You've all seen (and no doubt poked fun at) the official diagram for Hori's Switch voice chat headset, and you may well have tried out the rather irksome, smartphone-based voice chat system Nintendo has created for its leading console. For the full experience you really need one of Hori's headsets, which come complete with an in-line remote for controlling audio and a mic which is built-into the headset, enabling voice comms with other teammates.
Hori's cheaper and more abundant headset, the Gaming Headset Air Stereo, arrived in Nintendo Life Towers this week and we've been putting it through its paces to see if this wired nightmare really is as bad as we'd expected. (Spoiler: lots of wires are involved.)
The Headset
Retailing for around £30, the Gaming Headset Air Stereo is a little less visually alluring than the more expensive Empera Hook HDP / Splat & Chat Headset Hori released to coincide with Splatoon 2. It's made from plain black plastic and has foam earpieces. The band is adjustable and the speaker units can be folded inwards, presumably so you can wear them around your neck more comfortably when not in a game. On the left-hand earpiece there's a microphone mounted on a metal arm which can be twisted, bent and generally manipulated so you have the perfect distance between your mouth and the mic.
As we've already established, this headset isn't wireless. A cord from the headphones ends in a standard 3.5mm audio jack so you can, if you wish, use them as an ordinary pair of headphones. However, the magic happens when you introduce the bundled in-line remote, which takes the audio from the Switch itself and the voice chat from your smartphone and runs them both through the headset. In the opposite direction, your voice is piped through the cable to your phone and the other members of your team.
The remote includes a switch for toggling your mic on and off as well as separate volume dials for game and voice chat audio. Also including in the box is a second extender lead, which allows you to use the headset when your Switch is in docked mode, next to your TV. It's worth noting that if you're an iPhone 7 user then you'll need to dig out that fiddly 3.5mm headset adapter as the Hori headset can't connect to your phone without it.
The Reality
When you've got all of the wires plugged in and voice chat is up and running, it does feel a little odd to have so many wires dangling everywhere – even if you're a child of the '90s and remember the days before everything went wireless, it's a strange and rather restrictive sensation. Every movement runs the risk of tangling or pulling the cables, and if you need to get up for a toilet break, you'd better make sure you extract yourself fully from the jungle of wires which cover most of your body - if not, you run the risk of dragging your Switch and your expensive smartphone along the floor with you.
We've probably exaggerating that slightly, because after a while the wires cease to be a major issue, and while Nintendo seems to have over-complicated things with its Switch Online application, there's definitely something to be said for having a second screen during play. For all of its faults, the headset works well enough, and you also don't have to worry about it running out of battery power.
The key issue here is that while the setup undoubtably does what its supposed to, Nintendo has over-complicated it unnecessarily. Granted, including Bluetooth audio in the console would have increased its production cost, but the tech is so common these days that it wouldn't have broken the bank, and would have avoided the disgruntled reaction the majority of the gaming world has had towards all those wires. The entire time we spent with Hori's headset we couldn't help but wish for a solution that didn't involve so many bloody cables, and it's a real shame that Nintendo wasn't a bit bolder with this aspect of Switch.
Nintendo has stated that Hori's headsets are just one solution for voice chat on Switch, but given that the console lacks wireless audio capabilities we honestly can't see how any other device can make this process any more streamlined. Bluetooth dongles are on option, but then you've got the issue of connecting up to your smartphone at the same time to get voice chat. In short, the setup Nintendo has chosen means using voice chat on the console is always going to be something of a pain; perhaps an updated Switch system will solve this problem in the not-too-distant future.
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Comments 110
I don'I care how well it works, not getting it.
Retro gone mad.
What I want to know is if this works with phone calls. I don't want to stop my game just because I get a phone call that is usually way less important than the game.
I wonder if there is anyone to even talk to during Turf Wars.....
It's actually amazing just how badly Nintendo handled such a fundamental and simple a thing as in-game voice chat.
I'm just gonna stick to discord at the moment and hope that Nintendo fixes this garbage one day.
I purchased the splatoon 2 headset for the switch and I hate to say it, but it's absolutely awful.
Too many wires, the headset itself can't be adjusted and is actually too big for my head and the audio quality is the worst I've experienced in a long time.
Posting this here for anyone interested on the quality of it since it's also a Hori product.
Yes, please release an updated Switch that allows for voice chat wirelessly. Go ahead and bump up the graphical power too Nintendo!
I truly wish they just gave up on all of this and put a Discord dedicated client on the Switch.
The Switch (as well as the Wii and Wii U) already uses Bluetooth for the controllers. I don't think there's anything stopping them from adding Bluetooth audio in a software update.
No way am I buying those cheap rubbish headphones, it would be quite the downgrade from the Astro A50s I use on PC/consoles.
@Shiryu That wouldnt fix the issue as the Switch console itself cant process audio going into it.
@BLP_Software Discord can work as a web app. So assuming the builtin browser is already there, it should work. But I am merely speculating at this point. I am just glad voice chat is not a major necessity for me.
Have always hated voice chat so this isn't really a bother for me as will not be getting it. Also don't own smart phone so can't download app
" Every movement runs the risk of tangling or pulling the cables, and if you need to get up for a toilet break, you'd better make sure you extract yourself fully from the jungle of wires which cover most of your body"
Dude, dafuq? It's like 3 cables.
Is it good, nice and necessary? No.
Is all this drama necessary? Also, no.
@Shiryu No I mean the actual physical hardware cannot process microphone input as far as I know. As in the headphone jack is just that. There is no way to get a mic in on the hardware.
So while a Discord web app would be nice...what would the point be?
Future To The Back.
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I really wonder if Nintendo has heard the cry!
As with all retail connected things.....Nintendo will state that the headset did not sell and this inturn means that voice chat is a very low to zero intrest feature therefore not required in future releases and RD.
Ya know, mine arrived yesterday (just got it for the adapter, I use with my own earbuds) and, honestly, despite how bad everyone has tried to make it seem, it's actually pretty easy and not nearly the mess people would have you believe. Is it ideal? Well, no. Obviously. But hardly an inconvenience. Used with Discord. Mixes audio extremely well, with separate volume sliders for phone audio and game audio.
Very happy with this adapter
To be completely honest:
I have no clue where all that Drama is coming from.
Like some people already mentioned, everyone and their moms have a discord server. Just use that.
Discord runs on absolutely anything, gives you enough flexibility in terms of what headset you want to use, offers more than just voice chat etc.
I've never once used any form of in-game voice chats for one simple reason:
You turn the game off and your call is lost.
With outside calls, you can change the game on a whim, take a gameplay break and still keep the call etc.
