills from different job classes.

I'm also seriously wondering if Lara Croft isn't in Smash yet because Square won't license her or if Nintendo doesn't want to license her.

I actually just had a look at the top selling NES and SNES games of all time and it makes it even more clear that Smash needs more representation from Square. If you look at the top selling games for the SNES you have to go to #12 before you get to a game that isn't already represented in Smash, which is FF6 and then soon after that you have Chrono Trigger and Secret of Mana.

To me it‘s simple: There are too many FE-characters. Marth and Roy are awesome but nobody asked for the rest. Where‘s characters like Waluigi, Shy Guy, E. Gadd, etc.?

@DavidMac Because Sakurai isn't interested in her.