The Wii U was a disappointment to retailers, gamers and Nintendo itself, claims GameStop CEO Paul Raines.
Speaking to [a]list, Raines admitted that the console simply hadn't performed as expected, but he was keen to point out that Nintendo as a company should never be counted out:
Wii U was disappointing to everybody, including them. They made some bold bets, and maybe some of them didn't work out.
But they have a lot of creativity there. They're a very innovative group of people, so we never count out Nintendo. Even now it's incredible how strong some of their IP is – Pokémon, for example. We could have a Pokémon weekend this weekend at GameStop and we would break sales records just because every time they put out a new game they have a very loyal fan base.
Raines feels that the failure of the Wii U to capture the same market share as the original Wii will spur Nintendo onwards, and that the tragic passing of president Satoru Iwata will have had an impact on the firm. He also states that within GameStop, there's a lot of hype for the Nintendo NX:
They just lost their leader, so they've gone through a mourning period and so forth. There is some excitement around NX. Lately here, we've been hearing a lot more buzz than we have in the past.
Nintendo is interesting in that they really are able to keep things as quiet as they can for a while. NX sounds exciting. We're looking forward to it. They're very innovative in everything that they do. I hope that they come out with something exciting and innovative.
Nintendo NX is still very much under wraps, and won't be shown off at this year's E3. A March 2017 launch has been indicated by Nintendo itself.
[source mcvuk.com, via alistdaily.com]
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I'm a believer.
My first Nintendo console that I was able to purchase was a DS. then a 3ds, followed by a Wii U. I will be purchasing the NX..call it blind faith, but I genuinely believe they will pull through and wow us.
Yeah, sadly it's very true, WiiU bombed after the first 3 months of launch. They read the market wrong. Can happen to any company in the world at the end of the day.
But here's hoping whatever the NX is that it turns their ship around and sells millions.
Well, GameStop is a disappointment for everybody, we all hope they die soon. Who cares what their ceo thinks.
Everybody you say? I love the Wii U. I use it every day. There are so many well-reviewed games on the console but LOL Nintendo, right? So many gamers don't even give it a chance and I feel sorry for them. I think they're missing out on some great titles.
Honestly, I've been laughed at by Gamestop employees for purchasing and asking about Wii U games. I'm sure you can guess how I feel about their CEO's opinion.
The funny thing is. I can't think of too many memorable experiences on the other two systems other than Metal Gear Solid V. Nothing else I've played has stood out to me on the PS4. But on the other hand, we play a lot of Atlus, NIS, and XSeed games, while we find most of the AAA titles boring.
The Wii U has by far impressed me with more fun and memorable experiences. Whether it be the scene I get to be a part of in Smash, or the excellent concepts Platinum has put on the system, or even the color and co-op fun of Woolly World and 3D World. The Wii U system has been my favorite so far this gen, bar none.
I love my WiiU and it was the only gaming console I bought this generation and I will continue to buy Nintendo Products, to me there is no reason really to purchase the other two when I own a PC and can play almost everything I want on that platform. Nintendo is one hell of a company to support their own platform, and the games this generation were some of the best from the company. I CAN NOT WAIT FOR ZELDA! I just hope a lot of the things that the WIIU did will carry over, like MiiVerse.
How is it "disappointing to everybody". I guess you meant "disappointing to my investments" or "disappointing to overpaid game industry CEOs wages". But sure, it's SO disappointing with it's quality games library and it daring to try something new, being more than just a black box PC rip- off.
If NX only uses download medium, game retailers won't be able to sell anything: truly exciting!
Can't argue with this remarks. Just hope Nintendo eventually decides to let us know what NX is before its release in holiday of 2017. Yes, I'm calling it right now like I did the Zelda WiiU/NX delay, they aren't going to hit their March 2017 target.
@Fingeldor he's talking from a sales point of view. Yes it has the best games of all the systems out and we can say that till the cows come home, but it didn't sell, so it was a failure. Every game shop will say that.
The biggest decision Nintendo can make regarding the NX is to officially announce the console's name as being "NX". Right now it's only a codename. Nintendo always gives its consoles codenames before coming up with an official name. In this case, the code name is just too solid to change. NX sounds edgy and modern. Make the first right decision in this new era and let's stick with the NX moniker.
Wii U wasn't a disappointment to me. It has some really epic games. And Gamestop sucks tbh.
Not to me Mr. CEO. Not to me.
@AZBros totally agree! The code name NX is known very well in the gaming community so I say keep it like that for its official name. Or at least have it as 'NEX'.
Wasn't the DS's code name 'DS' for dual screen back before they named it, and then they decided to keep the DS name. Glad they did that.
If the Wii U was a disappointment to everybody, then how do you explain the 30+ games I bought for it, CEO?
@A01 depend on gaming taste. Ergo... Subjective
The Wii U is now starting the slow march down to death door, but still at this moment my Wii U has a better game library then my Xbox One.
I don't understand why Nintendo didn't market the system, it's like Nintendo themselves didn't believe in the Wii U. Another major mistake was in the hardware why would they sell 32GB Consule with a lack luster CPU, when knowing the Xbox One and PS4 we're just around the corner?
"They're very innovative in everything that they do. I hope that they come out with something exciting and innovative."
Hmm, I guess they mean exciting and yet familiar/same, like Sony's and Microsoft's systems.
Well I still get more fun and gaming hours out of Wii U then my PC (even with the greater 3rd party support), so I'm happy.
I got my Wii U almost a year ago and I can say it has never disappointed me in the least. The reason I play Nintendo games is simply because I know that whatever I am playing I will have fun doing it. That is what I use games for, to have a fun place to cool down after a long day at work. Other systems may have better graphics or processing power but I don't have fun when I play them, I would play them for the experience. With Wii U I always have a great time playing Star Fox Zero, Splatoon, Hyrule Warriors and even New Super Mario Bros. U. It is awesome that we can play Wii games on the system as well! My four year old son just discovered Wii Sports and has a great time improving his bowling and tennis skills!