But oh well. Guess it would be boring if people wouldn't complain all day...
y don't they mention how u can also use the headset with discord on ur phone!? that's the plus to this. also u don't have to use the headset. u can use any comfy earbuds of ur choice with the mic built in. yes cords r a pain but when u wanna play at work on ur lunch break with ur mobile hotspot, this thing is a god send.
Not the best review! How long is the cable to the switch? Why do we not have to worry about it running out of battery power. Is it charging my phone?
@JaxonH my point exactly I got it for the adapter as well and it works great with discord. and like u said not perfect but its certainly making the best out of a "no Bluetooth" situation
@JaxonH can you buy the hub on its own or did you buy the headphone set ?
@JaxonH What you said. It's starting to get irritating that even NL itself has joined the trend of putting negative spins on stories for clicks. I mean, why couldn't this be titled "How Is Hori's Wired 'Solution' For Switch Voice Chat?" ? Same idea, but lets us decide for ourselves whether this is good, bad or meh. The community doesn't help either, everybody just wants something to hate.
@JaxonH lol of course you'd have this take.
Also, shouldn't chew tobacco. The wife won't like it.
I'm just worried that despite how much I'm loving Splatoon2 (never had a WiiU either), that eventually I'm going to get frustrated with this game, as I level higher, cuz there is no good way to communicate with my team, and coordinate attacks. It's obvious when I'm getting smoked by people vocally working together.
Oh yeah Discord. Been retro gaming for years until recently - keep forgetting about this.
@Einherjar thinking of getting discord myself, does it work in the background? So if I have texts, screen lock etc.
@Lord
Gotta buy headset, it's $30. But finding a good device to merge audio like this is hard. It's not easy like people may thing. This adapter is worth it by itself imo. Forget the headset. But the adapter with Discord is amazing.
@nab1
Ya, decide for yourself. You've heard everyone's arguments for how bad it is. Now you can hear from people using it who like it. Make up your own mind. Me? I love the little adapter. It's a shame we have to resort to using one, but it is what it is and tbh, and this solves everything, AND works with Discord. Forget Nintendo's app. Use discord.
@gatorboi352
So... I should force myself to hate this adapter even though it works great? I love that little adapter. And works with Discord, which is perfect.
@JaxonH not at all. But, I'd actually argue that your overwhelming support for everything Nintendo is a little forced. At east it kinda comes off that way.
Serious question: are you in the PlayStation and XBox fansites with the same enthusiasm?
@BLP_Software Dang it so we will always need something connected via USB to process microphone audio? Well, that's a pickle... better keep Discord app on your smartphone while you play I guess.
They wanted to fix Nintendo's mess but made it messier! Dont mess with Nintendo's mess Hori!
@JaxonH see, comment #34 is something more along the lines of not forcing it. And being sensible about it.
"and if you need to get up for a toilet break, you'd better make sure you extract yourself fully from the jungle of wires which cover most of your body - if not, you run the risk of dragging your Switch and your expensive smartphone along the floor with you".
I laugh way too much with this part.
The online app is disastrous and I don't see myself paying for it. I might as well enjoy Splatoon2 now and then just sell it.
lol
@Yorumi thats the worst part really.
@gatorboi352
"overwhelming support"
Hm... didn't know enjoying the benefits a Hori adapter brings constitutes "overwhelming support". I assure you, my opinions are genuine, and that comment may not be forced, but it's far from balanced.
Do I like Nintendo's online solution? Nope. Do I like their app? Nope. Splatnet2 is cool as heck though. But this is a great solution given the circumstances, and works extremely well.
But of course, if I don't jump every time you feel I should jump (which is pretty much every time there's even a remote gripe from someone) you accuse me of forcing it.
And yes, actually. People hated me for calling out their hypocrisy about all the PS4 ports. Something I loved. People hated me for not getting in a tizzy over all kinds of things. Basically, any time someone is upset, they cling to it, and expect every other person to adopt their "correct" opinion.
Well sorry. You wanna rant and rave, no one's stopping you. But Ima do me. And I don't live life sour to the uttermost. So ya, I like the adapter, and I make no apologies for that. Cause it's a great adapter
@SLIGEACH_EIRE For any iOS game Devs reading this:
#Idea - telegraph operator
As the telegraph operator onboard an ocean going liner circa early 1900's you send and recieve messages (using a single digit on the touchscreen) giving you an insight into the wants, desires and prejudices of a cross section of society while your telegraph sending screen tapping skills are tested.
Oh and did anyone say "iceberg right ahead?"
I expect nothing except a "thank you" when you attend all of the inevitable awards ceremonies.
@cobalto NintendoLife: Where a nightmare is equivalent to a slight inconvenience.
Personally glad none the systems work that well, although to say it does the job intended these things seem like petty criticism
** BAD ALL VOICE CHAT ON GAMES THAT ARE NOT RATED AS over18 **
Geez ppl stop hating on NLife for "joining the bandwagon". True is Nintendo drop the ball here and went with the cheapest and most inconvinient way for voice chat and just shows how out of date they are when it comes to online gaming. They really need to step it up in this area cause online is the present and the future.
They are overcomplicating something it should be a painless process and in top of that want us to paid for it.
I get that we live in an era where wires are quickly becoming obsolete, but requiring ONE adapter and a whopping total of 3 cables is hardly the end of the world. It sucks that we need to use it but all things considered, it's really not that big of an issue.
@JaxonH No, because I see a cable which makes it an inconvenience already, but then I see even more cables beyond the initial one, and that makes it nothing short of a mess, and then I see smartphone getting its batteries drained, and now I have all the empirical evidence I need to feel comfortable with pointing out that this is unacceptable in 2017.
Why would you want to support something like that? Honestly ... why would you go so far as to basically advertise for it ...
The Swtich is a great little system, but its voice chat approach is all but broken. No need to sugar coat anything here.
@Lord
Yup, voice chat works perfectly fine while multi tasking in a mobile device. And with a little tinkering (Discords Role settings) you can lock certain voice chat channels to specific games, so you wont get several folks joining the same channel playing different games ^^
@Yorumi
To be fair, i have no issues with Nintendo charging for their online services now, especially with the current asking price.
And like i said, im personally more for an outside chat solution anyways. Especially on handheld systems, as it means less background stuff draining the battery.
That said: These adapter and app shenanigans are, what we call in Germany, "Bauernfänger" (Peasant catchers / traps).
Basically, a non-optimal solution for people who just don't know any better...which sadly might be most of their "casual" audience...
So yeah, i completely get why people are upset, then again, this literally is a "Golden Tanooki Suit" situation.
