Unless you've been hiding behind a tumbleweed, you've probably noticed that the Gunman Clive HD Collection is now on the Wii U eShop. In our review we awarded it a gunslinging 9/10 and said buying it is an absolute no-brainer. For the low price of entry, you are getting HD versions of not one, but two of the most impeccably-crafted action platformers of the last decade.
The talented solo Swedish developer Bertil Hörberg has been keen to promote the release on Twitter recently, and this tweet might get a few tongues wagging:
This is the ending sequence from Gunman Clive when playing as Chieftain Bob, a character previously only playable in Gunman Clive 2. We'd like to say we support Bob and Clive in their romantic encounter - it's a free country even in the Wild West.
Given the furore the lack of same-sex marriage possibilities in Tomodachi Life, it's refreshing to see Nintendo's lotcheck department allow scenes like this to make it to the Wii U eShop. Let us know if you've been enjoying the original Gunman Clive playing as Chieftain Bob with a comment below.
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"Heroines HATE Him! Hero Saves Endangered Man with this ONE Simple Trick!"
Haha, brilliant
@AlexOlney Awesome. Only thing missing is some totally unidentifiable picture of something disgusting-looking.
Um, how in the world does this end up tying in to the story?
@EverythingAmiibo It doesn't.
What kind of self-respecting man cocks his leg like that?
@EverythingAmiibo It's called "a bit of fun".
@Damo It's called "really forced preaching". It's not like it's story based, so it doesn't matter too much, but it's such a transparent addition when you even tweet about it for some free press...
I was gonna pick this up at some point...
Definitely now!
So this kissing scene is on the HD version only correct? I'm glad it'll save me 4€.
Oh look, same sex kissing in a game creates a media surge.
Rabble rabble rabble (I'm annoyed) he shouldn't force these things in what he created and is allowed to do with as he pleases, rabble rabble rabble (still annoyed) even if it doesn't effect the core game in the slightest.
Being honest a part of him probably trying to get a reaction out of a certain section of the gaming community, good thing I don't care in the slightest as long as the game interests me.
Whaaat? Two men kissing each other in the XXI century.
This is unacceptable
http://img09.deviantart.net/2a4d/i/2014/081/8/f/unacceptable_lemongrab_and_agnes_by_dodomir23-d7b9lrh.jpg
I'm going to restrain from stating my opinion before I lose my account... But I will say I find it unfair that if you have a differing view on this particular subject, you can't give your rebuttal because you'll be seen as "hateful/judgemental" and you'll get banned from whatever forum you're using.
This is awesome.
Also, a thank you to all the NintendoLife community members that have shared their dislike of this. It helps identify the hateful people on this site.
Haha, wow wasn't expecting that! I may have to get Gunman Clive 2 now.
Oh my gosh, just...
Look, apparently this is becoming the norm nowadays, as much as I hate to admit it and as much as I disagree with it, so can you please stop reporting on it every stinking time a video game does it?! All it does is create controversy in the comments, and it gives a game news coverage that it didn't do anything to earn. I feel like a lot of devs do it now just for easy publicity, because they know if they do it, a bajillion news sites will report on it. Even though, like, it's basically absolutely not new at all and we've already seen it a billion times now.
Cute.
@Dezzy
A man in love.
@SquirrelNuts Disagreement does not equal hate. I love my family. Do I always agree with them? No, but I surely don't hate them or any other person for that matter. The freedom to state your opinion goes both ways. Just saying
I wasn't going to buy this since i have them both on 3DS, but after seeing some people here being openly against homosexuality i might do it just buy it to support more things like this.
@EverythingAmiibo
Agree, totally forced.
Reminds me of that Sid Vicious 'Cowboys' T shirt. And it's good to see cowboys and natives getting along after all those old John Wayne films.
Was consider ivy pick in this up while back. I don't think I will ever be getting it any more. I really don't need sexual agendas placed to my games, I would have been happy if it had just stuck with action and stuff like that.
Okay, think I'm gonna stay the Hell out of this comment section, because I'm already seeing some comments that aren't exactly something I'd like to see.
Yay! Bonus footage in an HD remake. It's good to have even little touches added when a game gets a re-release. Sort of the opposite of the 25th anniversary release of Super Mario All Stars. Reminds me a bit of the Samus in a bikini at the end of Metroid only less shameless and sexist.
@mystman12 I think drinking poison and being homosexual are a touch different, though.
@Not_Soos
I totally agree with Not_Soos.
I do not see how this is 'refreshing'
@mystman12 why do you think it's sinful to love someone of the same sex?
Good for Clive. Bob is a total hottie.
Woop Woop! This makes me happy! I loved the game anyway but I'm definitely gonna pick it up now! And to all the people hating just pretend its a "Big Ol' Straight Masculine Kiss™" and they're "Just Friends".
But in all seriousness if your not going to buy a game because of one kiss I really do question your sanity- I mean I could kinda understand if they were doing anal, but a kiss... come on!
@technotaylor98 My thoughts exactly. This is is so horrifying...
Disgusting!!!
Charging that much for some copy/ paste HD remake.
Is there a construction worker, biker, and soldier in the game as well?
Good on them for sexual diversity and all, not entirely sure if it'll sell more, less, or make no difference either way.
@GTWarrior77 THANK YOU. Unfortunately the unpopular opinion is always bigotry nowadays...
