With a roster as massive as that seen in Super Smash Bros., making sure each fighter is balanced can be a tricky business - hence the issues with Diddy Kong, which have recently been patched.
However, there are some Smash fans who feel that creator Masahiro Sakurai has deliberately tinkered with the power of certain characters - namely the ones operating in franchises he has had some personal involvement with - to make them more powerful than the rest of the cast.
Everyone loves a good conspiracy theory, but Sakurai has shot this one down in flames in his regular column in Famitsu:
With Smash Bros., every now and then someone will vent their misplaced anger towards me. They say that I 'prioritize the strength and playability' of characters that I've created.
First off, what merit is there for me to play favorites with characters I worked on? To bring up an example, two characters I have trouble with and can't use very well are Pit and Palutena. Therefore, for me, I feel that 'Pit and Palutena are weaker than the average character.' If I were to adjust them to fit myself, they would become even stronger – but as you may notice, I haven't.
Sakurai goes on to explain that while he is responsible for deciding the ultimate balance of the game, he has people helping him monitor things to ensure everything remains perfect. Naturally, some things do fall through the cracks - hence the aforementioned Diddy Kong fix - but that's to be expected with so many characters on offer.
[source kotaku.com]
Comments 68
I would beg to differ about Palutena, she's very much powerful... (Some would say OP!)
Wait, people actually thought he made kirby and pit more powerful because he made them? Kirby actually needed a buff, he was so bad in brawl
Dark Pit and Palutena are two of my main characters, so I wouldn't mind if they had extra buffs.
It must be so frustrating putting all that work into these games only to get reactions like he gets...
@Giygas_95 Thats why I hate people whp hate on the game for no reason just because their character didn't get in
@Giygas_95 Most people just ignore them because they mean and do nothing.
@whodatninja That's why he said "for him" and not in general
@Giygas_95 He aware the majority of the reactions are praise and appreciation, and has probably learned to pretty much ignore the vocal minority of whiners.
Even then, I still feel Pit and Palutena hold themselves up well in Smash 4. It's really like @Giygas_95 said, the guy already has enough stress trying to please the crowd and yet they still try to call him out on things?
At one point, I heard MetaKnight was crazy OP. Or was that in Brawl?
@MrPuzzlez That was in Brawl, he doesn't have that problem this time around.
"Tiers are for losers!"
Seriously, just enjoy the damn game. It's never going to be 100% balanced.
@whodatninja The only time Palutena was regarded as op was around the first month where every character was op, in reality she has plenty of holes.
@whodatninja She has the potential to be High Tier but no one has taken the courage to use her, hell the best Palutena I have seen (aside M2K) its myself.
I don't feel any adventages over the rest of the cast to be honest, only their survival chances are higher than most and that's because their abilities which are nothing new.
Palutena is possibly the worst character in the game without customs.
With customs, however, she becomes half-decent.
As a side note, none of the Kid Icarus or Kirby characters are OP in any way.
The only truly OP character is Shiek.
I honestly never thought they were OP. The only thing I questioned was the huge amount of items from Kid Icarus. As well as enemies in Smash Run being majority from Kid Icarus.
-people think Kirby is too powerful even though he's pretty bad. smh
I have trouble with Palutena too but I really like using Kirby and Pit. I wouldn't say they're "OP" though.
I always thought he kind of catered a bit more to his franchises, in a good way, nothing harmful or unfair so no use in complaining fans and more likely Smash competitors!
Palutena's laggy lagness could definitely use some buffs. Homegirl is "powerful," just not very effective. Also get rid of that Fox infinite. xoxo
@Maelstrom I think Shiek can be dealt with but Rosalina & Luma are probably the only I say is OP
@Hero-of-WiiU
I was referring to tournament matchups. Sheik has an unpunishable recovery, camping options, great air game, great ground game etc. She basically obliterates anyone who has not trained specifically to battle her. Not to mention her entire moveset is near lagless. Rosaluma has some spectacular matchups against any sort of close range characters, but loses to Sheik.
