Topic: PS5 Pro's "eye watering, face melting, spine crushing price tag"

@NeonMullet Oh yeah the OLED Switch is a vast improvement over the original. I rarely played games undocked on my original Switch due to how it looked compared to connected to my TV. Now I dont mind especially as you said for games that were meant to be handheld like the Castlevania DS collection.

@Montycircus 'Make mine Mario'

I'll have what he is having!

Never had a playstation. Not going to start now, especially not with that price! Yeeks.

@Yousef-

It's going to depend on the game, of course. I've seen many use cases for bigger games where the improvement is 60%+ at similar settings. Especially in darker games where more of the OLED screen isn't drawing power. It's generally more power efficient as well.

There's a BUNCH of little improvements across the board that Digital Foundry discusses as well. Like, every aspect of the device is touched up in some way.

Worth a watch.

Sony released two of the most beloved games this year and has exclusivity for at least one of the other ones, and Microsoft announced a solid quantity of upcoming games for once, so its amazing they both feel like failing brands because they can't help themselves.

But personally this is really gratifying. Not because I want Sony to fail, but because stuff like this just shouldn't succeed. That combined with my biases continuing to actually just be the correct direction. Wow, I sure do like single player Japanese games (and games inspired by them) that rely on style over pure graphical power, I wonder what's doing well and what isn't in gaming right now?! And they know how to put out more than 3 games a year?! How is that possible?!?!?!?! But yes, keep jacking up the prices, the few people still not living paycheck to paycheck will stick with you and your same half a dozen exclusives.

@RygelXVIII Most people were, I think. On paper, the upgrade doesn't sound great, but a better display really does improve the experience tremendously.

I'd sooner get a PS5 slim. 700 dollars damn! That's more than my monthly rent so I'll have to pass on that.

And you gotta pay extra for a disk drive, nah I’m good lol.

Life is full of difficult choices, you could buy a PS5 Pro, or a set of wheels for a Mac Pro.

I know it's the Pro model and not the base but this does kinda remind me a bit of 2006. When Sony came out and confidently announced the price of the PS3. Assuming they owned the space coming out of the PS2 and could charge whatever they wanted. To which Microsoft and especially Nintendo thought.... hey, there's a gap....

And here I thought that we'd never see the likes of a AU$1,000 console again, much less AU$1,200 (and that's without the disc drive!).

Absolute madness.

I'd have been more forgiving had this launched alongside the base model, but this is just insulting for a console that isn't even a next gen upgrade, merely a mid-gen nudge of a four year old console.

If Nintendo plays (and prices) their cards right, the Switch 2 will be the Wii all over again, providing a unique value proposition while undercutting the competition.

All said though, I think Sony were prudent to announce this sooner rather than later, as I suspect that this would have completely crashed and burned if Nintendo had already revealed their next console.

There was a Nintendo Forecast video on this where they put the price on a chart adjusted for inflation. They plotted it without the optical drive but still. As far as mainstream console launches this is the third most expensive of all time adjusted for inflation

Sega Saturn, PS3, PS5 Pro

I keep seeing consumer reports where people are starting to pull back on vices due to sticker shock. There is a limit to how much draw a “gotta have” vice has.

For me I can afford the pro5 but don’t see a value add. I went from the base 4 to the base 5 so ps4 games already run better for me (I only have six PS5 games vs 750+ switch games and I think 30 series x games). And sadly I am not finding many console exclusive games on PS5 to buy. Since I have all systems my library is prioritized in order of convenience and controller comfort so Switch, Xbox/PC (I use an xbox controller on PC so it’s the same to me, especially since I have gamepass ultimate) then PS.

Plus Sony is putting its exclusives on PC so if they do that for the PS6 it is cheaper to skip the pro5/6 and possibly the next Xbox and just redo my gaming PC. Steam sales alone would give me an ROI that makes it worth it. But I am sad to see Sony lose sight of competitive pricing. Feels like PS3 era all over again.

I think if Nintendo announced the Switch 2 soon, say it's backward compatible, show some big PS4-level games are dropping day one, alongside a new Mario, and end with a $400 USD price tag? That would go down VERY well.

"Switch 2 is HALF the price of a PS5 Pro!!!". That alone would ring around the Internet.

And I think PS4-in-your-hands power is very possible, or else there's no point in releasing a Switch 2.
The Switch OLED is $350 USD, so a $400 price point is conceivable. Once it hits $500 that's much less exciting, and much less affordable for families, so I'm sure they'll try to avoid anything that high.

I like this essay
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/patch-notes-3-the-game...

While the pricing is laughable, I can also see where they're coming from. With Microsoft's endless run of console market own goals, PlayStation probably rightly sees itself as having no direct competition.

While this is true and I do agree with it you'd think these companies would've learned by now how the gaming community behaves. As I said earlier, this has shades of PS3 about it. Where Sony came out saying stuff like "I will work more hours to buy one" and "the generation starts when we say it does". Announce the high price point thinking that they can because they own the market. But all it did back then is make the Wii and 360 look like more attractive options

Obviously this time around the XB brand is in the gutter and Nintendo wasn't then and isn't now competing with an identical product. Plus the non-pro PS5 does exist. However I do think there are some parallels there. And I think between Sony's pricing and the Switch 2 potentially being basically a portable PS4 Pro? I think Japan in particular, who already favour the Switch significantly, could well swing heavily away from Sony

Basically, these sorts of things aren't about one thing or another being a deal breaker. It's more that these kinds of moves give people permission to swap to another platform

@N00BiSH It's really true. I was mentioning in another thread that between PC/Xbox Gamepass and my Switch/Switch 2, I don't see the need for Playstation anymore. Not much value in their ecosystem these days.I thought PS5 was going to be king this gen too.