@readyletsgo
That's a great name the NEX! I haven't heard that until now. Reminds me of the NES but at the same time makes me picture something futuristic. Wish there was a way for you to pitch that to Nintendo.
@A01 oh snark!.... the world doesnt end at your doorstep
Okay, Mr. GameStop CEO. Please tell your stores to stop treating Nintendo like crap and stop hiring dude-bros that only care about brown and gray shooters.
I wasn't disappointed by the Wii U until Nintendo announced they're basically abandoning it. Hopefully they'll at least leave the servers on for a few more years so we can still play mk8, smash and splatoon
@readyletsgo Here's a list of all the Nintendo codenames over the years for their consoles, handhelds and peripherals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_codenames
Man, they've missed out on so many great names!
@readyletsgo I still think the messaging and advertising being way off was a huge contribitor to its lack of success. The name didn't help either.
@BoshiBoy Ikr!? Heard a lad on YouTube say it about 2 months ago and I've loved it ever since. I say it here all the time in the hope more people will say it He said the same thing as you did, reminds of the NES but a future twist in it. I hope they pick that name.
@16bitdave same here
@Mr_Zurkon "I still think the messaging and advertising being way off was a huge contribitor to its lack of success. The name didn't help either."
Oh I totally agree on this, Nintendo did themselves no favors from reveal to launch to droughts of games etc. I hope to God they have been paying attention for the last 6 or 7 years and get it all right again.
I love the Wii U. Not at all disappointed by it. I like it far more than the Wii or Gamecube.
GameStop are disappointing to me.
I'm quite the opposite, Wii U is fantastic and I'm not excited for NX. Given the recent E3 news, I'm thankful that I decided to leave a few of my purchased Wii U games like XCX as backup in case of big droughts.
Star Fox Zero saved the Wii U for me in 2016. It's been a while since I tried something so addictive and replayable. I don't care much about the other problems, it offered me enough games to have fun in these 4 years.
I'm assuming the everybody part is merely exaggeration, as I certainly wasn't disappointed by the Wii U. Sure, certain hopes for the system weren't reached (new instalments in certain IPs I like and eventually being able to use two GamePads with the system), but I overall have loved my Wii U.
Speaking purely in regards to the system, the Wii U has provided me with the joys of making friends through Miiverse, finally playing digital indie games through the easily manageable menu's and eShop, and my favourite game controller of all. The GamePad's features, be it off-TV play, gyro, touch screen, or simply how it feels in my hands, have made me treasure it to bits. Of course, the games themselves have been fantastic, and I appreciate being able to play my large Wii library on the system.
I also have to question why they think the NX sounds exciting? We've had very little confirmed information on the upcoming system, and for the most part, all we've heard are rumours. Perhaps it is due to how much I like my Wii U, and the fact that we know very little about it, but I'm not too excited for the NX. It also doesn't help that I don't exactly have a regular income. To summarise; I have a very different opinion to the GameStop CEO.
@A01 um.... Are you delusional? I mean, we have no sim racing, no sports, almost 100% of multi platform skip Nintendo...
Dude you in an alternate universe?
@Grumblevolcano man I still have loads of WiiU games to open and play. Just not enough time in adult life is there.
I haven't been satisfied with my Wii U since 2014. Smash and Bayonetta were the last games I bought that I'd consider great. Everything after has been disappointing in some way, and there's still the wasteland of nothing good coming out for the rest of the year. It's a damn shame
I opted to buy a Wii U over the Xbone or PS4. Why? The exclusive games. The Wii U's library is amazing, and lately my system has been getting more use than my handheld devices. Most of the franchises that I enjoy are found on Nintendo systems, whereas a lot of the IPs on the other two platforms either don't appeal to me or aren't what sell the system for me. I'll probably pick up a PS4 at some point, but for now my current systems keep my limited gaming time fully occupied.
Business-wise, yes, the Wii U is a failure. I believe this could have been mitigated by better marketing and by giving the system a better name (Heck, even "Wii" is a weird name). But from my standpoint? This system has one of the best libraries ever, and I'll still be playing games on it for quite some time.
The hours of pure enjoyment I have gotten out of my Wii U are about equal to the number of times Gamestop has delivered incompetent service.
Although I traded in my Wii U a few weeks back after picking it up at launch day, I would say in terms of fun factor & first party games, the console is far from a disappointment, especially for family gaming & mp with friends imo - Nintendo Land being an absolute riot & the best to showcase that.
It's not perfect (what console is) but I still certainly enjoyed my time with it. It just didn't have enough staying power for me personally despite its exclusives which is why I eventually traded it in towards a PS4.
I'll keep an eye on the NX, more so if it's a handheld (without gimmicks) but for the future, I'm far more than happy with the 3ds as my main Nintendo fix & GameCube as back up.
Ya, I'm excited for it too.
I'm always excited for new Nintendo hardware. It's the most exciting thing in all of gaming. I love other consoles and all but, PS4 is essentially still a PSone, just with more power, bells and whistles. Which is fine, but, it's Nintendo's unpredictability that really gets me going.
Looks at bookshelf full of Wii U games
Looks at shoebox containing handful of PS4 games
Hm. Interesting.
I picked up a Wii U day one and disappointed is not a word that comes to my mind there are some amazing titles on Wii U I still play daily and I would still highly recommend the system to anyone who was thinking about picking one up . I do think it's time for a price cut but saying it's a disappointment to all fans is so not true .
Really, really this is news how? Everyone knew it was a disappointment. Next article will be that the sky is blue.
I still have a lot of games to buy for my Wii U, its been a great Console, far better than the Wii. XCX alones has given me 150+ hrs, and the other Consoles catalogues, except FF, isn't really interesting for me.
Not really excited for the NX until a good bundle comes along. I'll get Zelda for my Wii U.
@AZBros
As much as I love Nintendo, I fear they will call it 'Mii X Joybox U' or something lame and cutesy. NX does sound edgy, but when was the last time Nintendo were edgy?
