With all the hype that the Nintendo Switch is generating, it's only natural to speculate on what titles the system will offer upon its launch. If Nintendo's upcoming console could learn anything from the launch of the Wii U, it's that launch titles do indeed matter. This can also mean ensuring popular titles that consumers are still playing today are made available as immediately as possible; it's important to keep fans of these core titles on-board by upselling them to the big N's next venture.
With that said, the latest iterations of Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros. on the Wii U are arguably the strongest in both respective franchises to date. We've already touched upon the debate of these potential titles for the Switch being ports or sequels, and assuming the likelier outcome of ports (or expanded 'director's cuts') we'll explore what Nintendo could do (or what we'd certainly like to see it do) to really upsell Smashaholics of all kinds to the Nintendo Switch - instead of simply relying on the sole reason that purchasing the port will be the only way to play Smash 4 on the latest console.
Before we get into the meat of this, it should be noted that Masahiro Sakurai, creator of the Super Smash Bros. series, stated in the final Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U Direct that he and his team will cease all production on any further development on these two games specifically; as mentioned previously, that doesn't entirely rule out a third-party producing the port with some oversight from Sakurai-san. Anyway, let's get to it…
New fighters and stages
Here's an obvious one that immediately strikes the minds of many. Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U already has an impressive roster of fighters (58 to be precise), but the thought of even more gaming icons stepping in to grace the Nintendo slugfest can't be helped. There are still plenty of characters out there that players long for, both returning and new, and a port of Smash 4 would be the perfect opportunity to capture these forgotten favourites. Veterans like Ice Climbers didn't make the cut due to the 3DS' limited capabilities (apparently), and Sakurai-san wanted to keep both games consistent from a fighter standpoint. That rule no longer applies here, so perhaps we'll see legends such as these as well as a few newcomers such as Knuckles, Bomberman, Ken Masters *cough*. Alright, so that's this writer's list, anyway.
And of course, the above should also mean more amiibo.
If Nintendo doesn't currently possess the resource to create a slew of brand-new fighters in time for a port's release, perhaps it could add more skins to the current roster at the very minimum, in the way modders do. It would be a great way to freshen up the roster, both via new colour palettes and costumes, and perhaps even go one step further by incorporating whole new characters akin to how it handled the Koopalings with Bowser Jr. and Alph with Olimar. For example, it could incorporate different eras of Link (Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword styled getups), as well as perhaps adding Pichu (yes, you heard me) as a complete clone of Pikachu available as an alternate costume. These ideas aren't obviously as exciting as the thought of whole new fighters, but they'd certainly contribute to making the port seem a little more evolved. As mentioned, we've seen countless modders within the Smash community do this - both in Brawl and currently on SSB4 - and the skins alone definitely add a new dimension of fun to the madness.
Additionally, new stages should certainly be considered, especially to reflect newer games since SSB4's release as well as any upcoming ones - the thought of playing on areas from Pokémon Sun and Moon and Breath of the Wild excites us, among others. This was actually done back when SSB4 launched, with stages such as Woolly World from the then upcoming Yoshi game, as well as the Super Mario Maker stage that eventually followed to promote the new game. At the same time, it would be nice to have all of the exclusive Nintendo 3DS stages incorporated as well, emphasising the port as some form of "ultimate" edition. Finally, maybe Nintendo could go one step further and incorporate more stages from 64, Melee, and Brawl. Saffron City, anyone?
New modes
While some feel that the latest iteration of Super Smash Bros. is the finest to date (sorry, Melee crew), it certainly neglected one thing. The lack of a 1P adventure mode was missed – it was a clever formula that combined all the franchises' history, universe, and lore with the madness of Smash Bros.' mechanics. Whether it's some sort of mode similar to Melee's Adventure Mode or Brawl's Subspace Emissary, we'd be happy. It was a refreshing break from the madness of Smash and gave the game a greater single-player experience.
Additionally, we'd like to see both Smash Tour and Smash Run included in the port. A Switch port should ideally incorporate everything both the Wii U and 3DS versions have to offer at the very minimum, and therefore act as the definitive edition of Smash 4.
Another mode we'd love to see, albeit very unlikely to happen, would be the option of being able to play under certain mechanics both in local multiplayer and online. What we mean by this is being able to switch-up the mechanics of the game to that of Smash 64, Melee, or Brawl, allowing those fond of each game to relive their glory days. Of course, mixing mechanics shouldn't be on the cards and perhaps only the characters exclusive to each game would be playable, but if all combatants agreed under a certain style for certain matchups, then why not? Once again, it's got just as much chance of happening as an Ice Climbers' chance in hell, but it's just a thought! No more carrying GameCubes or Wiis to tournaments - Smash Switch would cover all bouts of the Nintendo brawler!
