Table Top Racing: World Tour Dev Isn't Sure About Bringing The Game To Wii U Because Of Mario Kart 8

That's ridiculous! Put it on wii u man!!

Well he's not wrong

Every racer has its niche.

Then again, the Wii U doesn't have a lot of racers, and people are bound to get tired of Mario Kart, so I say that they do what Atlus does: Temp discounts everywhere.

Because of Mario kart??... Don't the other consoles have more racing games?

Errrrrrmm... wot?!!! If they add functionality to use the gyro on the Wiimotes then we'll have another game we can use our MK steering wheels with. Pretty lame excuse if you ask me.

mario kart 8 is the beast lol.

tomorrow is the dlc yahoo.Also smash is in the corner.My wallet....(also i want Splatoon/Xenoblade,zelda,fire emblem X shin megami,fast racing neo and star fox and pokemon fighter).
Also i still have to beat WW hd because i cant find time to play it.

This looks near identical to Super Toy Cars, and as you can see that game wasn't perfect.

If Table Top racing was going to release on Wii U, I'd reccomend asking Eclipse Games if it sold well, and then know that their racing game would likely sell way better.

Comments like that tell heaps about the quality of the product. It isn't a good sign if even the creators doubt their product is good enough to stand to competition.

And of course PS4 is first, gotta fulfill that contract with the devil...

@DGGames
"Comments like that tell heaps about the quality of the product. It isn't a good sign if even the creators doubt their product is good enough to stand to competition."

Exactly what I was going to say, if not so eloquently.

Codemasters also released their reboot of "Micro Machines" on STEAM but I will bet they won't release it on Wii U either... =(

The reason why companies avoid nintendo right there:
Competition !
And when youre not even slightly convinced that your product brings something worthwhile to the table, you have two options:

• Smacktalk them, so that they seem worse than you
• Avoid them, so that you wont be compared to their products and can act as an ersatz for this competition on other systems.

He might not be wrong, but this mentality is like giving up. This is what the big AAA devs think, so why not the little guys? But hey, if it sucks...wii u owners don't want it. Give the mediocre games to Sony snd Microsoft.

That just sounds like he's laying down the foundations to eventually say "we are not bringing this game to the Wii U because...blar blar blar."

When gamers buy consoles do they play just one game of a particular genre? Of course not! In fact gamers will not only buy consoles for variety but also if they contain a lot of what they like. The SNES was blessed when tonnes of RPGs and they still done well

It's the same in business. If you were to set up a new business you would go to where the competition is, so whenever people go to buy a new, EG car, they'll go where all the car dealers are located. If a gamer is particularly interested in racers they'll go to a console with the most/best racing games.

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHA...

oh come on! that is ridiculous...
If the game IS a FPS they just launch the game in Nintendo platforms because all the other ones have FPS?

Well after getting MK8 I bought TNT Nitro machines. And I also have NFS Most Wanted.

Well they better not release it on Xbox One, 'cause it's got Forza Horizon 2.

"I will never play another game which isn't as good as MK8" they heard us say.

Coward...

That logic is kinda silly... I mean why release it on PS4 when they have DriveClub? Why release it on Xbox One when they have Forza 5 and Horizon 2? Why release it on PC when it has tons of racing games?

I would buy it! There are only five racing games on the Wii u.

The original is actually quite good on Android,it's more Micro Machines than Mario Kart though.Not sure how well the original would translate to console,but if the sequel is built for consoles I have no doubt this will turn out alright.

I'm interested since it's in a different setting. There's a Pikmin-like feel with Mario Kartey gameplay. As long as it has a solid gameplay, no issues and it's fun, I don't think they should fear Mario Kart 8.

Totally want this on WiiU! like, now!

If not, ill get it on ps4

Most comments seem to interpret it as if they are afraid of the competition from MK8. To me, the "They've got Mario Kart, so is it really in their interest to do this, I'm not entirely sure." quote seems to indicate that they believe that Nintendo would refuse a Wii U port of the game?

Well here's one of those situations where Nintendo simply cannot win.

