Topic: Why people aren't respecting Nintendo?

@Kodeen
3rd iteration? Wii and DSi weren't going to have an account system, period. 3DS and Wii U are technically their first attempt at offering an account system, which they are slowly and uninformatively implementing.

In the US, its the reverse. I think there is a point to be made about the price of Nintendo's games. While I don't think they are overpriced when it comes to new games, Nintendo is pretty much the only one of the big three that does not matain a budget line on their systems. The Player's Choice label is long gone, and the Nintendo Selects were very limited in scope, and did not cover the DS and 3DS systems.

Sony and Microsoft games tend to get cheaper as time goes on, and when you also factor in the fact that both of them have a budget line, and tend to do releases that bundle older games in a single package or bundle DLC content with a game, and it kinda puts Nintendo's pricing in perspective.

Now, the most common argument I see people use is that Nintendo has no reason to drop the price of older games since they still keep selling. That works for evergreen titles like Pokémon, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, and games like that. But I have trouble believing that's the case for every single Nintendo game that comes out.

Not to mention, Nintendo had a full-budget line on the SNES, Game Boy, Game Boy Advance, Nintendo 64, and Gamecube. The one on the Gamecube was pretty comparable to the budget lines on the PS2 and the Xbox. But during the Wii and DS era, Nintendo killed the Player's Choice line, and developed a terrible habit of keeping much older games at full price.

That's where this argument comes from. In terms of new games, all three are comparable. But when it comes to older games, especially the ones put out by Nintendo, their games tend to be overpriced compared to the older games on Sony and Microsoft platforms.

Nintendo games are overpriced, they are the same as the other at launch but Nintendo never discounts them...... they may be justified in that people keep on buying them at full prices years after release but that doesn't change the fact that the prices alienate budget concious gamers...... Sony just had an amazing sale where I got Tokyo Jungle, Back to the Future and Braid for 0.99 each, the sum for all three games was less than Nintendo charges for a NES VC titile even when they are on sale.......

That was such a great sale! I also got Back to the Future and Tokyo Jungle over the weekend~

Why people aren't respecting Nintendo? Well, there is barely any communication with them - I mean, after years of begging, they finally brought Earthbound, and that was probably only because the WiiU wasn't selling that well, so they wanted to bring something to play, so why not something that wasn't released in EU at all? Same with Operation Rainfall - they say it's not the reason they released these games, but I think without it, the games would never brought any attention to themselves without this.

Region lock is another story and really stupid idea. Same with account system - tying purches to the console is horrendous. It could be good in 2005 or even 2007, but in 2012 people expect better.

Prices are not that big of a deal to me, though - in my opinion, the games are worth it. At least they're awesome and have replay value, so you get your money's worth.

@kodeen
Purchases aren't tied to 3DS systems, anymore. They are working towards it. I don't see what the rush is, as long as they are actually working on it, which they are.

Cross-buy isn't even standard. PS Vita and PS3(not sure if PS4 does it) do it, but not all the games are even compatible. Notice how PS2 and some potential cross-buy games, aren't cross-buy. Even though PS has more cross-buy software, the type of cross-buy everyone is expecting from Nintendo, is alot more fleshed out.

PS Vita can play PS1, minis, and a few cross-buy games.
Everyone expects Nintendo to allow NES, SNES, N64, Sega Genesis, GBA, etc. to run on both, and have potential eShop download games be cross-buy.
Guess which situation would be harder to accomplish? The answer is Nintendo's, because even PS hasn't offered as much as you all expect from Nintendo.

@SCAR392 purchases are still tied to the system in the 3DS as well as on the Wii U, yes now they are tied to the NNID, but NNID is tied to console so the NNID does nothing for you in case you don't have access to the console or can't send it back to Nintendo... and I still waiting to hear any official statement from Nintendo saying they are working on the issue.... at this point there is no indication that Nintendo doesn't plan to untie games from the consoles.....even worst they launched the Pokemon Bank system which is supposed to be a 'cloud' storage system for your pokemon, but your pokemon are also tied to your hardware just as digital games...... if they feel its o.k to charge for a 'cloud' storage system for pokemon that does not even do what 'cloud' storage is suppose to do (allowing you to access the content on different systems) then Nintendo really seem to have no respect for consumers......

@ferthepoet
Dude, if you lose your console, they'll activate the new one, if you call them and tell them the new serial number. They wouldn't have done this, a few months ago, so that proves they are working on it. There have been a couple people, here on the boards, that have confirmed this. I'm not BSing you.

The only issue, is that it's not available for Wii U(as far as I know), and you can't do it, without calling Nintendo.

They've been saying that they are listening to what consumers want from an account system. That's why if someone is telling you info, and you still don't listen, then it's pointless to even talk about the subject.

@SCAR392 if that is true then that would be a great improvement..... but when have Nintendo said they would transfer your account just by telling them the serial number over the phone, I have not heard anything about that

@ferthepoet
Nintendo never said they would, publicly, but people call them and they get you taken care of. Allowing you to transfer your account isn't something they will ask Nintendo Life or any website to publish, but I can assure you that it is happening.

