We've heard rumblings that Nintendo is working on new Switch hardware all year, but yesterday's report from The Wall Street Journal was the most convincing yet; it claims that Nintendo is working on not one but two new SKUs for the console.
One is aimed at the 'Pro' sector of the market, and will apparently include additional features to draw in early adopters who already own a Switch system. It's the same kind of upgrade path Nintendo has used in the past, with the likes of the Game Boy Light, GBA SP, 3DS XL and New Nintendo 3DS.
Our pals over at Eurogamer have corroborated this report by talking to other sources and can confirm that yes, we are getting two new Switch consoles this year. However, Eurogamer's source is keen to stress that while the cheaper of the two variants is indeed going to be a budget iteration, it's more in line with the 2DS than 3DS.
The 2DS, as we know, came at a time when the 3DS was still performing well in the sales charts, and removed the autostereoscopic 3D feature (arguably the console's selling point at that time) to present a more 'kiddie friendly' console, complete with a robust design which also jettisoned the delicate clamshell casing.
Eurogamer's sources claim that an almost identical approach is being taken with the cheaper Switch variant, and they hint that it could even lose the ability to dock and connect with TVs. This might seem like an odd move, but then so was stripping 3D from the 3DS – and Nintendo did that.
'Several people familiar with Nintendo's current plans' spoke to Eurogamer and said that this SKU is aimed squarely at kids who want to play on a portable games console, so it could be that the need to connect to a television is seen as worth sacrificing to attain that lower price point. Rumble is also being removed, although Eurogamer says it's not totally sure if this relates to 'HD Rumble' or force feedback altogether.
Meanwhile, the same sources say that the 'Pro' model won't be a massive leap in performance, as some people are no doubt expecting. It will, apparently, be closer to the jump between the standard 3DS and New 3DS.
[source eurogamer.net]
Comments (139)
fine by me. my switch is docked barely 1% of the time.
This won't work. The 3D on the 3DS was cool, but not the main thing that people bought it for. For the Switch, a cheaper model without a dock won't work unless they improve the battery, and then it would be pretty expensive.
I play my Switch mostly with family, almost always docked. No docking, no buy. I might consider a Switch Pro though.
Don't forget the Wii Mini, had a ton of features stripped, such as online capabilities and Gamecube compatibility.
So it won't be a Switch, it'll be a Switched.
If they're willing to make a non-switchable Switch system, I hope they consider a Playstation TV style Switch console one of these days that's bundled with a Pro Controller.
@Guru_Larry GameCube backwards compatibility went even before that, with the first Wii revision.
Fine by me. If the impact on price is positive and the console could launch for 150 it’s worth it.
I’m fine with that, never would have expected the lite model to be able to be docked. Just dont know if I could justify a second Switch for $200
There's absolutely no reason to "remove the ability to connect to a TV" that won't save costs. They could ditch the dock and only include a charger (or go super cheap and not include a charger) but they'd still leave in the ability to go USB C to HDMI. There would be no reason for them to take out that ability, if anything it would cost them more. My guess is that they'll go with a die shrunk version of the X1 for the mini Switch and not bundle a dock but also sell a cable that lets you connect your power adapter and the cable to the Switch, and then you can play externally with Joycons, Pro Controllers or a GameCube adapter.
So let me get this straight. A nintendo switch that doesn't switch, and as such cannot be docked in order to get better performance. I mean, sure, if the target was going to play exclusively handheld then they wouldn't be docking anyway, but wouldn't this mean that developers would be less incentivized to provide uses for docking optimization and joycon motion controls, and rumble. Next they're gonna say that the internal Gyros are being removed, and it only gets mono sound.
I just... I don't get it. Clearly that means something like this wouldn't be for me, I know. I just don't understand.
They could also flip the script and go the opposite route. IE sell a box with whatever they replace the X1 Processor with, with a slot for games (they could even have it top load like the SNES) put rails on the box to charge a pair (or two) of joycons, take out the screen and the battery and put an HDMI port right on the box. Suddenly manufacturing is way easier and it allows users to play any games designed around TV play.
@Guru_Larry Yeah and nobody bought it except collector.
@AlohaPizzaJack there are 5 switches in my house and i think 2 have never been docked.
I would buy a clamshell design lil'switch.
@321gofast a battery upgrade would be a minimal increase in price...
I was thinking of the lesser Switch simply being sold without the dock, but still retain the ability to be docked. Without the ability at least, not much "switching" going on except between handheld and table top.
I'm fine with my current Switch. Moving along.
@ArcanaXVI Me. Only time mine is on the dock is to charge. I never use the TV for my switch.
@russellohh I've just got one. I'm a single-user household. Your situation does make me wonder how many of something like this would sell to existing switch owners, as opposed to true 'new' customers.
So it's clear to everyone, I'm not saying I'm vehemently opposed to this. Options aren't always bad. I'm just saying I don't get it.
I’ll take one of each but let me have my digital collection on all three thanks
@Stocksy I believe you already can if you have the online subscription. You log in with the same account, but you need to be connected to the internet and can only play it in one system at the same time.
@Devlind that is good!! Didn’t know they added that!
