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SKTTR

@TheFrenchiestFry Yeah, that's all correct.

It wouldn't make sense for Nintendo to include a lesser known Final Fantasy or SMT/Persona character when they can have the biggest ones, the faces, the icons. Still, all these characters (with the exception of the three I mentioned earlier) are from series that had multiple exclusive games on Nintendo platforms first, years before Playstation 1 came into existence.

MSX was "Japan's Commodore 64", the countries most popular home computer before the time of Windows PCs. Even though Metal Gear had started its life on a PC, the first Metal Gear console games were on NES. Sure, the MSX original was better and the PS1 game made it really popular, but that doesn't deviate from the fact that Metal Gear was on a Nintendo before it was on a Playstation.
Apart from that, Metal Gear for the NES has the same problem as many games from back then. Is it really that much worse than games that were considered some of the best of their era, like Zelda II, Castlevania II, Metroid, Final Fantasy 123? Not really. They've all just aged a lot and got much better sequels.
Also, Sakurai is knowingly good friends with Kojima (and others in the industry) and that combined with Metal Gear's popularity is probably the biggest factor for Snake's inclusion.

Anyway, Sakurai always needs to strike a good balance between Nintendo's interests (Byleth, Min Min, Steve), his own interests (Ken, Terry, Kazuya), and fan interests (King K. Rool, Ridley, Banjo-Kazooie).

TheFrenchiestFry wrote:

@SKTTR I can see the argument being made for Rayman and Spyro but characters like Conker, Chibi-Robo, Goemon and Bubble Bobble are absolutely nowhere near as iconic to people as Crash was. Crash and Spyro were basically the makeshift PlayStation mascots during the 90's and both were even created by now first-party Sony studios (Crash created by Naughty Dog and Spyro by Insomniac Games)

Well, Chibi-Robo and Goemon are already in Smash, so from Nintendo's point of view they're more important for them than something like Crash Bandicoot. And yeah, I can see that, because I have played several games in both series and they're filled to the brim with fresh ideas, addictive gameplay, extremely fun characters, and fantastic soundtracks.

And the other platformers mentioned are just better from my point of view:

Bubble Bobble was mindblowingly good and was ported to EVERYTHING (NES magazines had Bubble Bobble always in their Top 10, for years!). Any way you look at it, it was the most popular arcade game from 1986, and if you look up "Best Games for any 8-bit system" you will find Bubble Bobble in the top ranks. And the series still goes strong, with at least 3 different games/variations on Switch and tons of Puzzle Bobble clones.
Anyway, Bubble Bobble suffers because of its Square Enix acquisition, just like Bomberman suffers from Konami's acquisition. Square Enix and Konami want their original popular brands in Smash first, and once they run out of their Mana heroes, Chrono Triggers, and Alucards, they might give us a Taito or Hudson Soft fighter.

Conker's Bad Fur Day is hands down Rareware's real masterpiece and N64's technically most advanced game. It's so good that Microsoft wanted it to be Rareware's first Xbox game (and they got it!)

And yeah, I couldn't care less about Crash, Spyro, and Rayman as they were just mediocre attempts to copy Mario and Sonic, but it's not hard to see that Spyro and Rayman have better games than Crash (back then - nowadays it should be even more obvious), so I put them higher.

DarthNocturnal wrote:

@SKTTR
Kinda sounds like you're dismissing a character just because you personally dislike them. But that doesn't magically make them unpopular, anymore then liking a character means they or their franchise must be popular. And sure, not everyone likes Crash... but then, not everyone likes Mario 64, either.

It's not like I don't like Crash, in fact I would place him on #5 for PS1 platformers, after Rayman, Spyro, Klonoa, and Croc. It's just that he wouldn't make my top 10 when I include N64 platformers.

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WCB

I'm having trouble having with the No More Heroes 3 spirit event. I have FU and and Travis but the other one has never appeared. Anyone else having the same problem?

EDIT: Okay, nevermind, I worked it out.

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Grumblevolcano

I was looking at the settings and it turns out that if you have Echo Fighters setting as "Stacked" then the character select screen is 1 character away from a full rectangle which lines up with 1 fighter left. There's no similar setting for stages so stage select is 4 stages away from a full rectangle.

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One hour left to get the NMH3 spirits.

Don't forget to get the Travis Touchdown spirit twice!

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Grumblevolcano

The Direct added 2 more Ultimate newcomers getting mainline games coming to Switch. Richter with Castlevania Advance Collection and Banjo with N64 NSO. This leaves Joker and Kazuya as the only ones that don't.

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YusseiWarrior3000

Sakurai is such a madlad. He delayed the reveal of the final SSBU character to 8 of October, to stole the hype from Nick All Stars Brawl!

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Slinkoy1

Hot take, but if sora is the last smash fighter I will cry, in not a good way. In my opinion sora is just the one character I never want to see ever in smash, because of Disney, which I don’t wan to get into why I don’t like Disney. And everybody would just think he’s cool for two seconds then realize he’s the same generic anime swordsman we’ve gotten all fighter pass. At this point I’m fine with anybody but sora, because of Disney, and his fans, they are so gosh darn annoying.

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Ulysses

@Slinkoy1 I just don't think Disney will agree to Sora. Disney has a palpably tense relationship with Nintendo. For instance, the Switch still has yet to receive a new Star Wars game, or Kingdom Hearts 3.

But, wouldn't it be hilarious if Mickey is the final fighter?

At this point I really have no idea who it will be. I keep defaulting on Waluigi to prevent myself from being disappointed if it really is him.

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Snatcher

@Slinkoy1 It could happen, but I wold really shocked that Disney would let em.

All I want is eggman or tetris.

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VoidofLight

I feel like the final fighter is probably going to be the SMT V protagonist.

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Joeynator3000

Snatcher wrote:

@Slinkoy1 It could happen, but I wold really shocked that Disney would let em.

All I want is eggman or tetris.

I...just want Rayman. I'd be fine with Eggman too, but Rayman makes since if you have played Origins and Legends.

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YusseiWarrior3000

@Joeynator3000 I 2nd that

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Joeynator3000

Most of the fighters in the passes have been kinda "meh" for me, so...I just know I'll be disappointed with this last one (at least Steve's trailer had a funny scene). Also going to guess it's another fighting game character...I dunno...Mortal Kombat.

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Snatcher

@Joeynator3000 He works to, It would be a great end.

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Grumblevolcano

The timing of the Smash news in the Direct makes me think maybe it's a Kirby character like Bandana Waddle Dee. In the past the "before we show you this, here's something else" type announcements have been connected like how at E3 2021 it was mentioned they're still working hard on Metroid Prime 4 before announcing Metroid Dread.

The Smash news came just before the reveal of Kirby and the Forgotten Land.

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Joeynator3000

Eh, I feel like it HAS to be a 3rd party character...it's the final character...it has to be big. No idea if Rayman counts as a big enough deal for that, but...

It was like with Wii U/3DS, the final character being Bayonetta. Something like that.

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Snatcher

TBH I think I would be pissed if it was a kirby character, I mean come on, I would have wanted a kirby character over min min.

@Joeynator3000 I think it will be, pretty big, They have all been.

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Grumblevolcano

@Joeynator3000 While Bayonetta was announced last, Corrin was both revealed in the same presentation and released the same day as Bayonetta.

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Joeynator3000

Whatever happens....PLEASE don't be another freakin' Pokemon! Or Fire Emblem! Or Mario character...(I'll take Paper Mario but that's it, lol)

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