Just use the free, more comfortable and easier alternative, spread the word and be done with it.
You know it's really easy to moan at hori for this but what do you expect from a budget headset, all this complaining about lack of bluetooth,when you could by a wireless gaming headset from tritton or turtle beach which will work with the switch. The only cable I need is one to plug from headset to my phone all the mixing is done on the earcup and the wireless transmitter get its audio from my tv's optical port instead of the console giving the same number of cables as the ps4 xbox etc. The turtle beach elite 800s although expensive are fully wireless as they have bluetooth for connecting to your phone. Also the tritton katana HD's use hdmi audio in order to work. Seriously quit complaining you get what you pay for.
@Ralek85
No one is disagreeing that Nintendo's voice chat solution is a joke.
But that's the reality we live in. And I want to play and voice chat with my friends. So I have a choice. I can either sulk in a corner about how horrible it is, or, I can roll my sleeves up and do what I gotta do to enjoy my video games to the fullest. And this adapter, despite the fact it's not ideal we have to use one, is actually a great solution. And nomatter how anyone spins it, one extra cord is not "a mess". It's simply, and only, one extra cord. One extra cord and all my problems go away. One extra cord and I can voice chat with anyone, not just friends but anyone.
A mess is the PSVR. With like half a dozen extra cords. Big ones. With quad wires running in dual bound cables as thick as a rope. One extra headphone cord? That's not a mess. It's not ideal... no. But come on. How detrimental to your life can one extra headphone cord be.
@Yorumi I get that it should've been a feature from the start. However it's not like there aren't many simple workarounds, such as using Discord or even simply not bothering with headphones in the first place. That's why I feel like people are blowing this out of proportion. That and the fact that apparently three cables is too big of a mess, even though it's barely an issue.
I'm glad I'm not into this whole voice chat thing. Seems a right pain in the ar$e. Plus the image of playing a videogame with a headset on and speaking into it just makes me cringe with embarrassment. I know I'd laugh seeing an adult doing that!
@Yorumi From a strictly consumer standpoint yes, you're absolutely right. There is no incentive to do so.
But the WiiU created heavy losses and keeping servers up and running does cost quite a bit of money.
And compared to its direct competition, and Sony rising the price tag yet again (at least here in Europe), Nintendos prices really aren't that big of a deal.
If this means that servers will stay up a little longer (DS server shutdown meant DQ IX can't be 100% finished anymore for instance, Devils Third died way too quickly etc.) im perfectly fine with it.
So yeah, for 20 bucks a year (3 months of PSN for comparison) i won't lose any sleep over this anytime soon, even if their official voice chat solution is a convoluted mess.
I believe they've made voice chat a pain on purpose because it's a nightmare for moderation and abuse. They're making the barrier intentionally high so only people who really want it will do it, and if people just use Discord or whatever, it's not their problem.
Personally I have no interest in listening to 12 year olds shout slurs at each other so it's not exactly something I will miss.
@GravyThief Whats so embarrassing about talking to people over a headset when you're playing a game together ? O.o
Do you also seek out a quiet corner to talk on the phone, so no one will see you do it ?...
@Yorumi A: They're not charging that much. B: It has more functionality than simply being voice chat. C: If you absolutely hate the service, use something else!
I wish people actually tried to look at what a product or company does right instead of instantly bashing them for every small mistake.
@Einherjar I just don't get it. I'm of the NES/SNES generation and multiplayer for me was always playing together round the TV. I just don't get the whole voice chat thing and I can't imagine playing a game whilst saying things that would normally be said by army personnel into a headset in my house. It's not for me, and I find the concept quite amusing. It always reminds me of the enhancement smoker scene in the film half baked: "Red team go! Red team go!".
What a messy solution for something that should not be in 2017.
@Yorumi And you're right. When there's a problem with a product, you should criticize it and point out the issues. But there's a big difference between fairly criticizing and b*tching about a product that hasn't even been out for a month, calling it a steaming pile of crap and ignoring everything it HAS done right. Again, It's not even a month old and it is going to stay free for another 5 months AT LEAST. That's more than enough time to test out the product, see whether you want to stick with it and, more importantly, for Nintendo to update it. As it is, it's definitely lackluster (on the voice chat side at least). But have some patience and try to trust Nintendo. Try to enjoy what you can do with it now. After all, you can still use it absolutely free for several more months.
@Yorumi "Shutting down all criticism". Right because I totally haven't said multiple times that it IS flawed and DOES need improvement. I've never said that it's great that we're paying for the service, simply that it is nice that we get over half a year of a free trial before having to pay. All I'm trying to do is help someone see things from another point of view and consider both sides of the situation, but if you prefer raving about how awful it is and how bad Nintendo is, then fine, I won't and can't stop you. But for god's sake, if you hate the app that much, just use discord and stop adding to the needless cesspool of negativity here. It definitely doesn't help anyone here, be it Nintendo or the commenters on this site. I'm more than happy with arguing intelligently about any topic, but not if the other party is going to ramble on one-sidedly without listening to anything I'm saying.
Eh. Hori couldn't have done much better with the crap Nintendo has given them to work with.
Seriously Nintendo it's 2017! I know Nintendo is relatively new to online gaming services and the like but it's not like it hasn't been done before they have models to go by. I hope they add BT in the next Switch revision(like the GBA SP backlit screens) or add it to the Joy-Con's with a FW update that could allow BT compatible headsets kind of like how they added the motion plus to the wiimotes.
@tguk911 @RainbowGazelle
Seriously there are better headsets out there look at tritton's line of headsets particularly the Katana HDs they are wireless and can get the chat working with one cable I mean seriously what do expect from a cheap wired headset. I don't know why hori didn't make a wireless one anyway (probably too expensive if people are complaining about what they just made)
@Damo
The tritton katana HD's are wireless and are paper entry know for nintendo switch (check their product page)
also although expensive the turtle beach elite 800s are fully wireless as they can get audio from your tv's optical port (if it has one) and connect to your phone via bluetooth at the same time. So there is already an answer for the end of your article
A "chord"? A "chord" is many things but not a CORD, a cable, a wire.
These people get paid to write, ladies and gentlemen. On a computer, with logistical spell checkers so they can tell if you're using the right word (or do you not have those in Brexit land?).
@Yorumi To be brutally honest, i grow tired of this exchange :/
Lets put it this way:
At this rate, you'll get gray hair faster but save 20 bucks a year.
I tend to not worry about stuff like that all too much anymore.
@GravyThief Wait...what ? Army team ? O.o
I can't follow you in the slightest to be completely honest... i have no clue what you think telecommunication is like but...peopel are just talking...to each other...on a phone you don't need to hold in your hands...