More challenges
This one won't particularly excite many, but there are those completionists who may salivate at the opportunity to 100% the game once more, with even more tasks and events added to the mix. Perhaps challenges could even be applied online in "For Glory" mode, encouraging players to experiment with more characters and techniques in a competitive environment (though perhaps portraying this mode as "competitive" in its entirety is a bit of an overstatement).
So there you have it, some thoughts on what we'd like to see in a port of Super Smash Bros. 4 for the Nintendo Switch. Yes, we did elude to Mario Kart earlier, but as you've probably gathered by now this writer's a bit of a Smash enthusiast, so that was the focus here. If you want to see some fun Smash Bros. replay edits, check out @SM4SHshorts on Instagram, too.
What do you think - do you have any ideas or theories of your own? Sound off below as usual!
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What I want to see
(As a separate character of course.)
I know a lot of folks weren't that keen on it but I'd love another Subspace Emissary mode.
Include smash run with multiple maps and I'm good
I might just be a radical dreamer but..
It should mainly contain all the stages and game modes from both versions.
Smash run with local multiplayer would be a huge plus.
Also Ice Climbers & Wolf. (I don't mind more characters honestly)
At the very least it should include all content from the two versions in one package. All 3DS and Wii U stages, and all dlc
Just more fighters, both new and old, like Ice Climbers or Wolf. Considering Monster Hunter is getting quite prominent on Nintendo systems, why not throw in a Hunter, too? Or an Inkling? Or Isaac from Golden Sun? Man, I could go on ages and ages with this but overall, I just want more characters and stages.
Also, I would love to see some 3DS stages making it into the port (considering it's probably a port of the WiiU version) like Magicant or 3DS Mute City.
January can not come soon enough...
It'll be a hard sell without new characters. A few I'd like to see are Bomberman, Rayman, Inkling plus a few new 'baddies' (the roster is rather thin on these) like Robotnik.
Having just recently become enthralled by 'Ice Climber' thanks to the NES Mini, I must INSIST their return in Switch Smash.
Or a brand new game based around the IP. It's absolute genius.
I just want them to think of all those people who already have the game. I know the whole point of porting is to expand the game's audience, and all, but it would be nice to get a little love back from Nintendo, like that trade in thing people rumored about some time ago.
I would like to be able to individually customize the effects on characters in Special Smash.
Think about it. 3 Megaman having to stop a Giant Metal ROB. A true Mario vs. Giant Bowser match. Having to fight invisible Mr. Game & Watches as a metal Jigglypuff. The possiblilities are endless!
@memoryman3 We don't need any clones in Smash Bros.than the ones we do.
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy I agree. Clones suck. Who says Daisy has to be one?
Um.... Gamecube adaptor functionality?!
I know it is old tech, but Smash players love the GC controller for a reason! It works perfectly for Smash
The switch dock does have those USB ports, so it could happen. Would be an odd (but appreciated) move!
Shovel Knight!!
Xiao Pai for Smash!! TwT
@UtopiaXD You're breaking my heart, just thinking about the possibility…
Just bring back Solid Snake, add Elma and I'm sold
I'd love to see Shovel Knight and maybe Rayman (though I'm still generally salty with Ubisoft). What I REALLY want to see is Inkling, though!
Yeah if they want me to buy another smash. Bring more characters, and dreaming about a New subspace (storymode) i really loved that aboid brawl. More stages, and i want the new Link from breath of the wild design, loved that one so much.
@JamesNighthawk There's been talk of interchangeable controller components for quite some time now, so perhaps they could introduce a pair of GameCube-style JoyCons, so that we could use them on the go as well.
All I want to see is the return of local tournaments.
@Dandalfa00 I would think a Prowler or monster like Rathalos (if they don't get the boss treatment) is more likely. Or perhaps a Field Horn item that could summon random monsters like a Pokeball.
Surprised you didn't mention these 2 in the new characters section.
They're as good as nailed on(provided the rumours of the port are true of course). Actually, nobody above mentioned them either.
All of the above. Would be nice to have the 3ds stages too.
@DragonEleven That would be Ace. And would be a sales revenue for them. However, it'd be a nice show for the tournament players (not me!) and long term fans with old gear (me!) to let the existing adaptor from the WiiU years roll across.