@technotaylor98 Dude, don't disregard the entire game because of this. It's not the main plot point or anything (The game practically doesn't even have a plot) and it's totally avoidable. Yes, it's wrong, but a lot of games have a little bit of sinful content that you should be able to see as wrong and just ignore. Of course, if there was an oversaturation of it, or if it was a big part of the game, that would be different, but as it stands this is just a dumb quick addition you can easily avoid. Plus, I don't think it's in the 3DS version. (Don't take my word on that though)
Huh I don't get it? Oh Gunman Clive is "out"
Did the developer simply decide not the change the animation of the ending sequence in the first game's HD remake with Chieftain Bob just for the sake of a tongue-in-cheek (pun not intended) sort of humour?
It's literally a bit of fun, as far as I'm concerned... made me laugh. Does it make either character a homosexual? Haven't a clue, couldn't care less. I was probably gonna get this anyway, now I'm pretty sure I definitely will. I have no idea why but that made me smile and I'll download this evening. I'll also be sharing this article, so job done to this guy
@rob955 Why not? The game features an ending with a man kissing a woman. Now it features an ending with a man kissing a man, too. Welcome to the 21st century.
Isn't shooting people a sin?
I agree with ya @NoT_Soos. I just hope this whole thing doesn't start an argument on here. I wish I could see more game related stuff without this having to come up really. I doubt anyone is actually going to change anyone's minds on the subject anyway.
As I typed that a totally uncalled for comment pops up above mine. Seriously? How is that even ok??
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS.
I applaud all the decent human beings in this room, cheers. a little bit of boy kissing never hurt anyone, hell a lot of boy kissing never hurt anyone. BOY Kisses for anyone who wants, and none for those who don't, see how easy that was
Can we seriously disable the comments here? I'm done after this one myself, but everyone obviously can't handle speaking to each other.like adults. I've loved this site over the years but I'm about done with it myself with as often as this garbage comes up.
Oh my god, there are SOME COMMENTS in here. Ugh, I'm going back to bed.
@invictus4000 And you know this how?
@mystman12 Yep...
@invictus4000 Yeah, that's what I said! It didn't seem like I said I hated people did it? Because I certainly don't hate anyone and I don't want to cause any confusion on that!
It's as though they purposely did this article for this reaction. Did they think otherwise would happen? Most know where I stand and it's an argument I choose not to get into again as it's tiring to say the least.
Im confused. Was this in, or even hinted at in gunman clive 1/2, or was it just randomly pasted in here because controversy? If it was in the original then I wouldn't care very much.
Haha, nice header
@LilC There's a kissing scene at the end of the original. If you play as Clive you rescue the girl (can't remember her name), if you play as the girl you rescue Clive. I guess if you play as Bob you rescue Clive, and the developer just left the animation as is.
@9th_Sage I'll keep fighting the good fight
@mystman12 Thanks for putting that well, I can't agree more.
@SquirrelNuts
I'd like to believe, in fact I do believe that there are plenty of religious non-bigots. It sucks that a few intense people give a bad name to all.
@RainbowGazelle Meh. I'll probably still be buying it anyway tho, not much of a big deal.
Oh and I already bought the game, not enough gayness yet though.
That's pretty funny if you ask me, I don't really see anything wrong with two guys kissing in a video game for the fun of it.
@invictus4000 Uh, even though I'm gay I could still have children with a woman. Not being able to reproduce with the people I love doesn't make me infertile.
Besides, there's this thing called adoption? And all in all adopting a child is better for society at whole than making one, there's no shortage of children in the world.
But yeah, I'm sure that nations will be destroyed because there's more love and less hate in the world, that makes sense. And considering all the horrible things happening in the world, I really doubt that if whatever god you believe in gets off his lazy bum and starts doing anything that it will be smiting nations for their lack of persecution. He's been pretty absent when it comes to destroying cities and nations these last 2000 years. 😊
@DiscoGentleman sure changed that.
Nintendo Life, your comments sections are frequently terrible. This is something you might want to address at some point.
Well this was always more likely than Peach and Mario kissing.
This is awesome Love the scene and how he lifts the leg, nice detail
Plus it's going to annoy the hell out of people that still think fantasy characters are real and that good things will happen if you waste time mumbling stuff to them, and that is always fun!
@ricklongo Please don't use that as your logic, just as Christians shouldn't be using Levitical law as their justification. A Christians' foundation for their stance starts with a believe that since God is the Creator, He alone has the right to set the boundaries and rules for His creation. This is further given emphasis when Christ is teaching on divorce states, "But from the beginning of creation he made them male and female. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother, and the two will become one flesh." Then Paul, as the Apostle to the Gentiles (everyone not Jewish), further emphasizes the point in his letters to multiple churches. So the foundation of a Christians' believe on human sexuality (not just homosexuality because to a christian pre-martial sex, extra-martial sex, and lust are all sins that break the standard) is not dependent on Leviticus.
As for the game, it is the creators' right to do with their creation as they wish. As I said, this concept is one of the foundations my faith is founded on. Unless the creator clarifies, I cannot really even comment on if this was to make a statement, shock, or something else. I probably will be more disappointed if it was done just for nothing but the shock of it, because then it is just there to prey upon people's feelings on the subject for attention.
As a regular reader of this site I have to say I'm disappointed with some of my fellow users.
People have as much choice in sexuality as they do their handedness.
Yet we all have a choice in how we treat other people, regardless of their differences to you. And it is in this choice that many users on this site have let themselves down today.
Dat clickbait title... anyway, yeah, unexpected indeed.
While stuff like this may seem a little pandering at times, I think it's really important to depict gay love just as much as straight love. It might seem gimmicky now but the goal is to normalize it by getting people used to seeing it.
@Kalmaro Every ending has a kiss scene. It would be odd if Bob was left out, stop being a baby about it.