@The_Mysteron
"Playstation"
Wii U backlog: Star Fox Zero, Shantae and the rest of that amazing humble bumble deal, Twilight Princess (4 hours down 25+ to go), Yoshi's Woolly World, Hyrule Warriors (which I missed earlier due to MK8 and Splatoon) and a few others. No disappointment here (other than the party is gonna end too soon).
@Danrenfroe2016 I really want to stop playing my WiiU as a lot of angry people on the internet are telling me to. The problem is most of the best WiiU games don't have any better alternative on the other systems. So I have no choice. Sorry.
"Wii U's critics disappointing to everybody, but we're excited about people potentially giving NX a chance this time" says rational, unbiased gamers.
Maybe the GameStop CO is excited about the profit the NX could generate but to be excited about the console we have to know something about it.
Yes, Wii-U may be a disappoint in sales, however it is my favorite console since SNES times and I'm pretty sure lot of owners are enjoying it like me. Nowadays no other systems have the exclusive games catalogue and traditional multiplayer mayhem Wii-U got.
@A01 As a Wii U owner, no, not really. If you prefer Wii U's library, it's your opinion and none can change it but to act like it is impossible for the PS4 and XBOX One library of exclusives to improve and get better long after the Wii U is done is a laughable and bold statement. Personally, Nintendo's first party games this gen were their weakest. Spin offs and games lacking content, the best games they released were simply good sequels to previous game, nothing mind blowing or incredible by any stretch of the imagination.
@A01 I agree. The Wii u clearly hasn't been disappointing to everybody. The Wii u itself is innovative. It has an amazing library of games like other consoles before it.
I love that picture. I miss Iwata-san
@Yorumi Meh, I guess the "last line of defense" type of argument where the console is such a failure that we have to delude ourselves thinking that there is at least something that completely redeems it from being a commercial failure. Honestly, this gen was weak for first party games.
As other mentioned, I can't stand to hear the Wii U was dissapointing to "everybody"; I know I'm just a gamer and not part of their business world, but we are the one playing the games at the end and some of us loved the Wii U! We should count at least a bit! >o<
I have 28 games on disc for the system, not so disappointing experience for me. Even so, NX can improve in many ways.
@Yorumi Could you tell me 50 GameCube exclusives? Because I could tell you more than 50 Wii-U exclusives.
About N64, yes it was good and 4 players was also good with gems such as Mario Kart 64, Goldeneye, Smash Bros 64 or even Micromachines 64 with its 8 player mode.
But compare the multiplayer mayhem with the Wii-U one: Smash Bros, Mario Kart 8, Runbow, Nintendo Land, Art of Balance, Wii Party U, TNT Racers, Chompy Chomp Chomp, PictoParty, Spin the Bottle... Half of them you can play up to 8-9 players in a same console. Much others are for 5 players with a genuine asymetric multiplayer mode, and most of Wii-U games with a story mode features cooperative mode. How many GameCube or N64 games had cooperative?
Wii-U have the huge Wii catalogue, backwards compatibilty that N64 or GameCube hadn't + the multiplayer mayhem no other console ever had + a whole bunch of retro style, the one that N64 or GameCube were missing to center in 3D graphics that are nowadays just plain bored and outdated gfx + games with the original wii remote gameplay instead of traditional control + offtv gameplay and asymetric gameplay or touch control only gamepad can offer + online play + an e-shop with good quality games for a very fair price instead of the steal price of GameCube or N64 times.
So yes, in fact I'm now even more sure to say that Wii-U is my favorite console system from SNES times.
I traded in my Xbox One +15 games and bought a Wii U Saturday after hearing they were going to start slowing Wii U production.
I now have 10 Wii U first party games and picked up 6 amiibo.
Now I have like 5 more Wii U games I really want + some first party wii games I can play + the virtual console releases.
I am happy with my decision.
@Castellon-games
Very excellent points, well done.
You know, whenever a debate is raised over the Wii U and its library, the pro-Wii U side always cites how much fun they have with the games, how unique the experiences have been, how creative they think the titles have been, how they're not at all disappointed and are satisfied with their purchases.
And then the opposition always ends up just making a bunch of pretentious and elitist comments like "oh, but how were the review scores" and "but it's less powerful than ___" and "what about 3rd party support" and "but how is the frame-rate of ___ game?"
And yet, none of these comments matter at all to gamers in the long run. So I know which side I'd rather be on.
I'm not disappointed in the Wii U at all. In fact, I enjoy it more than my PS4. I was disappointed in a few of the titles that seemed lazy and/or rushed. Mario Tennis, Mario Party, Mario/Sonic Sochi. Bare bones games with minimal content. But like I said, I love my Wii U. Kinda wished its final year was stronger. Who knows, maybe they will announce a few more games at E3 as the Wii U sunsets.
@Yorumi N64 was terrible. Worst console Nintendo ever released. The Wii U has a much more robust library of games.
I hate that it's going to have such a short lifespan, but it's easily my favorite home console this gen.
@Yorumi N64 had a handful of decent games and a ton of mediocre ones. Even the good ones looked like garbage at the time and were hard to control with that nightmare of a controller it shipped with.
The PS1 totally dominated Nintendo that gen. It even had better platformers!
Sony is dominating this gen as well, of course, but I feel like the Wii U offers me more than the N64 ever did.
@Yorumi No sales? There are sales every week on the e-shop and just now you can get a whole bunch of games worth hundreds for few bucks thanks to the Nintendo Humble Bundle. So I don't get your point comparing N64 times prices with nowadays... I think you don't own a Wii-U or you are not into it really if you don't know about e-shop sales.
Could you play GBA by default in your GameCube or it required an expensive weird accesory few stores sold?
And by the way, Wii is a full home system, not a handheld one
and yes Wii yet increases the multiplayer mayhem with 8 player gems like Tetris Party Deluxe, Bomberman Blast or Driift.
