Video: Here's More Evidence That The Switch Port Of WWE 2K18 Really Is Terrible

Plus they recently removed the screenshot feature from both WWE 2K18 and NBA 2K18. Cherry on the cake.

Actually the Nintendo Switch is a home console first and foremost according to Nintendo, so it should rightly be judged compared to other home consoles.

@Menchi187 Nintendo never lies.

We deserved better than this.

This is why I'll be sticking to my Xbox for 3rd party games

@carlos82 I echo that sentiment. Buy multiplats on PC myself, though portability in large, has these ports still sell on Switch if anything.

I frequently wonder if portability has made a lot of Switch owners far more forgiving of games on the system, which I view as an inherently bad thing. If publishers catch on to that, they will exploit it, no doubt.

Was this the "miracle patch" promised to be coming before release?

@XenoShaun its called WWE 2k19

@w00dm4n Wonder if they'll even bother with a port for Switch. Any smart buyer wouldn't touch anything associated with them with a 20ft barge pole.

Three cheers for the return of "this humble scribe". I thought Thomas was back!

@Curlynob Witness relocation. We aren't suppose to point out his new identity!

It boggles the mind how they could release it in this state! Surely it was played prior?! So that means someone there at some point said “look Just ship it out, who cares! We will promise patches and a fix and we won’t have to deliver as we will make our money back by cutting the price in half plus gamers are fickle they will soon forget”(insert evil laugh)
It’s so crazy to me that in the gaming world it’s acceptable to release an unfinished product! I would like to contact them but I already know it will fall on deaf ears.

@Shiryu lmao I never saw this epic fail by enzo 😂 so glad he has gone!

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Only Reggie the mouth piece does

It's backfiring on them this time anyway. "It's a home console" with almost no home console games and terrible versions of the few it does have.

@Shiryu Haha, nice. Can't train for that. Almost just as useless as a patch that has apparently improved nothing...

The worst thing about it all as they have completely left it to die on switch. Haven’t produced a saving patch that addresses the massive problems the port has and they have completely ignored people on Twitter. Not the best way to treat the people who actually bought this

@Mr_Pepperami defo it has put me off the company massively. I will personally never purchase any of there stuff unless it was reviewed as perfect, they have lost a lot of goodwill with customers.
It’s almost like they don’t realise that this sort of thing ruins their reputation?!

@Deathwalka agreed. It’s a suicidal way to do business. When a game is as bad as this people don’t forget. At least with Rime the developers stuck with it and patched the thing regardless of sales out of pride and duty to their customers. 2k however thought ‘sod em’

WWE should really put their own preasure on 2K to fix things, especially as it's their brand that's being trashed with that game.

Lets be honest Nintendo shouldn't be allowing it on their system!

Just get Fire Pro over to the Switch! With no decent wrestling options on the Switch it seems silly not to!

It amazes me that 2K NBA18 started like that and got fixed to a point that it is an incredible & fun game to play.
I preordered WWE and received an unplayable game but had hopes that it would be fixed just like NBA was but, so far, 2K has not even acknowledge that there is a problem with the game.
Well, the lesson has been learned, never will preorder a 2K game again.
Definitely will wait for reviews to see if the game is good.

@Menchi187 what are you talking about?

They really should have just updated No Mercy with the current roster, added a challenge mode, and made it a Switch exclusive. They'd have sold millions.

Here's hoping we get the EXCELLENT new Fire Pro game.

@faint https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vg247.com/2016/10/20/nintendo-says-switch-is-a-home-system-first-which-means-3ds-is-safe-for-now/amp/#ampshare=https://www.vg247.com/2016/10/20/nintendo-says-switch-is-a-home-system-first-which-means-3ds-is-safe-for-now/

I wanted to buy this game but now... Nope.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE I don't think WWE ever had screenshots enabled (they certainly didn't at launch). When I first noticed it, I assumed it was for copyright reasons.

@JamesR

WWE 2K18 and NBA 2K18 No Longer Take Screenshots on Switch Due to "New Nintendo Policy"

http://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/03/10/wwe-2k18-nba-2k18-nintendo-switch-screenshots/

@SLIGEACH_EIRE interesting. I'm certain that screenshots were disabled at launch.

Anyway, terrible port.

@mailman NBA 2K18 says hello

Visually looks great on switch and hits solid 30fps.

Really is a great port

@SLIGEACH_EIRE
I have my Switch connected to a 50“ display and a pair of Canton speakers. I can play good looking games with different control options on i,t alone or with multiple friends on the same console = home console.
But then again, I can also take it with me and play the same games on the road = portable console.
Problem is, you are judging what a device is only by its graphics.

