Video: The Game Theorists Plot Out Mario's Timeline and Family Bloodline

This felt very lazy. No mention of the Mario Vs. DK games? Really?

They also missed Captain Toad coming in immediately before Super Mario 3D World.

That leads me to believe Super Mario 3D Land takes place concurrently with Captain Toad and before Super Mario 3D World, as it would explain why the toad partners the Mario Bros. team up with in the New Era are missing in 3D Land, but back in 3D World. Obviously, they were off treasure tracking again as the Toad Brigade while Mario and Luigi saved the princess in 3D Land.

That's crazy. Jumpman is Mario's DAD??? Now that I think about it, it actually makes sense...

The Jumpman is Mario's dad theory has been around for a while now.

I hate theories. Always messing with my head.

Game Theorists is usually pretty funny. The video about Peach suffering a mental disorder/Stockholm Syndrome made me chuckle.

Okay, where do the Mario Vs. DK games fit in this, uh, "timeline"? You can clearly see Pauline hanging out with modern day Mario (and DK) in those.

No really this whole thing with Game Theory people are dumb. Yoshi Island DS/NEW/and blah blah are all lies. They are just remakes of Yoshi's Island.
This is just ignorant stuff to waste peoples time.

No this is stupid
Jumpman is Mario when he was Evil. They turn tables around. This was common back then with many series like "Time-Bokan" or "Wacky Races" where people would root for the antagonistic forces.

The whole idea of Peach and Bowser being lovers is not really an bad idea at all. I mean why not get kidnapped for nothing.

Personally in my eyes we have three Princess. Toadstool ( the original one ), Peach ( the more feminine version of Toadstool ), Daisy ( the desert version of Toadstool ).

I mean Mario was okay until they made the Star Princess ( Whatever her name is ). That is just silly enough along with Ghost Mario and Ghost Bowser.

Back to Mario.

Look Mario is Jumpman, when he was chasing DK around the globe, in Brookyln, back in DK Big-ape-city.

IN MARIO WORLD TIME MOVES SLOW just as with "Lupin the 3rd". If you are an watcher of Lupin you will realize this is an man from the 1960's running around in the year 20XX and non of his partners or the police have changed at all. Everything is updated in Lupin but the main characters ( asides for what they are known for ).

For Mario it is the same thing. Mario real ending was Super Mario Brothers 3. Then we had Mario vacation ( world ) and Mario RPG.

THAT WAS IT. Every other Mario game is garbage, Starting with Yoshi's Island which in fact is really an FAIRY TALE from an STORY BOOK. They even let you know by the way the story was being told.

Personally Mario Missing 2 ( the flash game ) is the only real Mario I consider real, asides for the other Mario game when Kamek kidnapps the wrong Nintendo Princesses and Bowser have a mental breakdown; and just decides to go to his clown car ( ha ha ha ha ) to ubduct the Princess.

Nintendo has not made an real Mario game since the RPG/Yoshi Island ( which is really Mario World/Mario 3 ). Everything after that is just us with our little hearts hoping for something amazing to happen which is nothing at all.

Where is Mario 64 2??? That never happen at all.

Okay I finished Watched it. This whole thing is just silly. I like the Earthbound one better about the fetus. This is silly. Pauline is just Mario's 5 cent girlfriend from the original DK games. This is stupid. Timeline is this.

DK games
Mario NES
Mario Vacation

That is the official time-line. Everything else is pointless.

shakes head sometimes they have some good points but this is one of the cases they're trying to make something out of nothing. There is no possible Mario timeline, and to make sense of it there would be so much time travel a timeline is irrelevant. I mean, the Mario vs DK series is one big mess then. The Mario there couldn't be Mario's father, unless Mario's father happens to have a brother named Luigi and there's an older Princess Peach... Or would they argue Pauline either doesn't age or time traveled forward to open the toy factory? Are they going to argue the characters pull their baby selves through time for tennis, go kart racing, and more? I also recall a more recent interview stating the Koopalings are not actually Bowser's children, even if it originally referred to them as such. Where's Bowser Jr (who appears to be different than Baby Bowser and calls Bowser dad)? They assume the green Yoshi that found Baby Mario is the same as the Yoshi "dating" Birdo (I've seen no evidence they're actually dating either). They're being liberal with what they count part of this timeline so what about Paper Mario? Mario is Missing? The theory that the characters are actors and the stories are all stage productions makes more sense than this explanation.

Very creative but I would've liked to see the Paper Mario franchise and Super Mario Bros. 2. If Mario & Luigi and Super Mario RPG are "the main series," then surely Paper Mario is as well.

Still not too fond of that Luigi and Peach thing but I do like the idea of a Mario timeline and it was pretty well made.