@mystman12
this article is about the promotion of the game, not to boys kissing
""Aren't you guys all about "equality"? What makes homosexuality so much more special than classic marriage in your eyes other than the fact that it's being widely accepted for the first time in years?""
the classic argument have straight people ever had to fight for human rights?
have men ever had to fight for equal rights as women?
have white people ever had to fight to be freed of slavery?
There is this thing call privilege, and status quo, when things are habitually hetero, masculine & white, there is no reason to specially talk about it, to make a parade about it, because they already have their rights, everyone else has had to fight for them, thus articles being written.
Why make a big deal about it? because people like you still do, until people like you can just accept people for who they are, and the rights they demand in order to even have the semblance of equality, until that happens, you will always hear about things that might make you "uncomfortable", but hey guess what, you don't have to kiss/marry someone of the same sex, but you shouldn't stand in the way of those who do want to.
What's all the fuss about?
The cynic in me does see this as a bit of a stunt for some free publicity, but the game is still a good so it shouldn't really affect anyones enjoyment of it. I own them both on 3ds and purchased the wii u version yesterday and it's just as good if not better. It would be quite a close minded decision to allow this to stop you buying the game
@Zombo actually it would have been fine without it.
Better yet, why do we even need kiss scenes? They certainly are not why I play a game.
Probably time to close the comment section, pretty sure this site has had them closed from the off in previous ones (FE etc)... We all know this ends badly and no one will change anyone's mind; NL is clearly not the place for this 'debate'.
Yeah, Clive the man lol @ people justifying hate because Jesus. Sorry guys, just can't but be a bit offensive. It's 2015 for crying out loud.
@Kalmaro
Story telling bro. Shit be romantic as hell yo.
I am going to try my hardest to stay rational amongst many, dumb and clearly clueless fools on this site. The change I have seen Nintendo Life in the last 5 years or so is, staggering. The click bait articles, the dumber and angrier the comments get....my God. So first and foremost:
To all, my apologizes for the "Chirstian" ignorance from (mostly) my fellow countrymen. Secondly:
This is just a little tiny detail in a much greater game!!!!!!! Clive kisses the girl in the end, it's just meant to be a funny little tease, because Clive is the one kidnapped if you play as any other character!!!!!! It's meant to be tongue-in-cheek! And lastly:
I am just stunned by the stupidity, of so many!!!!!!!!! If there is one I have learned as a (semi-practicing) Catholic is the one commandment Jesus left his followers "Love thy neighbor as I have loved thee"!!
Homosexuality wasn't even A WORD until the 1890's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was added to the bible as the LGBTQ community began to appear more and more in the 50's!!!!!!!!!!!!! (And that is just in the modern sense, Greeks and Roman's are known to have openly gay men and women!!!!!!!!!)
Nintendo Life, I am disappointed in the ways this site has changed for the worse. Click bait, angry and clear stupidity and hatred. Oh how I miss the days this site was smaller.....
Why must Nintendolife post articles that they know will start debates and cause arguments I don't think it used to be like this?
@SquirrelNuts I think it's kinda sad when you have to throw in romance into an action game just to try to get more notice. I just want to shoot stuff!
@Kalmaro
That comment speaks volumes.
This comments section is embarrassing. It's just a kiss.
NintendoLife must be in need of clicks to run this.
@SquirrelNuts at the end of the day, I just want something simple and eat to play. Is usually why I'm messing around with smash bros and hopefull. SSoon, Mario maker
Oh man as a gay dude this just kills me that there are so many shallow, horrible jerks on this thread. I hope the moderator amusingly edits the comments as usual to reflect a more educated mindset.
To those who posted anything bigoted, I reported your comments. Unfortunately, it's the least I can do. I hope one day you get an idea and some context about life, humanity, human kindness, whatever.
I'm honestly flabbergasted.
@Kalmaro
True about the bible. It's pretty clear on same-sex relationships. Not being christian myself, I can thankfully stay clear of the conflicts between the bible and modern, progressive society, and go on what seems right.
Regarding romance in action games, sure. But did you complain about Clive kissing the girl at the end, before?
I feel like this is all one big troll, NL KNOWS that posting a topic like this will get people upset/fighting in the comments instead of talking about the PR stunt for attention, clearly the ending is there to gain attenetion which everyone is willing to show and be upset over
@mystman12 I Respect You For Stating An Unpopular opinion among many who disagree. While I won't comment myself on the topic it would be best to talk about this somewhere... not over a €4 game :/
This is hilarious, the comments that is!
I don't blame Clive for falling for Chieftain Bob; he's got a strong bod and a long rod!
CUTE!! and @Rexx I know man its pretty terrifying how many bigoted jerks are in this community, i'm quite surprised actually. Us gay dudes and dudettes need to stick together.
@hiptanaka I don't own the game, but I know if I did I probably wouldn't have done more than roll my eyes or comment on how cheesy it was, at the worst.
Like I was saying in another comment though, I can count on one hand how many games I ever played where romance interested me. One being the latest fire emblem game that came out for us since I wanted certain children with certain stats and such.
@hiptanaka I don't own the game, but I know if I did I probably wouldn't have done more than roll my eyes or comment on how cheesy it was, at the worst.
Like I was saying in another comment though, I can count on one hand how many games I ever played where romance interested me. One being the latest fire emblem game that came out for us since I wanted certain children with certain stats and such.
@hiptanaka I don't own the game, but I know if I did I probably wouldn't have done more than roll my eyes or comment on how cheesy it was, at the worst.
Like I was saying in another comment though, I can count on one hand how many games I ever played where romance interested me. One being the latest fire emblem game that came out for us since I wanted certain children with certain stats and such.
