The Nintendo Switch's battery life isn't terrible by current standards, but it could certainly be better. Three to five hours just isn't enough for many people, which is why the SwitchCharge case might do very well indeed.
Developed by a UK company called InDemand Design, the SwitchCharge is on Indiegogo as we speak and is looking to raise $80,000 to begin production. Not only does it include a massive 12,000mAh battery which delivers 12 hours of battery life, it also has a more robust kickstand, slots for game cards when they're not in use and a side-mounted USB Type C port for charging - which means you can charge and play at the same time.
The only sticking point is pricing; the Indiegogo campaign is offering units at $75 a pop for early adopters, but the retail price could be as high as $130. Would you consider paying that for more battery life and other improvements? Let us know with a comment.
[source theverge.com, via indiegogo.com]
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This seems awesome!
It's a cool concept, but I wonder how easy it would be to open the cartridge slot with this add on.
Looks great! It's also nice that there is room in the kickstand to store two game cartridges.
leave it to 3rd party companies to give u the goods
This raised my eyebrow..... The Rock style.
thats awesome! But not $130-awesome
Even at $75 it's too expensive.
Looks great but I don't particularly like Indiegogo's way of payments. You have to pay upfront rather than pay if the actual campaign succeeds.
I have read the terms on what happens to my $75 if it fails and its a 75%/25% shot of getting your full money back. Its all up to the campaign holder to get your money back. That is way to risky for my tastes. If this was on kickstarter, I would be all over this.
Haven't ran into any battery problems, though, the time I've used the Switch undocked is likely than five hours. But I gotta say that this looks like a great concept for those who play undocked for a long time.
@neufel The version in the video looks like it partially blocks the cart slot, but I imagine they'll fix that.
@derty the $130 goods.
Well.. I planned on getting a batter anyway, and $75 usd is certainly better than most for that amount of power!
@Fitkong that is IF the indiegogo succeeds
Maybe it's just my age but I can't play on a portable for 3-5 hours anyway. I have a life, 2 kids, a wife and a full time job plus 2 part times. If people can honestly get mad at a product for not having battery life so they can sit on their ass for more than 6+hours, it MAY BE time to look at themselves in the mirror and ask what do they want in life and how is their existence helping others. Just my opinion...
If this works then it is definitely worth the hefty price.
I will get it but I will definitely not be an early adopter for a proof of concept like this.
I was thinking about picking up an Anker portable charger which costs around $65, so an extra 10 isn't too bad for me. Hope this project reaches its goal.
@Steven_the_2nd I'm feeling the same way. I understand why people use IndieGoGo for some things, but for projects like this (where they'll almost certainly need to hit their goal to be able to start mass production of these), it just feels like they're trying to leave the option open to take the money and run. It doesn't make any sense to me that you pay for a product even if it doesn't raise enough money to get made in the first place.
@JudgeMethos What an idiotic opinion. "People with better time management skills have more free time to play games than I do?! They need to rethink their lives!"
Maybe their kids play. Maybe one kid plays, then the other kid plays, then the adult plays while waiting in line at Disneyland.
Who cares. Just because your a whiney bitter old crap pile doesn't mean the rest of us can't have fun. My entire family plays on our Switch- that 3 hour battery gets fully drained 3-4 times a day.
I think the ideas and concept is great. If they could work on getting the price down they'd be onto a real winner. Maybe seek some help from a larger company or even go on Dragon's Den. It definitely has potential.
My switch has been fine on battery. However I'll keep an eye on this. Maybe someday ill get to take a long vacation.
@ElekidDude Like I would not mind paying the $115 (if a cheaper option is not available) for the charger and case if it's met it goal and it has a few days left. Then I will feel a bit more secure with everything.
InDemand Design does what Nintendon't. Except for pricing, where it Nintendoes.
@Equinox Oh I whole heartedly agree. They seem like splendid guys and geeks like us. I have just been burned before on Indiegogo for $60, and another for $25, so I am just a bit gun-shy from my past experience.
I would definitely pick one up I really like the overall design as well.
Sounds great if you can still dock it with the case on.