And the appeal ? Look at the times, most people don't have time to visit their friends to hang out on the couch, so playing online is their only alternative. And then they talk with one another.
I fail to see why that is such a foreign concept to you...
Still a hassle. I'll just use Discord.
@Yozora146_
Hori couldn't do a wireless headset because the system doesn't allow for it hence why you have to use a smartphone app for chat. And I'm pretty sure you can't get chat hooked up with the Katana HD's with only 1 wire since it needs to hook up to the phone with the adapter that comes with the Splatoon one or the one pictured above and even then I don't know it it would be compatible with the drivers for chat.
@Einherjar I might be showing my ignorance of voice chat. I picture it only being used for things like coop shooters, a group of friends pretending they're an army squad negotiating enemy territory together. Hence my army remarks and what I find amusing: picturing a group of adults doing just that in their various abodes whilst their wives/children/cat sit next to them on the sofa.
You seem to be referring to people just chatting normally whilst playing a game online together, say Mario Kart. Which of course is not amusing in the slightest. I didn't realise bespoke voice chat solutions were used for that purpose, I don't understand why you'd need all these wires for what is basically a phone call with your chums whilst playing a game. But as you can probably gather by now, I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to voice chat!
@tguk911
It does I've got them working along with an older headset by PDP you see like on other consoles chat audio and game audio are seperate things you see the headset gets its audio from the hdmi cable that you use to connect the switch to your tv and then uses a pass through (obviously this would only work in docked mode) to push the video signal to your tv. From there you connect a 3.5mm jack from the headset to your smartphone and then boot up the app (or use discord like me) essentially that splitter that hori made is built into the earcup of the headset and uses the same method for all gaming devices ps4 (fully wireless though as yhe ps3 supports usb chat) xbox1 (needs the 3.5mm to be plugged into the control) etc. Hope this makes sense. The headset costs £110 btw so yeah big price difference.
@Yorumi yeah I'm seeing it differently now, more of a social thing whilst playing the game, rather than intrinsic to the game itself.
I can understand the frustration people have with this solution then, it would be nice if the 'voice chat' and game all ran from the console, so you don't have the inconvenience of two sets of audio to manage, or the issues of your normal phone functions interfering with the voice chat. I could never be bothered with this.
How does it work with PS4 and XB1? I take it those consoles have voice chat integrated into their system?
@Yozora146_
This can be done with the Nintendo app too? I know you can set things up with Team Speak and Dischord I have my Astro A40 split with my PS4 and my computer or phone so I can hear the game audio and have voice chat through team speak all out of my headset for FFXIV, so I know about splitting channels but there most likely won't be a true wireless system with voice chat especially in portable mode unless we get some hardware changes on the switch or the in the joy cons and to have to go through an app is ridiculous it's up there with no Netflix and no save manager.
@Yorumi If we are having to pay $20 a ywar for this and P2P online what is your opinion of Sony and $60 a year for P2P online? Genuinely curious.
@tguk911
Yeah your right true wireless for portable is a big no but I guess you can't have everything. Astro A40s are a great headset btw had them for xbox1 before swapping them for turtle beach elite 800s I'm not sure if you can get them working the same way. The elite 800s btw can get full wireless in docked mode as they can use bluetooth to connect to the phone and it's wirelesss transmitter at the same time only difference is as the switch has no optical port I have to plug the optical cable into my tv instead from the transmitter. none of this fixes nintendo's shoddy chat system though.
Pleasure talking to you btw especially as some of the comments on this section have gotten toxic.
@Yorumi You didnt answer the question.
I asked why you find $20 unacceptable for P2P but not $60 for it. Do you?
Hori's product is just building around the restrictions Nintendo put in place, even if everything was wireless, there still isn't a reason you shouldn't be able to just plug your wired headset into the Switch and have voice chat work.
@Yozora146_
I love my A40's especially the mixamp pro so I'll prob start messing around with a rig next week when I pick up Splatoon but will probably have to use Team Speak though I really hope Nintendo integrates a voice chat app into the system in the future because I prefer voice chat and game audio together. I've been looking for a new wireless headset after my A50's gen2 broke so I might look into the 800s like you suggested because I'm not to sure about the new A50's. It was nice talking with you as well and I totally agree about the toxicity of posts I feel a lot of people don't think they need to respect other people since they're protected by the anonymity the internet provides.
@Yorumi Fair enough. Thanks for the info
@Yorumi
Im paying for an online service, like on both competitor platforms as well. And if the reduced cost means not having a build in voice chat function that i never used elsewhere anyways...yeah, im perfectly fine with that.
I had more issues with a subscription service that costs the same as other but doesnt even come up to par with them.
Soo, yeah. Less for less. Not losing sleep here.
@GravyThief
Even in the described scenario, i personally see nothing wrong with it. Quite the opposite, it tells me that the game seems to be pretty immersive.
As the name suggests, "Voice Chat" is just what it says on the tin. A literal voice chat with either your buddies or strangers.
And of course its often used to discuss strategies in game. Higher level play actually is pretty dependent of it.
And, as you probably guessed from the boatload of comments here: It usually doesn't require a degree in advanced cable management
Its just a super silly solution to an issue that shouldn't have existed in the first place. All of this could have been prevented with a USB port on the console and / or the controllers to plug your headphones in.
Which is why Discord is the better option. Does more and does it more flexible on pretty much every device.
@JaxonH This is not about PSVR. VR is pretty new as far as consumer tech goes, voice chat ... isn't. I consider any cord between my headset and anything else a mess since I've been used to a wireless headset for my X1/PS4 and PC now for many years, so ... yes, one cord is kinda messy, multiple cords absolutely qualify for a full blown mess in my eyes.
Again, 10 years ago, I would not have batted much of an eye on that. At one point I was using an Astro Mixamp, which was not all that different from this solution, so it's not like I have not seen it before. That was quite some time ago though, and this is now.
Here and how this is a major failure.
As for sulking, I'm not sulking, but the fact is, that I'm not going to use this, and neither is anyone I know. It is exactly as you said, it is a joke - nothing more to it.
I have to say though, it's not JUST this. The fact, that there is e.g. no team queueing in Splatoon 2, is even more of a joke. It's not that complicated really, I'll stick to playing Zelda or ARMs, or other Switch exclusives I enjoy without all kinds of hoops to jump through, and for the rest, well, I guess I'll continue to enjoy the fantastic game that is Overwatch - incl. flawless matchmaking, team queueing and voice chat.