@GeminiSaint don't forget Peach and Pauline in that game. So they time traveled three generations of females into one place to open a toy factory?

Okay...there are SOME areas that I think could work, but still, this is just a mess (don't even get me started on the idea that Rosalina is Luigi and Peach's child...).

@ShadJV Couldn't have said it better myself.

I call BS.

Oh, great. Another "brilliant" video by Matthew "Mario is crazy" Patrick, because we all were missing that interpretation of the character. Seriously, I'm fed up with MatPat.

Was Super Mario Bros 2 missed out? Which had 4 player including Toad & Peach so should slot in before or after 3D world?

You guy's gotta admit at the very least.
This was a entertaining video.
Even if you don't agree with some parts of it, IT was a nice presentation.

@HyrulianOfHyrule I don't mind them as long as they are not anything to do with social science.

@unrandomsam True then I would question their methods

Ehhhhhh. Pretty sick of Game Theory. The worst part about it is that many people are CONVINCED that anything that spews out of their channel is completely 100% factual. It gets kind of irritating talking to people who believe in the stuff like it's their religion.

@YoshiTails that was a dream

Does this take into account that Rosalina is Peach's dead daughter and that Mario is evil and that Peach has an affair with Luigi because of no reason? (Do not mock my theory, this is all true because of a tree that was in the game for a few seconds)

Pretty good theory. Forgot CTTT though.

@ShadJV Precisely

@AlexSora89 Same

Game Theory just needs to die already! It used to be cool, but nowadays it's nothing but poorly researched "oh-so-shocking-and-controversial" crap and FNAF fanboy-ing. TrailerDrake's and Gaijin Goombah's stuff are the only things worth watching on that channel anymore. (even then, I just subscribe to their personal channels)
@Onion851 Tell me about it!

Why are so many people offended and totally opposed to this? XD It's a video that's just made to give people that have a sense of humor some enjoyment. I thought it was funny, and I enjoyed it. So many Nintendo fans take things personally. XD

@camerica1618 This. I don't watch Game Theory myself but by good the people on NL takes things too seriously. I mean guys there is a reason why he just say but hey it just a theory after everyone of his episodes. They're not to be taken seriously, as facts, and there no point of trying to disprove him or act like his he trying to make his theories fact without making yourself like the following pic related:

Nothing here makes any sense whatsoever. Nintendo never bothered to make the stories have any meaning but to make them passable so that everyone would only bother with the gameplay and Mario perfects that in every way.

A confusing mario timeline! I was shocked about it.

@ShadJV You're right, of course. That Pauline makes this theory completely impossible.

Unless... No, that cannot be?!!

Pauline herself is the most beautifully crafted toy of all?!

I like a good game theory, but the problem with Game Theory is the videos don't have a solid conclusion. They read way too much into things, usually pulling things from their rear-ends that the game series itself doesn't even support like they did here, and at best its losely-linked controversal topics that only fit if you choose to see it that way.

I will say this though, they do really good research. Ironically, those parts make more sense than the theory itself.

I love how most of these comments are confused about some of MatPat's points because they were theories developed in other episodes that these guys probably didnt watch.

Also, come on guys. It's just a game. Mario doesn't have a timeline, anyways.

I think RegalSin just doesn't understand entertainment. This isn't the first time I've seen him go off like that. It's all for fun, you silly fool.

Sorry, but his analyses are garbage. In "Mario is Mental" he laments how brutal Mario is and how much he hates Luigi, twisting facts upside-down without asking back to developers, who should KNOW their characters. Seriously, this is ridiculous and should not taken seriously.

@kevkeepsplaying I wouldn't say that you can't put a timeline in games, but I agree that there is no timeline in Mario games. I could imagine that their could be one in Legend of Zelda, but then again... I actually don't care. But I disagree that this guy is funny. He is annoying... very annoying.

My brain hurts!!!

Seems to lack Wario timeline. Honestly I don't care much for his videos.

I always thought Daisy was Bowser's daughter. I know the movie had that I thought the games referenced her being his daughter.

Mario/Luigi and their cousins Wario/Luigi obviously are part of the World Newton family. I would say Monk's grandchildren (Monk from the Doc Savage novels both being part of the World Newton Family). I assume all here know what the World Newton Family is. I assume every has played the game of "could this character be part of the family".

@Guitardude7 I thought Daisy was Luigi's girlfriend.

This is quite impressive for the most part, and kind of makes sense, until you get to Pauline. There's no way she's Mario's mother, all because of one side-series: Mario vs Donkey Kong. I know they didn't count side-series, but it's vital to the Pauline-mother-thing. It proves that it's not true. Pauline appears in this game, as her young self, with modern Mario and Donkey Kong. We know it's the modern ones, not only because of the design (note DK's tie), but also because, in addition to Mario, DK and Pauline toys, the games also feature Luigi and Peach toys, meaning they're alive adults. So Pauline either doesn't age, or there's also a second Pauline (which I find highly unlikely). She can't possibly appear next to her 'son' who appears to be the same age, if not older than her.

