Last year Sony Pictures was hacked, and thousands of emails were stolen and effectively used as weapons against executives, film-makers and those within that creative industry. Saucy emails were shared showing executives bashing movie stars, and there were even leaks related to talks that had taken place with regards to potential Nintendo movies. In fact, much of what you're seeing in headlines today actually emerged around five months ago.
We picked up on the emails last year related to a Mario movie that was revealed by Buzzfeed. We won't, however, be joining in this time with the further leaks that have appeared on Wikileaks.
Why? To break into first person, I've discussed this with the management team and we've decided, as a group, that we won't support further coverage from these Sony Pictures leaks. Our reasoning is as follows:
- These emails were stolen at the time - not leaked by an employee - and were ultimately (as the story evolved) used for ugly purposes beyond snooping around at potential film projects etc. It was an invasion of the privacy of Sony Pictures, but more importantly of a number of individuals, and some emails were used maliciously to attack these individuals.
- Sony Pictures, within its rights, condemned and criticised a number of these leaks.
So what's changed now that Wikileaks has published them?
- Nothing
Now, there'll be counter-arguments around freedom of speech, and comparisons made to that which made Wikileaks famous - the previous leaking of files from the Iraq War and Diplomatic cables. In those cases there's an argument for the public interest being applicable, as the topics related to politics, war, and events that can cost lives and affect many others besides. That's a perspective I can understand and largely agree with - emails about movies though? Not exactly in the 'public interest', beyond the fact we can be nosy.
Should we have published that first article? At the time it was a case of content spilling into the public domain, and in the case of the 'Mario movie' being rather harmless and fascinating for Nintendo fans; arguments for and against that publication can be made. It's in light of how that initial leak evolved, however, becoming a barely palatable snoop show that attacked individuals, that we've opted to now sit out of the belated emails published by Wikileaks.
We won't be posting these Sony Pictures emails again on Nintendo Life, nor digging around Wikileaks. To be perfectly blunt on their importance, too, they give little more than indications that people want to make movies with Nintendo IPs, with dollar signs swirling in their eyes. No deals were confirmed in the leak despite some 'confident' wording in emails - as was made clear when those involved issued statements last December.
In summary, people try to make movies all the time, so it's hardly earth shattering, and perhaps some will see the light of day. In recent times Nintendo has allowed its characters to appear in Wreck-it Ralph and Pixels, so is clearly open to the idea.
More importantly, we don't feel the re-leaking of these emails five months after their initial spread is constructive, and don't want to play even a small part in encouraging them further.
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1up @NintendoLife
Good decision.
While I'd understand that some people (including myself, of course) would support further dissemination of information, I'm just tired of hearing this.
I think this is just some marketing stunt, anyway.
Makes sense. No objections here.
I never really cared about this to begin with, but it's good you're not covering the topic, anyway.
Very good stance to take Thomas, and NL team.
Can I get an amen?
@GamecubeComplex Amen! xD
Good.
Now, is splatoon out yet?
Now I want to know more about this than ever!
Time to go check Wikileaks...
Yeah, makes sense. No complaints here, either. Still wonder how this will develop in the long run though.
yawn
I always thought of these as being cancelled so I discarded them entirely.
It's nice to see you made this decision but I gotta say I'm a little surprised. Some news articles have given me the impression that you have questionable ethics or that everything goes, I would have expected those leaks to appear with the wierdness tag.
Excellent call. No need to stoop so low
"To be perfectly blunt on their importance, too, they give little more than indications that people want to make movies with Nintendo IPs, with dollar signs swirling in their eyes. No deals were confirmed in the leak despite some 'confident' wording in emails"
So, you're not covering it b/c there isn't anything worth covering?
Makes sense.
Good choice.
"More importantly, we don't feel the re-leaking of these emails five months after their initial spread is constructive"
Yet you found it constructive to write an editorial five months after they leaked to let us all know you won't be discussing them? I had honestly forgotten all about this.
Stay tuned for Thomas' editorial next month...
Is the dress black and blue or white and gold?!
Good call, 1up to you staff of NL!
"Everyone's doing something, we'll do nothing"
@HollywoodHogan So this is a decision over the old leaks? I thought there were new leaks. So what's the point of this "important decision"?
Good for you!
Integrity is rare. Most sites do anything for a click these days.
@HollywoodHogan Reminds me of everytime there's an article on pirating and homebrew but they won't provide the direct link but will provide the details needed to find it. ethics, you know?