THe truth is, that I own more system than the Switch, hence I have zero need and certainly zero desire to compromise on the most basic of basic features in 2017. I still bought the system, I'll still buy games for it, but just far less than I would otherwise.
Given the competition, Nintendo is just not doing good enough - not for me. I wish, I really do, it were different, but it isn't and if I want to complain about their inability to get the most basic aspects of a multiplayer online ecosystem right, well, then I will continue to do so
I don't get why Nintendo couldn't sign something up with Discord to make them developp an app for the switch. Wireless headset would still be a no go but at least, with an integrated mic ( there was one on the wii u gamepad. Why there isn't one on the switch) it would still be a better solution in 2017.
@Ralek85
For me, the game trumps all. And I would rather be playing Splatoon 2 with either no voice chat or voice chat via Discord and adapter, than I would play anything else with system level voice chat.
It may be compromising on the chat, but I choose to compromise on that before I'll compromise by playing a game less fun simply because chat involves one less wire.
I mean, I get it. Nintendo's Online is wack. I sent them ranting feedback on the matter. But be that as it may, this adapter helps solve the problem in spite of Nintendo's poor online solutions. And that's cool with me. 95% of the time I don't even use voice chat. But even if I used it every time, I'm not gonna go play some other game that isn't as fun. I'm gonna play the game I love- voice chat or not. Thankfully, "not" is no longer mandatory, as I can now voice chat with this adapter and Discord.
If that's a mess, then fine, it's a mess, but it's a 1 extra wire mess, it's a "I'm only mad on principle not because it actually impedes my enjoyment" mess. And that's not the kind of mess that's gonna stop me from playing what is, imo, the funnest MP game I've ever played and that all my friends are playing.
@JaxonH thanks for the pic but that is a mess. Its a portable console for ffffffffffff sake.
@Anguspuss
It's not ideal. But a mess? That's a stretch. My above comment touches on this sentiment.
This is what it takes to merge audio from Discord. If having an extra wire sit next to you ruins your entertainment so much that you simply cannot enjoy the game, then I guess don't play the game and don't use it. Me? I'm upset at Nintendo for having goofy online service but Hori has stepped up and save the day with this godsend of a device. Mess? Sure... I guess. If what you see in that picture seems like a mess then I guess it's a mess- for me I don't see a mess- I see my phone sitting next to me and a cord plugged in. I understand people are upset that it's not as smooth of an experience as it could be and I agree wholeheartedly but I also think people are trying to exaggerate the inconvenience. It's one extra cord running into your phone. You can label that is a mess or a disaster or a catastrophe or whatever you want but at the end of the day it's one extra cord running into your phone.
I can definitely live with that. And I am grateful that despite Nintendo's complete failure at providing online, Hori has stepped up, Hori has brought us a solution, Hori has provided a legit alternative to Nintendo's failed app (which may improve in the final version but right now, it's failed). I'm grateful Hori has saved me- saved us, from relying on Nintendo's retarted app. Now, I can delete the stupid app and use this with Discord, and never have to deal with the nonsense. Idk why everyone is bashing on Hori here. People should be thanking them for saving us from Nintendo's "solution". Now we can Discord, merge audio and never touch that god-forsaken app (except for Splatnet2, which is rad as heck). Mess? The mess is not having this device. The mess is trying to voice chat with Nintendo's app, without merging audio. That's the mess. This is the solution.
Surely they could just patch in voice chat to the console and eliminate all this mess, whoever thought this was an acceptable solution really needs to consider another line of work
Any word on hori selling the mixer as a standalone? I'm only interested on that; it would be very useful for not bothering roommates.
Easy solution:
Step 1) buy a Bluetooth or wired headset
Step 2) connect it to your phone
Step 3) call your friends
The End. No need for this nonsense.
@JaxonH THANK YOU.
@JaxonH I don't know. I enjoy Overwatch at least as much as I enjoyed playing Splatoon 1 or the Splatoon 2 stresstest/ demo. I think in some ways Overwatch is superior, as the gameplay is certainly more varied due to the many vastly different heroes, and the mechanism in place to encourage teamplay (mostly due to its reliance at the most basic level on the holy trinity of tank/dps/support - but it just flatout works, always has, always will) are more effective.
Also, like I said, in Overwatch, I can play with my friends without any issue, on the same team no less, with virtually no wait time, and voice chat + game sound to boot.
I do like the music in Splatoon better, and I also like its style (though not necessarily better, because the hero design in Overwatch is just completely fantastic down to the little elements of humor and the outrageously good voice acting). The singleplayer in OVerwatch is sh** though, as it barely exists, I also find ich less entertaining on my own - on the other hand, I completely nails teamplay at all fronts.
Other than ... both games add new content regularly, OVerwatch is incredibly responsive to fans/community with constant fine tuning and changes ... Blizzard imho is one of the few companies, who deliver the same kind of pitch-perfect production values and gameplay-over-visuals approach that Nintendo prizes itself on.
Mostly though, I can just play Overwatch with my friends, because all of them have a system that runs the game (most are on Ps4), and the teamplay is just perfect. You make a group, you join the game, you join the queue, you play. Done. You don't have to join one-by-one, praying hoping to get in, or that you even end up in the same team, cursing should you encounter a connection error (which I did like once every 60hours or so of play), you don't have to worry about who has voice chat or who doesn't - everyone I play with on PS4 has a headset set up ...
It just flat out works, the SystemOS level stuff works, and the game does as well.
In the end, if I consider two games equally good, I go with the one, that gives me the best experience playing with buddies, and that is Overwatch. There is absolutely no question about that. No one I know wants to come home from work, pick up the controller, and than - wanting to play with buddies - have to stare at a screen, waiting to be allowed into the looby, only to then end up on the wrong team ... and only to find out most people in his team can't be bothered to set up the overly complicated voice chat solution, so really, he is just playing by himself for all intents and purposes.
In its current state, it is simply a no-go, and frankly, as far as playing together and communicating with others go, it can barely compare at all. So no, I don't think Splatoon 2 is better, and certainly absolutely not THAT MUCH better than e.g. Overwatch, to justify any of the issues with the game or Nintendo's own voice chat. I'm absolutely a hard-no on that front. I love Nintend, I do, that's why I got a Switch and all, but I'm 100% able to recognize that others build fantastic games as well, and Overwatch is just one such game.
It's like ... Overwatch is the Toy Story of games, and Splatoon 2 is the Lion King. They are different, yet also similar, and I love them both to death, but imagine like ... you could only get Lion King on VHS, while you could get Toy Story on Blu-ray. All things being equal, Toy Story gotta be the one you got with. That's no mark against the Lion King, but a mark against Disney for not doing their creation justice and sticking to retro tech.