Who would have thought a port of an older game could generate 125 comments in 4 hours.
@DiscoGentleman One think we can all agree on is that Arrested Development is the best comedy of all time.
Aside from Season 4. Maybe.
@Xilef agreed.
I agree. Romance rarely works in games. In Gunman Clive, I doubt it's even meant to be a romance story that "works", though. He's just reusing a trope from basically every other game: rescue the girl. This time, he apparently put a twist on it. No problems there, in my opinion.
On the topic of the game itself, I liked the first one, but it felt a little too basic to really stand out, imo. Are there more interesting mechanics and things in the sequel?
I was going to get this but not now.
@JakeOfAllTrades
Morals change all the time, and for good reason. A while back, women couldn't vote. Further back, Africans weren't considered people.
@squirrelnuts
Wow first thing I noticed is you changed that pic real quick. But you only agreed with the other guys comment so sorry for saying you posted stuff. That pic was total arse though.
@hiptanaka
That wasn't moral, that was legal stuff. When you enable people to "identify" as anything, it makes us lose truth in humanity.
Haha I did notice that Clive was the damsel in distress when playing as the chief.
Anyway, ugh seriously? Let's not ruin yet another article. Please.
Oh no! Homosexuality in the media? If kids see stuff like this, they might grow up to be tolerant!
@Rexx
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anything hateful. I was assuming you flagged everyone who said homosexuality was wrong. My apologies if I was mistaken.
Honestly, it probably was a mistake for NL to report on this. I'd say, let people buy the game, play it, and be surprised at what they see at the end. Unfortunately now that people know it's in the game, they won't buy it (though the opposite is also true)
If you play through the game and like it, but this ending is enough to tarnish your experience of the game, then you really have some serious issues. That's all I'm gonna say.
@TrueWiiMaster
You think anything other than opposite-sex attraction is wrong?
Congrats dev on turning something everyone could enjoy (gays, non-gays, everyone in between) into something political and divisive.
@SquirrelNuts It's not hateful to have an opinion, but there does seem to be a lot of hatred coming from some toward those with an opinion. What's strange about this instance is that it is so out of place from the rest of the game, and that the developer himself has to draw media attention to it. I'm sure there are some that would object to a kiss between Princess Peach and Mario, and yet you wouldn't see Miyamoto sensationalizing his characters in the same way. It's just out of place and the developer is looking for a reaction on a topic that is very polarized with different groups of people.
Wow, 155 comments. I just want to know if it will be cross buy since I had it for the 3DS lol
@MeloMan nope
Here I am, trying to decide if I want the HD Collection for an extra playable character in the first game, or just get the sequel on 3DS, since I have the first one already, and then there's a bunch of bigots whose chances of ever enjoying the game are crushed by a single kiss.
@TrueWiiMaster
I hope nobody you know, or any future or current kids or whatever are gay, or bi, or otherwise anyway attracted. Literally everyone deserves better than that kind of shallow and dangerous thinking.
That is cute. Why are people up in arms about this? Doesn't take away from original game. If people boycotted every game made by a person with differing beliefs... no games would be bought ever because EVERYONE is different. Even when you are a part of the same ideology no one believes it the SAME way you do.
Edit: There is no such thing as a "sexual agenda". Otherwise anything sexual would fall into that label. Oh look peach kissed mario and baked him a cake! Nobody screams sexual agenda there...it is the same thing here. It is a kiss...period. Not a political statement.
Ok, I have deleted a good bunch of comments. From both sides of the discussion.
If it comes up again, we'll have to close the comments for this article or ban some people. So please, manage yourselves.
@MeloMan
No, but it is only 4 bucks. Plus the first one now has level select once you beat a level besides the extra character.
@Morpheel
Serious question, did I slip up and put a curse in my post that was deleted?
@SetupDisk maybe? I can't remember, but I did delete some posts with swear words in them.
@Boerewors umm what? the SD versions cost $2 ea... $4 is more than fair expecally since it has clives 2's 3rd char. also HD. Adding HD isn't free
@SetupDisk Didn't the first already have a level select after you beat it?
@Ryu_Niiyama
Actually, there are some people who would cry agenda if Peach baked Mario a cake...
@TrueWiiMaster Wouldn't that only be if she jumped out of it? LOL
But yeah short of us playing games where one is covered head to toe and doesn't move, somebody is going to think someone is out to get them. Who said humans were rational creatures again?
I've seen this kind of marketing before a couple times.
After Harry Potter was finished and all the fans bought the books, J.K. Rowling went ahead and announced that Dumbledore was homosexual despite nothing in the narrative pointing to that bit of extra characterization. So now, all the homosexuals and liberal thinkers will buy all the harry potter books on top of all the other fans who already bought them. Brilliant marketing.
In the final 2 seconds of the final scene of the Legend of Korra, the writers were like "lol, Korra is homosexual I guess" despite nothing in the narrative pointing to that bit of extra characterization. It added nothing to the narrative and was tacked on at the end because everybody who was going to buy/watch the Korra seasons did so already and they created an extra surge of fans in the homosexual community.
This is the exact same thing. It's a marketing strategy for sales.
I would also like to add this bit of wisdom:
"Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone's lifestyle you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don't have to compromise convictions to be compassionate." - Rick Warren
@GTWarrior77
Thank you.
This is awesome.
Also, so pathetic, people getting wound up about this. It's just a kiss, it's not like they're having sexual intercourse, right? I suppose Peach kissing Mario at the end of Mario 64 was also a terribly improper sexual scene which shouldn't have been put in the game. For shame.
