Sorry North America, You’ll Also Have To Download Final Fantasy X-2 HD Remaster

sorry, Squeenix, I'm not buying your forced download garbage

@CharlieSmile What garbage?

I just want the 12 remaster and chocobo dungeon.

Whatever. I already own it on my PS2 & PS4. I would buy it on VIta, but mine is broken, though it might be PSTV compatible.

Well if i ever should buy it again (sold it, wasn't that impressed with X plus X-2 and still prefer 7&9 and even some of the modern ones like XII, LR and XV over it) than i don't mind, if it's the whole Game. God Eater and other Games on different plattforms offered that as well, (except some special edition it was the same for Bayonetta) and it never bothered me... however if it would be like you have a part of the game on cartridge and the rest you need to download like l.a.noir and such, than it would be a big deal...

Preorder cancelled. Thanks for the update.

I should be able to buy the SE Asia version at my local game store so no import fees. That is if I decide to buy it. I've never played a FF before, I was going to wait for 7 since that seems to be the best one.

Don’t know why anyone is surprised. This is par for the course for us. I’m surprised if it’s actually on the cartridge these days.

@ReaderRagfihs It requires more work and companies don’t like that.

I hate how Capcom’s precedent is actually being followed by other devs and publishers.

Was never that interested, but now I’m not interested at all.

Sucks to be a switch gamer with only DSL internet connection

Well, looks like I'm buying the Japanese version. Good thing it has english!

I'm loving the region-free Switch concept right now.

I honestly don't mind. The Vita version was the same.

@SmaMan the first game will likely be on the card with the second being a code just like the Vita version

@GyroZeppeli how so? the work was already done they refuse to extend it to us

Part of the selling point of the Switch was having physical cartridges.

That lasted, what, 6 months?

So it's the old Bayonetta treatment, eh? Hopefully they'll at least include a reversible cover.

There's a very simple solution in the form of "that game was rubbish, just stick with FFX"

Naaah, that's not totally fair. The way they handled the sphear grid set up changing between classes in this one was a lot of fun, and the RPG battle system was great. The overall plot, and method to obtain 100%, was some hot trash, though. WHY WAS YUNA EVEN A POP STAR!?!?

@saintayu
Sorry, I realized the answer to my question seconds after I hit reply. Thanks though.

@SmaMan FFX on cartridge is included in the physical retail box. It will also come with a piece of paper with a download code for FFX-2. It's the same thing that happened with Resident Evil Revelations Collection. RER1 on cartridge, RER2 digital only (code on paper provided in physical retail box).

Edit: Took too long to reply. haha
Really wish the versions here could just be the same as the Japanese and SEA versions.

Not bothered. Only buying to play FF X. Will probably sell my X-2 code as I am never gonna play that game again.

i'll be ordering the superior copy from playasia then

I never got into FFX, and def. wouldn't play FF X-2. I'm sticking with XII.

edit: I had FFX on PS2, and put probably 40 hours into it before giving up. I gave it a fair shake, folks.

How does one go about importing. I created an account just to ask this question. I despise digital.

So many reasons to pass. I've had it for 5 years now on PS4. There is no way I would pay $40 for it either. It's not worth more than $20.

Will never understand the whole hate for digital copies anymore, outside of collecting anyway. Frankly I find them far more convenient and their pros outweigh their cons.

Yeah no thanks sure this sucks but i'd rather buy local i have zero desire to start importing games and wait however long it takes to ship

come on square dont pull crapcom idiocy putting one game on cartridge while the other download.

I'm over all that now. Whatever it takes to get my games I don't care!

I made the decision that for any games where they do this half physical, half download BS, I'm just going to buy it on my PS4. I ended up doing it with Resident Evil Revelations, I ended up doing it with the Mega Man collections and I ended up doing it with this game. After I saw the European version of this game was half download, I figured the US version would be as well, so I just purchased the PS4 version for literally 1/3 of the price of the switch version.

I love my switch and I love the portable aspect, but seriously... You're charging $50 freaking dollars for a game that is $15-$20 on another system.... Spend the extra few dollars it costs you in volume buying to put both games on a larger card. It's absolutely ridiculous not to do that. I don't even care if the game takes a graphical hit, but to ask me to pay 3 times as much for a game when you can't even put the whole thing on there..... That's just ridiculous.

@DarkLloyd I don’t really know, more work and money to make more carts. It wasn’t really a justification, more of a common excuse the companies give.

Import shift here I come.

Well, just a reason not to buy it. I really only want 12 anyways. And Crystal Bearers from Wii.

I’m willing to cancel my order (which I already did) and just not buy it anymore.

im sticking with zodiac over this bs square is pulling with one game being on cartirdge while the second one being downloadable.

+1
I also would have double dipped on Switch if they had gone physical. I already have it on Vita, where it is accompanied by FF1-FF9 (plus Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross for good measure). Now I will only get FF12 for Switch, which is fine by me

I'm a gamer who owns both in physical games and digital-only games as well and am not complaining about this. If anyone doesn't support this game because of we are not getting a physical release we may NEVER get a release of Final Fantasy VIII on a Nintendo platform.