@Ralek85
I'm not judging you. Do you. If you'd rather play another game, by all means do so. But I wouldn't. Most of the time when I play with friends, it's whoever's online at the time, and I jump in a match with them. Might take a few minutes, but that's hardly an end of world scenario.
I don't really enjoy competitive shooters online. At all. And I refuse to buy MP only games that force online (like overwatch). But I love Splatoon. It just ain't that serious. I like the game, I play the game. Even with randoms I'd rather spend my time with Splatoon right now than anything else.
I mean ya, Overwatch has great features like you mentioned and it would be great if one day Splatoon was like that. But either way, as is, the game is hella fun, and even most people I know who traditionally play stuff like Overwatch or Rocket League or whatever, are all buying Switches and playing Splatoon. If I gotta use Discord, then I'll use Discord.
@JaxonH Well said. It's ok to like all kinds of games. I love Splatoon 1 and 2. I also love Overwatch. I like Battlefield 1 and Call of Duty. Breath of the Wild is one of my favorite games ever. So is the very first Legend of Zelda on NES. I never understood why liking one game means you can't like another.
Nintendo's awesome strategy: release amazing multiplayer games that are a pain to play online with friends. I'm ready for them to stop making consoles.
Nintendo have never caught up with online since Iwata decided customers wouldn't pay for it.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/news050704iwatacomments
Don't be fooled, this voice chat mess is just corporate rear-covering. Its not about protecting kids,,it's about protecting themselves. They've decided kids may play online and parents are too stupid to be trusted with things like parental controls so they've put a huge extra layer of complication in, allowing them to blame smartphones if any child playing online has a nasty experience. Even if you think that's a noble cause, it's a pretty inept way of doing it.
@Bengals76 @BLP_Software @Shiryu @tguk911
The Switch has a Broadcom/Cypress BCM4356 SoC for 802.11ac Wifi, and that has integrated Bluetooth 4.1 support. There is no hardware reason why the switch does not support Bluetooth headsets. Here is the spec sheet.
http://www.cypress.com/documentation/datasheets/bcm4356-single-chip-5g-wifi-ieee-80211ac-2-2-macbasebandradio-integrated
The Audio chip is a Realtek ALC5639, it has a mic in and audio out. Here is the documentation confirmation.
http://developer.download.nvidia.com/embedded/jetson/TK1/2014-03-24/JetsonTK1_ModuleSpecification_PM375_V1.0.pdf
The absolute only reason the switch does not support a standard wired headset in handheld mode and a bluetooth headset in handheld and TV mode is simply Nintendo chose not not. The extra system load, once the heavy lifting is offloaded to the above chipsets is so small it is of no practical effect.
I find it frustrating when even a Nintendo focus news site such as this can not get these clear facts right and repeat the Nintendo line that there is nothing they can do at this point, the hardware is the hardware. Yes, the hardware is the hardware, anyone can take it apart and see what is supported and many have. (Big fan of NintendoLife, just to be clear )
They are using a BSD based kernel, again this we know, as does the PS4. All these chipset functions are fully supported in the BSD stack so the tools are there to deploy a standard voice solution.
I would expect the very first system mod released once the kernel is exploited will be a on system version of the online app.
Sorry for the long post but we should all be very clear the only roadblock is Nintendo.
I am very disappointed in the click-baity headline on the article. And guess what? This article has tons of comments. Please do not let it become a trend, or you will lose a very dear reader. I love the site as much as the next guy, but if it becomes trash, I will not visit again.
Sincerely,
A concerned reader.
What 7-12 year old kid is gonna take care of all that. Its hard enough for my kid to keep track of his phone, charger, and earbuds. Good luck.
@JaxonH I'm not judging you for playing, but I do think you are trying to play down the fact, that there are severe issues with Nintendo's Voice Chat implementation and Nintendo's matchmaking/queueing in Splatoon 2.
Also, and just to be fair, Overwatch is neither traditional nor is does it take itself seriously - maybe more seriously than Splatoon, but it is a far cry from Quake, UT, Painkiller, HL Deathmatch, CoD and so on and so forth. It is very colourful, with an extremely colourful cast, and lots of humour. Frankly, I always thought about it as kind of a Pixar'esque shooter, no less for the excellently animated and voiced character-based short-films (which you should watch btw, even if you do not care for the game) Blizzard releases produces for their characters. I mean, the game features a big, very intelligent, very talkative gorilla as a main character
I would love to tell my friends to get a Switch, so we can all play Splatoon TOGETHER, but from what I can gather about the game, there is currently no way to do? I mean, how do I get 4-5 people into the same team, to be then match made against a bunch of other people online?
That is just the way we play, we meet up in a PSN party, we choose a game, be it Destiny, Dreadnought, OVerwatch or whatever really, we start the game, and then we queue together to play together. We are into cooperative-play and team-play - not randomly playing each other. That is just not our style (if you someone else likes it that way, fine by me). Also, often buddies have only like 2 hours or so at night time available to them to play, so anything that takes longer than a couple of minutes to set up ... is just not gonna fly, and I cannot in good conscience suggest it to them.
There was definitely interest for Splatoon 2, but once articles came out about how matchmaking and queueing worked, and once the whole voice chat debate got rolling, I'm sad to say that said interest basically then vanished over night.
As for Discord, I don't quite see how that helps, because it can't handle game audio. Sure, you can use plugs and then a headset on top of that, but ... meh, me not likely. We have strict rules against using speakers when in voice chat, because that is just super annoying to everyone in the channel, no matter the platform or app, so that is definitely not gonna work ... so no, I kinda need an all-in-one solution for my purposes and my crowd ^^
Most of all, no matter how good Splatoon 2 (again, I would say it is fantastic, but so is OVerwatch - not CoD, not Destiny, not Titan Fall 2, but Overwatch ... OW is fantastic ^^), everything else that comes with it is a severe downgrade over the experience you'll get on PC, PS4 and X1. YOu can work around some of it, and you might be willing to compromise about the rest, or it might not matter to you all that much, because you just play for leisure and tactical coordination, or even trash talk is just meaningless to you, but there are many folks out there- myself included - to whom it is not meaningless.
I don't think any of that is really debatable, and holding that to be a fact, I think Nintendo failed players like me - once again, I have to say. Again, though, I'm sad about it, but I'm not going to sulk and be like "oh, now I'm gonna sell off my Switch" or nonsense like that. I'm just to wait for SPlatoon 2 to go on sale, and I'll mostly play it for the SP, and most of my multiplayer needs will be servered by other platforms like the PS4. It just means I will spend less cash overall on the Switch than I would have otherwise done.