But for the rest, I must admit, nice research. It's rather believable for the most part.

about the Pauline and the Mario vs Dk point, plastic surgery can do wonders these days xP

anyway, theres no need to take this stuff too seriously

Well, if Jumpman is Mario's father, I don't see why the original Pauline and the modern Pauline from the MvsDK series have to be the same person.

Pauline could easily be Mario's cousin, from his mothers side. The fact that they have a friendly, completely non-romantic but still close relationship helps with the idea that maybe they're related.

But hey, that's just a theory. A gam-<shot>

@camerica1618 I suppose by "people with a sense of humor" you actually mean "people who find humor in nonsense and pretentiousness".
Seriously, your comment sounds just like something a Seth MacFarlane/Irate Gamer defender would say.

@Eisenbolan

Logically with the idea that Peach/Rosalina/Toadstool are all the same character but with an different name.

Who am I kidding even Daisy is Rosalina.

They train wreck this entire thing because "Toadstool" is the same girl from Donkey Kong. Note the Blonde girl in Pink Dress.

Who are we kidding Miyamoto. Especially since the cartoon she is also blonde.

@GeminiSaint So? Mario is probably just being a nice son, and giving toys to her as a gift.

@Poketendo Just because Mario gave a Mario-toy to Pauline doesn't necessarily mean they have to be in a relationship. For all you know, it could be Mother's Day/Pauline's Birthday (or Mario is just being a good son) and Mario is giving a gift to his mother to show his appreciation.

@RegalSin
Please tell me that's sarcasm, seeing as Peach and "Toadstool" are literally the same person. In Japan her name has always been Peach, she was only known as Princess Toadstool in the west. They changed it for consistency.

As for Pauline, no @nintendawesome, she isn't Mario's mother. Donkey Kong was originally going to be a Popeye game, so it would have featured Popeye, Bluto,and Olive Oyl. The deal didn't work out so they had to create their own characters, meaning that Jumpman (Mario) Donkey Kong, and Pauline had to stand in for the Popeye cast.

Jumpman is not mimicking Popeye........and even so if it is. Jumpman is far superior then Popeye.

You make me think about Popeye saving the day for anime people in order to kill anime people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYRPvz-LV-k

Back to this thing. Look Toadstool is the only Princess I recognize to have any authority in Super Mario series. Their are comics, cartoons, and animations to prove this.

Peach on the other hand barely have any supporting background or screen time. All she does is scream "Save me Mario" and get facial abuse, and harassed her entire life-time as princess. While I prefer an peachy pie over an Toadstool on my wall any day of the week she fits in perfectly.

What is even funny about Super Mario Brothers Two, the fact that it took place in Mario's head as an dream. More funnier because they nickname this game "MARIO USA" for an reason. Only in USA we would have such commercial garbage.

However that was the apex of the Super Mario series before we went back to saving the Peach and spending a night in her bubble bath.

I love the character Toadstool over Peach any day. She is awesome and uniquely an supportive person. Peach just does one thing and one thing only appears at the end of the game and gets "Kidnapped".

Mario:USA gave Toadstool the life she missed as being Peach.

I do agree on the discrimination Toadstool gets. Yes she looks the typical controversial looking "Amerian, American" woman. The same woman we see on every cover of VHS, or DVD media. Some European woman exposed to the harsh climates lacking proper treatment. Even so I still admire as an character over Peach.

Peach only real appearance is "Yoshi's Safari" and "Mario 64". That is it. I know they are different, and I know they are all the same at the same time.

I love Toadstool and treasure all the Mario:USA moments she gaved us. I will always remember that one time she broke out of Koopa jail by summoning an Power-Star, and then bombed her way out of prison while pulling Mario and Luigi to Safety as well. Even in the comics when she carried bombs as well.

Bombs seem to be the her primary attack power even before Mario RPG came about or the Nintendo RPGS made without Squaresoft.

@RegalSin
I'm not saying Jumpman is mimicking Popeye, I'm saying they were trying to keep that same sort of group dynamic you'd see in the Popeye cartoons. Anybody who's seen them knows what I'm talking about.

As for Peach, all I'm saying is her and Toadstool are literally one and the same. Peach is Toadstool and Toadstool is Peach, so the character you're praising as "Princess Toadstool" is still Princess Peach.

Oh, and in regards to Mario USA, its because its not actually the real Super Mario Bros. 2, its the version the US got. Its only known as that in Japan, so its basically "Super Mario Bros. 2 USA version" to them.