Well I'm going to cancel my preorder too. I already placed an order for World of Final Fantasy Maxima from Southeast Asia. If I got this import thing done correctly, I'm going to possibly purchase this as well. But at this point it's no longer day one. Square Enix should be happy if I ever decide to buy it pre-owned or after a price reduction at this point.

thanks square for making it easy to skip.

@duffmmann While that’s a fair opinion, think of it this way; they are selling a physical copy of the game. Now whether you want it for collection, the cartridge or to save memory, whatever. But you want to buy a physical version nonetheless, so when half of the PHYSICAL package is forced onto you DIGITALLY, it makes sense to be a little irritated.

Anyone who cancels there pre-orders of this wonderful game shame on you! We may never going get Final Fantasy VIII release on Switch with idiots for being anti digital.

Seriously people, get with the times and buy a sd card.

Like it or not the move to digital is happening and you are only holding yourself back by not accepting that. Plus it is better for the environment you selfish gits

Oh, well...
I will choose the Asian region for FF X/X-2 HD switch version.
Thank you Bandai Namco for Save the day! 🤓

@SBandy Yeah I agree with you. I'm worried that with people who are anti-digital would hinder the chances of anyone seeing Final Fantasy VIII on the Switch at all.

Cancelled my pre-order when I saw this. I was able to swallow the Mega Man stuff because I will replay those games and thus don't mind having the second collections digital. However, I did find that the X2 collection was physical so I bought it haha.

Play-Asia has a multi language version which has English and Japanese. I'm thinking it would be nice to play Japanese voices with English subtitles.

@NTELLIGENTMAN If your Vita is broken, why would you want to play that version on PSTV? Especially when you have the PS4.

I'm holding off... possibly on this title. Had it on the PS3 and Vita, then bought it on the PS4 digitally.

@SBandy I respectfully disagree with everything you said. At least in two years I can still play my copy when the eshop is gone. The death of the Wii is happening in a week. I support digital I just like having the option. A forced option is what I reject.

@CurryPowderKeg79

https://www.play-asia.com/final-fantasy-x-x-2-hd-remaster-multi-language/13/70ci2j

It has full English and full Japanese language. Only English subtitles. This is the version I pre-ordered

@LaytonPuzzle27

That seems to be some kind of rights issue, song rights or whatever, because it hasn't showed up on any modern console yet. I have never played the game but would like the chance to one day.

Can’t stand physical games these days, inconvenient and eventually just becomes clutter, I have boxes of old games just collecting dust.

@Nintendofan83

That is fair enough but it is the way things are moving whether you, or I, like it or not. Bricks and mortar game shops are on their last legs, which is sad, and best people can do is embrace the inevitable or be left behind.

This isn't my preference, just recognition of how the industry is moving forward.

@Level_Up sell them....cheaply....to me! hahaha

@SBandy Amazon would disagree with your point in a way. They are not brick and mortar so that's different but they sell a ton of physical games and that's where I buy them from. So e-commerce is huge but there are still physical game sales. I fully agree that companies want to go more digital because it's better profits. I get it ....I'm just using my voice which is my money and my money is used for physical games. It's all one man can do!

I don’t understand this trend at all! If it fits on the card then do it! Charge the $59.99! We will decide! Terrible!!

Well seems like the Asians will get my money this time.

@Nintendofan83

Keep doing it man! My posts were tongue in cheek even though I have gone pretty much fully digital this gen. I don't want physical to die out but I can see it happening before my eyes!

@SBandy Yeah, I see it happening in many ways, too. I have bought a few digital games because of the Switch's portability. Always nice to have Smash or Mario Kart with yah. You know, I find it interesting that the Japanese are often trend leaders in many ways but they seem to be bucking the trend. There is a growing number of games getting physical releases in Asia/Japan that aren't getting them elsewhere. It would appear Japan's market still wants physical.

@SBandy its not happening now or even in 20 years or at all, only co-existing. to think otherwise is foolish given the internets infrastructure.

why do i say its not going to be a digital only future? that would because i and many others refuse to give up ownership among other things which i will not sacrifice for convenience so tons of sales will be lost if they even attempt it

@DarkLloyd

I am not saying I like what is happening I am just saying it is the way things are going.

The bottom line is if companies feel they can cut out the middle man and make more money digitally then it doesn't matter what you prefer, things are going digital.

You mention 20 years, 20 years ago VHS was still a thing and CDs were pretty new........things change.

edit: Actually I do prefer digital in many ways.

@Nintendofan83
Yuna's voice during singing Real Emotion on English version was really Blah. 😣
But her singing Thousand Words English version was pretty good with Lenne as her partner. 🤓

It doesn't matter to me. I will take the digital versions and play those, while the people who cancel in protest miss out. I used to refuse to buy digital, but I went over to the dark side and now actually prefer digital to save shelf space.

@CurryPowderKeg79

People don't just accept it, they prefer it. I do most of the time actually. But I recognise those who want everythong to remain physical.... but that time has already passed.

@LinktotheFuture at this point in time you might as well call the switch digital only, it gets harder to buy physical when digital is shoved down our throats even if we don't like it.

What happened to consumer choice?

@huyi That's my argument/complaint/concern. Just give us the choice and let us decide what we want. Make an all physical release and then make a digital release. Let consumers choose. The hybrid approach is frustrating. Luckily the Switch is region free and many games have multiple language functions. Importing is possible.