I think that is fair, considering that Nintendo is offering an inferior experience in terms of multiplayer. It's just the way it is, or frankly, this is by design - their design. What I won't do is go around and tell folks, that at the end of the day, what they are doing is fine ... or that it can compare favouribly with the competition. I think it's a sad state of affairs, and it cannot at all compare favourable with the vast majority of the industry, not today - not 5 years ago =(
I wish it were different, because man, I was READY to JUMP on Splatoon 2 right away, and honestly, I could not even have imagined they would it make that hard to setup group play with friends, that never occured to me beforehand, because I had not experienced anything like that in many years in any major AAA MP release, but then again, it's Nintendo, so I guess we had to anticipate some shenanigans :-/
I don't man, it's just a disappointment, and I have no interest in trying to rationalize it away. It simply doesn't work for my purposes, and no, I'm not a super demanding customer, but you gotta have your basics down. There is just no way around that. Nothing else matters if you don't nail your basics. Nintendo from my humble point of view, nailed all the high-level stuff, or most of it at the very least, but they totally flunked the basics of a multiplayer environment. It has to be convenient, and it has to work - or efficient, not just effective.
It's not good enough that I might be able to eventually get all my friends into my lobby, and eventually we might end up in the same team. It's not enough, not by a long shoot. This is a basic task the system has to be able to deal with, and from what I can tell, it simply is not.
I don't use voice chat, but if I really needed to, I think I will use discord.
So many cables are a nightmare. It was necessary 15 years ago, but nowadays it's a pain.
@Ralek85
I'm not downplaying anything. I said Nintendo's voice chat sucks, several times. But I'm also not overexaggetating like others are either. There is a solition. Solution works great for me. Is it as good? No. Is it almost as good? Yes.
Again, you wanna not play the game, that's fine! Nobody has a problem with that. But just because you think it's not worth enjoying doesn't mean everyone else will agree, and it doesn't mean they're "downplaying" anything.
I wish Nintendo had a better system. But oh well. Life goes on. The game is still rad as heck, I can still voice chat, half the people at my work are buying it and playing it... Most just shrug their shoulders when I say ya, you'll need an adapter to merge audio from Discord, don't bother with the app. They simply ask where to buy it.
@JaxonH Have you read my comments? (I know they turned out quite lengthy^^). Anyways I said I wanted to play it, but from the information I could gather, it seems to me, that the only way I could play it is not the way I ever again want to play a multiplayer game - nor would any of the folks I usually play with.
I also said that I once used an Astro Mixamp, which is virtually the same thing really, so it is not like the voice chat issue by itself is going to stop me personally from playing the game (probably from using this particular solution though).
I can't convince anyone to invest into this to play Splatoon 2, because getting to actually play Splatoon 2 together takes a lot of doing from what I understand. More than I am comfortable with given the equally good and not so inconvenient option of just sticking with Overwatch.
If you have THAT many friends playing online, that you can use private matches ... that's great. I don't have that, and never will (not to mention that I kinda prefer to have different opponents every other match as to have room to grow, learn and improve upon my play), and frankly, I doubt that many people have that same luxury you do, which is kinda the reason systems like matchmaking were invented and are now considered a standard for multiplayer games of all ilks.
So let me make this as simple and clear as possible: I think it is fair and even necessary to tell folks straight up that if they expect the multiplayer in this game to work like the multiplayer in CoD, Destiny, Overwatch, Titanfall and dozens of all other similar games ... it doesn't. That is not a matter of opinion or preference, it is just a fact.
I really don't think anyone should try to ... gloss over these aspects because frankly, that will only lead to a lot of confusion, and in the end also a lot of disappointment.
I for one am glad, that I read the article USGamer published about the issues with the multiplayer system in Splatoon 2. Otherwise I would have purchased the game, expecting to get the same basic "features" everyone else on in the industry offers, only to find that this was in fact not the case .. which would have left me extremely disappointed and well, having just spend $60 on something I could not use the way I legitimately expected I would be able to use it, also a fair bit upset really.
I don't think the solution offered can compare at all - for example, the simple fact, that it limits you to an analogue stereo sound is itself super iffy in 2017 if you ask me, when every other system out there feeds at least a core 5.1 Dolby signal* to my Dolby Headphone encoder - but that at least is your legitimate OPINION. The rest is not an opinion though ...
It's fair to say though, that I have since transitioned to using a hdmi-audio splitter, so I could get multi-channel audio out of the docked Switch and feed it to my headphone encoder, just as it do with all my other systems ... it becomes complicate once I want to mix in audio though, which I would then simply handle through e.g. the PS4 or PC or any other system that allows for USB-audio. Of course it COULD be done, at least with my current setup, but I do not pretend everyone runs the same kind of config, nor do I feel the need to think all that much on it right now, as first of all, the issues with the multiplayer in Splatoon itself needs to be fixed, and then I'll see about getting my buddies on the system and THEN I'll think about how to best work around the voice chat situation ... again though, all of this is a hassle, and it really, really, really should not be anything at all of the sort.
It should be simple and seamless and I should not have to even think about it in this day and age ^^
'while Nintendo seems to have over-complicated things with its Switch Online application, there's definitely something to be said for having a second screen during play'
Which is ironic (and almost hilarious if it wasn't so sad) because the Wii U had a second screen and because Nintendo refuses to utilize the already existing second screen of the Switch.
Who ever designed the Switch, its dock and the Switch app clearly lacks any kind of competence (I wanted to write 'clearly is a moron', but that seemed insulting to real morons) and probably never used these things himself.
I don't even use voice chat but it's immediately clear to me how inconvenient it is having to merge the audio streams coming from the game and the smartphone plus also grabbing the mic sound while making sure you don't trip or strangle yourself with all those cables.
That a third party producer like Hori is even trying to clean up Nintendo's mess is commendable, but more than anything it is a testament to Nintendo's lack of vision these days.
@Ralek85
It's hard to read everything when there's so much text, when it could be a simple consise statement. Not... sure why you keep replying to me. You've stated your view multiple times now. I get it. I got it 3 comments back.
I do have tons of friends, co-workers, etc buying Switches. But that doesn't mean I can do private matches. They're almost never online at the same time. But that doesn't matter. Most all of us play with randoms (and don't give a hoot about voice chat) but I see someone else playing, I might join. Or, sometimes, we'll plan out Salmon Run and join Discord.