@HollywoodHogan I think the point of the article is that it is news again and NL is just clearing up why they aren't gonna be covering more of the nintendo related stuff as it gets takes about now.
Probably not huge but, it's a Niche that fits this site.
@Fletcher-Mobot: Integrity is rare. Most sites do anything for a click these days.
Like advertising an overpriced N64 with a homemade paint job and even offering 10% discount?
@SethNintendo The problem like always is not the movie studio (at least not 100%), is the people who write or direct and sometimes the ones who make the cast. Fantastic Four and X-Men were both from Fox, just one of those sagas is really good.
@OMC79
Hahaha it's times like this that I wish there was a search function on this site that allowed you to find articles posted by authors. Damo has posted dozens upon dozens of these advertisements disguised as "articles" for painted systems and controllers, often from the same company.
pay·o·la
n.
1. Payment of a party, especially a disc jockey or radio station, for the promotion of a product or service, such as a commercial musical recording, without making the legally required disclosure of sponsorship.
2. The money used to make such payment.
Because it actually IS about ethics in journalism.
It's ironic that a group that claims to be against censorship would publish stolen information that was used to try to force censorship, thereby supporting those who censor in the name of free speech.
@dariusq Ethics, like subtly advertising an NES hombrew cart made in 2014 as if it was the first and only project of its kind ever? I'm surprised they don't cover repros too as news articles.
I agree 100 percent with that
If anyone wants to know what Thomas is talking about, here is the original NL article posted on this matter...before they had their "ethical" change of heart!
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/12/sony_pictures_is_in_negotiations_with_nintendo_to_make_a_super_mario_movie
Wouldn't it have made even more sense to not even bother writing this editorial then?
@DESS-M-8 I'm assuming they were getting allot of tip-offs about the 'news' and so had to address it.
@DESS-M-8 What would have made more sense is to have written about a complete ethics check over the articles in general, not just a nearly forgotten single article.
I still despise WikiLeaks, because they put ACTUAL PEOPLE in grave danger. Thank you for not supporting them.
@BaffleBlend The Sony letters were not from Wikileaks, they were from the North Korean hacking. I agree with you about Wikileaks, though, but not at a 100%. The people need to know about some of those leaks but not all of them, that's were ethics come in handy.
@rjejr My comment on the importance of the emails was an aside, to be honest, in hindsight I shouldn't have bothered with that paragraph. Ultimately, we just wanted to be clear, as when we've ignored specific rumours or leaks in the past we get many people asking what's up. So it's just clarity.
@JaniN83 Ugh, same.
@ThomasBW84 So, ethics will only apply to rumors in the future. Well, I guess you have to pay the hosting and rumors (and official news) usually give no revenue at all. Payola does, though.
@ThomasBW84 - "to be honest" ..."I shouldn't have bothered with that paragraph"
But you did, b/c your an honest man, and you put journalistic integrity above simply winning an argument or making a point. Its a strength, not a flaw. Don't listen to the haters.
@HollywoodHogan - They covered that over on sister site Pushsquare.
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2015/02/weirdness_sony_craftily_joins_dress_colour_debate
@rjejr I don't hate him or his decision, in fact, I applaud it. I'm only saying that I don't like that this sudden ethics thing doesn't go beyond leaks and gossip and it should. What HollywoodHogan and I didn't like much too is that this is over old news, that's why he went ironic and put the OLD darn dress thing, because of your response I assume you didn't get it.
@BaffleBlend. The only "danger" Wikileaks has caused is danger to the interests of the US and the rest of their corrupt friends around the world.
You should applaud them.
@Omarzy It also puts in danger some of its enemies too, those just don't get too often in the news.
Everybody lies and have secrets, sometimes knowing those can be dangerous to everyone. Wikileaks is a double-edged knife. Is a great democracy tool but without control it can backfire (it might as well done it already).
Well I have no problem with you standing by your morals and doing what you think is right, I totally respect that, but I'd just warn people not to forget that things like this also came from the leak: http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/12/7382287/project-goliath and https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141212/12142629419/leaked-emails-reveal-mpaa-plans-to-pay-elected-officials-to-attack-google.shtml
What that amounts to is insidious plans behind the scenes by giant multinational conglomerate corporations like Sony to basically control the likes of Google, which for all it's evils is basically on the side of the people when it comes to the freedom and openness of the Internet. The other companies, run by long established families/groups of billionaires and elites, who have an invested interest in maintaining control and power of the dissemination of information and media and over their vast empires, that even have the power to control political campaign outcomes with their donations etc, are basically trying to limit Google and ultimately the Internet itself simple because of money.