I doubt that we are getting new characters with Smash Switch port. Sakurai has already announced that he's working on a different project at the moment
A new Subspace Emissary or a much longer challenging Adventure Mode would be awesome.
DLC characters unlocked by their respective amiibo. No reason to have to pay $12 to buy Cloud, Bayontta, Ryu etc amiibo to play next to them and then pay another $7 in game to play as them.
I get it, some people don't like amiibo, and I'm all for being able to unlock the characters in game for $7, but for people who do own or will own the $12 amiibo, they shouldn't have to also pay to unlock the characters in game. That's never made any sense to me, why should we have to pay twice for the same character artwork?
Including all the DLC "free" w/ the $60 game would be nice, but I don't see that happening. Hopefully all of the Mii DLC will be included, who buys that stuff?, and the 5 stand alone stages should be in, but the 7 DLC characters probably won't be, too much money to be made. And amiibo to be sold. Really no reason to buy the ammibo if they are already unlocked in the game.
http://www.smashbros.com/us/dlc/index.html
@JamesNighthawk Yeah sure... for gaming on a TV it will still be a must... it's just that you'd need the TV dock to use it, so they'd need an alternative that worked both with a TV and on the go.
@PlaytendoGuy @retro_player_22
They should make a free Subspace Emmissary sequel that only works w/ amiibo. Heck just release the orignal in HD w/ maybe a few tweaks to work as a standalone. give people a reaso to take their amiibo out of their boxes.
If free doesn't work I'm ok w/ $20 as a digital download or $40 in a box that comes w/ an amiibo, maybe a new character, maybe Wonder Red from W101. That guy was made for a 2D side scrolling action adventure game.
How about an Ultimate Smash Bros with every character and stage to grace the sSmash series.
It would be interesting if the game was a mashup of both Wii U and 3DS content altogether. (plus Ice Climbers)
Just give me improved Single Player Content. That's all I want out of this port. No, I'm not just talking about Adventure Mode, I'm also talking about the Target Smash mode from 64 and Melee, with each character having their very own stages.
@memoryman3 She's literally a Peach pallet swap. How much more of a clone can you get.
@rjejr Some of the Amiibo characters were hard enough to get hold of when they were released as it was... adding more reason to get them will only make that worse... plus, we'd likely have to wait longer for the Amiibo to be finished before we'd be able to get the DLC character.
That would only apply to the Amiibo of DLC characters... so perhaps they could add an alternative option where scanning enough other Amiibo could unlock your desired DLC character instead.
Replace Mayonetta with someone good.
Bomberman 8<
It's just a rumor.
I want Bonk.
And then I want Nintendo to buy all the Hudson ips off konami (Bonk, bomberman, bloody roar).
It's not like konami is using them.
Still waiting for the day we actually get Geno as a playable character.
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy No she is not. Maybe in her debut, sure. But a lot has changed in 20 years.
Add another 20 more dlc characters to spend my money on. Make more dlc stages. Make the rosta close to or near 100 so it doesn't feel broken.
Release it as a limited edition boxed for 100 pounds. I'm sure Nintendo fans will buy it like the nes mini Classic nes mini edition.
I don't know if were getting new characters... Maybe some that were scrapped but halfway developed like Ice Climbers, but I wouldn't get my hopes up for more.
I don't have any sources, but I remember reading was pretty much done with the SSBB, at least in the near future. Plus, 58 characters are a lot, why would we need even more?
I'd like see Wolf back as it's good to have more villains to go against their native and other heroes. Axel / Blaze from Streets of Rage would be good. With a neon lit street stage.
Yh this list perfectly makes sense! (except from the fight styles of course!)
@memoryman3 We share the same hope, poor Daisy deserve more respect in Smash than being a palette swap for Peach ;w;
(To be fair she would deserve her own game, but having a spot in the roster of Smash would be a great start!).
@memoryman3 Oh, she has minor cosmetic differences to Peach, big deal. She's still barely more than a pallet swap.
And please don't supply me with you "definitive" proof of why Daisy is not a clone. I already read it back in December last year and it's no proof at all.
Besides, many other characters are way more deserving of a Mario series slot. Paper Mario, Captain Toad, Boom Boom, Toadette, Waluigi, and the list goes on.
the main puporse of nintendo about Smash should be to UNIFY their eSport community -period
Smash Switch needs to have the masterpiece mélée engine and of course its velocity in order to have one smash game at main esport competition. melee players will be able to get rid of the 24 years old unbalanced game and Smash4 players will be able to experience a real competitive game that doesn't always rewards defensive playstyle and that doesn't have boring lunar gravity with a snail's pace.