I've docked my switch twice. Once for about 2 minutes when I bought it to make sure my dock worked and once so my kids could try Mario 3 on the NES app, which lasted less than 10 minutes. I've removed my joy cons a few times more than that, but the time I've had my Switch as anything other than a one piece handheld system is definitely less than an hour total out of several hundred hours of play time. If a handheld only edition had been available for significantly less, I definitely would have gone that route, and if I ever get a second system for my kids, I'd get the cheap version, like I did with the 2DS.
So weird!! I wish they’d make a smaller console that I can pocket and also connect to the tv. But as I’ve said in other posts, I probably won’t buy it anyway as I’m very happy with my switch the way it is, very slick, clean, and smooth.
Wanna know what would sell me on a new switch? A switch also capable of accepting 3DS carts; a slot for both switch and 3ds carts. Mmm that makes me excited
I feel like it's way more likely to lose the removable joycons than to lose the "Switching" element. It's in the name XD
Maybe they can name them: Switch Plus and Switch Minus - to indicate one with extra and one with less features.
If you already have a switch and are saying you won't buy a mini if it doesn't dock, that's a meaningless comment. Because it is squarely aimed at ppl who don't already have a switch.
@YoshiTails As long as they don't call it Light Switch!
I'm ok with completely skipping the TV option.
It's a chunky design ala original 2DS that has me worried. If we get a WiiU pad monstrosity, I'm out.
Quite excited about a pocket Switch. Current Switch is great, but as I use it handheld-only, I find it's rather bulky and cumbersome, and the battery life is really poor. A cut down Switch would address both those issues and make portable gaming a lot better. And if they reduce the screen size, the sharpness (or DPI) will go up (assuming it's still 720p).
Almost everyone here must be very happy hearing about a handheld only Switch. I mean, why should I use my Switch on my TV? To play Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros., Mario Party or whatever locally with friends/family? WHO EVEN DOES THAT?!
Everyone say yeah to a heavily crippled Nintendo "Switch"! 🙄
...arent the detachable joycons WHY its called the switch?
@Stocksy Yeah, but don't quote me on that. I've read that long ago and I can't really recall the details, so you might want to check it out for yourself.
As a Wii U Premium/New 3DS XL owner I am very interested in a Switch Pro revision. Even though I am a patient person waiting for a probably upgrade revision to the original Switch design. For me these past two years have been too long.
Question.
How can they remove HD Rumble in a model for kids...and also push LABO at kids?
Like...did no one catch that?
I don't understand why people seem angry about the idea of an undockable Switch with undetachable joycons. At the very worst it is only an option designed for kids and people that really don't care about those features. It isn't like Nintendo is ditching what makes the Switch, well, the Switch on their base and supposed Pro models.
Off-topic, but kudos for the "Hudsucker Proxy" reference in the subhead.
@Knuckles-Fajita Seems like a contradiction to be honest.
From an engineering perspective...
No batteries or charging in the controllers
No connect or disconnect hardware
Have to lose some of the motion and Rumble hardware
Simplifies the main unit slightly, also no connect or disconnect
Might allow for a redesign and distribution of components
No kickstand or dock
Or in other words... "Let's take a 2ds shell and put the switch processor in it"
It's going to come down to the price. Given it can't be used for 2 player games, labo, docked, Mario party, ... There needs to be enough value in making hardware like this
When I play with the kiddos the Switch is generally docked. When I play by myself it is almost always in handheld. So more power for the Switch to perform better in handheld would be a-mazing.
As far as a simplified version for the kiddos? You bet I'm in for that too. They both have 2DS systems for that reason. They would LOVE it if they each had their own Switches. The only real problem is the cost of the games comparatively. 2-3 copies of each game (1 for each Switch in the house at that point) would be a massive expense that I don't think I could handle.
@AlohaPizzaJack i definitely need one more, and that one i am certain will never be docked. if its smaller, cheaper, or even just a prettier color, ill def get the new one.
@Cathousemaster i've played maybe 100 hours of 2-8 player games in handheld mode only, doubt this will change anything.
@DavidMac you could leave in the usb c connectivity and ability to charge but use a chipset that has none of the display functionality.
As others have said it ceases to be a switch at that point, but as an SKU it makes sense to make a sealed handheld.
The biggest problem with Mini is the GPU and cooling system. It can only shrink so small before the cost to benefit goes downhill. Also as screen gets smaller it will get more expensive as that cost more to produce as well if it's going to have 720 at least on it compared to the 3DS XL graphics.
@Knuckles-Fajita Because people are stupid and believe in rumors. Nintendo would never do something like removing the Joy-Cons and HD rumble all together. Imagine a smaller model, supposedly aimed at kids, how that would fit with the labo kits?
That sounds silly. Just make it like the Switch is now but with integrated controls and sell it without a dock. Then someone could buy a separate dock later and extra joycons if they wanted to play on a TV. But to take away the ability to play on TV at all? Doesn't seem too smart to me.
@elpardo1984
Not saying you couldn’t. I’m saying it wouldn’t make sense. If you sell the cable for $50 or even $30 it makes way more sense to just leave on display out functionality.