If it doesn't make great first party games like Mario Kart 8 then no one will ever buy the system (with Wii U the first party games are about the only reason to buy the system at this point) and that in turn means no one will ever support the system, which in turn means no one will buy the system. If it does make great first party games it has developers like this saying they won't support the system because they're basically scared of the competition from those first party games or whatever (They're scared Nintendo is scared or that it won't be interested?), which leads to many people not buying the system because it lacks third party support, which in turn leads to less third party support because no one is buying the system...

My suggestion to Nintendo here is to just do it like it was done in the days of the NES and SNES: First of all; create truly compelling hardware that everyone actually wants to buy and that all the developers are excited to support in the first place and then support it yourself with a constant stream of the best first party titles in the industry. Then you'll get those initial sales because you'll have a great system with compelling first and third party titles out the gate, which will bring in the customers, which in turn will bring in more third parties, which will bring in more consumers...

The real issue with the Wii U was creating a system that right out the gate really only appealed to fanboys and basically nobody else imo, be it the more "cool" and "hardcore" gamers, broader entertainment consumers or developers and publishers. Nintendo shot itself in the foot day one with the Wii U imo and it set in motion a cycle that's nigh-on impossible to escape at this point, unless it creates the next Wii Sports or Pokemon level of phenomenon or something truly huge like that, which realistically is unlikely to happen.

PS. OF COURSE Nintendo would be interested in this game coming to Wii U and especially now of all times but also just any time really. If it's a great game then why the hell would you seriously imagine that Nintendo or any company wouldn't want it on their system?!

With that kind of mentality, that's like saying every platformer on the Wii U shouldn't exist because of Mario and Donkey Kong being their competition.

Who cares. The game gets boring after an hour anyway.

Edit: Well, the original did, anyway.

Wouldn't the success of MK8 be more of a reason to put it on Wii U??

Yeah, I get what he's thinking but... doesn't that mean that it's a platform where people are predisposed to like non-realistic racing games?

Out of the 3 platforms one has a very successful game similar to your genre. You can say, "we can't compete" or you can say, "we know that platform has people that will like our game".

The original was okay but I'm sure they'd be inspired by leaving mobile behind for this version to add many more features so it would be a shame if they skipped what is potentially their best market opportunity: Wii U.

@jariw That's how I read it, too. What a ridiculous cop out.

This to me sounds like another excuse.

Another 3rd party making a lame excuse to get out of making a WiiU game... Typical!!

That is really sad. What if somebody doesn't like mario kart or wants another game or is broke or a tone of other reasons for them to make a purchase.

So he fears competition, that nobody will buy his game? What a lousy excuse, in the young days developer actually made games that will compete against Mario Kart or games like it on the same platform, this gen seems like a gen for wussy developers. Too afraid of change, too fearful of competitor, too worry of being bankruptcy, and too much focus on greed. It's a shame the videogame industry had come to this. So I guess the only company that can still go head-to-head with Nintendo is Sega then cuz other than Mario Kart 8, Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transform is the only competitor title on the Wii U and everywhere else.

What they're thinking makes sense though I don't really agree with it. Sure Mario Kart 8 is huge but if that attitude was taken in general then there would never be any new franchises (e.g. Splatoon wouldn't exist because CoD is huge).

@TheWPCTraveler I don't think people will get tired of Mario Kart 8 anytime soon provided the integration of DLC into online is smooth. My expectation of a smooth integration is that the same on disc track is not being selected pretty much every other race.

@retro_player_22 Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed became a single player experience for me after Mario Kart 8 launched as no-one seemed to go online anymore. That said, its single player modes are massively better than of all Mario Kart games in my opinion (World Tour is perfect).

@retro_player_22

Agreed

Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed was well received enough, in spite of being on the Mario Kart system! Rayman Legends sold well in spite of being in the NSMB system! This is ridiculous, 3rd parties are a bunch of whinners now.

@DGGames Like it or not, the PS4 is the top selling next-gen home console right now. It might see the same perks and special treatment that the NES, PS1, and PS2 enjoyed back in their day.