Inkling squid as a playable character! Come on, it´s been the most succesful new Nintendo IP recently!
Also Melee mode and less defensive play.
@DragonEleven Well there are only 7 DLC characters, and 3 of them haven't even been released yet b/c Nintneod is making us Wii U owners of the game wait for Switch - Cloud, Corrin, Bayonetta - so that would only mean reissuing Mewtwo - who should probably always be in stock anyway b/c he's Mewtwo - and Lucas, Ryu and Roy. Considering how many times they have reissued Mario and Kirby characters I dont' think a set of 4 reissues is a big deal for the SSB Switch Ed release alongside the 3 new ones. Maybe they can even get new poses for the other 4 like they did w/ the Super Mario line.
Everybody else is already in the game, I don't think those amiibo need to be reissued.
If it's more than a port and/or a more advanced port, I think it'd be quite interesting to the let the console's name be the inspiration for a new mode or twist: Super Smash Switch, allowing players to bring two characters into battle and switch between them between stocks and/or at will... a tag team mode, if you will. I think that'd be pretty awesome, especially in online modes and such. It'd also add another layer of depth, allowing players to respond to the opponent's character choice with speed, counters, etc. based on what you need to turn the tide in battle. Just a thought, one that I think makes a lot of sense in the context of the new name and would make it more than a glorified port.
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy we need a boom boom game
The 1P adventure mode is what I want most. More characters would be great (I'm still wanting Rayman). I'm a completionist, so I wouldn't say no to new challenges, but I think the current games already have enough of them.
@memoryman3 I actually voted for daisy back when they had the new character vote, i think she would be good with a load of moves from the olympic games series
as for smash4 i probably played this one the least great charters but too many old courses i want all new ones to keep the game fresh, i also didn't like smash tour bring back another subspace
I would like too see Amiibo modes online, 1v1 Amiibo vs Amiibo and 2v2 you with an Amiibo vs an opponent with an Amiibo plus single player content with Amiibo functionality.
In all honesty, I'd need to see Smash Bros. Complete for Switch (including all 3DS content) with extras for me to double dip. Hopefully they have thought about the people who owned the game on U, and they will offer this incentive or perhaps a discount scheme. I'm not buying the same game again with a few minor additions.
@Iggy-Koopa
Kinda in the same boat. I love Smash for Wii U and have already put in tons of hours. I'd only buy a Switch port if, at the very least, it includes all Smash 3DS stages as well as the Wii U ones. I'd even love some Melee stages like, Great Bay, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 2, Fountain of Dreams, etc.
You'll actually get Twisted Metal 2 Ken Masters and like it
seriously though ice climbers return or bust
Seeing Cloud and Snake in the games means extra characters could potentially be anyone!!
So excited!
@Jumpman i voted for him but bayoneta won the pool
It'll probably be a fusion of the Wii U and 3DS ports as the complete package. New content would be lovely, but it all brings the question of whether they'll develop a Smash Bros 5 for the Switch or save it for next gen....
I'd like to see more Fire Emblem characters, particularly swordsmen.
I'm hoping for:
Box Boy
Inklings
Daisy
Waluigi
Dillon
Tetris blocks
Genan (Samurai Shodown)
Miis (in normal online mode, not just the tournament thing)
Bonk
Bomberman
Rayman
Billy and Jimmy (Double Dragon)
Haggar (Final Fight)
Monita (nintendo land)
Rusty (real deal baseball)
Jimmy & Ashley (wario ware)
Excitebike dude
Nintendog or Cat
Arcade Bunny (badge catcher)
I think it's safe to say the Switch version of Smash Bros. will be the definitive experience of the game. Nintendo will include plenty of additional content to entice current owners of the game to get this new one.
My personal wish list for the Switch version:
All the stages and modes from both the Wii U and 3DS versions
Ice Climbers! And of course any other new characters.
Plenty of new stages, including some more classics from Smash 64, Melee and Brawl
More music is always welcome
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy Daisy is her own character obviously. Peach has moves that Daisy doesn't, and vice versa. Daisy should be using Tennis racquets, Golf Clubs, Go Karts, and throwing dice at her opponents. Peach already has her own moveset.
A more stable online, an offline tournament mode, and player created tournaments online would be great.
Fighters, music, stages, modes.
Bring out the goshdarn team battle where every "stock" you have would be a different character. That would be awesome.
@Nintendo_Thumb Peach already uses Golf Clubs and Tennis Rackets in her moveset though. And a go Kart? How would that work?