@SBandy
I still keep supporting physical media. 🤓
That's why i consider the Asian version for Both games in one card.

@Anti-Matter

Keep doing it! But digital will become ever more prevalent over the next 5 years or so and physical will fade away....

In that case I will just buy digital. No real point for me to buy a physical game that isn't physical...

@Nintendofan83 importing is possible yes but it's very expensive especially for EU countries that have to pay additional taxes just to import.

I missed out on bayonetta 1&2 on the switch because of the half digital and I'm sure that won't be the last either.

thankfully I have ffx and x2 on ps3 so I have no reason to get this but this must be frustrating for others who want to play on the switch.

Even though I already have both physically on the Vita, I shall triple-dip. The collection demands satisfaction.

@SBandy
Well, have fun with your digital only party.
I have my own party with Physical-O-Rama. 🤓
Excuse me....

@Karatecanine Ordering from PlayAsia seems to be the best solution. It will cost you slightly more but I don't think it's extortionate.

Ok, I do have mixed feelings about this.

@SBandy you say that like you are so sure of it yet you say you dont like it? which is it?

its not happening just because the company would benefit it more. we as customers will speak with our wallets and make it hurt for them. physical or nothing at all.

i have to be dumb to give them my money with nothing in my hands in return aint paying full price for digital games

@Dayshader but that's my point, you say "nonetheless," but outside of collecting I see no real draw to physical releases and as such, I personally can't relate with this mentality of 'if there is no physical edition, I'm not interested!' Try and explain that as much as you like, I simply can't relate.

@LaytonPuzzle27
Relax.
We still can have a Physical release for BOTH games on Asian region from playasia. 🤓

@duffmmann
Owning a physical game = owning a REAL thing.
Some peoples want the REAL things, NOT a bunch of digital codes that someday they will be gone forever and we will regret after that.
It's Not about Convenience, it's about Possession.
I will defy the convenience by keep inserting my card / disk before playing rather than sacrifice the possession.

@OorWullie thank you.

@Anti-Matter people are way too obsessed with this mentality. News flash, your digital games are going nowhere. You lose or brick your Switch, you can redownload all your games you've already purchased for free via your account. Short of Nintendo completely disappearing, your games are going nowhere if you own digitally.

@DarkLloyd

I edited my comment to say I do prefer digital. I have nothing against physical games I just recognise the way things are going.

I am not a fortune teller but I will be amazed if in 20 years gaming isn't pretty much all digital. I understand there will be some like yourself who will only accept physical but you will simply be left behind and either have to accept digital or be content with your old systems.

Guess we have to wait 20 years to find out!

@duffmmann
But some peoples really want a REAL thing, Real object that can be touched, hold and have a presence.
Just let some of us to keep physical things because we have no interest with digital only without real things.
You can keep happy with your digital only mindset, but let some of us be happy by keep collecting things.

@Anti-Matter and again, but in that mindset, i can't relate, and i personally would worry about one day losing or damaging my games when i own physically, it's happened in rare occasion with physical games from my previous systems despite keeping good care of my games.

@SBandy you didn't have to edit, i got what you meant.

but the whole preference aside its still not viable the entire internet layout isn't viable nor is it equal for that ideal to be here any time soon let alone cheap enough to the point they dont charge you an arm and a leg for downloading too much

@DarkLloyd

Like I said, I guess we have to wait 20 years to find out!

@Anti-Matter agreed, gotta love ownership and freedom to do with it as you please.

Not too bothered, since I already bought it on PS4, but I hope FFXII doesn't have this problem, too, or I may buy that on PS4 as well.

@Anti-Matter a game is literally code that you have to have the console to decode. Since backwards compatible game consoles are the exception and not the rule I don't understand the obssession with physical. Your console is unlikely to last twenty years work the way stuff is made nowadays.

But people will always find a reason to complain.

@duffmmann If I wanted digital, I'd buy digital.

This is the same crap as not releasing FFX International on PS2. That version was already playable in English. There was no reason they couldn't just replace further printings of the US release of FFX (such as the Greatest Hits) with it. I'm pretty sure there's no reason to play the first edition after that, so why not replace it?
At least Switch isn't region-locked (whereas because of that on PS2, it meant you had to mod your console or rip the disc and play on emulator... about a decade later when emulation was feasible).

Was there ever a confirmation that the JP ver included English?

I spent a while checking yesterday and couldn't find anything, and it seems every physical version of the Remaster so far had either Japanese or English, but never both.

Edit: Ah, I see, the info's from NintendoSoup.

I really don't think it's that big of a deal since X-2 just isn't very good, but since there is an option for a full physical I will go for that nonetheless.

@joey302 Who's to say all the additional languages fit on the cart? While I dunno what other dubs FFX and X2 have other than English and Japanese, them both being RPGs means tons of text for each, which I'd guess for America would include Spanish and French possibly but imagine all the European ones added to ours....

Whoa. Such a split between physical/digital. Personally, i prefer physical, but i never let that stop me from purchasing anything. I buy the game for the game, not the format it comes in. That being said, i have over 70 physical Switch games (maybe, i didnt actually count them) and about 40 digital games (again, i didnt count them but i have three 200 gb sd cards that are all pretty much full)

Good luck all you digital buyers, but I'm going to get this physical, then if it doesn't become a favourite of mine, I can sell it on - I imagine the physical version will hold decent value.