@Uberchu
It was meant as a joke, albeit not a very good one, where people would first read 'disgusting' and assume I was talking bout the 2 men kissing. But before they went off to write a political correct reply where they would call me a homophobe, they'd read I was just joking because I pretended to be talking bout the price of the game.
Unfortunately people don't get offended these days when narrow minded people bash gays, but they do when someone calls a game they like too expensive
Lol! Love it!
You can dslike something and not be a "hater" I personally see it morally wrong since we weren't design for same sex (2 plugs = no electricity, 2 outlets = nothing to power) Now, I am still getting this game because I can ignore this little scene.
@Uberchu
I think after you beat it but I had to quit after I only got so far(not beating the game) and the level select was there. Maybe I am remembering it wrong from the 3DS though.
@Aurumonado btw Korra is bi, also J.K Rowling didn't just 'make' Dumbledore gay once the books had finished, she'd written him as gay the whole time
That is I could select the levels I had beaten.
@FriedSquid It wasn't NintendoLife that found this in the game, but the developer himself who Tweeted it to the world.
The biggest SIN would be if you didn't buy this game
it's clear that NL is doing a cleanup of the comments section, sorry to make you guys work overtime! I love that you posted this tho!!
@Thecoolmana777 See the marketing worked on you. Despite zero evidence, you actually believe that it was written that way since the beginning.
@Meaty-cheeky Agreed.
I honestly can't tell whether this was meant to be a Marketing Ploy, a Forced Message or a "LOL Random!" moment.
Oh well, if the creator wanted to set off a Drama Landmine he sure got it.
Got to see the best and the worst of both sides here today.
Gunman Clive's gay? Love it xD
@C-Olimar
He kisses the girl, the girl kisses him, and he kisses the dude. I think he is Bi. Which is still awesome.
@Aurumonado Korra and Asami are bi. Not sure what "evidence" you are looking for. A character could have absolutely no sexual contact (which includes kissing ) and that doesn't subvert their sexuality. A nun or a priest doesn't become asexual just because they are celibate. Neither is a person automatically heterosexual just because you don't see them shoving their tongue down the throat of someone of the same gender.
Still the best deal in the Eshop! Way to go Bertil Horberg. I hope you sell over a million copies of your game thank you for porting it.
I'm not gay myself, but I feel sorry for you if you don't want to buy a game because of a single gay kissing scene. Like, seriously, if that makes the game trash to you, then you need help.
@JakeOfAllTrades Except much of that "legal stuff" stood or was put in place because those in power felt it was their moral obligation do so. I take it you have never heard someone tell you that "god didn't want the races to mix" before.
ON TOPIC: Anyway the game is a good platforming shooter. Please support this very talented dev... a small kissing scene doesn't take away from the rest of the game.
@Rexx
(I hope the moderator amusingly edits the comments as usual to reflect a more educated mindset)
^intolerant censorship has no place in a public forum
I shipped it!
Holy hell, this comment section lmao
As a Christian, I'm not in support of lgbt. My beliefs, & lifestyle are mine, & theirs' are theirs'. Disagreeing w/ someone does not mean attacking them. & when ppl attack others, it only constitutes a good chance for someone, or a group of ppl, returning the blow. & the back-&-forth bit never ends.
As for the game, it's still a good game. I wanna say this was for humor, rather than forcing beliefs, or for shock, yet I'm willing to say it's humor, or publicity.
I would say if you want to double dip(you already own the game, or both), or you have never played it before, it's a good Mega Man-esque game. When I heard it was coming to WU, I thought the same I did w/ Mighty Switch Force 2: "I own it already, but I may still get it for WU, just after other games I don't already own".
@SquirrelNuts Yeah I was gonna edit, still awesome
After reading a few comments, I hope there's something gay in every video game released from now on. What you guys gonna play then? xD
OK, but I'm most concerned that Nintendolife would refer to these games as "two of the most impeccably crafted action platformers of the last decade.".
This site seems to attract a huge amount of users with archaic, regressive views for some reason. Or perhaps as a Brit I'm just not accustomed to the level of homophobia present in 'Murrica, idk.
wonderful! plus I didn't realize Bob was playable in 1 in this package. great!
@Ryu_Niiyama bisexuality is not exclusively homosexual obviously. But by definition bisexuality includes homosexuality. I didn't come here to argue semantics however - but I know what you mean. They made them both bisexual at the very end.
In this particular case I would point towards the fact that sexual attraction in the Avatar Universe is extremely obvious. Like extremely obvious in every way. Except in the KorraxAsami case, it was not evident at all. It just jumped out at the end. Which is why I think it was a marketing strategy like Harry Potter.
I'm glad I did not spend money on this nonsense
Shovel Knight did it first!
@Aurumonado
speaking as somebody who is hella bi, I've known people for years that I didn't realize were gay or in a gay relationship. sometimes it's really not that obvious unless somebody brings it up (and frankly if you're gonna go for the "they announced it afterwards for brownie points" I'd point out Dumbledore but that's not the point)
but if korra and asami weren't gay and having a subtle build up of familiarity and closeness over the years (as opposed to it just being a more elaborate Dumbledore), then
explain THIS
@Meaty-cheeky Well put.
I'm offended that people are offended by the offensive comment that was put forth by the open minded individual who is offended that the religious person is offended by the thing that is offensive to them.
So much hate in the comments lol. I do feel this article really has not given it the most positive of attention 0.o it's a bit silly them doing it Imo. A few people mentioned things like mass effect but in mass effect being gay/straight is completely up to the player. You don't have to see any kissing or sex scenes for either gender if you do not want to. Whereas putting it as an unavoidable part of the game is just going to cause needless headaches. I mean look what happened when sonic kissed a human in sonic 06. If that would of gone any further it's classed beastiality lmao but It really was stupidly unnecessarily. I prefer games to either have romance optional or none at all personally. People can't fight over it then!