@Fitkong You can actually get almost triple that amount of power for less money: https://www.amazon.com/AUKEY-30000mAh-Portable-Lightning-Micro-USB/dp/B01HRAG2KM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1491406824&sr=8-3&keywords=40000+mah+power+bank
Oh if only it was at retail and not on indigogo
@Yorumi Unless you're playing nothing but Shovel Knight (and even then) I'm going to say there's about a 0% chance of getting a total of 15-18 hours of battery life from this device and the Switch's internal battery. Trying to sell 12,000 mAh as 12 hours of power for the Switch is an outright lie.
Interesting idea, but could impact the Switch by making it bulkier, heavier and may have trouble fitting in cases.
It does fix one of my annoyances in that the kickstand is much sturdier. Seriously the built in one is terrible, a small tap in the top left corner and it falls over. In fact, mine fell over on the train merely by a sudden acceleration so i need to place my padded headphone case behind it.
Then again, Hori's £12 stand also solves that issue.
Note that to start an Indiegogo campaign you don't even need a functioning prototype, so these guys could very well have absolutely nothing and be 100% incapable of delivering on their already nearly impossible promise (12 hours on 12,000 mAh? Good luck!). Spend your $75 on a good, far larger powerbank instead where you'll get way more actual battery life from a company that actually has a product that will definitely exist and work.
Consider this a basic PSA based on common sense: DO NOT BUY HARDWARE FROM INDIEGOGO. If it's any good and actually exists, it'll be worth the full price when the process is done, or it won't. Don't get suckered in by the "If you call now, it's only half price!" pitch they're banking on bringing in people with more money than sense.
EDIT: Upon rewatching the video, it's clear that they don't have a functioning version of this: they never show it actually charging the system, and I'd be stunned if this was anything more than a 3D printed case, and the real deal with actual mechanical components inside is bulkier.
@russellohh this x1,000. That poisonous attitute about what constitutes 'good' use of someone else's time is so prolific it's unreal. It's usually the same people who watch 'boxsets' all weekend and spend half their time drinking.
I have a FT job and a gaming family, it's our fave form of entertainment and no, we're not fat or malnourished. Deal with it.
Edit: On topic, the product looks great but the price makes it too risky for crowdfunding.
Good idea, just not for me.
It's just way to pricey for the functionality in my opinion. I have a couple Anker 28,000mA battery packs that I use for everything and they were only 50$ each. I keep one of them and a nice Anker USB-C cable, that works great with the switch, in my storage case. It'll charge the Switch even when I'm playing and provide many hours of game time if I take it on a trip. I'd also like to avoid extra bulk on my system. I have a glass screen protector and it's about all I need.
Neat idea. Bit too expensive though... I've tried to keep my Switch accessories budget down low.
they should add HDMI and make this an all inclusive dock.
I'd prefer it if they'd just made a right-angle USB-C adapter that could be clipped on to the bottom edge of the Switch... that way I'd be able to use my existing mains adapter or portable USB battery while in tabletop mode... and it would be a hell of a lot cheaper than this.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Mabey the should try to pitch the idea to Nintendo. I'm sure they are aware of the battery life problems that people have. Mabey they would help them produce it
It may be expensive but then so is every other Switch accessory...
Not sure why on the product page it says it "gives you more than a days battery life", since when was 12 hours a day?
Hmm... by the time this gets funded and made I feel like competitors will be to market. For me personally, the Anker batteries I bought cheap off Amazon last Holiday season 10,000 for $25 each work great and you can pocket it easily and just hook in with usb-c cable from pro controller or charging grip (having that extra cable is why I kept the charging grip actually). Very convenient and no new purchase was necessary. Haven't had that many occasions to use it but it works great.
the music is so stupid! it's a battery lol
That price will kill it.
The man in this video has the largest pocket I have ever seen.
Still waiting for a case that doesn't cause my hands to cramp up when playing for more than 30 minutes in handheld mode.
iMuto Taurus X5TC, which is 16750 mAh and has USB C out (5V/3A), plus the Hori Play Stand is more than enough. All for the slightly more reasonable price of £35. You're welcome.
The commercial made me laugh, as I've yet to run out of battery life on my Switch, and they made it seem like it was such a major issue. Product seems like overkill. I'm sure a few people will find this useful, but most of us don't game that long or don't mind using a charging cable.
Not something that would interest me to be honest but can see it being useful for plenty of people, my switch to me is primarily a home console, on the odd rare occasion it does leave the house a 3-5 hour battery would be more than enough for my needs.