I'll give you the dice block one, but that isn't enough. If a dice block is what defines Daisy, then the dice block should be it's own character.
What would make or break the port for me is the presence of a single player mode á la Subspace Emissary (or lack thereof).
I utterly loved it, and I spent years wishing they would make a standalone game out of it (not kidding, I'd buy in a heartbeat).
That's probably because I'm more of a lone gamer, as my friends are not into games (and especially not into Nintendo, theough they enjoy their MK8 fix every now and then), but I also think the mechanics in Smash lend themselves perfectly to a side-scrolling action game.
Aside from that, who wouldn't like more characters and stage? I'm not really sure we need them (and I'm even less sure Sakurai would be willing to give them to us), but of course it would be a plus. I'd say get the veterans back (Wolf, IC) and maybe add a couple of fan-faves like Isaac, King K. Rool or Geno. Though if I had to pick one I'd probably choose Midna or Tingle (but only because Ridley is not feasible, unfortunately).
I'd also love to see the Target Contest return as it was a lot of fun, though what I'm realistically expecting is the least they could give us: all content from both versions (including exclusive stages and modes), plus all the DLC.
If they can't even give us that, I guess a lot of people won't double (or triple) dip.
I know, I know! How about not having seven damned Fire Emblem characters??
@Epistolarian Just imagine his entrance into battle would be coming out of a temporal portal
Wow, what a tall wishlist. I agree it'd be nice if there was a substantive amount of "new" content but entire adventure modes and multiple sets of game mechanics? You guys are pretty big dreamers.
that being said, I'd love to see boss battle mode make it in. Instead of spending resources to merge 3DS and Wii U features. And as unlikely as it is, I'd like a melee-style campaign too ( subspace emmissary is likely not happening again)..
If they're going to add new content to for the port then they should do the same to the Wii U and 3DS versions as well.
If they're doing a Rabbids game, I'd be gobsmacked if we didn't finally see a Rayman.
I honestly dont understand the appeal of the wii u version of smash. But if they lwt me play as the boat from cobra triangle i could be convinced.
I'm just not so sure about the sales pitch
"Come play what you did not play on the Wii U that you never bought"
On the other hand, the switch is much better than the Wii U in my eyes.
So maybe this pitch will work.
balloon fighter as playable character. stages based on action series nes games like pinball, etc. mario paint stage, character from chrono trigger like frog or the robot. toe jam and earl as playable characters, mario party stage, koopa troopa playable character, 8 bit mode, simon belmont playable character, mini games. i really miss the playform and target games from the first smash bros game, inclusion of mario rpg characters like mallow and geno, inclusion of old arcade characters like dig dug or joust, tetris stage, tanooki suit item, dixie kong playable character
but above all balloon fighter playable character
Nice piece, I agree with most of it. And keep up the shorts, they're awesome and I love your Insta!
PLAYABLE KING K ROOL. That's all I ask for.
Classic-Classic Single Player
Adventure Mode
ALT COSTUMES for CHARACTERS!!!
-forget about Miis
Ridley
You aren't alone about Bomberman, he should have been in Smash ages ago.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32039719/alex.jpg
Please and thank you.
@rjejr
If they port Smash (and they will) I'm pretty sure it'll include all the DLC. It's the one major move that would pull in gamers who already purchased it. Nobody's going to fork over another $120 on the game, but for $59.99 ($47.99 with GCU or Prime) for the full, complete game of both 3DS and Wii U versions combined + all DLC released to date, both characters and stages... I don't think very many people would say no to that, especially given the game would have all the modes from both versions combined.
If they went above and beyond, maybe not new characters but, a new stage or 2 and perhaps even a mode... that's going to be one heck of a game.
You know what. I just want Freakin' Mach Rider.
@UtopiaXD I get that reference.
To whoever typed this; They cannot make Pichu a costume swap for Pikachu because he is too small to program into Pikachu's model.
1 thing that is consistent with alternate characters under 1 slot is they all share the same sizes on their body shapes or at the very least are almost the same. I think Female Robin is slightly shorter than male Robin but the slight difference doesn't matter in terms of hitboxes.
Pichu, on the other hand, is much smaller than Pikachu and so to put Pichu as an alternate to Pikachu would create a bunch of problems due to the size difference.
Aside from that, I agree with the rest, good post overall!
Sheesh. We just got the last one, and you're already talking about the next one.
@UtopiaXD
Nah, I'd rather Magus
@JaxonH If everything is already in the game then what's the point of having amiibo?
It would be nice for Switch owners, but it would be yet another swift kick in the gonads to Wii U owners who purchased the game and a lot of the DLC -surely nobody purchased all of it - to see Switch owners get it all for $60.