I'm quite happy with my regular Switch. I primarily play docked, but I won't protest a Switch Mini for those who play handheld. With Labo kits designed around the current iteration and the fact that it's aimed at kids, I don't know.
If the Switch Mini is just a dockless Switch, I would laugh, but at the same time, I think it's best. People save on a dock that they may not use but still have full functionality.
@DavidMac I know just exercising my right to disagree
If it means cheaper internals and the ability to make it $10 cheaper to consumers it makes sense. They need an upgrade path to keep the switch classic(and pro) still appealing in its own right.
But hey it’s all hypothetical until Bowser shows us something new(and a price tag!).
If they build a mini version with an X1 equivalent using pascal instead of maxwell it would have about a 40% longer battery life alone just with the architecture change, also add in a smaller screen and you are looking at a much longer battery life.
@elpardo1984 but you’re not going to sell someone who has a Switch or a future Pro one a mini. Also if the mini and the Pro come out together TV play won’t be a distinguishing factor. It’ll be resolution. And the difference in cost for Nintendo on the USB controller won’t be in the dollars it’ll be in the cents. One sale of a 30 dollar add in cable per hundred would still make it worth their while to include TV out.
It seems these rumors are feeding themselves with nothing additional coming in.
"I've heard the Switch pro is just an Xbox one".
As someone who bought a second switch for my kids this Christmas, I would say the biggest issue is the inability to share digital purchases between the two switches.
I can re-download games I bought on the second switch, but they can only be played if the game is launched with my profile.
The second issue is that some games don’t support cloud saves, so I had to start a second Splatoon 2 account on the second switch to play with my kids.
If they adopt the iOS model of purchase sharing, this could be HUGE. Right now having 2 switches is a big hassle.
@elpardo1984 also as far as right to disagree. I would encourage you to listen more than you speak. I realize that in today’s ‘climate’ where disagreement even when the person knows their wrong is held as some sort of backward wisdom. You’ll always look smarter if you listen and weigh arguments, and then ask questions not with the goal of proving someone right or wrong, but with finding the truth.
There is no virtue in disagreeing with someone who is speaking the truth.
A smaller Switch would make sense as a replacement for the 3DS family. I mean, this year we are getting new Animal Crossing and Pokémon on Switch, so that would be the perfect Switch for avid portable players. Oh! and of course, a perfect heaven for indie games.
And as for the Switch Pro... well, I don't believe that it's closer to 3DS - New 3DS in terms of upgrade. I mean, that wouldn't make sense from a "hardcore" gamer persective the Pro will be aiming. Besides, one of the WSJ sources say it will be more than just a simple revision, so it will likely be Nintendo's response to the imminent "next-gen".
@Knuckles-Fajita Could be that the VR kit is the end of Labo, there's been nothing announced for Labo that wasn't in the January 2018 reveal and the other kits are heavily reduced at retailers.
@koekiemonster yeah that’s the magic number. If they got to $100 then that’s big dad gift to kid at Xmas right there
All of this said(and my own voice worries set aside) I'm looking at another article, which note this time that Nintendo finally responded to these rumors:
https://gonintendo.com/stories/331661-new-info-on-nintendo-s-rumored-switch-redesigns-plus-nintendo-co
"To wrap things up, Nintendo also provided a statement when asked about these rumors. As expected, Nintendo had nothing to say.
"We have made no announcements and we do not comment on rumour and speculation."
It made me wonders if that's again more or less unsubstantiated rumors despite how hard it's being pushed. Like it's pretty standard to say they "have no announcements" on the subject, but the fact they specifically had to add "and we do not comment on rumour and speculation" actually make me want to take a step further back because it sounds almost annoyed at what might, indeed, purely be rumour and speculation.
Researching the subject it's not the first time rumors about a new Switch models were pushed out only to lack substances, too. For example, these date back to seven months ago and mentionned the person claiming to be an insider didn't always have a super track record either:
https://gamerant.com/nintendo-switch-4k-rumor/
"It should go without saying that this rumor should be taken with a massive grain of salt. Sellars may have been accurate about some leaks in the past, but he’s also been known to leak unverified information that has been fed to him by users trying to out him as a fraud. A lot of his “leaks” have also been proven false, like his claim that Black Ops 4 would be on the Switch, for example."
Even back then they also pointed out some good reasons why that might be a bit further unlikely too:
" First off, it seems highly unlikely that Nintendo will launch an upgraded version of the Switch in early 2019. It’s true that the original Switch released in March of 2017, but typically, Nintendo would want to schedule the release of a new console around the holiday season to maximize its sales potential. Furthermore, if an upgraded Switch capable of 4k visuals was set to launch in early 2019, it seems as though Nintendo would have announced it already, or at least hinted at its existence in an official capacity."
So I'm wondering. Otoh it's a lot and to be honest, 2 years and a half may not be as horrible a timing for at least a revision with improved battery life/etc at the very least.
On the other hand I feel like this is a rumor people try to push every 6 months that, in the end, has yet to be truly founded. For example this latest one seem to mention two SKUs to "come" but not one which we have any proofs actually exists yet from what I gathered?
So despite momentary panic of Switch being about to muddy it's waters... I'm tempted to take a step back and take the risk this might, yet again, being nothing more than a rumor if not outright misinterpretations about what's actually being made.