This recent mass attack on piracy for example, which is clearly part of a much bigger and more insidious plan that potentially serves to threaten all our freedoms on the Internet and may ultimately lead to an even more enslaved human population (enslaved as in controlled by things like the media, entertainment media, news media and whatever else, and the companies that own and control the majority of the media), is obviously the first step in that plan. Without this leak, with these people being basically untouchable and being able to connive away secretly behind the scenes, we might never have known about such things until it was way too late and even now, knowing just some of the facts (what other nefarious plans are these people discussing behind the scenes), these companies still have so much wealth, power and influence that we ultimately still may not be able to do anything about them gaining massive control and power over what we see and hear on the Internet to a large degree and BANG! there goes our "open" Internet and basically one of the few remaining free voices of the people, that one day we might come to realise was possibly our last big hope of ever joining together and toppling the powers that control and manipulate virtually every single facet of our lives to their own nefarious ends.
These leaks are important if only to show people just how sneaky, insidious and manipulative these mega corporations can be and ultimately how much of a threat they can be to the ways of life for ordinary people who are largely totally ignorant to just how many strings are being pulled behind the scenes in the name of money, profit, greed and just how far these people running these companies will go in that pursuit.
Just keep that in mind when you feel bad that a few employees got hurt in the process and leaking some movie information isn't particularly worthwhile etc.
@Kirk That's fair, sure. I'm not going to fib and say I've trawled through everything that came out of it, we just felt that after the hornets nest it became the last time out it wasn't worth getting into this time. The web seemed to be swarmed with petty nonsense last time, private conversations used against people for no obvious goal other than a bit of gossip. It almost got a film cancelled, too, but I'm not getting into all that here!
I'm not against (personally now, this isn't NL talking) some of what Wikileaks and other leakers have done in the past, and fully supported (personally) all the stuff with Edward Snowden, for example. It's always a tricky area. With the Sony stuff, its goals were clearly less about revealing public interest truths and more about screwing over those that had made a decision unpopular with some.
As for this article, it's really just to be clear so we don't have a lot of people asking why X wasn't reported from these emails, saving people time When it comes to rumours, leaks and where they've come from it's a case by case thing in terms of what we run, completely ignore or tackle in this way. With this case we've decided to pass on sharing these particular emails, opting to just explain why.
@Kirk Keep in mind that not respecting this decision of the editor the way you did it, makes you as intolerant as those fascist you say you are against.
@OMC79 Who says I didn't respect the decision?
I clearly said in my first sentence that I do respect them standing by what they believe but I just warned that basically sometimes doing something with the best intentions in the world isn't always the perfect solution to a particular problem, especially when the problem is only the surface of a much bigger and potentially far more dangerous iceberg lurking beneath the surface.
So; I'm just saying, be nice, that's cool, but don't for one second forget that the people you are being nice to, the ones everything leads back to at the end of the day (that's the rich elites that ultimately run all these mega-corporations and not just a few low level employees or whatever), aren't all so perfectly innocent as we might imagine and maybe a little washing of their dirty laundry every once in a while isn't such a bad thing when all is said and done.
Them being afraid that someone can leak details of some random movie discussions in their emails or whatever just reminds them that someone somewhere can also leak details of their other far more insidious planning behind the scenes that has very little to do with making fun entertainment products for us to enjoy. It won't stop them making those plans but at least they know that the people, that's all of us common folks, can be made aware and that knowledge gives us at least some power. Without any knowledge however, we are basically slaves to their will.
@ThomasBW84 Yeah, I totally hear where you guys are coming from and I respect why you have come to the decision you have come to and your honest genuinely good intentions in your decision. I just want to make it clear that there's a lot of insidious stuff going on behind the scenes at these giant all powerful all controlling media conglomerates, along with the likes of the banks and largely corrupt or elitist governments these GIANT media companies basically run and control most of the world around us in a very real and often very nefarious way, and sometimes leaking a wee bit of dirt here and there is possibly actually the best thing that could happen, for all of our freedoms and liberties, at the end of the day.
I mean if we didn't know anything about all these companies trying to manipulate things behind the scenes to subvert the freedom of the open Internet [even if it were in a small way] then how would we even be able to start to oppose it...and they're certainly not just going to come out and openly tell us that's what they're doing. They will however try to pass more and more laws that stop people like you and me from doing things like say modifying/jailbreaking our consoles, maybe simply for our own sense of curiosity and experimentation (yes SOME but not ALL people will abuse that situation), under some catch all claim that without such limitations imposed on every single person who owns a console then rampant almost universal piracy will just drive all these multi-billion dollar businesses into the ground and presumably leave all the multi-millionaires running them in abject poverty. That's the kind of things these companies are doing, bit by bit, one little step at a time, and all in the name of protecting their right to turn a profit.