Title seems so wrong. Sakurai probably did deliberately make Kirby more powerful [than he was in Brawl], because Kirby (both literally and figuratively) sucked in Brawl.
I used to be a Kirkby main back in my Brawl days. To be honest, the transition from then to now has made me think Kirby got weaker in some areas. So no way is there any basis to this rumor.
Remember folks; The hammer may kill but it won't without skill.
@Monado_III I'm a Kirby mainer. He's not too powerful, but he's not bad at all. I've owned hundreds of players online with Kirby.
And yes, I've been owned quite a couple of times myself... XD
Huh. I never even noticed,to be honest.
Palutena is just not great without customs (no good approach, just terrible neutral game in general). Pit and Dark Pit are just above mid tier, same as kirby. @Rydas Kirby is a LOT better in ssb4 than in brawl.
Nobody has ever accused Sakurai of making Kirby OP since 64. You're addressing a complaint that nobody made and calling out accusers for a conspiracy they didn't make.
If anything, I think bias is in the game mechanics. Palutena was intentionally given the slowest, most defensive moves out of all her customs because that's the kind of game Sakurai believes Smash should be. He doesn't want the game to be fast paced and offense focused like Melee.
Yeah, but who gets included in the game is based on his favortism. A franchise that has 3 games shouldn't have four characters in Smash Bros. Palutena and Dark Pit's slot could have gone to some more deserving, unrepresented nintendo franchises.
So why oh why did you give Samus a low tier one of the worst jabs and one of the worst rolls in the game Sakurai? Come on and whats next he's going to talk about why he put in Dark Pit?
I use Kirby a whole lot, he's one of my mains. But he is far from overpowered. He's mid-tier at best. Who in the world accuses Kirby being OP....? Pit/Dark pit gets ranked about the same as Kirby I believe. And Palutena is usually pretty low. Meta Knight in Brawl and Kirby in 64 are the only times Sakurai has ever accidentally made one of his characters OP- and for just as many times, he's made his characters near dead bottom (Kirby in Melee...). I have no idea where complainers are getting this accusation, nor have I heard anybody say that. There are many complainers about how much Kid Icarus content he put in Smash 4... that's about all I've seen.
@AugustusOxy but kid Icarus doesn't have four characters and Dark Pit probably took no time to get in. I doubt he took anyone's slot, we would just have one less character.
@AugustusOxy Gee, would people like you stop acting like Dark Pit took up some "slot"!? Lucina and Dr. Mario too. The Smash roster is NOT a game of musical chairs. There are no "slots". Dark Pit was put in because he was a clone that took almost zero effort and development time to make- fully new fighters take ages to make, and a clone that takes a small amount of altering to make does not keep a fighter that would take several months to program, balance, and bug-fix from being in. About the only thing you can argue about clones is that they could go to a more deserving clone that is still nearly identical and would take the same very low amount of time. Thinking Palutena could go to a more deserving spot is fair but is still just an opinion- a ton of people wanted her in and expected her, so Sakurai is not at all alone in wanting her in.
That's not a very sound theory. The feeling that certain characters are simply better than others is not limited to Sakurai's creations.
Ppl complain about everything now a days, I blame ppl having a voice on the internet without showing there face, cause no one likes a punch to the face lol
@TheAceofMystery You would despise my friend Damien, he used to go on legit rants ending in depression on his end about how Smash Bros. ignores more obscure characters and only chooses popular characters/fan favorites. He would like seriously talk about how he hates Sakurai and Nintendo for it. His reaction to Gardevoir being a pokeball again was just.. shudders
I'm so sick of all the crap people give Sakurai sometimes. Honestly, that man can never get a break, even from some so called "fans".
We're lucky Sakurai even came back to make another Smash. I wouldn't blame him or be upset if he decided to never touch this franchise again. He wants to move on to different projects, but he's an unfortunate victim of his own success.