I could be wrong mind you.
@Atariboy Yeah, a Switch TV could be really cheap, much cheaper than a portable handheld will the a screen and no docking ability . I'd love to have a Switch TV, especially if it had a big boost in performance/frame rate!
@DavidMac how dreadfully patronising.
Rest assured I took on board what you said and made my point why I think they may take a different path. All in the spirit of a good natured discussion around a common pastime. As you seem to have assumed what you are saying is some kind of truth, even though we are discussing the specifications of a hypothetical product I’m going to take my leave here and suggest you cast that critical eye on your own comments. Have a nice day.
@kalosn I'm really hoping for a more powerful Switch, one that could significantly boost frame rates!
I get why they're doing this cheaper, budget model (or why they would do it). But it also goes against the mantra of the Switch and Nintendo's intention to unify the home console and handheld departments, which they made a big hullabaloo about when Switch was still a rumor.
Lol no thanks
Looking forward to how Nintendo is going to pull this one off without really shooting themselves in the foot.
Again, how is this idea supposed to drop the cost below the Switches already sold without the dock in Japan? And how is the "non-detachable JCs" idea bundled with this rumour supposed to work without cutting access to many features like tabletop mode's local multiplayer and complete access to entire games like 1-2-Switch and SMP? Last time I checked, both were quite family-oriented and popular with kids. At least, unlike with the DSi situation, you could probably remedy this with additional joy-cons, but their separate retail price may well eliminate the whole "price cut" achieved.
Mind you, I've docked my Switch twice in two years myself, but even I fail to see the point which wouldn't go against Switch's entire one. Despite the name and the grandeur, 3D had limited influence on the gameplay experience. Switch is advertised as the kind of gaming hardware that tries to adapt to the gamer's life, including possible variations and/or changes in lifestyle that we may not even be concerned with at a given moment - or even to a number of different habits in a family unless/until said family realizes Nintendo's sweet "multiple units per household" dream. That's what it means to be a hybrid console rather than a handheld.
And another reminder from a longtime handheld console gamer - what will you ultimately replace on Switch if controls go south and component swap repairs are not an option? And what do you need to replace on a handheld with no modular features in the same scenario? But yeah, by all means, let's continue talking cost reduction.😏
And if a "Switch Pro" were to happen this years, of course the "leap" would be within 3DS-N3DS range at most. From the looks of it, it's still either this or anything north of $500.
@nhSnork I'm starting to think this is actually again nothing more than rumors.
Nintendo finally commented on this and while they went with the usual "we have no announcement" they also went out to add "and we do not comment upon rumors and speculations" which leave me feeling that in the end... this might again be all it is; rumors and speculations from a supposed insider who was potentially fed false informations.
Like to add this specific kind of wording make Nintendo almost seem annoyed about the subject in the way one might be annoyed at people who may be hyping themselves up to something that just isn't.
And researching the subject, it seems to be there's precedents for this. Even 7 months ago there were rumors of a new model releasing in "early 2019"(which obviously didn't happen as we're about to enter "mid 2019") from an insider once thought reliable that still ended spouting bad information at some point: https://gamerant.com/nintendo-switch-4k-rumor/
"The rumor seems to stem from supposed “industry insider” Marcus Sellars, who is known for starting rumors and supposedly “leaking” information on Twitter."
"It should go without saying that this rumor should be taken with a massive grain of salt. Sellars may have been accurate about some leaks in the past, but he’s also been known to leak unverified information that has been fed to him by users trying to out him as a fraud. A lot of his “leaks” have also been proven false, like his claim that Black Ops 4 would be on the Switch, for example."
@Yas They could call it a Dimmer Switch.
I like the idea of a cheap switch mini for kids. As long as it can take cartridges. At this point "triple dipping" into games that my wife and I already own in physical form would be a waste.
I'm good with my OG Switch, but I'm curious to see what (if anything) comes from these rumors.
@elpardo1984 or you could always act like your skin is thinner than the price difference between a USB C port with monitor out and one without.
If executed correctly this will reel in sales for Nintendo.
I could see a Switch without a dock being the “lite” version. Parents or causal gamers could always add a dock down the road if they chose. Maybe bundle in a game for extra value: something like 1-2 Switch or Cap Toad. For $199, that would be a great value.
As far as Switch Pro goes, I’m down to upgrade if I could trade in my OG Switch and pay $100 or less on top. Plus, without a replaceable battery, I’m cool with upgrading after 2+ years of charges on my current Switch.
Sony & Microsoft have shown “Pro” models can sell fine, even without exclusive games and Nintendo has shown the 2DS route is viable too. No reason this couldn’t or wouldn’t work for Switch.
I can see why they'd make a smaller handheld only Switch to go after really young kids (ages 3-6 basically), but man do I hate the idea of it simply because it completely muddies the waters of what's been Nintendo's strongest branding/messaging in ages.