This site seems to attract people with somewhat regressive opinions on sexuality for some reason
How do you explain Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church then? Are they disagreeing without attacking in your opinion?
@SquirrelNuts More people live in America's cities combined than its rural section combined.
I want off NintendoLife's Wild Ride.
Sorry... I couldn't care less about what 2 consenting make believe characters do with their pixelated genitalia.
@TheKingOfTown I think that's just the internet in general dude.
Nice profile pic btw.
@technotaylor98 Loser! Missing out on a couple of awesome platformers.
Sigh, it's always sad how many comments these sorts of articles get. Two guys kissing in one scene should be a non-issue by now. Regardless of whether Gunman Clive is gay or bi or straight, it doesn't matter to me.
@Rawk_Hawk OH NO TWO PEOPLE WHO DON'T EXIST KISSING AND NOTHING MORE SO BAD AHHH!! Grow up you big religious baby, this is a 3 second cut scene in an awesome platformer. But hey stupid people would never get this far in the game
You'really a digrace to the magnificent Rawk Hawk.
Yes I'm implying what you think I'm implying you whiny baby.
@technotaylor98
Agreed.
@Capt_N
I understand completely.
Nice clickbait article title, Nintendo Life!
I feel posting this as a news story was completely unessesary . I am losing more and more respect for Nintendo Life. It also bothers me when you said it's good after the controversy of Tomodachi Life that Nintendo allows this content.
How in the world is that a surprise. Nintendo follows their own rules. and if the ESRB deems content appropriate from a 3rd party then it can be on a Nintendo platform. Gone Home from my understanding had stronger homosexual themes and it was once coming to Wii U.
As a 31 year old Christian I've been trying to break my mental "programing" against same-sex relationships, so this content doesn't bother me. I think it was stupid to promote it on social media though as it would've been great for the ignorant out there to buy it and find this out later only to be pissed off with nothing they can do about it.
I strongly believe in equal rights for my fellow man. The problem I have with the whole same-sex thing is the feeling that a gay white man has more rights than a black man, gay or otherwise. This tends to be the case with both Hollywood and video games.
Sure Clive makes out with a Native American but I dare the developer to make the next game feature a black playable character. Yes, I am a bitter and envious man, I know.
@TheHunter On one hand, making news about stuff like this does help show, "Hey guys, this stuff is a thing and that's ok and normal." But at the same time, if something is considered "normal" it shouldn't really be deemed news worthy.
I do believe in diverse representation, be it love, race, gender, etc.
And if the goal is to "normalize" something, it should feel organic and casual. Having that scene in the game was a neutral to positive move. It's there and it is what it is. If that's what the dev wants to do, more power to him.
The moment a spotlight was shined on it, it became less neutral/normal, and more became a special case. That's not to say diversity shouldn't be celebrated, but I feel like how and when it's talked about can diminish how "normal" it really is.
EDIT: Can we get a 4-Player for GC3. Imagine the mayhem with four folks playing as Clive, Bob, that lady, and the duck all at the same time!
These comments are so dumb. From both sides.
I have nothing against this being in the game. Not too sure about the whole posting it to social media for cheap publicity thing, but it's their game so they can advertise however they like I guess.
End of the day though, I hated what I played of the original game so there's no way that I'd be buying it regardless of who kisses who.
I really don’t like that so many people here on Nintendo life are bashing Christians and people of faith because they don’t agree with homosexuality, because true Christians do not hate homosexuals. Christianity is a faith based off of love and we follow our lord and savior Jesus Christ. We try to walk in his footsteps because we are not perfect but we do our best to spread hope and love and peace around the globe. We share our faith to people to help give them hope in this world.
People have different opinions, people have different faiths and backgrounds, but I will not tolerate Christians being put down on this forum because of their beliefs. They have a right just like everyone else.
Lastly, I feel Mr.Bertil Horberg did this just to create a buzz for his game… sadly.
@technotaylor98 Same here!
@technotaylor98 Same here!
@CB85
Actually Peach was royalty. I'm offended that Mario isn't her brother/cousin, or is he? J/K don't be mad people.
@rob955 They are both natural and normal. Over 1000 diferent animals are homosexual. There is only one species with homophobic members, however.
Edit: Over 1000 diferent animals exhibit homosexual behaviors.
@amiiboacid Hardly. He has a right to his opinions and ideals just as everyone else does, especially considering he hasn't "demonized" anyone as of yet. I'm not saying I agree with him, but it's unfair to try to take away their right to express their belief and opinion on a subject just because we disagree with it
Anyways I'm curious, I've never heard of a 1000 different species of animals that are truely homosexual. Maybe some small instances or groups, such as insects or marine life, but even then, they would just be a very small minority. In the end, I would find them hardly comparable to humans?
Ewwwwwwwwwwwww! An interracial kiss? How could you, Bertil??
Wait, that's what everyone's upset about right?
Ha, some of these comments are just embarrassing.
All I can say is its a shame that people cant be entitled to their opinion without someone else getting all butt hurt over it.
@NorthLightSuplx I see more homophobes than people against Christianity here. And anyways, being Christian is a choice, being gay is not. And neither you or me or any Christian in the U.S. are being oppressed by anyone for being Christian.
Forced or not, that's freaking hilarious.
@amiiboacid @spikexd @NorthLightSuplx this is not the right site to discuss this.
So, please, let's stop.
@Morpheel Right-o.