The only Switch games I've sold, I've made a profit on. How much profit have you digital buyers made?

Don't care.

I'm only getting The Zodiac Age anyway.

@saintayu
"I don't understand the obssession with physical."

It's a hobby for some peoples.
Collecting things is a part of people's hobby.
Some peoples like to collect things such as stamps, bottle cap, toys, video games, etc.
Some peoples doesn't like collect things.
You can have your own party with digital only games while i can have my party with Physical games.

@duffmmann
The problem with that mentality is that this very month is the death of the Wii eShop. That means that if you have not physically downloaded any game that you "own", you forever lose all access to that purchase.
And if your physical game console gets damaged to the point you can no longer read or transfer from it, you are Sorry Outta Luck forever. My physical game will be playable on any game console that can read it. My physical game cannot have me be permanently incapable of playing it, unless every single console in the world self-destructed.

@Level_Up
Hi.
I have a lot of games collection. 🤓
Take a look.

@joey302 larger carts cost them more money and they’re selling the game at the same price whether it’s a small cartridge or large. They’re making more money on a small cartridge with one game being a download than a large cartridge with both games on.

@LaytonPuzzle27 if I was you I wouldn't be to hopeful that a FF VIII port is coming eventually. There is no HD remaster of that game for a reason and the reason is that they lost the code for it. The same thing happened with FF VII on PlayStation but they had the PC port to work with. Also VIII is the black swan of the PSOne era..

Nice that Square Enix want to help us all skip this and move onto the next.

Hard pass.

Whyyyyyyyyyy???!!!??? SquareEnix, really????

@Desrever the answer is pretty simple: she wasn't.

As for the plot, it sure starts out more light-hearted than the preceding game, but that didn't feel out of place in the world that was learning to live in the newfound peace and the societal changes that came along. Alas, neither did the crap that hits the fan midway into the story (and is gradually revealed to have hit it even before the game's events), even if the crisis was partly influenced by a tragic 1000 year legacy. And the dressphere system feels like a damn precursor to Paradigm Shift (which remains my top favourite battle system in the whole series) - the previous job systems had you change every character's class out of battle.

Now 100% on a file - yeah, that's easier said than done, even with guides. The chapter structure making some of the cutscenes missable doesn't help either. Although I ultimately managed to get by with but a quick re-run for the chapter 2 choice branch. XD And to be fair, the practice of multiple playthroughs for alternate endings and missed events had come to the genre years before X-2 was a thing.

I'll guess I'll get the ps4 version if I run out of games.
I hate to always go for the ps4 version, whether it is because the game costs a third of the switch version or because of DL BS like this.
I'd like publishers to give the switch a proper chance

@Anti-Matter Owning a physical game is like owning an SD card with the downloaded game on it.

You still ONLY own a digital license to the game stored on a physical medium. The only benefit from a physical version is that you can resell the license and that you have a small box on your shelve. The western version still comes with a box, so you have the shelve thing. The only real problem is that you can't resell the second game.

@sanderev
And that's why i consider the Asian version with Both games and English texts since i live in Indonesia, South East Asian teritory.
Thanks to Bandai Namco for providing the Asian version.

@Zuljaras You can share by adding your account to the second console. And yes only one can play the game on your account at the same time. But the same goes for the physical version...

FFS. I'll have to import this now. I hate importing games.

I like digital and physical but this is a way of taking money from people who want to buy physical but without giving them what they want. Clutter and inconveniece of changing carts with the mandatory download and need to buy extra storage. The definition of "the worst of both worlds!"

I love these kind of releases as I don't buy them and it saves me a decent amount of cash.

These posts are just fodder for the haters. Yes it sucks to have to own a SD card, but I don’t care about reselling anymore. I buy digital most of the time and play the game once and consider my money well spent if I get enough time with it. I typically feel like I got my money’s worth if I spend $1or less per hour of playtime.

Wow what a debate.

I dont mind in this case. If X-2 was considered as DLC people wouldnt complain.

The 1st game is the main dish and that is fully on the cartridge. Its not like Doom and Wolf2(and even that didnt bother me that much, was more a matter of principle).

The only game i resold out of not liking it was mario and Luigi superstar saga on GBA, its a great game but it gave me a lot frustrations at that time on my GBA and traded it for Def Jam Vendetta on GC with a NWA cd.

Lol seriously guys... When the games were announced, everyone crossed fingers to get physical versions. Now you get them but not the way you want. No-one knows the reason and if it really would be soooo easy and cheap to put both games on one cartridge they would do it. I'm wondering why no-one is complaining that X/X-2 as one game is priced similar as XII, which is only one game...
They could also decide to release X and X-2 separately and charge double. This would probably make some people happy here.

@RupeeClock : Same. I bought both Rock Man X collections, but hadn't bought the original series at all, and don't intend to unless Capcom issues a physical release at some point.

Likewise, I refused to buy Revelations 2 as it wasn't on cartridge, so I accumulated enough gold coins to be able to download it when it was on sale, and it still ended up costing me money, as 24GB of flash memory ain't exactly free.