This is a great idea, and necessary if Nintendo wants the Switch to truly become a "one per person" system. I've noticed a lot of grumbling about it going against the "point" of the Switch, but I don't think that's true. It won't replace the basic system, after all, and it's important to understand that it'll serve its own distinct purpose in the market. If you don't really get the point of this device, this that's a good indication that you're not a part of the demographic it's aimed at. Nintendo needs a good, budget-friendly handheld system. That used to be 3DS, but it's pretty clear that this year is that system's final hurrah.
@Knuckles-Fajita If the controllers are integrated, then you won't be using them for Labo anyway. You'll use the joy-con controllers that come with your OG or Pro Switch. Or you'll buy extra; after all, Nintendo has the kindness in their hearts to make the controllers available in $80 pairs.
@321gofast I agree that the Switch and 3DS/2DS can't be so easily compared. The 3D on the 3DS, while being the 3DS's main gimmick, really wasn't substantial. Beyond that, it was also controversial. The Switch's "gimmick" is so much more than a mere gimmick. Taking away the ability to play it in console or handheld mode would take away so much more than 3D.
The 2ds was stupid, mainly because the price difference was too small to warrant stripping away the main cool feature. But in this case, I understand they desperately need a cheap successor to the 3ds, so it's probably a really good idea. Once you're old/rich enough to get a proper Switch, you can still play all your games.
A new DS with 720 graphics a larger screen and a lid in place of the second screen and a Switch card slot and if we are lucky an autostereoscopic 3D feature to show 3d is not dead. This sorts the control issues and remains portable.
The Pro has to be Pro and not a slight upgrade. Third party developers want to port games without having to fiddle with them. Most people will stick with their existing Switch otherwise.
@321gofast yes it was 😊
It’s great I have an option to play the switch on my tv but I rarely do this I spend about 99% of my time in handheld mode . I don’t need a non tv switch but I think this option would do well
The difference is though is that the 3D on the 3ds was just a gimmick that got old after a few minutes while with the switch that it's a hybrid console that you can take with you.
In my opinion it would be better to just release a dockless switch bundle (with the charger of course).
more 1st party games and 3rd party that are well..not super stylized 2D pixelart...
The Switch's price is ultimately still a barrier for a decent chunk of the casual gaming market. A cheaper and less featured version will be able to cater to that market, especially in Japan where cheap portables are king.
NOPE.
DON'T BELIEVE THE LACK OF DOCKING, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
I could see them not INCLUDING a mini-dock and selling it SEPARATELY to cut costs, but they WON'T remove the feature.
@Guru_Larry The Wii Mini didn't come out in 2008. A slim model with stripped features 2 years into the lifecycle makes no sense. Even now, no one wants the Wii Mini.
@Knuckles-Fajita Yeah LABO literally says this rumor is as fake as it gets.
I do think a cheaper Switch will happen. But it will have TV out. And it will be the same size and shape as the original Switch.
They might drop HD rumble from the included controller, and make the TV output 720p (cheaper cpu)
My switch is always docked, play my n3ds for handheld so may buy the smaller one if the price is right.
Hmm....This report certainly seems to lend more credence to the rumors. I'm fine with both a Switch Lite and a Switch Pro existing along with the plain 'ol Switch. Having more options that work isn't a bad thing. Marketed properly, this could be another step in the right direction for Nintendo.
That said, I won't take any of this as concrete until we officially hear about it.
Completely not interested in a dockless version, however I'd maybe be more interested in a pro version. I mostly play probably 95% of the time docked for my switch. If they use the same charging method I doubt it would be cheaper to not have the ability to dock. I think the real savings is making it one solid unit though with no joy cons and just cut out things like rumble that are in that making the joy cons more expensive, then sell it without the dock, but with the option to still dock or buy a dock later if customers choose (then they can still sell the dock off to those that want it).
The 'connect to the TV' aspect of the Switch isn't even that expensive to implement in hardware.
It's not going to drop the price to sub-200, if anyone actually hoping for that.
I too find it a bit hard to believe that the cheaper Switch will completely remove the ability to dock to the TV. That seems like an unneccesarrily drastic cost-cutting measure.
Replace the JoyCons with built-in controls, replace the HD rumble with normal rumble (i.e. replace 40+ tiny rumble motors with 1 or 2 big motors), remove the IR camera, and take out the dock/controller grip/JoyCon straps. I think that is enough cost-cutting.
Anyone who buys a Switch handheld SKU who wants to play Switch games on the TV can buy the dock and JoyCons/Pro Controller separately to get the full hybrid Switch experience.
Oh @Damo, you sly dog, you.

Pro version for me probably. Will see...
This is just as stupid as removing the cartridge slot. A USB C female plug is extremely cheap, and that's all that's required to connect the Switch to an HDMI capable TV. A cartridge slot and USB c plug are among the cheapest things on the Switch. I agree with not including a dock in the box for the affordable, no rumble, no separatable Joy cons Switch. That would cut costs. It might seem like a complication if the new more portable Switch doesn't fit in the old docks, but there could be a new smaller dock sold separately or a simple USB c to HDMI connector. I've been using a high quality, and very functional, USB c to HDMI cable for my Switch when I go to friend's houses. It works great. The Switch is just as liable to be knocked off a table this way as it is when placed in a dock. I love how small and simple it is. I just plug my real Nintendo Switch AC adaptor into it, plug the HDMI cable into it, and then plug in my powered on Switch into it. I wish they could engineer a clamshell Switch. Maybe it would be bigger than a 3DS XL, but with a slightly smaller screen and analog sticks like the 3ds one, it could be a sweet and very portable design. If the Switch Pro has the awesome processor that Digital Foundry mentions in their Switch revision video, and if the smaller portable Switch is well designed, I might end up with 3 Switches! I also do really want the equivalent of PlayStation TV/Vita TV. A Switch TV that could play cartridges and have a huge micro SD card inserted while connecting wirelessly with pro controllers and Joy cons could be cheap to manufacture. It would be awesome!