I do know that's the way the industry works, happens all the time, The Witcher 3 Complete being the latest example of waiting paying off, but fans weren't mad at the Witcher devs, Nintenfo needs to be a little considerate of its fans.
Ah well, we won't get it anyway, I'm just hoping for a token gesture to the 13.4 million customers who supported them this gen.
Off topic, my family would like to know if you found yourself a NES Mini. Yes, we talk about you at dinner, you're practically a celebrity. And if you did get one, was it delivered by the death probe from the 6 million dollar man? Afraid my 70's culture has infected my kids.
@NCChris That is a good point, and making Pichu not get damaged each time it uses a electric attack would also make it rather inaccurate to it's pokedex entry as well. Then again, Some Smash Fans frown upon clones in general (Which is a annoying thing, i must add.) , even though in some cases it fits some characters.
compability with my Wii U Pro controller and my Smash GC controllers.
@UtopiaXD And his Final Smash could be Delta Force, with the special appearance of Marle and Lucca, just like Shulk's summons Rikki and Dunban
Bubsy the Bobcat as playable character.
Battletoads as playable character.
ET as playable character.
Cool Spot as playable character. AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT WHERE IS THE HD REMAKE OF COOL SPOT, HUH NINTENDO?
Bob Hope as playable character.
Dennis Hopper Koopa as playable character.
Batman as playable character.
@edcomics the problem is the short lifespan of smash 4 since it came out near the end of the WiiU, and the Switch wont be backwards compatible. It extends smash 4's life on current gen consoles and keeps it relavent and fresh, especially now that Sakurai is likely done with the series and the future of smash, at least a full on new entry is uncertain. An updated port is the best idea for now to have a smash on the new console.
Michael Jackson Moonwalker stage.
Alfred Chicken as playable character
Oh, why not we include Ultra Magnus with a Transformers: Mystery of Convoy stage while you're at it?
To be realistic, give us back Ice Climbers.
To dream a little, give me Isaac from Golden Sun!
What we WANT!
IS Melee HD, cmon Nintendo, what you doing!!
Kick Sakurai out already!
@rjejr
Eh, Nintendo fans are always angry. They can stay that way as far as I'm concerned.
Complete editions later aren't a kick to anyone's gonads. People pay all that money because they are excited for a new game and they want to play it right then, not wait three years so they can get a complete edition for thirty bucks less on complete other system.
That's just normal. New TV's cost $1000 now and $500 in 3 years. Not a kick to anyone's gonads, cuz everybody knows it's going to be a better bargain three years down the line. But that's always true. You could wait 3 years and get a much better deal than everyone else, but you have to wait 3 years. And even then you can wait 3 more years to get an even better deal.
It's the way of the world. Prices drop with time. Anyone who's going to get insulted that someone's going to get a better deal later might as well not ever purchase anything in their entire lives again because no matter what they buy someone is always going to get a better deal later.
May as well buy a plot of land in the country and farm corn and squash like the Amish, segregated from all manner of commerce.
@Pukereekingidiot You can put all of your ideas in one post. You don't need to make an individual post for each and every idea that comes to your head.
@KirbyTheVampire im sure hes aware.
Rayman, of couse!
I would be fine with just the 3ds stages added and wolf!
@Superzone13 Only problem I see with this is the fact that there's no confirmation...
@MegaVel91 Correct, but its long been rumored and insiders have recently restated their firm belief this is the case. Either way unless theres a leak of some sort we wont know until january
I'll always fantasize about your inclusion, Professor Layton. 💙
Maybe??
For me to rebuy a 3rd copy, I need Subspace Emissary (or similar) and new characters. Isaac for gods' sake!
I already own 2 copies and most overpriced DLC, so id appreciate a discount if nothing else. Surely they have a somewhat modern account system to recognize that?
@memoryman3 since when did you have a account on this site...
@PrincePeach92 not the inklings but callie/Marie more girls are always welcome
@Rize1200 Radiant Historia was fantastic, though I wouldn't hold my breath for Nintendo to ever mention the series again.
Dream additions: Bomberman; Knuckles, Tails, Shadow, and Amy; Geno; Krystal; Zero; Rayman; King K. Rool; Fiora or Elma (Xeno series needs more love.); all returning characters (Snake, Wolf, Pichu alternate, Young Link alternate, and Ice Climbers); and NO MORE FIRE EMBLEM CHARACTERS HOLY ARCEUS!