I'm planning to take it on holiday to Florida soon but even then on the 9 hour flight I wouldn't spend the whole time playing on it.
I'm more of a short burst of play type person than someone who would sit for 5 hours solid playing a game
The overall idea and design is nice. An indiegogo campaign is the opposite of nice. No doubt Nyko and friends will be out in force with similar units considering they've had 3DS battery-case devices for the past 6 years. And those will be far cheaper and arguably nicer. The battery will be an unreliable mess though, because Nyko.
Price aside, I've been waiting to see someone make a unit like this, I think it will prove somewhat popular choice for an "all in one" battery that doesn't need to be plugged in via dangling cable. HOWEVER, I'd be concerned that the weight would make the Switch much too heavy, and anything sticking out the back would ruin the ergonomics of holding the thin slate, my fingers tend to rest over the back of the console portion when holding it handheld....this thing would seriously get in the way and make switch hard to hold. I think I'd rather just stick with a USB cable to a battery pack in a bag. But for some that want it to remain a single slate it might be an option.
When mass production companies produce one for 1/3 the price.
The video is overly dramatic but it is a nice product. I would buy this if it comes to stores for sure.
@neufel great question.
@JudgeMethos is your age. Hahahahaha!! Nah I'm joking; I can play handheld mode but mostly at work or during weekends when I visit my fiancée family.
I'd buy this for sure. I bought the Mugen battery extender for my N3DS and it was one of the best purchases I ever made, boosting my 3DS battery to a whopping 15 hours of gameplay. Yes, it gives the system extra bulk, but actually makes it more comfortable to hold. If the Switch charge offers something similar I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
I'm not gonna give them any money up front though. Development is not my problem. If they can manage to bring this product to the market though I'm all over it.
@russellohh Nintendo could have given you extra battery life but that would either involve a price increase or a spec decrease - and those two options wouldn't be good for Nintendo. I think they got it just right.
Looks great.
How lovely to see that man can put his Switch inside his big pocket or inside his jacket.
If only White color available too...
I haven't had an issue yet. I use it mostly in portable and with any of my electronics, I just charge it nightly. This is a cool idea though. I am sure some will like it.
Or you can buy a portable battery for 20% of the price and also use that to charge other gadgets.
I've only run out of battery once, and it was the day after launch and my first time playing Zelda Since then, I haven't had a chance to play more than three hours at a time, and whenever I'm not playing, the thing's charging.
THAT SAID, I'm glad battery boosters are being developed. I'm sure many people have more free time than I do.
I would actually be interested if it had a video out port.
Great idea, nice prototype, but its down to long term tests, especially regarding heat.
If those are gold, im definitely in !
I'm just using my external charger with a USB C cable. Got it for like, $30 off amazing and it has 20,000 Mah. This is way more convenient but not $130 worth convenient.
Cool concept, but that price point is ridiculous. I've been keeping a power bank in my chest pocket for half a year now, just gonna use that.
I wonder how this will affect the heat circulation of the Switch. I mean, sure, it doesn't block the vent, but otherwise packs almost the whole tablet into a second, heat-producing cover. This might not work in favor of the longevity of the device.
1. Would it void warranty? Additional heat and all that.
2. Probably not worth the $130 price tag.
Hmmm - the battery life on my SWITCH doesn't suck guys - unfair -over-dramatisation there I feel.
So it'll be like £100 normally at retail? No thanks.
"UK company"
"the Indiegogo campaign is offering units at $75 a pop for early adopters, but the retail price could be as high as $130."
What...
WOW!! That would be great. But i hope they can lower the price...
12 hours is nice, but it's a bit of a stretch when you have to darken the screen down to 30% brightness which isn't going to pay well with a lot of people depending on the game environment. $75 is steep but the full retail price if (and it probably will) it makes it seems almost like robbery. How many desperate people would pay over $100 for a battery with a kickstand??
Some people would lose their minds if Nintendo tried to sell a battery for this much money.
Hopefully everyone realizes that if Nintendo went with a more powerful battery for the Switch, $400 would have been the console's price tag.
Crowfounding ? I pass.
Some people have probably already said this, but this is not really a case but a stand that contains a battery.
no thanks
Special feature: it will explode in your hands.