I wonder how cheap Nintendo could make a Switch TV? If it had no wireless. If you had to plug in 3rd party corded controllers, or plug in a pro controller with a USB c cable, and if you had to plug in a USB c to Ethernet internet connection, could this thing be a portal to the absolutely awesome Switch digital library for under $100? If a cartridge slot could be included, all the better!
Why would they sacrifice TV if they can output the video signal through a built in port and an HDMI cable like many smartphones and tablets? The dock of Nintendo Switch is just for marketing and convenience. The console itself would be the controller.
I play docked 99% of the time so a dockless version would have to be a no from me.
Its interesting idea but should give you the option to buy dock seperately. Anyway all depends on the price. Under 200$ it will be a system seller
I'm actually expecting them to make a purely portable Switch this year. Pokemon and Animal Crossing are both releasing toward the end of this year. They are two of the highest selling franchises for portable play and most parents will probably not purchase a $300 device for their children to play them... especially with the breakable nature of the joy-cons.
Even better, I'd consider saving up for one myself if they make one. I think the original system itself and the screen are a little too big for my liking. Also, the joy-cons don't feel super secure and being able to fit the full unit in my pocket would be nice. If it were to be under $200 it's something I might be picking up this holiday season.
The rumors about a Switch Pro also interest me, though, I'd probably only bite for one if it could run games at higher settings. It would be nice to play games like Super Mario Odyssey at a full 1080p, Yoshi's Crafted World at least 720p, and possibly even higher resolutions for games like Smash and Mario Kart on my television. If it were just be a refreshed base model with a nicer screen and better battery life then I'd rather go for the more portable unit (at least as of now).
If the price is right it could sell pretty well.
As much trash talk people give to the 2DS, it was actually pretty popular among kids and people with tight budget. As a gamer from a third world country i can relate with this.
@russellohh My Switch is docked 99% of the time, so I guess we balance out. I'm fine if this is the route they take, we already have three Switch consoles in our house and a Switch "Mini" would have easily filled the need of two of them. I have my own, we have a family Switch, and my son bought his own. For my kids they all prefer to use them in handheld mode unless playing Minecraft or Mario Kart together on a bigger screen. Personally I'm more excited see what route the Switch "Pro" takes and if Nintendo patches any existing titles for added performance.
One Youtube channel I saw yesterday claimed he received news from an anonymous source with friends at Nintendo of America claiming there would be a Switch "Mini" and then "Pro" model this year but then a new Switch would also release the same year as PS5. At this point there are a lot of interesting rumors but the chance of two new models this year seems pretty high at this point. It would just be nice to hear these things from Nintendo "Direct"ly.
I don't want a new switch. I just want an additional year of splatfests!
@Tokiwa The 2DS filled a gap for budget gamers and kids that was needing to be filled. A lot of people had concerns over the 3D and it helped alleviate those. But it did create concern from many at least initially on what games it would play and how it related to the 3DS.
I'm sick and tired of these alternative models...
I have owned EVERY ITERATION OF NINTENDO. And none of them are worth it.
@AlohaPizzaJack I just... I don't get it. Clearly that means something like this wouldn't be for me, I know. I just don't understand.
Some people WANT to fragment the install base.
I'd get another solely for portable version, if I could access the same games I have on my existing Switch.
I'd also like it to have circle pads rather than control sticks.
I think these were really underrated. They didn't get dirt underneath them like the joy con sticks do, and I felt gave tighter control.
@Nico07 The 2DS is the reason newer 3DS games don't have 3D. In other words, the 2DS hurt 3DS owners.
I use my console handheld 95% of the time so I can see this being beneficial. It could also be a boon for familys where multiple people want a console but there isn't a TV in every other room. Have one standard/Pro model and then a bunch of the cheaper units that people can play away from the TV or take on trips with them.
That said, I find no TV connectivity at all an odd move as I can't imagine it saves a lot of money. The system still needs a port to charge etc. It would make more sense to me for them to ship the system without the dock and have permanently affixed 'joycon' to save money, and to play on a TV customers would need to go out and buy their own Pro Controller or standalone JoyCon as well as a dock.
Given they'd likely retain USB-C for charging and accessories I just can't imagine they save much if anything by not allowing video output. If anything retaining the feature and selling accessories at high margins will create more profit potential.
@russellohh haha I think I took mine out of the dock once because I had to.