People complain about anything and everything. I'd like to meet the person who can make a game with 54 fighters perfectly balanced.
So I'm guessing if Sakurai have a Q&A and someone ask him who's your favorite character, it would be all/none of the fighters since picking any will add fuel to the fire.
wait, people SERIOUSLY taught that? i thought it was a joke! personally, i main palutena, she has many weak points, but i got used to her. i think smash bros. is one of those cases where you have a great series with a poopydooty fan base (best examples being on this very site) i'm just hoping the same won't happen to splatoon, that seems to have a good community atm.
I think the overly hardcore section gets a bit too wound up about this sort if stuff. I've played the series since the first was released, and never though this to be much if an issue personally. I did notice however that while Mario was featured in the spotlight alot of the time (which is well deserved) when it comes to openings and cut scenes for example, it seems like Kirby is the runner up to that. Even in the Subspace Emissary and certain characters that ended up playing probably the two most heroic roles (trying not to put a spoiler here so sorry for not digging in that more). I don't care really, it just seems some other characters such as Link and Pikachu (even though I've never been a big Pokemon fan) could be seen as a bit more deserving to be there. Just a small off thing that may just be me. I'm a Kirby fan anyway.
True, except for the fact that Sakurai does seem to play favorites when making the roster. We could have used someone other than Dark Pit, but then again, it likely used less resources to make so I'm not overly mad.
What's really weird is that most of those angry people are those that worship "Fox only, no items, Final Destination"
@ultraraichu He's already been asked that and has said exactly that
And to those that choose the "top tier" characters over their favorites and having fun, just remember what Cranky Kong always says: Git Gud
Wow, Mr. Sakurai really takes these comments personally, doesn't he?
sure mr. sakurai suuuuuure
The thing is, a lot of players think they're undiscovered developers and that they know how to fix all the problems a game has.
I think Smash4U is probably the most balanced fighter out there.
Not even Street Fighter or Tekken come close.
However, I still can't get my head around Palutena. She's one fighter I struggle with, but frankly I didn't use her much. I quickly dismissed her as a slow moving character because I prefer the faster ones. A personal thing.
@SJND Palutena is homegirl?
@Nicolai Well, when so many cry "Sakurai bias!" you can see why he would/could.
To be fair, I honestly think Palutena /should/ be stronger. She's a flipping goddess!
@maukenboost, you could handle it differently. It would be more professional to either ignore the comments and not let it get to you (keeping in mind that many of his more hostile fans are younger than half his age), or find a way to respond without sounding overly defensive.
As the head of one of the world's most popular franchises, he strikes me as a little immature, and should be a bit more careful with his column.
Being a Greninja main, I get tired of "nerf Greninja" comments. He's been nerfed a lot already, and honestly you're not likely to win with him without skill and strategy. Makes me wonder if people that say that have even played Greninja or they just get whupped by him online a bunch because they don't know how to counter him. Same with Kirby. But really, like I said on Miiverse, instead of complaining about OP characters just figure out a way to beat them. I mean I get irritated by Sonic players that just keep spamming that homing attack (which they can do a lot of chain damage with), but I'm not calling for a Sonic nerf...I just need to figure some way of countering them. As for characters like Little Mac? I just use aerial attacks a lot. Monado Jump is especially helpful for that.
Oh and as others have said...just enjoy the darn game!
@Hitokage Sounds like the type that would suddenly be Sakurai's and Nintendo's best buddy if they just added Gardevoir...
@Nicolai True, but I think if I put the amount of work into a game that he did and got these kinds of reactions I'd be a bit ticked off too.
On another note, his comments about Pit and Palutena make me wonder...what characters does he like to play?
Pit's the character I'm best at, but I don't think he's overpowered. Instead, he just suits my play style. I'm terrible with Palutena though.
@TeeJay Really? I'm surprised even with that, people will still think otherwise. Then again I should know by now not to be surprised about people reactions on the internet.