I love all the comments about not buying a game because of things like this. But if you just spend $75 one time to get a 256gb sdcard, then problem solved. Since the n64, gaming has required more storage then the consoles come with. Get over it. And I am not just talking Nintendo; pc, Nintendo, Ps, Xbox, handhelds, phones etc...all have issues with memory size.
As for calling devs lazy, they are porting over a game in which 95% of games sales are probably digital in the 1st place. I just love how people complain about this, but subscribe to Netflix or iTunes music instead of buying dvds and cds.

Region free paying dividends yet again. Not that I cared that much anyways. Its FFX that matters here, not X-2.

What I don't understand is people threatening to not buy the game when the article clearly states the Asian release has both games, in English. Why did people riot during the Wii U era over region free if they're not even interested in taking advantage of it?

Someone said they'd pay $60 if both games were on cart? Well, your wish is granted! You can get that for less than $60 even. So what's the problem? Or is this just an excuse to complain? That's what it seems like to me. We have a solution. Yet nobody seems to care???

I was the biggest advocate for physical there ever was, and even I wouldn't be so foolish as to prioritize a plastic cart over the actual game. Are we gamers, or cart collectors? Buy physical when you can, but if you cant, dont let such a stupid thing keep you from one of the greatest games of all time. Especially when it's the crap sequel that's digital, not the masterpiece, and especially especially when there's a fully physical option at your fingertips. All you have to do is hit the order button.

I swear, you didnt see Sony gamers on Vita throwing a fit over FFX-2 being a download code. And they had no storage! Had to pay $100 just to cap out at 32gb! They were happy to get the game. Nintendo fans though... the more that time goes on, the more I cant stand em.

@CharlieSmile nuff and well said! Don't buy it people. we want physical releases! Show them so they flatline

@LordGeovanni
if you have not physically downloaded any game that you "own", you forever lose all access to that purchase.

That's like saying if you havent picked up your physical copy from BestBuy after 15 years, you lose access to it. Why on earth would you not have your game downloaded ("picked up") from the digital store after 15 years?

And if your physical game console gets damaged to the point you can no longer read or transfer from it, you are Sorry Outta Luck forever. My physical game will be playable on any game console that can read it

Unless your physical cart gets damaged, then its Sorry, Outta Luck forever

Either way it's no different. Except a digital copy can be backed up to infinite SD cards and PC, while physical cannot

@Alucard83
I can promise you not buying the game will not magically get you all physical releases. Your numbers are insignificant. Every member of this entire website could skip the game and it wouldn't even be a blip in their total sales. Which is precisely why games are still releasing like this. The profits gained from not paying for extremely large carts far outweigh a minority of cart extremists who think they represent millions of gamers.

If you wanna skip a fantastic game when the fantastic game is fully on cart, simply because the garbage sequel isnt, when you can get both in the Asian version if you wanted (thanks to the region free YOU people complained about not having last gen), then knock yourself out. But dont fall under the illusion you're gonna change anything. You're not. All you're gonna accomplish is cheat yourself out of a great game. And if that's what you want... have at er.

Nearly every game has some form of update. When the shop shuts down how will you get your updates for your physical cartridge? Look at Mario tennis on switch for example stacks of updates.
Physical seems kinda pointless at this stage.

@duffmmann Wii Shop just shutting down. No more to say.

@Anti-Matter cool! Hey how do you do that?? Put a picture up in comments??

@Bass_X0 I understand that and I understand the money thing of course. But when you see Capcom for example, put 1/2 the mega man games on a download you stop and say wait a second now those files aren’t even that big- Small in fact. So why wouldn’t they at least for Mega Man 1 through 10 on a single card??
The other thing that bugs me is with the Wii shop shutting down, did we really buy those games...or did we rent them for 10-12 years??? Hmmm 🤔

@Angelic_Lapras_King I dunno if several sets of languages would take up that much memory? Hell even GBA carts back in the day had 4-5 languages...so not sure about this. It’s just a shame to have the 2nd half of FF on download and as you can see the Wii shop is about to go bye bye!

I wanted to import ff 12 because of the better boxart anyway so i guess i will import both games

Works for me. Getting all of these FF games digital anyway.

@JaxonH
We've had enough discussions between the two of us now that I firmly believe you have some incentive reason why you hate physical sales. You are consistently against physical sales.
At this exact moment I am able to legally obtain any NES, SNES, N64, GC, GB, or GBA Game. And that is because the games physically exist in the world. I can still buy a sealed copy, I can buy a pre-owned copy, I can be given a copy. All those ways are legal. But you want to know what is illegal? Obtaining any digital-only Scott Pilgrim game. They were all removed from the stores and now if you do not have that game you need to purchase a used system with an account still on it that had already purchased those games prior to the games being taken down. And it's against terms of service for you to sell or purchase other accounts. So you have to break ToS if you want to play those games.

@mantez
Physical games with free DLC, in this case updates, are legally yours. Including the update itself. If you have to purchase the DLC, that data is not yours. It is merely leased to your account. The distinction here is that eventually every game system gets exploited. And that means physical games that are lawfully owned will have the legal access patches and updates in the future. Digital copies of the games we'll also have access to those updates and patches through these same means, however digital copies will not be accessible for anyone who never picked that game if that digital game is removed from the stores or the stores are taken down as is the case with the Wii eShop.

@LordGeovanni
I'm really not "against" physical sales. In fact, I'm all for them.