I wouldn't even touch the game if it did come out for the Wiiu.And imagine if the developers of project cars say this exact thing about the project cars port for the Wiiu, and yes i know he said something about Mario Kart not too long ago.

I have to agree with his concerns. To be honest, I probably would not bring it to Wii U. I would consider it for 3DS though.

Yewh, forza, dirt and gran turismo and of course the upcoming C.A.R.S. Im surprised theyre worried about Mario Kart, of ckurse those are all more true to form racing sims whilr Mario Kart is definitely not.
There is definitely more room here for racing games

There's always room for another racing game but 8 race tracks just doesn't seem like a lot to me

I don't understand his point. "Is it in their interests?" Is he expecting financial support from Nintendo, or is he insinuating that Nintendo will somehow hamper this game's success because it competes with MK?

I played the original on Vita and loved it. Even Mario Kart could learn a few tricks from this as far as adding challenges etc are concerned...

Will get this on PS4 either way...

@HawkeyeWii Would it be able to compete with Mario Kart 7, though?!

I downloaded the original on my phone (free version).
It is large — 123M (or 2.5x what was allowed on the Wii).
It looks great.
It is ad-filled (free version).
After playing the time trial, I can say that it is quite different than the existing kart racers on the WiiU. It would probably benefit from proper controllers.
That all being said, the Vita version was mildly received (most reviews were in the mid-range). Thus, if it ever comes, I might look at it. But if it doesn't, I won't lose any sleep.
(And I think the rationale for probably not coming to WiiU speaks to the quality of the product.)

They've got Mario Kart, so is it really in their interest to do this, I'm not entirely sure.

So hold on, let me see if I'm understanding this correctly. They're not sure if Nintendo would allow them to release this game because it would compete with Mario Kart 8.

Is that actually… a thing? I think Nintendo would resent the release of every third-party platformer on their system if that were the case. This doesn't make sense to me.

I like Table Top Racing

A micro machines game is actually what this console needs. Because there maybe mario kart 8 but there is f""k all else?

go for it Wii U needs more games

Mario Kart Wii didn't prevent plenty of shovelware titles from porting to Wii.

This was really great on, was it N64? I hope they release it for Wii U as well. It's not exactly the same as Mario Kart, alot of people might want this.

Pfft, dumbest comment ever! He can simply say he's not interested in putting it on Wii U. Honestly soo dumb, "they have Mario Kart, why would nintendo want a micro machines style penny racer!" dumb dumb dumb. I'd ask him to think, but thats hard!

I'd like to think that if the game is good, they'd feel confident they can mobilize a percentage of that proven MK8 market to try out their game. But whatever.

He's right, between Project Cars and Mario Kart I do not see much room for a mediocre racing game, or truthfully the need.

It's as if he's implying that his poxy mobile game is actually as good as, or even better than, MK8. No-one is ever going to buy this third-rate pile of turd instead of MK8, dream on. People who like small-form racing may get it 'as well as' MK8, but never instead of.

@CTs_Lieutenant

To be fair, the SNES did not have the same kind of Nintendo fanboys that Nintendo has now. Nintendo fans then were more like Xbox and Sony fans are now--regular gamers who would buy 3rd party games every bit as often (if not more so) than the 1st party games.

It's not some childish fear of competition--it's because Nintendo fans routinely purchase 3rd party games in numbers and percentages well below what they'd find elsewhere.

Honestly, if Nintendo fans wanted more 3rd party games, they should've bought them when they were being regularly released. Nintendo fans want Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and remakes of Super Metroid. If EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc were making money on the console, they'd still be here. It's that simple. It's business.

It's not just fans, though they are a big part of this. But Nintendo clearly has no idea how to get 3rd party support these days, or how to work with third parties. Howard Lincoln understood it--you want support, you go get it. Iwata and Reggie just sit there repeating "well we have Mario and Zelda" over and over, as if that makes up for not having Fallout, Dragon Age, Witcher, or dozens of other games. Not having any harddrive space killed DLC support as well. Many 3rd parties saw little reason to release DLC to a console with almost no place to put it. And when offered, as Warner Bros did for Batman and Injustice, Nintendo fans thanked them by closing wallets and largely ignoring it.