@Morpheel
Sir with all due respect your boss said after tomodachilife fiasco last year that you would not allow comments for articles related to this topic.
Yet you have have done it twice and the last time you had to block the comments section for the Fire Emblem article.
If you do not want to allow free discussion then do not open up the comments to people with various beliefs.
@NorthLightSuplx By leaving the comments section open with moderation, the people who actually want to talk about the article can do it. Not that there's much to say about it.
If you or anyone else wishes to debate about religion and sexuality, feel free to do so in some other site. I'm sure you'll find one.
I knew Morpheel would be a good mod. Good work. I know it can be a major pain, especially days like this.
In regards to the comments, all I wish to add is that it's entirely possible to state your beliefs on something without criticizing anyone who believes otherwise. You can be against this scene being in the game all you want but for the love of Arceus at least be civil about it.
The only thing upsetting here is how much clickbait this is.
@Bass_X0: There are various denominations of Christianity. There are also, as have always been, people who claim to be Christian, or some other faith, as an excuse, or reason for their behavior, especially extreme behaviors, both good, & bad. This means you(not you personally, just the word "you" used in general reference to anyone) will have no problem coming across people, who are not whatever faith they say they are. The specific person, & group you mentioned I have never been following their actions, but last I knew they weren't practicing true Christianity, but instead hate. Lemme also say this, I don't agree, or support the lgbt choice. I believe it's a sin, & also a choice. (Now mind you, I don't believe I'm better than anyone else, 'cause I know I'm not) it's not an Christianity-VS.-LGBT, it's really that true Christianity simply doesn't agree w/ the lgbt lifestyle, or choice. At the same time, hypothetically, if there is a person of the lgbt lifestyle, & they're in need of food/clothing/money, or possibly dying, & need help, I'm certainly not going to deny 'em, if it's w/in my power to help. They're ppl. In my belief, I disagree w/ their lifestyle choice, so I don't support it, but I'm not out to actively get them. & one last thing, to answer you, I am not on this forum to knock, bash, or persuade anybody of any particular lifestyle choices to, or from certain choices. I'm not out to force, or persuade, & no one's going to persuade me from my beliefs, & choices. A good example of what I'm talking about is right here on NLife: there are, from time to time, openly gay guys commenting here, on various articles, & sometimes, I agree w/ them about whatever the topic of the article may be. Just because they're gay, I'm not automatically disagreeing w/ everything they say, & do.
Geez, so much homophobia in thecomments here. I wish every game had a gay scene in it so all y'all couldn't play any games
@Player4
You could argue that most games cater to a gay audience, specifically men. I mean, exactly how many females have you played as in video games lately?
To @BertilHrberg
I was raised with Christianity as my religion, and seeing this was unexpected, but, to put it in an all and all setting since i'm making this comment at 5 o'clock in the morning............This is swell that it was added in : 3
It's not like this particular moment in the game is gonna ruin the entire game for me, if it bugs you that much, then close your eyes when the scene happens, that's all you gotta do. Both games are some of the best platformers I've played, and I've played lot's of platformers (like Ristar of course!), so if you wanna miss out on these games for one particular moment, then that's fine, your opinion, won't argue with that. I'll probably check out the HD collection at some point, once I decide to take a break with the 3DS versions (also got other games I still need to finish, LOL), and when I do, the money that would've been used on a snack and drink that week........It'll go into the HD collection.
This is great as is the amazing hypocracy in so many comments. This character element is far less offensive than stuff like the smooch of victory at the end of Double Dragon or reward sex in many recent games - THAT is being forced upon you; this is just an ending you can skip.
It's so sad that people feel the need to spew out negativity, for something that is more natural and beautiful than so many other issues in this world (and games for that sake).
And if you feel this is forced on you (I have to laugh); Think about the people who have been forced to live their lives with something they are afraid to tell, because so many express their hate, condemnation and disgust towards it, in some cases ending in the most tragic of ways.
The creator even marketed it now, so you people here have a choice.
Take it, but why spread the hate?
Wa-wa-wait. People are upset about this? How? Why? It's just a little gag. No preaching, no gay-bashing, nothing forced. It's supposed to be silly and unexpected.
I thought we were making progress as a people. Apparently, progress is slow.
@Thecoolmana777
Sorry, just had to say, "That's hilarious."
Nice way to cut to the quick! Sanity is all relative, of course; personally, I (might) stop at the Cancerian position, but only if it was between people of differing races! Bwahahaha! Just kidding, miscegenation is awesome; and so is more visibility for marginalized groups, whether that be in print or via e-media.
People talk about freedom of speech and the press, etc...what's the point of having ideals to strive for if you aren't going to at least give an honest go of it?
I say...it's like, totally hard to, like, treat others the way Jesus would want, mmkai?
Well, that certainly went in a direction I had not anticipated...or had I?
In any case, I say try and treat (as best as possible) everyone (at least those not trying to murder you, etc.) like you would family. I often find once you strip down the layers of reality that supposedly defines who we are regarding the collective society the world is increasingly becoming: [SPOILER ALERT!] No man (or woman or /other) is an island; there is no such thing as living in a bubble.
Unless of course you live in the Mushroom Kingdom! XP
If you say love for your fellow person is your mandate; then by golly-gee-wilikers, you better mean it! Heeheehee!
@Benji_Nottz
Witty repartee, bwahaha! I'm dying over here! Thank you for that chuckle!
As has been mentioned before, one really good way of creating equality for all sexualities is not making a bug bloody stink about it all the time.
@Genesaur True, it is just a gag and I can see that. However, it couldn't come at much worse a time in US history. People are still reeling from the recent SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the US) decision which many see as an end-run around the constitution despite what the majority decision said. In fact, the two recent decisions on this issue are questionable at best as in one they supported state rights to get rid of the Defense of Marriage Act, then turned around denied state rights in this decision.