If you are a lone player and like N64 and GameCube titles, besides the Wii-U ones with Wii backwards compatibility you can also play Metroid Prime saga, Kirby saga, Mario Galaxy games, The Last Story, rail shooters in its best like Dead Space, House of the Dead saga, or Sin & Punishment games, Punch Out, Wario Ware, Blast Works, Boom Blox, Mad World, Muramasa, No More Heroes 2, Metal Slug, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, Project Zeroes, Zeldas, etc.
Yes, besides nostalgia, Nintendo 64 was defining genres etc but those times are gone, all is defined and improved now.
GameCube > Wii U > Wii > N64, in terms of the 3D Nintendo consoles. In my opinion, of course.
@Syrek24 then why does the Xbox and ps4 out sell the Wii U?
@bitleman I love the games on the Wii U too, but I want to play dirt. A proper racing game and several other games not available....
Comparing N64 or GameCube 3D for its time makes sense, but makes no so much sense for systems offering something else other than just better 3D graphics.
@Danrenfroe2016 Yes, racing is the missing genre for Wii-U. It hurt me so much when they cancelled Project Cars and I was long waiting with the pre-order.
Fast Racing Neo, Need for Speed Most Wanted, Mario Kart 8, Sonic & All Stars Racing... but no real racing simulation at all.
Wii U was NOT a disappointment to THIS gamer.
I've had TONS of fun with my Wii U and have lots more fun planned over the next year or 2.
I just did a count and I own 57 Wii U games plus 25 Wii U VC games and there are several more that I still plan on getting and just haven't had the time to get around to them yet.
I can understand it being a disappointment to Nintendo and retailers, but I don't understand it being a disappointment to gamers.
@Yorumi No, I wasn't holding the controller wrong, the design was ridiculous and uncomfortable.
@leo13
Because a lot of people like to feel smart and important so they cite nonsense about frame-rate and processing power and 3rd party support.
Meanwhile, the people who play games because they love games only actually care about things like "is this game fun" and "does this game play well?"
My Wii U has never disappointed me!
Gamestop, disappointing to everyone
I've been a Nintendo fan since '88 with the NES, and I have to say that even though the third party support for Wii U was disappointing, everything else about the Wii U has been absolutely amazing! Great first party games, and I love playing games using the gamepad as a screen, or as a quick inventory screen.
What I think is very disappointing is the xbox one and ps4 being basically the same boring crap as normal, but with slightly better graphics. I still own my Wii U with tons of games, I already sold my xbox one and ps4 because all the games are just shooters basically.
I'll be supporting and buying the NX, no matter what it is, because Nintendo makes games I love to play, and that is the best reason to buy a console.
@Yorumi Common, go and compare psn prices with this: https://www.humblebundle.com/friends-of-nintendo-3ds-wiiu
I'm just mentioning multiplayer when comparing it to N64 or NGC? Ok I'm copy-pasting myself again:
Wii-U is the system with more exclusives for this generation + touch control, asymetric gameplay or off-tv only gamepad can offer + games with the original wii remote gameplay instead of traditional control + online play + an e-shop with good quality games for a very fair price instead of the steal price of GameCube or N64 times + a whole bunch of retro style, the one that N64 or GameCube were missing to center in 3D graphics that are nowadays just plain bored and outdated gfx + the huge Wii catalogue, backwards compatibilty that N64 or GameCube hadn't + the multiplayer mayhem no other console ever had
Yes, the order is now changed, maybe you go farther than line 2 this time
@hYdeks
Agreed. I personally think the controller is revolutionary. I love the dual screens. I don't even care whether many games utilize it or not, the fact that it's there in case you need it is great. It's nice to be able to have off-TV play not only for main titles, but for the Virtual Console. That way I don't have to worry about hogging the TV all the time, I can just wander away with my gamepad and keep going.
@Flauber Wow very harsh, but at the same time very true. The only time I bother visiting a GameStop these days are for exclusive amiibo and half of the time even that's an epic failure. Constant server crashes, online sales that shut them down, they need a complete IT infrastructure flush and rebuild.
@Yorumi I know how to hold the N64 controller. It felt awkward holding the right handle, the button placement was terrible, and the control stick was bad enough that I actively had to work against it to control the games. And no, I've owned multiple controllers, so it wasn't just a broken controller.
Good Nintendo controllers are intuitive: you instantly know how to hold them. The fact that you've known people who held the controller wrong speaks volumes about how weird and alien the design was.
GameStop is disappointing to everybody.
@Yorumi, I'm sure you will reply... But my time doesn't deserve to waste it here. I'm now going back to my Wii-U. Again
Sure you feel N64 or GameCube was better, but the point is GameStop man says Wii-U disappointed to gamers and that's not true. Wii-U disappointed a market looking elsewhere, which yet thinks Wii-U is just a new controller for the old Wii. However most of the lucky owners of a Wii-U are very happy with it and the support Nintendo did despite the low sales. That's the thing wrong with GameStop speech and the reason making a lot of users here writting about it.
Wow, what a bunch of weirdos...
First GameStop goes on record saying that they are not expecting the NX to be a sales success and not having much faith in it, and now all of a sudden, they're excited. What gives?
@ThanosReXXX
You're surprised?
This is the company that demands you pre-order with them because "unlike other retailers, we honor our pre-orders".
And then when they oversell on pre-orders, they turn around and say "a pre-order isn't a guarantee".
It's not wiiu's fault, it's the games it got and Nintendo's greediness that failed it :T
@Vandy Yeah, true. Should have thought of that one, or the re-packaging and re-selling of older copies of Xenoblade Chronicles for premium prices...
As someone that was a diehard nintendo fan, well I'm still a very big fan of Nintendo believe me, they are still my go to gaming company . But I have spent much more time gaming on my ps4/ps3 than on my WiiU. The WiiU has fun games, there is no lie there, but it lacks more great games that catch people's attention.
I'm looking forward to see what Nintendo will do with the NX.