No surprises. Even since before launch it was obvious a dedicated portable Switch would replace the 3DS. It would be a fully integrated unit, so no detachable controllers (that should mean a proper d-pad) and no HD rumble. While it's unlikely to be docked with the current dock, no doubt it would be possible to do it later on with a separate dock or even a basic cable. After all, you'd need a separate controller for it so the point of a dock to hold it with controllers removed would be lost.
The so-called "pro" version won't be anything of the sort. Nintendo simply don't have separate, more powerful, versions of their consoles selling side by side. They do replacement systems, so it would be an updated version, and would replace the current one. I expect much of the update is better screen, battery, storage, kickstand and slightly more powerful to benefit frame-rate and resolution. The current Switch won't become redundant or unable to play certain games.
@russellohh mines docked 24/7 but I wouldn't mind if a budget switch came out. I wouldn't get it, but I wouldn't mind
@tenmetresam mine fits in my pocket so i take it to work daily, and i play it in line at grocery stores and such
If that is true about the budget version, hope the other version is a built in Switch to the dock, with cooling fans and such maybe. Basically making it a true console, I don't really use mine out of the dock so that would be fine.
Growing up with Nintendo handhelds, I would love a Switch Mini that focuses most of all on durability. I feel like I'm walking on egg shells with the Switch, even though I love it as a console more than I ever liked the 3DS.
Obviously the 3DS is on its last legs, but I don't think a Switch Mini/3DS killer will be announced until they officially end the 3DS line. Looking at Nintendo's main page, they currently outline three main pillars: the Switch ($300), the 3DS ($200), and the 2DS ($80+). It seems to me that Nintendo would be more than willing to juggle three main pillars all within the Switch family, and eventually they could even position the cheapest Switch as a $100~ replacement for the 2DS slot, the OG Switch at $200, and the Switch Pro at $300.
It doesn't matter how many people claim it's a bad idea. If the rumors are true, Nintendo has already done enough research and they know there are millions of people for whom a portable-only Switch will be a more appealing option. As long as they come up with a good name for it and they market it wisely it will sell like avocado toast in San Francisco.
@mercilessrobot Just get a Switch Online Family Membership and you can have up to 7 other accounts use it as secondary users under a single administrator, so to speak.
@HalBailman Exactly the point I was gonna make about how this was very obviously going to happen at some point.
Something occurred to me after reading about the current lineup of Apple laptops which all have similar or in some instances the same CPUs in them. The thing is even though the chipsets are the same doesn’t mean that they are all equally powerful machines. The differences in thermal design for each model affects what they are actually capable of doing.
The current MacBook being passively cooled (sealed, with no fan) means that while it’s snappy for day to day tasks, when you do something strenuous and it begins to heat up, the CPU then has to throttle itself to keep from overheating. This is in contrast to the MacBook Air which has the same exact CPU but with active cooling (fan and vented like the current Switch) that kicks in to keep the temperature at safe levels allowing the CPU to continue operating at its full speed and accomplish tasks that just aren’t possible or at least much slower on the regular MacBook.
This is all to say that I always assumed any mini Switch would still be dockable since it should still be USB-C. But if it turns out to be a fan less machine it may only be capable of running the games while they’re in their less strenuous “Portable Mode.” Meaning the limitation isn’t because they’re too cheap (they are) to include the proper video output hardware but because the system isn’t capable of running the games in their respective “Docked Mode”.
In theory they could probably have vents on the machine and include a fan on the dock but I expect something closer to a phone or tablet or all previous Nintendo portables that has its insides sealed away from pocket lint and other random debris.
Though maybe they’ve got to the point now where the chipset can run the games in their highest settings with passive cooling. And even if not maybe there’s nothing stopping them from just outputting to a tv while the game stays in “Portable Mode.” It wouldn’t be pretty but it would be better than nothing.
We’ll see I guess. I’d bet pretty soon taking history into account and the increasing frequency of these rumors.
So it will be called switch because you can switch it off?
@321gofast Maybe I just got a "bad" 3DS but the battery seems to last no longer than the Switch, especially when you consider the demands of the games on the respective systems.
I bought a satisfye gaming grip a few months back - put it on and have never removed it - basically play 100% handheld.
If there had been a handheld only version at launch I would have bought it - tin hat on but if I am playing on my tv I am going to play the far technically superior PS4 or Xbox that I own that have excellent game libraries, online etc.
The fact that I almost exclusively game on switch today is purely down to the handheld portability.
Small switch will be cheaper by having this current chipset and non removable joy con. Tv output won't help save costs, but if the market sees it as a differentiating value...
I expect the next iteration to have that x2 that the current one didn't have.
Yeah sure.
That is, if it's half the price. Then I'll be able to play by myself without someone asking if I can dock the switch and play together.
Still don’t see why people are tying themselves up in knots. Nintendo could shrink the Switch slightly, male it more durable by removing the detachable Joycons, add further cost reduction by removing rumble and still have it Dockable size.
More to the point, Nintendo know that a cheaper, tougher, more child-friendly Switch will sell.