So; the gist of my point here is that we ALL have to give up more and more of our basic freedoms and rights (should these laws come into being), in the case of console modding/jailbreaking just to tinker basically, and they get to keep getting richer and richer...
Personally; I can live with the fact the heads at Sony or whatever have to suffer a leaked personal email or two if in among all the fluff there's maybe something actually worth knowing (worth the people knowing) that gets leaked out too, which certainly was the case in this case
@Kirk I know conglomerates like Google or Sony are "evil". I don't trust Google too much, I never install Chrome. But I think is not the task of NL to fight against them. As much as they deserve some comeuppance, it's not NL's job. Just like you decided to be part of that war, many of us have decided not to, I don't think this is the place to convert.
@OMC79 Hey, I totally agree. That's why I said I respect where they are coming from regarding their decision BUT at the same time I personally just want to remind people where some of the motivation behind the spreading of this leaked information is also coming from.
It's often not really about what specifically is being spread but more about sending a message to these companies just to remind them that they can't just plot to take over the world behind the scenes without anyone ever discovering the details of their nefarious evil little plans or more importantly being able to do anything about it; unless of course they get their way and pass all these stupid laws (like the one about console modding/jailbreaking that they are trying to pass right now) that basically stifle and control the freedom and openness of the Internet and take away basic rights of the people one small and seemingly insignificant law at a time....until these corporations basically control everything and are free to make as much money and profit as they want in their enslaved [pretty much un-opposable by law] capitalistic "free" market world.
Basically; the leak opened some of our eyes to the worrying truth of what goes on behind closed doors at these mega-corporations and that right there is its value.
PS. This article is directly related to the bigger problem at hand here, it touches on the motivations of the people behind such leaks and the ramifications of their actions etc, so it's the perfect time to "convert" imo.
Makes perfect sense. Why report every single little thing related to these rumors, as we found out most of them ended up being just that; rumors.
@OMC79 Baby steps. =)
I completely agree with NintendoLife on this stance.
Remember Corporations are people too
@andjahiam Indeed...indeed. That's part of the problem right there.
And this is why Nintendo Life is one of my primary sources for Nintendo news. People can claim that the Wii U's "failure" is Nintendo's faults but in my over 30 years as a Gamer, I have never seen a mainstream console get as much unjust negative press as the Wii U. Before launch, during launch and in the 2 1/2 years since launch, Nintendo the Wii U have been dogged by the press non stop to the point that it seems mainstream gaming "journalists" and the industry as a whole have a vendetta against the system and simply want it to fail. Lies and misconceptions about the system have been repeated often enough that people have just begun to think it's true. I have seen this first hand in my game store where I tell people about the Wii U and they just parrot the numerous articles and sentiment spread around the internet. Of course, once I sit them down to play the thing, they completely change their tune but this is a major reason (if not the main reason) the system can't catch on. It's a shame and I have no doubt that the Wii U will ultimately be remembered as fondly as the GameCube in the future despite the current manufactured negativity towards it. Keep up the good work Nintendo Life, your one of the good ones.
You might not cover them now but I bet in 10-20 years from now you will discuss them. Heck if it wasn't for the leaks then no one would have probably ever learned about this. I don't know about you guys but I love to know stuff like this.
I can see it now in 2026 and Nintendolife publishes an article "the Nintendo movie that never was" and have an indepth dicussion and interview with maybe someone that worked at Sony pictures all those years ago and it would be nice to read
Stealing is bad
Besides I'm not worried about it anyway. If the movie makes it out then I'll decide if I want to see it.
*Were not going to cover it, instead we cover that were not going to cover it"
Why not just ignore the whole thing instead ?
But nevertheless, kudos for doing the right thing
@TreonsRealm Exactly that !
When that topic comes up, i like to remember people of Nintendos utter failures like the N64 and the GameCube. You know, the consoles most sought after when it comes to the VC, the two consoles with the most "Best games of all time" on them.
And its likely going to be the same. Examine its librarys meta score. The WiiU exclusives are (among) the best rated games of all three platforms.
When i hear people whine about it, i just remember that its the internet and then everything is clear again, it wouldnt be the internet, if people wouldnt whine about everything.
Will you not cover leaks of any kind now? I'm not sure I see the problem with these leaks.