But. It's not that big of a deal. Its 2019... Digital is here. It's a reality of the era. And it's not even remotely a hill worth dying on. We're gamers. Play the games. Have your preferences. Fine. But when people start making a plastic cart more important than the actual game itself... I have to question how much they actually care about video games. Because if you truly cared about video games you wouldn't let such a trivial thing keep you from half of the best games available.

Preference is fine. I prefer physical (how can I be "against" it when I prefer it... that's ridiculous). But just because I prefer it doesnt mean I'm going to "not buy a game" just because its digital. Hell, the game isnt even split. The FULL GAME is on the cart. It's just the stupid garbage sequel that's a download. AND. AND. The option is there to get both via the English Asian version. Thanks to region free. Ya know. The thing everyone cried about not having last gen. But apparently nobody actually cared about using it. They just wanted to complain about it. Now you have it, you dont wanna utilize it.

And using the 1 or 2 games in the history of video games that have been removed from a store, out of tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of games... as "case in point" proof that digital is risky... isnt even worth debating. You can't cherry pick the 0.0000001% of games as an example and pretend it's a truth for everything. If you buy a game from BestBuy, you have to pick it up. They wont hold it forever. Neither will a digital store. If you still dont have your game downloaded after 15 years, you deserve to lose it.

@JaxonH I don't get some of the responses to this either. Can anyone seriously say they were looking forward to this release as they didn't wanna play FFX but FF X-2 instead.

The superior game is available on cart so why people are refusing to buy because X-2 isnt is baffling.

Like you say, if people are really that bothered, go and import the Asian version. You really have no excuse as it has all what you are crying for.

@JaxonH
The problem here is that while both Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2 are full games, this particular release advertises both games together in a collection. And this two game collection is not physical. Half of the collection is. And I do Advocate purchasing the southeast Asia version if people are capable of importing.
''Because if you truly cared about video games you wouldn't let such a trivial thing keep you from half of the best games available.'' My problem with this logic is that this action is a direct degradation of the rights for gamers. Physical games will always be superior to digital games due to your legal rights of owning that game. This is in addition to your right to sell or gift that game at any time. I'm upset because game companies are finding more and more ways to avoid compression in their games, have no care of wasting our space and money for that, and are actively seeking ways to remove our rights as gamers.
To close this out really quick, I disagree that the full game is on disc. And the reason for this it's because this is advertise as a compliation. And half that compliation is not on disc. Personally, I'm canceling my NA pre-order. I am personally considering purchasing a SEA import version, however the effort required to do such makes me want to avoid the game completely. I have not done much importing and I have only started with the first game this month. It would be far more hassle if I screw it up, so to entice me I will personally be waiting for a physical sale price reduction prior to considering an import at this time. It does not mean that I am ignoring the fact the full game is available in a different region. I am merely deciding that the headache of importing and the slight increase of cost for importing has made it an unviable purchase for me at this time.

@LordGeovanni
rights for gamers

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It's a hobby man. And digital is not the devil. It's just a different format.

I understand the desire for physical. I do. Which is why I always buy physical when given the choice. But if I dont have the choice, I wont let that stop me from playing a good game. PLENTY of games release digital only nowadays. Are you gonna skip all those too?

Buy physical when you can. If you cant, just roll with it. It is what it is. Owning a digital copy of X2 isnt the end of the world, I promise you. I'm importing but if there was no Asian version I'd still get the NA version. It's not that big a deal

Disappointing, though I was looking and the HD remaster for both games was around 36 gigs, so it was probably going to be either have 2 cartridges which I think most people wouldn't have a problem with or go for digital route so they can save on using 2 cartridges. Like it or not the digital age of games keeps pushing it's way forward every step it can. Personally I love physical games, but it's harder to get games without day 1 patches nowadays to fix the issues, and seems half the time you are downloading the entire game even with physical media nowadays.

@dougphisig
Southeast Asian version has both games on cartridge. And has English option available if that's what you need.

@JaxonH
"The biggest offense to your rights is not he who targets those rights, but rather he who stands on the side and does nothing."

I will call out any person, any company, who seeks to reduce the rights of people. My passion is gaming, it is because of that why I am so upset by this. Every time a person stands by and does not argue against these practices, they are contributing to further problems in the future. Activision just released DLC for the most recent Call of Duty. It cost $2 and it's nothing more than a reticle for your weapon. And that same reticle was available for free in previous versions of that game. In the meantime, we also have an abundance of loot box gambling DLC in gaming now. And as the Star Wars game featured, it is paid to win DLC. Just because the version in Southeast Asia is what I want does not mean I am willing to let companies take a pass for doing something wrong.

importing from Amazon JP then !

@NTELLIGENTMAN it is pstv compatible. Youll still need to download x-2 in North America.

I'll pass. Went through this on vita. Not going through it again. The promise of a single card was more than enough to get me to buy this. So much for that.

@LordGeovanni
And that's where we disagree.

I do not believe releasing a game digitally is "wrong". It may not be your preference, it may not provide the same advantage you're looking for... but that doesnt make it wrong.

There is nothing wrong with selling a game digitally. You have to choose your battles. Microtransactions, sure. Streaming games, sure. Sectioning a game off and selling piecemeal, sure. Selling a game digitally though? Theres nothing wrong with that. Theres nothing to call out. Just because its not your preference doesnt mean wrong.