After not being able to buy Trials Rising on Switch because it was a poorer port than the other 2 consoles due to the fact that it doesn’t have analogue triggers. I would be happy with upgrading to a pro if we had better battery life, a larger screen, just a small increase in cpu/gpu power but most of all ANALOGUE TRIGGERS. The lesser SKU sounds like it would be good for my 5 year old daughter because the amount of times she drops the Switch is horrendous but I suppose I could just let her use the the original & that way I can keep the ‘Pro’ for my greedy self
I don't get it, the only tolerable thing about the low quality of the analog sticks on the Joy Cons has been that they could be replaced. Unremovable Joy Cons would be a disaster.
I'd buy a non-dockable Switch definitely. I still play the 3DS on my commute to work, but this year is going to be the end of that. If they went the PSP Go route and removed physical games, no way. Also if it had "built in" Joy Cons I'd reconsider it, because our house's main Switch Joy Cons are wearing out, and I've gone through 2 New 3DS consoles due to work out sticks and shoulder buttons from Monster Hunter. Being able to replace the Joy Cons as they wear out is a big improvement over the Wii U and 3DS.
I don't know much about this, and costs and all, but it would seem that Nintendo can lower the price point by at least $100 just by removing the included dock, rumble feature and removable joy cons. The dock sold seperately is about $85 by itself right? Keep it dockable but just don't include the dock. I have a couple friends at work on the fence about buying a second Switch for their family but don't need the whole setup. A console only option that can use the dock from their original purchase and I think they would jump at the opportunity. As far as from a sales point-of-view, some of these people may decide to buy a dock later for it.
Yeah this is quite different to dropping the 3D effect. That was an optional feature that could be turned off anyway, and one that didn't prove as popular and big a selling point as I think Nintendo had hoped (I loved it). No games relied on it, at best some were made a little better by it but even that could be considered debatable.
No Switch games rely on docking to the TV, so it's fair that, that could be removed. Even games like Starlink can technically be played in tabletop mode. But if that's the case, just sell a version without a dock packed, giving people the option to buy one later.
Removing the rumble? That renders certain games unplayable. Removing the detachable Joycons? Same again. It renders some big first party games completely unplayable. that's a recipe for confusion and disappointment.
And those touting the 'New' 3Ds and the games exclusive to that. Yeah a new console version had new games exclusive to it, but all the previous back catalogue of games was still playable. So it's not really comparable.
I don't know, Nintendo gonna Nintendo. It's their best and worst feature! I'd be very surprised if they made a system that couldn't play the likes of Mario Party, Starlink and even 1-2-Switch. Especially if they were aiming that at more casual fans and kids. We will see!
@MrBlacky I am sorry Nintendo is forcing you to play with your tiny switch.
@Jaalsky Nintendo is a company. You owned the hanafuda card company?
@ReaderRagfish I marked your words. The PSP Go flopped because of that reason. I'm 100% sure it will have a card slot, mark my words.
This is pretty much in line with what most of us have been expecting for ages. I'm happy with that if true. It's a little early for a "NEW Switch", but it's inline with 3DSXL. If it has a bigger screen I am SO buying it.
I hope the cheaper version has stereoscopic 3D. And works exactly like a normal Switch otherwise. Also it plays Sega Saturn games because I'd love to play those on the go. Also it's free and made out of delicious chocolate.
and what features will this "nintendo switch pro" bring us? an additional USB port or two. duel HDMI video output (useful if having 8 players in super smash brothers), built-in gamecube controller ports, some kind of gamecube game compatibility, or something that will create a selling point for the system.
in terms of a trimmed down or stripped version of the nintendo switch, i am not interested. i always have my system plugged into the docking station. i would like them to add netflix, and amazon video.
some N64 games. we already have lots of NES games. we need to move onto the SNES and N64 games. it would be nice to be able to port over our virtual console games from our Wii and Wii U systems for free. having options to buy the same game multiple times is annoying.
of course then nintendo still needs to add an option for organizing the games we have for the nintendo switch. having a lot of games without being able to find them makes me less likely to buy new games for the system and the nintendo switch has games of interest...
I don't know why the idea of multiple 'switch' family options offends so many gamers, surely Nintendo expanding their product line is good regardless of sales? There is something for everyone.
We have ipad mini, ipad, ipad pro. Why not switch mini, switch, switch pro?
It makes sense, a handheld only Switch for younger gamers, may well increase their interest in moving onto switch or Pro, thus increasing sales and customer retention and potential long term investment in Nintendo.
Some games I can only play docked, such as Splatoon 2.. you just can't perform as well in handheld mode.
I'd be interested in Switch Pro, but I'd then be concerned that a Switch Pro XL would be a few months down the line as with the DS to DS Lite to DSi.
I'd almost rather they only release a cheaper one at first, since I have and love my Switch and would have trouble justifying an upgrade already...
@liveswired handheld only Switch
This is an oxymoron.
@Hyper_Hippy69 Doesn’t that only work for being able to play online? That doesn’t share your actual game library with your family. Right?
@russellohh mm k
@mercilessrobot - Indeed it does. However, you can't play the same game at the same time on different systems. The Switch that's set as the 'Primary' device will kick anyone off who's playing the same game but, for the most part, one can share the wealth. After all, sharing is caring. And as I have over 130 games spanning one and a half 400gb SD cards, that's a lot of care to go around. 😉
https://www.polygon.com/2018/9/19/17878472/nintendo-switch-game-sharing-online-account
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