@JaxonH Yes everything that you said about what's normal is true, but you left out the most important thing - it isn't normal for people to pay $300 to $350 for a console then have it stop getting games after 3 1/2 years. The PS3 is still getting games 10 years later, so those owners don't get upset that PS4 gets a new version of a game they played 2 years ago, they just don't buy a PS4 and keep playing games on their PS3. That's why 3 years out PS4 has 50 million sales, which is great, but PS3 sold 80 million and PS2 155 million. People were still playing on PS2 long after PS3 released, some of them probably even after PS4 released. But Wii U owners got nothing new, that's the difference. Nintendo told them, look, you bought a Wii U, your 3 years are up, we aren't making games for it anymore. Here's SSB with all its content you paid over $100 for on Switch. If you want to keep gaming buy a Switch, b/c Wii U games are done. That's the difference. Sony consoles are supported for 10 years, not 3, people appreciate that support. Same for Xbox360, it's still around, still getting games. Wii got games for a few years after Wii U.
It's different this time, Nintendo should keep that in mind.
SNAKE BETTER BE IN IT, THIS IS NO JOKE THE ONLY THING IN LIFE THAT I CAN LOOK FORWARD TO
@rjejr thats the problem. The WiiU actually had some great games in its short lifespan, but most of them came in the latter half of it.
I'll keep hoping for this guy to be in Smash as long as I live. We need more Nintendo villains in Smash!
@memoryman3 Yes! Hopefully she's a separate character
I just want to see more representation of Golden sun, even if it is only Trophies and a few new tracks and bringing Isaac back as an assist trophy would be good enough. One new track and which sounds like a direct rip from the DS game and the remixed battle theme that was included with Norfair is hardly good representation.
@mikegamer Be careful what you ask for, or they might add an 8th to fix that issue
I have a list of characters I'd like to see, but won't bother getting my hopes up until this comes out as both actual news and with info about substantial changes being on it. Some of these suggestions seem far out of the realm of possibility with a port. When you start talking stuff like the subspace emissary, that's the kinda material that you may as well design a sequel for rather than a port.
I want the style of the game thrown out & replaced with a 3D arena fighter along the lines of Power Stone.
@Riderkicker why are you even here?
@BrianFrobey Notice the term "arguably". It's all opinion
@bolt05 genius! Unfortunately Rare and MS won't let that happen?
@Pukereekingidiot would be awesome but again unfortunately MS and Rare won't let that happen. My shout would be the snake
from Snake Rattle N Roll (but again MS wouldn't let that happen)
It's nice to see people here supporting Daisy in Smash .
If they can't add more characters, at least make new skins. Daisy as an alternative to Peach. Wolf as an alternative to Fox, Ken as an alternative to Ryu, so many Link's, so many Zelda's, Shadow over Sonic.
@rjejr
"Sony Consoles are supported 10 years, not 3"
Eh ehm, they did the exact same thing with Vita.
The only reason the PS3 was supported so long was because it was so successful. Had it not been- if the PS3 only had 13 million sales after 4 years, I'm willing to bet they would have released another console and moved on also
@rjejr
And all that's irrelevant anyways. No matter where you go no, no matter what console you play on, games release later with included DLC, and the Wii U's lifespan has absolutely nothing to do with that.
You're trying to specifically demonize something that literally everyone does, and then say that it's just not OK for Nintendo because Wii U didn't succeed? What does the Wii U and how long it was out there have anything to do with anything? It doesn't.
You've got to stop falling back on this argument as if Nintendo is so evil for bringing a new console out 4 years 4 months after it launched. For 30 years their consoles haven't lasted more than 5-6 years anyways.
So let's stop pretending like the Wii U was going to be supported like 10 years, but evil Nintendo cut it short after 3. No. The Wii U was always going to be replaced by a successor by November 2017 (you like to showing me trend lines- see the alternating 5 year lifespan trend). They cut it short by 8 months rjejr, so please stop acting like that's so much more than it is. And you can say "but they didn't release much the last year" and I will tell you that is no different than the Wii. They always have little the last year, probably because I suspect they physically cannot support two existing platforms and get a lineup ready for a 3rd.
The point is, the Wii U didn't get cut all that short, and you know that. You've been around long enough to understand how long Nintendo consoles are supported. And you also know that there was good reason to cut if off short. What would you have them do- continue supporting a dead console for the span of 10 years and run themselves into bankruptcy?
Look at how many games they released on the Wii U despite being no more than a Saturn or Dreamcast or Vita. Go count how many 1st party games were released on Saturn, and how many 1st party games released on Dreamcast, and Vita. Now I want you to go count how many 1st party games were released on Wii U.