Many for gay rights are against this SCOTUS decision as well due to the fact that it removed the people from the process. They were already (slowly) winning over the legislatures to get favorable laws passed. However, this decision was akin to a battering ram and people who might have come around to their thinking one day have instead have firmed their opinions against them. And stories that constantly come up in the news about this or that person or company who has spoken out against gay marriage being bullied, fined, jailed, or forced to resign or close due to death threats and such (think Brandon Eich or the Indiana pizza shop owners who only SAID they wouldn't cater a gay union but were never actually asked to) don't help people turn to their cause either.
Well, in any event that is why what would ordinarily just be an ignorable gag akin to Loony Tunes' Bugs Bunny surprise kissing other male characters on several occasions instead became a heated discussion on LGBTQ and religious rights here.
@brandonbwii are you an olympic gymnastic? because that's an amazing reach
I fully support equal rights for all, and am completely in favour of gay marriage being legal everywhere. Just want to put that out there.
That being said, I honestly don't understand the need for this, the same as I dislike any fan fiction that portrays established heterosexual characters as gay. Would gay people be comfortable if there were suddenly a trend in fan fiction to try to portray established gay characters as straight, and then be told 'deal with it, stop being hateful and judgemental' if they voiced an opinion?
@ToxieDogg I don't really know the fanfic world, so maybe I'm way off base but I think the whole point is that there AREN'T gay characters anywhere ever. People make Shulk gay or whatever because there isn't a gay Shulk already.
And arguably it's hard to GET one because when there is a "new" gay character, people make a huge deal about it and threaten not to buy the thing. So creators will often just be like "okay, let's straight it up" to protect their bottom line. People against fanfic and totally random jokes like this Gunman Clive thing say "make your own characters!" but, like, that hardly ever works out if you want to make money off your thing.
(It can, of course; just...it makes sense to me why people would want gay Mario when the only gay Nintendo character otherwise is MAYBE Tingle).
But wait, is Chieftan Bob straight? I only know the first game and he isn't playable in that. If he is, then yeah okay this scene is like a bad Adam Sandler joke.
@Spoony_Tech I don't care one way or the other. Live and let live is my motto, but this article is clickbait and argument bait at its finest. :/
@Not_Soos Welcome to 2015, where the smallest thing will get you called a homophobe
@Player4 "You guys don't believe what I do, so you're obviously the ones messed up"
Isn't this what you make fun of "homophobes" about?
@myMaudlinCareer Aaaaah she touched her boob consciously and was completely on purpose!!!!1!!1
@ToxieDogg he added it due to guilt about the lack of diversity in his games. He is a gay dev.
Just read his Twitter messages- I stand corrected. It was not a Loony Tunes-esque gag. Okay then. While I will not reject a gay developer just because he's gay, I have now made a personal decision to not buy this HD collection. I may still get the 3DS Clive 2 though.
To rehash so all can understand (certain people need this)- this is my decision- I am not calling for a boycott, and I am certainly not calling for harm on this developer or anyone in the LGBTQ community. No hate, no death threats. Please respond in kind. Thank you.
@brandonbwii Huh, how's that related to my post? I guess you could say it was about lgbtq representation in media, including games. But I'm also for more female representation so
@spacejump yah lmao, i don't care about homophobes
Wish he included him on the 3DS version too, not only because that ending...
Wow, I can't believe the number of comments about a simple romance! All because the two people together just happen to be the same sex.
I do feel disappointed at the number of people who are commenting/objecting on here but claiming its NOT because they are homophobic or bigots or poorly educated. If you are objecting to two men together (or two women for that matter) you are one of the above!!!
Would you be posting onto here if it was a man & woman kissing? (The answer is 'no' btw).
No-one objects to any game featuring mass killings, or the devil, but two men who might be falling in love?.......ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!
@ToxieDogg There's a big difference in the opinions, though? Straight characters are common place, where we're basically forced to pick through hundreds of them to find a canonically gay character. Gay characters are already rare enough in media that fans basically have to look outside of canon to find any. Hell, we took the whole "a designer for the original metroid called Samus a transmisogynstic slur in an interview, so she's a trans girl now" as a canon backing. (I mean, she is anyway, but that's besides the point). To then take this incredibly small number and make them straight is way different than to take from basically a giant pile and say "yeah these are gay."
Even just speaking in terms of representation, if I can get personal for a second, I can't think of a canonically bi protagonist off the top of my head, outside of games where you're given direct control over an avatar as opposed to a concrete character (BioWare games and Fallout come to mind, but I think you get the picture). I've been playing games since I was a kid, and I've known I wasn't straight for a while. But I saw almost no representation of bi characters (outside of predatory or harmful stereotypes, or throwing them under the bus in a "they're just confused" way), and this messed with me a lot as a kid. Kids, laypeople, and just people who don't have the time, resources or energy to make video games are basically stuck with an endless hell of straight people, with occasionally some token gays.
I guess, to put this bluntly: it doesn't matter if this doesn't do anything for you. But this really isn't for you. To then turn around and go "there's too many of these things you have so few of" is honestly super insensitive and tone-deaf.
@myMaudlinCareer Didn't know the Samus thing! Just looked it up, though! Nice. Now for someone to admit that Little Mac was a transguy all along.
It's shocking how few canon bi characters there are in games, though.
@rob955 this comment should be banable. Looking at you mods
@Morpheel I think things are getting a bit out of hand again in the comments.
@Aromaiden Thanks for the tip.
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