Looks pretty meh regardless if it is coming to the U or not.

@Kirk

You've got a pretty solid comment, especially compared to the "whul they're jus' scurred uv competishun" nonsense of too many people here. Nintendo did shoot themselves in the foot by making a console that is too weak for many new and modern game engines (which instantly costs them a lot of support), didn't put a harddrive in it (which makes 3rd parties wary of a DLC market), and then failed to get enough 3rd party support--something they've been just horrible with for a while now. On top of all this, Nintendo fans have a history (since the N64) of treating 3rd parties like crap, and the ridiculously low sales of 3rd party content on the Wii U drove off the 3rd parties in record time.

Nintendo is now stuck kowtowing to a fanbase sadly made up of a group of "gamers" who are only ever interested in the same old games over and over again, in case this wasn't obvious by the ridiculous joy in seeing Majora's Mask announced for A FIFTH NINTENDO PLATFORM (it's playable on N64, GameCube, Wii, and Wii U) while they largely ignored new games like Splatoon and Codename Steam.

Nintendo has a fanbase that doesn't care about most video games, an inability to deal with third party companies, and is seemingly unaware of what the modern gaming market is like. At this rate, I no longer think it's possible for the company to return to the glory they held during the NES and SNES days, and no, the Wii and DS clearly did not return to that glory, as they still lost major 3rd party support.

I miss the days when I could get by with just the Nintendo console for a generation, but if I actually want to play any other major games, I need a Playstation or an Xbox, and this generation, I bought my companion console faster than ever because Nintendo fell behind faster than ever.

Isn't... the PS4 full of racing games right now? There is a lot more competition on there then there is on the Wii U. lol

Seeing as most people are more than content with just playing Mario Kart 8 his logic makes perfect sense! It would take a heck of a game to pry them away from that!

Many lolz @ the number of people who are spinning this as Nintendo's fault or that it's due to the Wii U being underpowered. Have you seen the game footage? There is absolutely nothing there that the Wii U couldn't handle.

It sounds like the developer wants to talk to Nintendo to make sure that Nintendo won't bury their game or fail to promote it in the same fashion that they promote other indy efforts. I don't see this game as direct competition.

As for the other systems, there really isn't any competition in the fantasy racing/kart racing department. This isn't something that would go up against, say, Forza. It's also at a far different price-point. I can see where he's coming from in the short term. Mario Kart is huge, and with new DLC is going to maintain a presence into next spring at the very least. I'm guessing there will be more than a few copies under trees or otherwise gifted through this holiday season, or purchased with gift cards after. But there will come a time that Wii U owners will be looking for something new or at least a little different. I think that, if the game is actually good it could even benefit from people's love of Mario Kart.

If it is a crappy game is normal to fear. If you know it is a good game there isn´t nothing to fear and they can release it in Wii U.

Hey guys, Nick from Playrise here, just wanted to clear things up a bit, we haven't, as yet, announced which platforms TTR: World Tour will be going to - but having seen a positive response (even if it's disappointment - it's kinda a good indicator), we'll certainly talk to Nintendo about what we might be able to do. I'm not gonna commit one way or another at the moment - MK8 is fantastic, but I think some of the observations elsewhere about us being a very different prospect to MK8 is fair and everyone here at Playrise is platform agnostic and we just want to get our games into as many real gamers hands as possible. We'll keep you updated as we go along. Thanks for reading. Nick

Diddy Kong Racing proved that you can compete with Mario Kart on its own terms.

Besides, if this is a cheaper, non-character based, digital only release, one might even argue it isn't competing directly in the first place.

I think you're right and for those reasons exactly, we'll start talking with them - thanks for the input guys.

Sounds like great fun this, and Id love to have another fun racer to challenge my friends in! Hope your talks to Nintendo go well and looking forward to playing this on Wii U!