Its 2019. Digital is a part of life. Cartridge costs are a part of life. Including a game digitally because the increased file size necessary isn't worth the negligible sales increase is common sense, whether or not it's to your liking. They are not here to simply provide you what you demand how you demand it even if it makes no financial sense to do so.

Digital games are not the devil, and are not an offense to you as a gamer. It's a means of distribution, nothing more. Need to ease up on the whole digital is evil thing

@Balta666 If I remember correctly Final Fantasy VIII had a PC port as well but how hard is it to get the code if you get your hands on a either a game CD or cartridge if your good at computer hacking? Sure FFVIII is not everyone but am sure some Final Fantasy fans would be delighting to play this classic it on the Switch.

@LaytonPuzzle27 actually there is a pc port yes (I though that was not the case). In that the case they should not have the original code for that also.
However regarding your second point the answer is that is extremely difficult if not nearly impossible to re create a game based only on the cartridge as it is not a open source. That basically would cost more than do the game from scratch

@JaxonH
Straw man argument. I never said that digital games in and of themselves were wrong. I said that the practices behind digital games is something that I disagree with. And regardless of my feelings regarding digital-only games or digital copies of retail games, in this case this is a physical game being restricted to digital restrictions. As a physical-only gamer, That is unacceptable for me. And this current ongoing practice, where a physical game is requiring a one-use digital download, is something I will never accept. Please avoid miscommunicating my focus in the future.

Am I correct. I buy the physical copy and inside is a code for a single-use download for the second game.

Does that mean the downloaded game is free or will the physical copy be more expensive to reflect the two game bundle. Or do you pay for the second game after using the code.

If we are paying more for the physical version, then we are being forced to buy two games or no game. If this is the case then the resale or trade in value will be low compared to the original purchase price, since the code is only valid once.

@zool you get a code to renew on the eShop just like Bayonetta 1 was with Bayonetta 2 last February. FFX-2 being digital is not a huge loss as the game is just okay. FFX is a fantastic game and not worth skipping out on! That is where the real value of the package is with FFX and people will pay more if FFX-2 has not been renewed but that is for resellers to decide. Personally I would still pay full price just for a non-compromised version of FFX on the go.

Wait, so the JP physical release has both games on the cartridge and English language support, but the NA and EU versions don't? This makes no sense.

The NA/EU HD Remasters on PS3/PS4/PSVita included both games.

@blecch the Vita version is the same as switch. FFX on cart, X-2 on download

No excuse for this, Squenix. If you're willing to do physical in some regions, you need to do it in ALL of them. I cannot comprehend how these big publishers keep thinking this crap is a good idea.

FFXHD is possibly the only game that has an arguement against rebuying games on Switch to have them portably. Really love that the PS3/4 versions share saves with the PSVita version through the cloud, and at this point can both be gotten fairly cheaply in sales. I know the Vita sold abysmally outside of Japan and the Switch removes that need completely, but I wish more games had done that.

Any news on whether or not the game will have the pc QOL improvements?

This is exactly why I like the option to import. Don't ask me why.

I have a 200 GB sd card, so I'll just download the two games because I can.

So i'll order the proper physical version from Play-Asia, no problem.

Here we go again with the clickbait Physical vs. Digital.
Here's my complaint. Remember the EULA you agreed to. With Digital they have the control not you. But Physical you have control and can re-sell it with Digital you have no choice there. Yes, some Physical cost less then Digital and vise versa unless you get Physical CE, SE, LE version then that's a different animal.
So to those going digital here's a big downside you forgot. Digital takes up microSD space and for Physical that is only for DLC or update or Download #2 game. MicroSD still cost money and a 400gb is around 90USD which isn't bad but as Digital collection grows SD space goes down. So if you haven't thought of that yet then expect that sooner then later. I know they have SD 1tb but no MicroSD 1tb yet but that is coming and it will cost far more then a standard SD 1tb to boot. So digital fans you can't gift your digital games away and Physical can gift or re-sale and get a monetary back.

@Shane76
Gaming companies do not read this site. This is a rinky-dink local pub where gamers gather to talk about things they like. Gaming companies do not care what people here or at any other site say. Gaming companies read one thing and one thing only... their bottom line. And the amount of people who are willing forfeit an amazing game simply because it’s being sold digitally are about the same amount of people complaining about aliens invading from Mars to steal our spaghetti.

They folded due to the DRM of Xbox because making a console lock a user out when they don’t have internet connection is a serious, serious issue the vast majority of people simply will not buy into. Digital games, on the other hand, are amazing and the vast majority of people love them, or at the very least, don’t hate them. And the reason for that, is there isn’t any grievance to air. There’s nothing wrong with a game being sold digitally. All of planet earth has accepted music amd movies being sold digitally, and now games as well. Sure, there is a portion of people who like physical games. As do I. But there’s a difference between liking something, aka preferring something over digital, and outright waging war on digital like it’s an offense just for existing.

They don’t need reasons to sell a game digitally. They don’t have to justify it. It’s a widely accepted form of distribution. And that’s all there is to it. That said, there IS justification for it, even beyond that- the fact games have a file size so large that in order to fit multiple games, it would be too cost prohibitive. And gamers need to be a little bit flexible about that given they are running full console games on a tablet the size of a large phone.