Good decision. Reporting on the private things of Sony isn't really morally right anyway. No one wants their stuff spilling onto the Internet and then getting tons of coverage.
I don't see the problem with covering them personally (I thought that's what journalism was for, being willing to cover things people in power wanted kept secret, the law be damned), but hey, it's your decision.
There are plenty of other reasons to visit Nintendo Life.
While I am against theft of people's property's, I think you guys shouldn't skimp on the truth! If there is news regarding Nintendo IP movies, we should know. That way we can give our opinion on the matter, maybe even influence Nintendo a bit (as naive as that may be). If you guys don't let us know, then there are thousands of other sides where we can find it. Besides, when did you guys skimp on a little bit of sensation anyway?!
This sounds a bit like censorship!
Well done. I agree.
@TreonsRealm @DBPirate @DarkCoolEdge
NL already reported on this story earlier. Don't be fooled about their newfound morality on the issue.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/12/sony_pictures_is_in_negotiations_with_nintendo_to_make_a_super_mario_movie
@HollywoodHogan Yes, I'm aware of it.
@ HollywoodHogan
We know, if you read the article they flat out state that (and even link to it) but go on to state that they won't be reporting on the leaks any further. Not sure the point you were trying to make but Nintendo Life is making it clear that they won't be continuing with the leaks which is pretty admirable when you consider that the articles are generally used for click bait like with other sites.
@TreonsRealm
Do you know what else was "leaked"? Not much. That Sony wanted to make Nintendo movies? We knew that for months.
The "news" is that the emails are now searchable on wikileaks. Other than a photo of a Sony exec with Iwata and Miyamoto and a mention of Smash Bros, there is nothing in there we already didn't know months ago. Sony wants to make movies with Nintendo characters.This editorial was a whole bunch of nothing.
It's like a dude murdering a guy, then 5 months later coming out and saying "I had a chance to murder another dude today, but I didn't do it because it's wrong" and then everybody applauding him and saying what a great guy he is. He already killed a man!! Did you people forget that?!
When it was reported elsewhere it was fine. When it turned out to be stolen information they didn't want to support information thieves.
As far as whistleblowing goes, it's okay when there's unconciousable conduct to reveal - unless people really think planning a new Mario movie is that evil, this theft of information is pretty low.
Who needs movies when we have riveting comments?
Nice try. After the sickening Project Goliath details, I have no sympathy for these idiots. The Mario project could end up being Smash bros. Sony has been trying to butter up Nintendo. Sony doesn't care about actors and director's behaviours. I am boycotting these people, My sympathy I had for them circa-The Interview is all gone.
I respect your reasoning, no reason to drag anyone through the mud.
@NintendoLife
Have to agree with @Kirk, @nintendomasterr, @Wouwter, @CM30, and @Red_XIII.
It's unfortunate, but the world essentially needs organizations such as Wikileaks to prevent (or at least slow down) an eventual Deus Ex style situation among the world's superpower governments, megacorporate conglomerates, and central/big bankers. It might sound rather farfetched today, but if one pays attention to how the world's more vulnerable communities (including entire areas within supposed first world countries, e.g. in the city of Detroit and the state of West Virginia) are treated as "the cost of doing business", it becomes clear that we must treat those involved at the top from the perspective of Empire.
Issues like the Sony Pictures leaks are collateral damage, which is unfortunate, but it's become a necessary evil to acquire information from the top (since they won't reveal it to us) in the interests of scouting out their more dangerous implements. Anyone who's been paying attention to publicly available research, such as that conducted by organizations like the Center for Responsive Politics, knows that plans like Project Goliath have increasingly had their roads paved with the blessing of the top authorities. (Which is ironic in this case, since Google is one of the biggest PAC money donors. Not to mention, all of the organizations referring to Google as a goliath are also goliaths.)
This was part of the payback against Google for their recent support of the FCC decision to implement Title II of the Communications Act of 1934, classifying the internet as a regulated telecommunications service, instead of as a wild west style "information service".
"If you've done nothing wrong, then there's no reason to fear further intrusion." This should be a two way street. A one way street in this case leads towards tyranny; it happened to Imperial Rome, and it'll happen again without intervention.
I understand that this might be treading in an area from which NintendoLife does not want to potentially endanger themselves. So, I accept the decision on this matter.
@PlywoodStick Good to see a few people get it
Honestly, I never even noticed there was such a leak, probably because it's totally uninteresting. So I second you, Nintendo Life, don't report on a leak that doesn't interest or concern us.
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