I'm sorry speak for yourself, I wasn't disappointed with the Wii U
I was a huge Nintendo fan going into the Wii U, but Nintendo has practically lost me now. The types of games I enjoyed playing on Nintendo consoles in the past just aren't present anywhere near as much. I haven't bought a retail release since Smash Bros in November of 2014... I love the small collection of games I own for the system, and will continue to use it, but I doubt Nintendo will be getting my money for the forseable future.
For me, calling the Wii U disappointing is an understatement.
Wii U was an amazing console. Loved it to death- still do.
Was it the best? The worst? Who knows. Maybe it was the worst. But even the worst Nintendo console is still an incredible thing to own.
And the back catalog, so awesome. I read some say that doesn't matter, but sure it does! Access to all those older gems matter. The GameCube was a great console, but I couldn't play almost every great NES, SNES, N64, Wii, GBA and DS game I wanted on it. Back catalog matters a lot. And Wii U is that much better in my eyes because it offers an all star lineup from NES to current gen.
Of course I want NX to be better, but I'm not gonna waste my breath complaining about a console I play as much if not more than the touted PS4
Well it's true. But the same could be said of Gamestop, they're an even bigger disappointment.
Huh......the Wii U is actually my favorite console of all the current ones now. Oh well, gamestop had slammed Nintendo in the past.
I love Nintendo and since I own all the consoles I really like the fact that they do different things than Microsoft and Sony did with their systems. I love the Wii U controller and I really liked the Wii except for when they tried to force the waggle where it didn't fit. Having said that these innovative controller ideas added to weaker hardware pretty much make their console a 1st party only system for the most part. Yes they get some 3rd party support but not nearly enough and since most people don't own 3 consoles I can understand why Nintendo would not be their first choice.
The Wii u was a phenomenal console. My favorite of this generation and the one I've had the fondest experiences with. However you can not deny its commercial bombing. That is the disappointment. While yes there were some stellar titles, I don't agree with Nintendo's every decision this go.
I've been very fortunate to have grown up along side every generation of console and had the opportunity to play most of them and I have to honestly say that along side the Dreamcast, the wiiU is one of my favourite consoles of all time. It may have disappointed with its sales and such like, but it is far from a dissapointment to me. I only hope that I can transfer my digital library to its successor and that people who didn't get the chance to play wiiu this gen, get the chance to play the gamers on Nintendos next console.
So much Gamestop hate.
Meanwhile the Australian equivalent, EB Games, is well known for their constant sales and good customer service, while JB Hi-Fi (our Best Buy) is rather stingy. They sold me a dud copy of Lego Indiana Jones and almost refused me a refund even when I showed them it didn't work. I had to complain.
I don't really do home consoles, but if I get this it's easily going to be an EB Games purchase for me.
if you don't think the Wii U is innovative, I don't know what is.
@Wallkick03
For a lot of people, "innovative" simply means "prettier graphics" and "better processor".
They don't actually like too much change because then they have to stray from their comfort zone and try new things.
Wii U was alright. I got to play Smash and Bayonetta so I guess I'm happy. Other great games on their too. I play the other consoles a lot more though.
I have almost every single video game system in existence. The Wii U is among my favourite system ever!
i never knew the gamepad prototype was the size of a piano
@Flauber
First off I like GameStop, I have never had an issue with GameStop staff. Second as a CEO of a video game company focused for retail, his opinion is highly prized in the gaming market. Among retail stores, GameStop does the most for Nintendo.
I honestly fully agree with this CEO's comments. I feel as though Nintendo just misread the market too much. In another view, the Wii U is exactly what I wanted as a gaming system. I honestly don't see the appeal of a PlayStation 4 or Xbox One at all. I am quite satisfied with my Wii U, including the current amount of games released for it. Even if it doesn't get any more games other than Paper Mario and Zelda U.
Screw Gamestop.
@Ralizah looked like garbage? i skipped most of that generation. looking back on it, i simply cannot look at ps1 classics like tomb raider, which to me look as bad as atari games, whereas something like mario 64 looks to me more like mega drive sonic.
@Fingeldor
I hate when people think they can speak on my behalf and I have also had similar experiences with Gamestop employees
I am happy with my wii u. I am happy with my 3ds. I am dissapointed in ps4 so far. I enjoyed 2 games of note on PS3, dark souls and uncharted 2. I could get by without Sony, but not Nintendo.
While I'm more a handheld guy, I can't say I was dissapointed by the wii u. I'm enjoying it.
@A01 I totally agree. I'd even say that the WiiU is my favourite console ever.
My personal opinion is the Wii U has 10 or so very good games but 4 are platformers (Mario 3D, Mario 2D, DK, Mario Maker).
Highlights for me are Pikmin 3 and Mario Kart 8.
Disappointments for me are a lack of:
F-Zero
3D Pokemon
Metroid
Wave Race
A Starfox game that's enjoyable
And to a lesser extent....
A Mario Party that's not held back by bad game design
Mario Golf
A Mario Tennis game that represents value for money
Yes, I was much more engaged with Nintendo home consoles when the Gamecube was around
@Yorumi
What might be mediocrity to you might not be to someone else. You're treating your opinion as undeniable fact when it is not. All I ever wanted from the Wii U or any Nintendo console for that matter is an awesome Zelda game and it definitely looks like Nintendo is going to deliver on that so I'm more than happy with the console. All the other games are just a bonus.
@Vandy Hahaha, nice!
@Yorumi Listen smartypants, I got an Atari 2600 when I was 5 yrs old and have been playing video games ever since! I've owned every Nintendo console and my favourite ever is WiiU. I love the games for this system. People like WiiU. Deal with it!
A lot of people feel the way I do here, I have really enjoyed a lot of games on my Wii U, and just like with the GC & N64, in years to come I will still get it back out to play some of the classics. That said, in comparison to N64 games, Nintendo's overall game libraries have dropped in quality slightly with each console since then, and you can see that they were overstretched for Wii U. Mario games and Starfox games getting 4 or 5 out of 10, not the usual Nintendo way.