Continue with the toxic attitude and you will earn yourself a ban.-Meowpheel
That's a lot of stamina, but at that price I think I'll just keep collecting Spirit Orbs instead...
I never have run out of battery. I bring it to work every day, but at most, the very lowest I've ever gotten it to was like 40%
I just keep a cheap, $20 Iogear 10,000mAh portable battery with USB-C cable in my case, along with a USB-C wall adapter to plug in to in case I have an outlet nearby I won't even need the battery. I also ordered a small foldable compact tripod stand designed for smart phones but being re-purposed for Switch, which can be used for tabletop mode. Only issue is Switch doesn't quite sit high enough for the USB-C cable to plug in, so I ordered a new cable with a right angle on one end that does fit while on the tripod. The tripod fits in the case along with the portable battery and USB-C cable and wall adapter, and also my Galaxy S7 phone charger and phone cable to ensure I have a charged phone for online hotspot with me at any given time, and Bose earbuds. That's the full package right there, no special battery case needed.
But I do like the idea of this. It's solves needing a portable battery and the dilemma with charging and table top mode. There's certainly some drawbacks though, such as 1 Price (12,000mAh is barely more than my $20 10,000mAh) 2 Case would need to be removed before docking the system 3 Cartridge slot looks blocked by case
Hmm.......I would buy it if it was under at least $40, more so around $30ish USD. But for $75 or $130? This is a waste of your money unless you can't carry around a slim powerbank and a stand.
Want an example? Tomshardware.com recommends this powerbank currently on sale for $20
https://www.amazon.com/ALLPOWERS-External-15600mAh-Portable-Technology/dp/B00M1LVCG2?tag=bom_tomshardware-20&ascsubtag=site:thus|tid:14191491435840548
It has 3000 extra mAh.
Additionally the stand NintendoLife recommended is $13 https://www.amazon.com/Compact-Playstand-Nintendo-Switch-Officially-Licensed/dp/B01N9RTMWS?tag=nintlife00-20
Not counting tax or shipping, That's $33. I hope they have more to offer than just appealing to a niche audience. I guess the 2 cards for your games is nice (or just have a separate game case) and having 2 charging ports is fine. But if one of those port's male or female ends are damaged, say goodbye to your case. Same thing happened with my battery case I had for my original 3DS. Waste of money.
I like the idea, but put me in the pile of people who is wary of Indiegogo's policies. I'm not throwing $75 at a maybe.
Nice idea but I got an Anker USB A to C Cable for £6, one of their tiny 10000 Powercore batteries for £15 and all my existing phone/tablet wall plugs and this is a perfectly good solution
I'm in.
@Equinox @Steven_the_2nd You say that IndieGogo doesn't refund the donation if it fails, but I did some research on the site, and discovered that this is not the case.
On their support page,
under Refunds, it says "If you contributed to a fixed funding campaign that did not met its goal, your refund will be sent automatically within 5-7 business days of the campaign's deadline."
The campaigner is responsible for refunds only in the event of an achieved goal, or if the campaign is a "flexible goal," where the campaigner is allowed to adjust the rewards in the event of a failed goal. However, the SwitchCharge page clearly states an $80,000 fixed goal, and when clicked, says "This campaign will only receive funds if at least $80,000 USD is raised by its deadline."
@Nicolaison Then the site has mixed messaging then. I read this: https://support.indiegogo.com/hc/en-us/articles/205665518-What-happens-to-my-money-if-a-campaign-fails-
Which tells me its up to the campaigner to give me my money back if it fails.
Indiegogo really needs to have a straight forward message then on what happens.
Bet it warps Switches when you hold it with the joycons 😝
$75 for an all in one battery booster, cart holder and the ability to charge and play sounds like a steal to me. Of course given the nature of a kickstarter-esque venture, you probably won't get the final product until well into 2018.
@SirRandall He's toxic because he doesn't share your opinions and isn't afraid to speak them on a public forum? I hope you sleep better at night because your eyes can be spared his terrible opinions. Get over yourself, good grief.
@RedMageLanakyn No he's toxic because when you tell him your opinion he is downright rude and toxic. I for one am all about opinions but when someone shares their own and you go after them for it. Yeah sorry, I don;t like that.