@Juma009
Ok to defend the milking of the Mario series here since I'm a huge Mario fan.......

First of, Nintendo only makes one type of a Mario game in only one system so don't expect 3D land's sequel to come on 3DS anytime soon. Secondly every Mario game is a completely different one and most of them are the ones that people really want like Mario Kart, Golf, RPG's you name it!

So seriously stop saying that milking term because its ridiculous. How come no one complains about COD, GTA, or Pokemon even?????

They've kind of shifted audiences. Anyone remember when Nintendo made a system more powerful than Sony did? That was the Gamecube actually, but Nintendo has shifted it's focus back from that and onto a more casual side of gaming. The other guys are doing big, gritty, adult-oriented games (Though my 8 year old sister loves the inFamous games, lol) like Titanfall, Killzone, Dead Rising, etc. and Nintendo is sticking to family friendly stuff (Smash Bros, Mario Kart, etc.) so it's gonna be branded as a "kiddie" simply due to the fact they are the only ones making games that I'd let a kid play (though the fact parents buy their 8 year olds CoD is another thing). When you cater to the family centric audience like Nintendo does, it's no doubt going to affect how people looking for less family oriented games will look at you.

What world do you live on where no one complains about Call of Duty? Pretty much everyone who doesn't buy it complains about it.

@SkywardLink98
I think the bigger meat of the problem is that we played Nintendo as kids. As we grew up, a good majority of us decided it was a "good thing" to abandon what we liked as kids. Younger generations now want to look like they act maturely, so they look to the "mature" people, and see them playin' the higher ESRB rated games, and ninty's left with it's true fans.

@Artwark the problem is not too much Mario but the lack of everything else..... on the 3DS it doesn't matter because there is third party support but its really hard selling a Wii U to someone who hates Mario

I'm still waiting for all this 3rd party support on 3DS everyone keeps bangin' on about

I'm in the younger generation, and all of my friends that play games play Nintendo. Out of all of my gamer friends only two of us even own a console that isn't Nintendo (myself and one other), and those that do own more Nintendo consoles, so it seems that the majority of 14/15 year-olds play on Nintendo consoles.

Its not just looking mature, its the allure of the forbidden fruit. The fact that those games are rated M means means they're 'not for them' and that allure isn't just tantalizing by itself it make you feel mature cause your doing the "grown up" thing. After all what kid hasn't gotten curious about coffee, alcohol, or whatever else they see the adults enjoying? Its not a younger generation thing, its a growing up thing, and its not just children who do it. Modern games just happen to be much more detailed than ones many of up grew up with.

Nintendo have asked for this by being about as daring with Wii U software as EA are with Madden or FIFA and backing up their efforts with no marketing. Nintendo made a new controller to enhance the way we play games and the only first party games to successfully do that are mini-game collections that have too many bad games within them, holding back the good ones. 3rd parties have been fantastic by comparison. ZombiU, ME3, FIFA13, Rayman Legends and Deus Ex use the gamepad like it was intended. Even CoD and AC enhanced their games sensibly with the gamepad. On the other hand, Nintendo have almost gone out of their way to make the Wii U look bad and to make it look like it's designed purely for gullible fanboys.

Most games on N64 were designed to use the 3D graphics and analog controls. Many games on Gamecube used the new features like pressure sensitive triggers and the c-stick. Nearly every Wii game used some kind of motion or pointer controls. Now for the Wii U we have games that are meant to be major 1st party releases that are sequels that literally bring nothing new and haven't even considered the gamepad.

• Kingdom Hearts 3D
• Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies
• Resident Evil: Revelations
• Tales of the Abyss
• Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D
• Ace Combat: Assault Horizon Legacy
• Senran Kagura Burst
• Shin Megami Tensei IV
• Batman: Arkham Origins: Blackgate
• Code of Princess
• Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoners: Soul Hackers
• Etrian Odyssey IV
• Castlevania: Lords of Shadow: Mirror of Fate
• Yumi's Odd Odyssey
• Etrian Odyssey Untold: the Millennium Girl
• Samurai Warriors: Chronicles
• Dead or Alive: Dimensions
• Super Street Fighter IV: 3D Edition
• Disney Magical World
• Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars
• Tekken 3D Prime Edition
• Pac-Man & Galaga Dimensions
• Rune Factory 4
• Sonic Generations
• Unchained Blades
• Cave Story 3D
• Sonic Lost World
• Hometown Story
• Theatrhythm Final Fantasy
• Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor Overclocked
• Rhythm Thief & the Emporer's Treasure
• Bravely Default
• Professor Layton & the Miracle Mask
• Professor Layton & the Azran Legacy
• Resident Evil: Mercenaries 3D

Sure not everything on this list is for everyone (and I'm even missing a few things), but if you don't think 3DS has good 3rd party support, you aren't looking hard enough (scratch that, you haven't looked at all).