I could at least understand a game that has a partial download that’s not multiplayer. I don’t like it when that happens and would prefer they not do such things. I’ll still buy it, because at the end of the day I still get the game on a cartridge and the download is no different than the updates every other game requires nowadays. But at least I understand the dissatisfaction. But when multiple games are included? Come on now. It’s unreasonable to expect them to fit multiple games on a cartridge that’s already expensive and difficult to fit single games on. Final Fantasy X, the game that matters, is physical. One of the greatest JR PJs ever created, and the full game is on cart. For someone who cares about physical games that sure seems appealing to me. Who cares about the sequel. Pretend it doesn’t exist if you must. It’s just a freebie download. A cherry on top of an already immaculate cartridge pie. It’s a game most people would not purchase if it was sold standalone, thus, it cannot financially warrant a physical release or the cost to release physically. At least, not in the west.

The point is, sometimes, due to the constraints of space and cost, some games will not be released physically or some games in a collection must be obtained via a separate download. It is what it is. Nobody’s asking you to like it. I don’t like it. But it’s an understandable reality. It’s 2019. Digital is a part of life now. There’s no war left to wage. Companies aren’t suddenly going to stop releasing games digitally when it makes no financial sense to do so just because 17 people on some Nintendo website swear they won’t buy a game if any part of it is digital.

@Shane76
It’s like talking to a brick wall. It doesn’t understand brilliance.

If it did we wouldn’t be having this conversation in the first place. Sometimes you have to spell things out word by word like you would to a child. And even then it still doesn’t understand

@Shane76
You’re not following.

They do care what their customers think. But reading this site doesn’t tell them that. They know what their customers think based on what their customers buy. You can find someone on the Internet saying just about anything. So coming to some fan site and reading what some random 12-year-old on the Internet is saying doesn’t tell them anything.

Money talks.

If/when a company really wants to know what customers think, in a different capacity, they will conduct a survey, where they can eliminate bias, get fair representation, and manage to get statistical results. Reading some random fansite comment section on the Internet is not how you achieve that. They might pay attention to their YT likes/dislikes, and I’m sure there’s a few other metrics they might keep an eye on. But if you think Nintendo just sits down and reads this site’s comment sections... come now.

@Shane76
I’m not wrong, guy. The notion that these multi billion dollar companies come to one of thousands of different websites and just read random comments of random people is utterly proposterous. Even if someone in the company by chance did happen to read some comments from some random website, that would not play into their decision-making as a company whatsoever. When you grow up and you learn about statistical data, bias and the proper ways to gauge customer interest and disinterest, perhaps then you will understand.

Get back to me in 15 years when you finish college and you understand the things I’m talking about, and you understand how businesses operate with the feedback loop. “I don’t know, for sure 100%” aliens aren’t planning on attacking planet earth tomorrow. However, I can boil it down to a probability based on evidence. Likewise, I may not know what each individual person at Nintendo does, but I can tell you that is not standard business operating procedure, and the probability is so minute that I can confidently claim it’s not true. Feedback is meaningless unless you have certain controls in place. Unless you statistically ensure the sample is not over represented or underrepresented (aka bias), and even then, there’s the fact they have sales data (THE most important feedback). They know there’s a few people on the Internet who don’t like it but that’s not enough for them to suddenly start hemorrhaging money just to appease 0.000001% of people who stubbornly refuse to touch anything digital.

Your viewpoints are immature and lacking in wisdom concerning how the real world works. Like arguing with a child that tells you “YOU DON’T KNOW Santa Claus isn’t real”. No matter what you tell them they’re not going to see logic and reason. Not until they grow up and understand how the world works.

If you really want to give feedback to Nintendo, you need to participate in customer surveys, voice your opinions on their social media accounts (namely Twitter and Youtube) and most of all, vote with your wallet. But NintendLife is not NoA’s complaint department. This is a fan site, nothing more. We come here to discuss a common interest, not treat the comment section like a personal complaint department that Nintendo monitors.

@Shane76
Anger is a pretty natural response for the immature when facing a truth that challenges their immature beliefs

@Galenmereth Oh brother... You claim you're gonna contact a lawyer and have him or her sue SE or any other company for trying to 'scam' people of their money. Yet, there's no news of that.

Sounds to me you're just a internet warrior who likes to act cool by saying they will do something, but actually doesn't.

@Galenmereth XD Just as I thought, you're clearly a troll. Then again, it's just your opinion which is in the minority.

@Galenmereth The Wii Shop shutting down is inevitable. All things come to an end and I was like "Eh, it happens." No big deal about it although I like the Wii Shop, but as time goes by, it eventually happens.

And how is it that it's some basic consumer rights issue? Where's your evidence for that? Oh right, you're just pulling things out of hot air, dude. And do you really know a lawyer friend, or is that all talk? Listen, man. You can try to sue Nintendo, SE and any other gaming company, but they have legions of fans and supporters even if they make mistakes and if you tried to take them to court, you will almost certainly lose because you need one thing, evidence. And if you could somehow sneak into Nintendo or any other company and get it, then we'll start taking you seriously, which we'll doubt it.

@kobashi100: THIS! Not sure if you were the first to ‘say’ it, but buck X-2! I’m in it for FF10 and that’s it; sell the code for...what, $5 US and call it a day! Medium news, to me.