@Castellon-games "Wii-U is the system with more exclusives for this generation + touch control, asymetric gameplay or off-tv only gamepad can offer + games with the original wii remote gameplay instead of traditional control + online play + an e-shop with good quality games"
Touch Screen, Asymmetric gameplay isn't a straight up positive like you are implying it is. Many people, including me, HATE the asymmetric gameplay of the Wii U and its "Unique" controls. The Wii U is the exemplary console of what not to focus on when making a game console. Golly, why focus on making game with replay value and quality stories with excellent gameplay when we can make a stupid controller that is way too bulky to be ergonomic? All we get is glorified tech demos. Notice how most fan favorites are games that do NOT focus on "unique" controls. Like Bayonetta, Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Super Mario 3D World. Unique controls or unique controllers aren't needed to make a game great. Hell, I prefer Dark Souls 3 over anything released on the Wii U thus far and it's not a game that tries to innovate but it perfects the tried and true concepts of Dark Souls which eventually leads to greatness.
Also, Multiplayer mayhem. To enjoy this, you need friends and not everyone has friends near them to enjoy these games to the fullest which leads to a boring experience for some. Which leads to another negative point of the Wii U, the lack of online multiplayer on most games thus not giving lonely players a chance of playing multiplayer games. You see, there's a world outside of your eyes and I don't think you are seeing it through the eyes of others. A person may not have friends and he won't be able to enjoy the co-op/multiplayer games you are raving about. So what's left? The single player games. So the library has already shrunk in size for these people.
@EngieBengie
Touch screen, asymetric control and off-tv, doesn't imply games using it. In fact you cited some examples of good games not using it.
The advantage in that point is that if you like traditional control then you have good games to play in a traditional way and if you are bored about always the same formulas, then you have the chance to try something new with gamepad.
I see you are not a fan of asymetric gameplay, if you don't play multiplayer with friends in a same console, why would you even bother at all? But it is really welcome for most people who do and are tired about the same party games. Adding 1 more player for most games and the asymetric gameplay for games such as Zombi-U, Nintendoland, Star Fox Guard, Affordable Space Adventures, Wii Party U, Nihilumbra, Kirby, Runbow gamepad mode, Mario Party Bowser mode, Tank Tank Kong mode... to me was one of the few fresh things for this generation.
Yes not everybody is into multiplayer mayhem or complete a game in cooperative with your couple or family and I'm aware about PS4 or Xbox One having a better online, but the quote you took was about me replying someone saying N64 or GameCube was better, that's the reason because I mentioned online, not as a comparation with other systems. Anyway some Wii-U games like Splatoon, Mario Kart or Runbow are yet very enjoyable online.
@Castellon-games Most games supporting were mediocre at best. There wasn't a game this generation that showed why asymmetric controls is this must have feature that every game needs. ZombiU and Rayman Legends became multiplats therefore asymmetric gameplay was never necessary for these games. If the best it can bring to the table is to remove the HUD clutter on the TV screen, then I frankly regret my purchase.
"but the quote you took was about me replying someone saying N64 or GameCube was better,"
Because they are. lol, that's the point I'm making here. Asymmetric gameplay and touch screen gameplay isn't this secret ingredient that makes games 10 times better. What makes a console relevant long after its release is, and correct if I'm wrong, games which the N64 and GameCube have in spades unlike the Wii U. Better games, more diverse genres, more diverse demographics and higher quality gameplay all around. That's all it takes for them to be considered better than the Wii U.
Best thing to come from this generation, THE WIIU GAMEPAD!!! MY WHOLE FAMILY LOVES THE GAMEPAD!!!!!!!!
@EngieBengie Well then I guess that's just a matter of taste:
I think what makes a console relevant with the pass of time is the replay value and Wii-U have tons of it.
Take a look to past generation. Sure everyone was blaming Wii due the lack of power, but if you are into superior graphics, why bother playing again anything from PS3/Xbox-360 if that's an outdated generation? On the other hand I'm yet playing rail shooters, wii sports/resort, or wiimote party games with my couple or when friends comes home. They even ask me to pick up the Wii-U when we gather elsewhere. We play Wii-U software most of time but sometimes we also play some of those games from a past generation and yet we have a good time. However no one of my friends, get back to their Xbox 360 or PS3 because some are playing One/PS4/PC with their better graphics, or some are no longer into gaming because they have no time nowadays to spend in full story games. And that's the formula for most of PS4 or Xbox One games: once game is completed, you are done, go and buy the next looking better one. The same formula that Nintendo was mostly using in N64 or GameCube times. And I don't like that formula, so maybe is just a matter of taste.
To my taste, both N64 and GameCube have some games with good replay value such as Mario Kart 64 and Smash Bros. But the best version of Smash Bros is Wii-U one. If you enjoyed Mario Kart 64, Mario Kart DS is the same but with much more content. Even after Goldeneye, the same team did Time Splitters Future Perfect, a more actual FPS with a more perfect split screen mode where you could even create your own battle stages, and with a better looking campaign which you can fully complete in cooperative with a friend. Sure it didn't have the same impact than Goldeneye had for its time, but if you play both nowadays, you will realize Future Perfect is far better than Goldeneye, the same than any actual FPS with online mutliplayer is now much better than Future Perfect.
So sure the games I mentioned are not AAA titles, but does it mean they are less re-playable?
The asymmetric party play of Nintendoland, or Wii Party U gamepad modes, the asymmetric cooperative of Affordable Space Adventures, Kirby, or Star Foxes, the gamepad use in games like Splatoon, Game & Wario, Project Zero, Mario Maker, Art Academy, the multiplayer madness of Runbow or Chompy Chomp 9 player battles, or all the 5 player games thanks to the gamepad, the split screen games with the welcome of an additional unsplit screen of gamepad like Call of Duty Black Ops II or Sonic & All Stars Racing... In my opinion they are the games that will keep people playing Wii-U once in a while after new generations because without gamepad no new consoles will be able to offer a similar gameplay experience. Bayonetta 2, Zeldas, or any 'relevant' game that could be released on Wii-U like a new Metroid Prime, all them will be better in future better consoles, so why bother playing the old ones in a future?