I rest my case.
I'd like to see Kraid's stage from SSB melee return. It was one of my favorites
It's a bit unreasonable but I'd love it if they made a GameCube adapter or made wireless GameCube controllers.
Aside from that I'd love Issac from Golden Sun, a CO from Advance Wars, or Rawk Hawk to be playable characters (although that last one is exceptionally unlikely).
But yeah, I don't want to expect too much as Sakurai must be exhausted enough. Melee was made with the mindset of being the last game!
This is all making the assumption this is real of course.
@BrianFrobey There's a distinction to be made between the general reception of a game and it's competitive scene. Melee still has a 'scene' as it has fast controls, a deeper array of exploits and generally a higher skills cap than more modern releases. This doesn't change the fact that many general gamers will consider Sm4sh the 'strongest' iteration so far. They reviewed extremely similarly, so it's no surprise the opinion would divided, or 'arguable'.
@The-Chosen-one
I'd like to see new altnernative costumes for some characters. (Similar to what characters like Wario, Zero Suit Samus, and the gender swap characters have) like have Dry Bowser for Bowser, Metal Sonic, Mrs. Pac-Man, and others.
@Trikeboy I think alternative costumes should be restricted to just different costumes of the character. Like, put someone like Daisy in her own slot, and make a Sunshine Peach costume.
I think this is the real reason why Nintendo had the voting for new characters previously. That has given them time to make the contracts with other companies and get exclusive characters they know people would pay money for in the Nintendo Switch version. Not that I'm complaining, I would love to see Shovel Knight in the Smash Bros game with a number of new stages. I'm looking forward to this one and to see how Amiibo work on the Switch in general.
Put King K. Rool Dixie or Cranky Kong in! We need at least one more Donkey Kong Country representative.
Just take out Rosalina. Talk about an overrated character there.
@JaxonH You keep looking at things individually, but you need to look at the whole, that's what matters. Yes, all previous Nintendo consoles lasted 5 years with spotty support. When Wii U launched was SSBB and $100 worth of DLC on it? No, it wasn't, b/c Nintendo never did DLC before, it's 1 of things, like mobile, they said they would never do. He has they said there wouldn't even be DLC in SSBU before it released, and look how that turned out. Every new Nintendo console got new games or sequels, not all the hits as ports. That's different.
You are right about Vita having a worse fate than Wii U, no argument there. How many Vita ports are going to be on Sony next handheld console? Probably none, b/c there probably isn't going to be one. Sony knows they lost all of those people, no reason releasing a new handheld. Like I think Nintendo finally figured out no more home consoles, so they made a hybrid. That's Nintendo's best shot with Switch, nobody has done a mainstream hybrid system before. And I hope it turns out well for them and us. But there will be hard feelings from Wii U fans, no reason to pretend there won't be. May not matter, they may buy Switch, they may buy PS4 or X1, they may buy a tablet, but they'll probably go away and not stick around complaining about it.
What i also miss in smash are character endings. I loved the cutscenes from the character reveal but i really miss like that storytelling (award) whem finishing the game. Just let bandai namco handle that part.
I have Smash 4 already 2 times (Wii u and 3ds version). No way am I buying it a third time!!
@Tsuchinoko "but most of them came in the latter half of it."
Well "latter half" isn't saying much for a console that will barley last 4 years w/ almost no new games the last 6 months. And 2 of my favorites were early - Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101. Hyrule Warriors and Bayonetta 2 were right in the middle. So I don't think the problem was late games - some good ones early and middle - the problem was price/power comparisons - price of PS4 and Xbox 1, power of the $199 PS3/Xbox360. That's a whole lot of competition to go toe-to-toe w/ and Ninteod spent a fraction of the amount of money on advertising they needed too.
Fall of 2014 - halfway thru the Wii U life - Nintneod should have lowered the price to $249 and had a huge marketing campaign for the 3 best exclusive games that holiday on any console - Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 2 and SSBU. They all released Aug-Oct 2014, no other console had that trifecta of game exclusives. They should have promoted that everywhere. I never saw a single ad that had all 3 together. And they never used the word "Exclusive". SSB was also on 3DS but the games are different enough I think they could have gotten away w/ marketing it as an exclusive. And PS and Xbox fans like fighting and exclsuives. But there was almost zero marketing. SSB got a lot, but I think the the over emphasis on amiibo and DLC killed some of that fervor.
@memoryman3 I am starting to think that you might like Daisy
You say Ultimate, Well here we are!
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