@JudgeMethos Really? "If you play video games for 6 hours a day, you must not be contributing to society!" First of all. not everyone who has a Switch has a job, and a career, and a family. A lot of us are students with a lot of free time. Or people with jobs and free time. Or people with families whose families play the switch until it loses battery. To say that someone mustn't be contributing to society and "making everyone else's lives better" to want extra battery for their console is insulting.
@JudgeMethos I'm in the same boat as you, and I never get to wear the Switch battery down. But, other people have more free time for gaming. It's not necessarily a thing people need to be ashamed about. Not everybody has to have two kids.
Also, my kids will totally run that battery down the next time we go on a road trip.
@SirRandall I've never had that experience when discussing things with him. He's never personally insulted me, mocked my opinion, or done anything I would consider remotely toxic when compared to some of the other things I've seen on this site. I'm not saying you didn't have that happen, but i'm calling it like I've seen it, and he's been trolled, ridiculed, and mocked more than anyone else around here.
Looks cool, though a smaller one that doubles Switch battery should be sufficient enough (i.e a 6000 mAh one). Looking at the spec which it says to add 390g to Switch, especially on handheld mode seems like a terrible idea.
Yeah goodluck kids. 1. Ni way is that piddly battery going to provide an additiinal 6 hrs of life. You dont think Nintendos exhaustive r and d team came up with the switch the way it is for reasons? This lump of crud will be cost prohibitive for anyone to bother purchasing. Plus i suspect nintendo will one day release a switch mini with no tv out capability and a smaller screen with longer battery life.
@SirRandall please keep in mind that by calling him by name to seek him out and insult him, you're the one being toxic and we can't allow this kind of harassment on the site.
So please, continue ignoring him and move on.
@RedMageLanakyn well your lucky. I and a few others have. We can agree to disagree and move on
@Meowpheel I plan on doing just that.
Like the sleek look and that they add other improvements like sturdier and multi-angled kickstand. Not sure I'd pay more than $60-70 for it though, and that would be a bit of a luxury item still as I don't play my Switch that long before returning to my dock.
Granted, for travelling / flights this could be fantastic.
@JudgeMethos I'm sick a lot and playing a game helps dull the pain and spend time at the hospital.
I'm sorry if you feel that is a waste of my life.
Experienced engineers! They look very young to me. 🙄 There's no hanging about with these guys, very quick off the mark.
Pricey and you won't know how long that battery will last before it'll start holding smaller and smaller charges. I'd stick with a larger, cheaper and tested power bank with a long USB cable so I'm not holding that extra weight. Nice idea though.
@JudgeMethos
You have 3 jobs. You're doing something which is tough. That doesn't mean everyone else should be doing the same.
Your attitude is wrong.
@JudgeMethos It's not really any of your business what people choose to do with their lives, just my opinion.
@Steven_the_2nd
I agree...
Thanks to the heads up on this, I threw down for the early bird tier. Why not? There's still a month to go, and they're well over $50k already. Worst case is if for some reason I want to back out - but that's as easy as going to the Indiegogo contributions page and clicking 'Refund Order'. Best case is that it arrives and there's a very functional case on hand for my Switch.
Lots of skepticism around...which is fair...but what the hey. I like supporting creators, especially when they're solving problems for me — like being able to charge while playing in tabletop mode.
@CrimsonMoonMist I'm not talking about 'sick' people. I obviously was talking about people who don't contribute to society cuz they DON'T wanna work. Stop being so dramatic and taking what I said as a slight against sick people. No one even said that but you. Jesus.
@Mart1ndo my attitude is I've fine. Whether its wrong is subjective. You have no clu as to what I'm talking about. Il paint a picture. I've witnessed grown ass men living with their mom while the mom needs help but they're living off of her check while my crew ends up taking the mom to the hospital. I've seen plenty of slackers at my job to know that some guys that play games don't have a job but have money for weed. I've seen guys continue playing games while they're pregnant girlfriend is in labor. Put the control down, jabroni, and help with the woman you impregnated. Some of the folk on here are sensitive to what I said but they'll get over it. I've seen quite a bit over the years at my job and some are too sensitive to understand where I'm coming from. Most will take it as me insulting them when if they understand what I'm saying, would agree instead of being insulted.