About games like Rayman Legends, Zombi-U or Deus Ex: Human Revoultion that you mention are not Wii-U exclusives, remember they got the best version in Wii-U thanks to the GamePad use.
Yes Dark Souls 3, despite the dark atmosphere which personally I hate, is amazing looking for lot of people now, but years will pass and then a Dark Souls 4 will be released or hundreds of games in a next generation will look much better than Souls 3, so with time it will become irrelevant after all. And yes, I don't like Dark Souls 3 or Darksiders II, but I prefer The Witcher III over Zelda. Maybe you are not agree due your avatar... just a matter of taste, that's it.
Remember that Nintendo is not a so huge company as Sony or Microsoft are. So I'm afraid you are asking the impossible if you ask for a relevant console based on technically AAA games. They tried when Wii-U was released with the best release catalogue for this generation, however it is more than proved that good games is not enough for sales. I'm glad Nintendo took a different path since NDS or Wii. I'm getting more fun with different ways to play than what PS4 or Xbox One is offering: games I can play with better gfx in my computer. If that's your idea of a relevant console, then I think computer is the winner platform this generation. Try to see the resemblance in repeating AAA gaming market nowadays: Even Sony is releasing an updated PS4.5 soon just as anyone can update their PCs to play better. IMO Nintendo is the only fresh air for a gaming industry becoming a bored pc industry.
So I know Wii-U was a fail in sales but did N64 or GameCube sold better than the competence? They were however systems technically superior with good games for its time. NDS and Wii are the systems that gave breath to Nintendo economy. Wii is the only Nintendo home console that sold better than other companies since SNES times and it lacked both AAA games or tech awesomeness. Nintendo may succeed again with NX if they do something fresh and new or maybe not, but if they just manage to create a technically superior console, then Sony or Microsoft will end doing it better so Nintendo would implode without a different strategy.
The Wii U hasnt been disappointing to me. Its had the best games of the 8th gen and with its backwards compatibility it's like having a compendium of Nintendo's greatest games.
The only thing that was disappointing was that it didn't get better 3rd party or retail support. I'd have trouble finding games like TW101 or Splinter Cell at Gamestop/EB (which led me to going digital) but they'd have literally hundreds of copies of games like Thief or MGS Ground Zeros for the PS360. So Gamestop were part of the problem and added to their general derision of Nintendo it isn't surprising that their business has been in continual decline.
@Castellon-games My god, there is no logic whatsoever in the first paragraph. "why bother playing again anything from PS3/Xbox-360 if that's an outdated generation?" Because they have so many games and exclusives on them? Thought about that? Why do you think these consoles are still selling to this day? And your friends =/= the world's opinion. I frankly detest Nintendo's new approach with games as they tackle them as tech demos instead of fully fledged games. They're heartless, un-entertaining and boring, something I never thought I'd about Nintendo games pre-Wii U. They are nose diving in quality and replay value with formulaic release of beloved series that are developed as check lists.
"To my taste, both N64 and GameCube have some games with good replay value such as Mario Kart 64 and Smash Bros. But the best version of Smash Bros is Wii-U one" Opinion. I and many, MANY others prefer Melee vastly more than Smash 4.
"About games like Rayman Legends, Zombi-U or Deus Ex: Human Revoultion that you mention are not Wii-U exclusives, remember they got the best version in Wii-U thanks to the GamePad use." Give me a full list explaining how much better they are. Inventory management isn't a game changer btw.
"but years will pass and then a Dark Souls 4 will be released or hundreds of games in a next generation will look much better than Souls 3, so with time it will become irrelevant after all." LMAO. Another bold statement. Dark Souls 3 is newer than Dark Souls 1 and yet people STILL play Dark Souls 1 over and over and over. If you think people stop playing the old Dark souls games because of graphics, you truly have no idea why these games are so loved and played. Don't try to fool me, I played all and I go back to them regularly. I have not played Witcher 3 so I have no idea but Dark Souls is the series that effectively replaced Zelda for me.
"Remember that Nintendo is not a so huge company as Sony or Microsoft are." Nintendo IS a huge company. Last I checked they're bigger than Sony, maybe not Microsoft. Money has never been an issue for Nintendo. Their problem lies in always playing safe. "They tried when Wii-U was released with the best release catalogue for this generation, " They never even tried. If they did 3rd parties would still stick around and yet we act like they did and third parties abandonned because hurr durr they hate Nintendo. Nintendo never tried to begin with. Good for you for enjoying the Wii U, I HATE it meanwhile my PS4 gets more play time than my Wii U.
" Wii is the only Nintendo home console that sold better than other companies since SNES times and it lacked both AAA games or tech awesomeness. " Wii sold better due to being released at the right time AKA lucky. Despite it dominating the PS3 and Xbox 360, They both caught up very quickly once the hype died off and now the Wii is consistently outsold by the PS3? Because the PlayStation has established themselves as consoles that give gamers tons of games, even after their successor comes out. Simply put, you get a crap ton out of your investment. The same isn't the same for Nintendo. The NX will never succeed if it does not surpass people's expectations. The Wii was lucky but the hardcore Nintendo fans still felt betrayed in favor of casual fans, thus moving to PC, PS3 and Xbox 360.
@EngieBengie
Wii-U launch titles:
Assassin's Creed III
Batman: Arkham City — Armored Edition
Call of Duty: Black Ops II
Darksiders II
Epic Mickey 2
Sports Connection
FIFA 13
Funky Barn
Game Party Champions
Just Dance 4
New Super Mario Bros. U
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge
Nintendo Land
Rabbids Land
Scribblenauts Unlimited
Sing Party
Skylanders Giants
Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed
Tekken Tag Tournament 2: Wii U Edition
Transformers: Prime – The Game
Warriors Orochi 3
Your Shape: Fitness Evolved 2013
ZombiU
Nintendo did try but obviously it didn't work.