Pit has very few kill moves, and his super annoying spin attack got removed, so was gliding, and his insane recovery got nerfed, so to say he's OP and that Sakurai made him more powerful is ridiculous.
As for Palutena, I thought she was OP when I first saw her being played on a twitch stream (insane range, huge up smash, a counter and reflector) but when you actually play her yourself, you quickly realize that it requires a lot of skill to play and master. If you don't have that, you can get schooled by pretty much anybody.
If anybody is to be considered "cheap" it's Rosalina. She has a mobile shield that does as much damage as a normal character, with fantastic knock back. Whenever I play her against my friends, I find myself holding back and usually still end up winning.
Why isn't he allowed to be proud of his achievements? Kirby/Pit/Dark Pit/Palutena are friggin incredible. Uprising and Smash are masterpieces and school be in a gaming museum already.
@blujay1524 Oh so that is why my friend always picks Rosalina! Like a damn tank! I don't care about top-tier characters and stat nonsense, I just pick the ones I like. Greninja, Toon Link, Mega Man and Duck Hunt Duo are just too adorable not to use.
Kirby being OP? Sounds like people are salty about being Jump-Suck-Kirbycided in casual matches.
He's been awful competitively since Melee. I'm just glad my spirit animal Captain Falcon again has the power to show you his moves. Seeing him reduced to a punching bag in Brawl made me cry manly tears.
There is a truly overpowered character every once in a blue moon, but on casual play, so much is up to personal preference. In Brawl, Kirby's air attacks and jumps made him a good choice for non-tournament players like you and me. Same with Pit- long recovery, great side b. Both characters could be punished and beaten once your opponent learned the mechanics a bit more. Pit's recovery could be hit by pretty much anything and Kirby's down b left a huge grab window. In 4, I can't see how either character could be called overpowered. Either is beatable in casual level play.
I've seen people who main characters I think are the worst and are actually good as them. My little sister has trained a lot as Lucina and regularly wins in online and against me. Previous comments say they love playing as Palutena - I don't know the first thing about winning as her. Myself, I find that her A attacks all last for so long that they are easily punishable. My main is Zelda and I rarely see anybody else playing as her. I find her to be a very technical character who can control a lot of the battlefield at once. I guess what I'm saying is that a lot of whether a character is good or not at a non-tournament level is personal taste. I'm better with Ganondorf than I am at Diddy Kong or Meta Knight.
Kirby is only as good as the ability he steals. That said, my friend used to annihilate me with cheap butt-pounds.
Nerf Link
@whodatninja Perhaps with her custom moves, but I find default Palutena to be pretty weak. Her default moveset only gives her one special move that actually does reliable damage (and even that one has very little KO ability), while her Up Smash has a very high whiff ratio.
@FilmerNgameR Myself, I think Link deserves his day in the sun. He's only been one of the worst characters in the 3 games before this, playing second fiddle to alternate selves in two of them.
I sympathize with the guy. I've never been able to beat my twelve year old self in a swordfight. So annoying.
"Enemies enemies gotta lotta enemies, gotta lotta enemies tryna drain me of this energy."
Sakurai's new anthem now that the smash bros community is so whiny.
@Giygas_95 To be fair, Sonic's Homing Attack has already been nerfed. It's much harder to cheaply chain that move than it was in Brawl. Now if only they would correctly call his Down B his Spin Dash and change his Side B to something that's not 80% the same move...then while they're at it they can correctly rename Pikachu's Neutral B as Thundershock, either rename its Up B to Agility (like Melee Pichu) or have it do damage like an actual Quick Attack (Lucario's Extreme Speed has the same problem), and change its Side B to Wild Charge or really anything that it's actually capable of learning more recently than the first generation.
@Dodger I like using Link too it's just weird how easy it is to knock out an opponent when they're like at 30%.
Show Comments
Leave A Comment
Hold on there, you need to login to post a comment...