@Stubi It's quite the life. I enjoy it all because I still play games and the other 2 jobs are when I want to work. One, I get to go over season (and bring my games with me) or the other is to als9 help people by getting on an ambulance and try making a difference, so yeah... it's living and I wouldn't be doing it if I didn't ENJOY it😃😃😃
@neuroticbiotic uh, never said it was Mr. or Mrs. Sensitive🙂 It's a statement that you don't obviously have to agree with🙂
@happylittlepigs not insulting imo. See that? You have an opinion and so do I. I'm not going to respond to you like others that have been insulted or hurt by my statement. If it's not you, move on. Stop being sensitive.
@JasmineDragon I get that. I should have been more example-ish when I said that. There are some overly sensitive types here. I guess they're kids cuz grown men would not get their feelings hurt from someone they don't even know. Here's an example: my crew and I made a call to this chick in labor. We get there, she's on the couch screaming that her stomach hurts and has been for a bit. We start to get her out to the stretcher and I go to get her purse. In her room is a grown ass man playing a damn Xbox One. I ask, "you the brother or boyfriend? " He says "I'm her man." I go, "well, are you coming?" He replies "she'll be alright." And continues playing. I see stuff like that ALL the time and it pisses me off. Get yer priorities in order is what I was getting at. Put the controller down sometimes.
@JudgeMethos Damn, that's terrible. Stuff like that proves some people just aren't cut out to be parents, and shouldn't ever have children. That might be an awful thing to say, but it's true. (I'm not cut out to be a parent, myself, so I wouldn't want to get myself into that situation.)
Then again, (industrialized) humanity is overpopulating the planet based on our current overburdening of natural resources, to the point we're draining the planet like someone who's starving drains fat. So I think we should start doing what younger Japanese are doing- having less children. Not having children is actually one of the best ecological and societal contributions one can make in the 21st century. (No offense to you or anyone else who wholeheartedly works to raise children, though, someone has to do it!)
As for sensitivity... There's a difference between being thin skinned and being sensitive. If humanity had no sensitive people, we would have blown ourselves up in a nuclear holocaust and extincted ourselves by now. Sensitivity is the only fail safe humanity has to not destroy itself, especially now that's we're 2 and a half minutes to midnight on the nuclear Doomsday Clock (yes, that's a real thing). So we need sensitive people to continue existing at this point.
@Steven_the_2nd You are correct, it is up to the discretion of Indiegogo project creators to provide refunds in the event of a failed goal. I know this because I've backed a failed project on Indiegogo before (which failed very badly), and the project creator did not opt to send my money back out of respect, he instead said, "Thanks, it may come in handy in the future." And Indiegogo made no requirement of him to return my money. Certainly, nothing automatic happened. In hindsight, I shouldn't have backed the project at all, so it's also partially my fault for being a sucker.
So yeah, I wouldn't recommend backing things on Indiegogo if you don't have money to burn. Kickstarter is a much better platform, though of course, it's not perfect.
@JudgeMethos
I understand there is a lot of bad ass **** going on in the world and that the gaming world is populated by a very large number of weed heads. I don't smoke weed but i have done in the past. I gave up cigarettes 8 year ago.
What i learned in life is ; don't mind what anyone else is doing, just worry about yourself. We're only here for a short period.
@Steven_the_2nd Perhaps that's only for flexible goals, or if a goal succeeds, but they fail in their project? I'd send an email to support for clarification, but at this point, I'm not too worried that it won't reach it's goal. It's really rising pretty fast!
For the money you can buy the Anker PowerCore + 20100 and charge multiple devices. I realize this thing is a case too. But that's just my take on it. If you have a long enough cord the Anker can sit out of the way and not feel so tethered to the Switch.
@JudgeMethos I'm not claiming to be insulted for other people, and I'm not offended myself, I'm saying that you are making a broad generalization about the people who would be buying this product, an attitude I wouldn't expect to see on a website for games enthusiasts. Saying that anyone who wants this product must not be contributing to society is like saying anyone who buys a gun must be planning to commit a murder. You're taking the worst examples of the consumers of the product, and applying that standard to all consumers of the product. I'm not offended by what you said, but I can acknowledge that what you said is an insult to the gaming community as a whole. You're saying that anyone who wants this product isn't a contributing member of society, and I think that's quite a strong generalization for something as simple as wanting more battery life and a better kickstand.
So basically they designed what the Switch should have been in the box if Nintendo had actually put a little thought into the damn thing.
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