About better Wii-U versions, analysts are who say it. Besides the 'inventory management", gamepad add to those games: 1 more player for cooperative Rayman, hacking system and other puzzles for Deus Ex Human Revolution, and asymetric multiplayer mode for Zombi U.
If exclusive games is the reason to keep you playing Xbox-360 or PS3 games, then Wii-U is more relevant than Xbox One or PS4. I already can play most of One or PS4 catalogue in my computer and with better specs. Can you say the same about Wii-U catalogue?
Well, anyways you are happy enjoying your PS4 and I'm happy enjoying my Wii-U. So I don't even know why are you whining here...
About the rest, everything else you mention was subjetive. So once again, just a matter of tastes we don't share
And please show me where you read Nintendo is a bigger company than Sony.
I get a little confused when I hear things like this, as I've played games all of my life, and have lost all interest in ever getting a playstation or xbox. It's come to the point to where I've played so many different games and types of games that I've learned what I really like, and it's not these multitude of games out there with deep stories, and life-like situations in real world locations. Gameplay is the only thing that matters, and it's why I can spend 1000s of hours playing a small handful of great games, rather than play 1000s of mediocre to halfway decent games.
People pull this all of the time with Nintendo about not putting out enough games, but would Blizzard receive the same complaints if they were to release a battle.net console? I think not. Super Mario Maker gets no credit, but, it's a game that never ends, with people across the globe creating amazing creative content constantly. More great levels than anyone could ever play, with the physics engine and styles of play perfected over a long period of time.
There doesn't need to be anything else, to me, as I've been wanting more 2d smb levels since 1987 or so; and now there's an endless supply of levels that improve with each update, and more costumes than I'm ever aware of.
Smash Bros. 4 is pretty great as well. I've never liked the games until this one came out, but maybe that's because they finally put in Little Mac, or that the online experience is really fun. Lag is an issue, but the game deals with it well by slowing everyone down evenly giving no one the advantage. That could be my problem because I'm always uploading things to my youtube channel Nintendo Thumb ( youtube.com/nintendothumb ) causing the bad connection. There's so many characters and modes to play in, but none of that matters because the actual game engine is incredibly fun once you understand how to use the controls for a specific character.
I still play Splatoon all of the time as well, and it's not because there's nothing to play, it's just a great game with it's own play style unlike anything else.
Still, Star Fox Zero, and Star Fox Guard just came out and like their other games, there's just nothing that plays like it.
Meanwhile, my PC can do any genre that's on PS4 or XB1
Wii U is garbage compared to Nintendo's past systems, including the original Wii. The only good thing to come out of it was Splatoon, and maybe Bayonetta 2. The rest was pretty uninspired, & some franchises were given awful entries (Starfox Zero, Mario Party 10)
Nintendo was at it's crazy experimental best during the Gamecube days. Its been pretty ordinary since....
@Castellon-games That list is laughable. Funky Barn? Your Shape? Just Dance 4? And how many of these games are ports? And how many of these games are superior versions on a mulitplatoform game. All I see is quantity, not a lot of quality.
Wii U's GamePad gameplay adds very little to a game. Not something worth the extra 100 you have to pay for the console if the pay off is a mode you'll never touch after your first play time.
"I already can play most of One or PS4 catalogue in my computer and with better specs. Can you say the same about Wii-U catalogue?" It's funny how everyone on this site, whenever they bring up the exclusives card, assumes that everyone has a 8th gen games ready PC or that everyone has all 3 consoles. What if you only had an Xbox 360 last gen? Games like Last of Us and God of War 3 will be new to you. What if you don't have a capable gaming PC? These multiplats matter to you. This moronic act of acting like multiplats don't exist on the PS4 or Xbox One is a dumb argument that should've never been a thing. These two consoles have more (quality) games and that's what matters.
And for Nintendo being bigger than Sony: http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/08/nintendo-valued-as-bigger-company-than-sony-4254425/
@readyletsgo
I'm already buying the console day one, but if they named it that it would just be one more excuse I could use to justify it haha!
@EngieBengie Are you still here? Good!
I wrote the whole release list and you only see the crap games LOL. Don't worry, I will remove the garbage for you so you read the rest:
Assassin's Creed III
Batman: Arkham City — Armored Edition
Call of Duty: Black Ops II
Darksiders II
FIFA 13
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge
Skylanders Giants
Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed
Tekken Tag Tournament 2: Wii U Edition
Transformers: Prime – The Game
Warriors Orochi 3
ZombiU
So yes, Nintendo already tried with a strong catalogue of third parties but obviously that didn't work. Did PS4 have more third party games or better ones at his launch?
About a gaming PC, it will cost less to update any PC than purchasing a power outdated PS4, which by the way is updating into PS4.5. Well, not really updating, you are required to purchase a new system...
For real true gamers, PC+Wii-U is the perfect combination. I'm able to play your Dark Souls III, GTAV, The Witcher III, or any other third party gem without missing the Wii-U fresh exclusives. Most people is into smartphone playing and it doesn't mean that's the best way to play LOL
About Sony and Nintendo, so you have been a couple of days searching to prove you are right and you ended with a 2 year old post about Nintendo value at China market release day. Congratulations!
It was not so hard to find:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo
Right column, start to read from "revenue".
Or just take a look to the operating stock market price:
http://www.google.com/finance?cid=33095
http://www.google.com/finance?cid=685139
Nintendo's third party catalogue would've been even bigger had they had a more powerful console, hence why Metro Last Light didn't come out on it despite being on the 2011 third party reel video for the Wii U.
The perfect combo for real gamers is to have every system. You can't just act like PlayStation has nothing interesting to offer in terms of exclusivity. Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, Bloodbourne, The Last Guardian are shining gems.
Regarding the source, I have to apologize for it being outdated.
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