But the bottom line is yes, I agree, I've agreed 5 times now. It's less than ideal. But it's not the end of the world. Nobody I know cares about optical sound or any of that jazz. Well, one person I know does, and asked me about Switch, and I told him how it works and to use Discord, and he shrugged his shoulders. So ya, he cares, but hardly enough to even remotely elicit any sort of negative response about it. Cause at the end of the day, it's a freaking video game. Pop it in and play. If you wanna chat there's ways to do it. "Not having wireless" or "only having stereo sound" or whatever only really matters to a select few. Vast majority of people, myself included, just wanna play the game. The rest is fine print.
So, I got it. You don't like Nintendo's voice chat. Got it. Got it got it got it. Got it 24 hrs ago. Neither do I, but oh well. I found a reasonable solution, I'm happy, sorry you're not. Don't know what else to say
@GravyThief You are not alone My viewpoint is pretty much on par with yours.
It's not the adapter, it's the fact that you need it to get the full experience.
@JaxonH
"It's hard to read everything when there's so much text, when it could be a simple consise statement. Not... sure why you keep replying to me. You've stated your view multiple times now. I get it. I got it 3 comments back."
You get it ... or so you say. Let's see, and don't worry, I'll be concise this time around.
"But the bottom line is yes, I agree, I've agreed 5 times now. It's less than ideal. But it's not the end of the world. Nobody I know cares about optical sound or any of that jazz."
The first part is simply there for the sake of being patronizing, I assume, because you go right on to once more disagreeing with me.
The second part is a euphemism. The third is hyperbole. Finally, the last part is you once more rationalizing some aspect of the issue I alluded to away.
So no, you most definitely and absolutely did not get what I was saying, because what I was saying is this:
"I really don't think anyone should try to ... gloss over these aspects because frankly, that will only lead to a lot of confusion, and in the end also a lot of disappointment."
Your comment is basically hell bent on doing exactly that ... glossing over stuff, either by way of being patronizing, by way of employing euphemisms or hyperbole or by way of trying to rationalize away individual elements of the problem.
You are doing the exact opposite of what you say you are doing, and I have indeed pointed that out several times now, and you just keep at it, telling me you got it the first time around. Not to step on anyone's toes here, and a difference in opinion aside, but you most assuredly did not get it, not the first time around and not even now - no amount of being condescending or TL;DR is going to change that.
Just say that you disagree, that I'm wrong, that I'm full of b*s* or whatever, but don't tell me we are on the same page, only to do contradict that very sentiment within the same paragraph.
That concise enough for ya? =(
@JaxonH Oh I forgot about your conclusion:
"So, I got it. You don't like Nintendo's voice chat. Got it. Got it got it got it. Got it 24 hrs ago. Neither do I, but oh well. I found a reasonable solution, I'm happy, sorry you're not. Don't know what else to say"
No, I told you already, that I consider the matchmaking and queueing in Splatoon 2 to be broken, at least if you want to play WITH a group of friends ...
"You don't like Nintendo's voice chat" - I EXPLICITLY said, that this is only part of the problem. Anyways, I don't think we are speaking quite the same language, or at least, the barrier that is obviously there, I cannot overcome.
@DarkmarkUnited Nintendo's fault not Hori.
@shani Nintendo always bodge hardware in some way. That is a given.
Switch cannot be used for dual screen play like Wii U. Wii U had wireless streaming and screen mirroring built in as standard - Absolutely amazing, my favourite console ever and I will never be without it - but unfortunately the millions of Internet trolls who hate Nintendo consoles destroyed the Wii U's dual screen idealism and innovation.
@Ralek85
My comment is hell bent on expressing my personal feelings on the matter. Issues you describe as being "glossed over" are issues that simply don't bother me that much and are now non issues because I have a perfectly satisfactory solution... so I'm not going to sit here and pretend to be raging upset about something that hardly matters to me.
Nobody is glossing over anything. Everyone on this site is ******* 100% aware of exactly what kind of system Nintendo has in place. I've acknowledged that, I've accepted it, I've found a solution for it, and I've moved on with my life.
It seems you want everyone on the site to sit here and relentlessly proclaim how horrible it is and scream from every rooftop about what a disaster it is and if someone is not doing that, you take issue with it, because you want to make sure there is as much controversy as possible.
Dude. I don't give a crap like you do, and a lot of people don't give a crap like you do. I'm not going to go to the freaking Sony site and rant and rage that the screenshots aren't as instant capture like they are on Switch, and that I love taking screenshots but the delay is such that I don't even bother on PS4 and thus don't even want to bother playing games on the system- i'd rather play on switch where I can document my experiences with screenshots instantly... and then when people say "dude, it's almost just as fast and it doesn't bother me- I'm perfectly OK with how fast it is", and I say well, you're just glossing things over...
Now, please stop responding to me man. You're not going to change peoples' minds or opinions or feelings, and frankly, whether I get your opinion or not doesn't really matter- I've got other things in my life going on then to sit here and respond to you for 36 straight mother****** hours
@DarkmarkUnited It was until Microsoft bought it...
@JaxonH If you don't like what I have to say just press "Ignore". I won't be told by you or anyone for that matter what I can and cannot respond to - repeating it won't change that.
Anyways, you make a fair point, so please, tell me how DO you work around the fact that you can't queue with your friends? What do you actually do, if you have four of your friends/colleges or whatever online and you want to play with them against a bunch of other players online?
You have the game, I don't have game hence it is entirely possible that I have missed something. If you feel like providing an argument that is based on substance and not your precious feelings or opinions, I am totally willing to listen - despite the fact that you don't really seem to be that much into the idea of a debate as such. Well, at least I've never heard of your way of endorsing a debate by repeatedly ending comments with "please do not respond to this".
PS: Yes, I completely ignored your bit about screenshots, because I already conveyed my feelings and/or opinions about your staunch belief in rationalizations.
@Ralek85
It's not that I don't like what you have to say, it's the fact that you insist on repeatedly saying it.
If you don't like what I have to say just press "Ignore"
Done
@liveswired Well of course the Switch could be used for dual screen gaming.
I can connect the Switch to the dock with an USB-c extension cable and hold it in my hands like a Wii U Gamepad. The only problem is that it turns off its display.
Or maybe the Switch is just not strong enough for two screens?
Anyway, I totally agree with you on the Wii U and all the trolls trashing the wonderful idea of dual screen gaming. They're just too stupid to get it
@JaxonH Shame you could not be bothered to actually tell me how you manage to make it work in the end. I would have genuinely liked to know that ...
Anyways, this way I at least get to have the last word on this, and that is something I guess. Farewell and no hard feelings ...
PS: Feels kinda eerie to write this knowing you can't and won't ever read it - like some kind of digital message in a bottle or something Oo
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