You still need a home console or PC if you own a Switch. If not - you either missing out or playing a water down experience On tons of games. It is that simple.

The Switch is a handheld with a TV dock in the box.

@Menchi187
The Legend of Zelda - Breath of the Wild, Splattoon 2, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Super Smash Bros., Bayonetta 3, Metroid Prime 4, Dark Souls Remastered, Dragon Quest XI, No More Heroes, Doom, Wolfenstein 2, South Park - The Fractured but Whole,...
Besides, most AAA-games look the same anyway, because everyone wants to make their games as realistic looking as possible.🙄

@Menchi187 I mean what are you talking about with the “no home console games” rhetoric. Btw you do know the only reason nintendo says this is to make money on both sides. There is nothing in the dock. It’s just plastic with a port. The guts are in the machine just like a vita. It is a portable.

A Terrible port. That being said I was desperate for a new wrestling game (last I had was 2k14). Initially play a little bit then dtopped playing this for a bit and was thinking of trading it in, however after some time I realized there are some small aspects of the game that are tolerable (1 on 1, and rumbles) and I'm confident that there will eventually be SOME sort of patch that can make it better.
The fact that they still sell the DLC season pass even though nothings out yet at least gives me that much patch hope.
Never again will I ever preorder a 2K game. Absolutely Never. If they ever get money from me for a game again it will be after a long list of stunning reviews come out, And they REALLY should do something for the Switch owners to make up for this crap. I know theres no chance they would but it would mean a LOT if they just went in and added a few extras like a Broken version of Matt Hardy or some kind of added free DLC.

Does anyone know if FirePro is being ported over?

Just terrible on 2K part, to this day Day of Reckoning 2 still plays better.

@faint
But the dock allows me to connect my Switch to my TV and AV-Receiver with HDMI, it then can also give better graphics and surround sound. I can also use the USB-ports to charge my Pro Controller. So you are wrong in some way.

@MrBlacky mod a hdmi into your 3ds then and it will be a home console. This is the logic you are using.

But I read on this site we have to support these "AAA" publishers and buy their games so they bring more over? Does that mean I have to buy this rubbish?

"Switch versus the Xbox One is a bit like comparing apples to oranges - the Nintendo Switch is a portable gaming device which uses a mobile chipset, so we have to be realistic here."

Both are video game consoles. Switch cost $300, X1 cost $200 to $500 depending on the model, which they never mentioned in the video, original, S or X, but I'll assume it isn't X since they probably would have mentioned that. But they should have mentioned original or S since S is marginally better and Switch should compare better to 4 year old X1 hardware.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-xbox-one-s-has-a-gpu-overclock-and-we-have-benchmarked-it

So, some people might expect spending $300 for a console that plays videogames while hooked up to their TV they would get at least a similar experience to a console that costs $100 less hooked up to a TV. And while yes Switch may also be a portable, Ntineod only sells it with the dock in the box, so that they CAN sell ti as a home console. When Ntineod starts selling it for $250 without the dock, then we can call it a portable, but Ntineod can not BOTH force you to buy a dock that hooks it up to the TV then claim - "Sorry it's not a home console, don't expect graphics similar to other home consoles." We are paying to play the games on our TV, graphics and gameplay should at least be equal to a 4 year old home console that costs $100 less.

Now if you want to compare Switch graphics to a $500 X1X, well I'll grant you that is indeed apples to oranges, X1X is a lot more money, so nobody should expect X1X graphics on a Switch. But X1 or at $100 less, Switch shouldn't be that gimped while playing on a TV. Nitneod is selling it to people as a videogame console that palsy games on the TV, hence the dock in the box.

Now in this case I don't think it's Nintendo's fault, I 100% think it's the game developers fault, or the game porting companies fault, b/c Switch is capable of so much more than this broken garbage. But I disagree that comparing X1 to Switch is apples to oranges as far as what Switch gamers should expect when comparing games on each system. Switch is $100 more, it should be equal to X1 level graphics on the TV. Not 100% the same, the systems have never had 100% similar graphics, not PS3 and Xbox360 nor PS4 and X1, but similar enough that playing the game shouldn't matter. It obviously matters here.

tldr - If Nintneod is going to sell the $300 Switch as a console that can play on TV with the dock people should expect graphics similar to a 4 year old $200 Xbox 1.

I guess its safe to say 2K games are laughing all the way to the bank, with those shoddy Nintendo ports. Great job buying those ports Nintendo gamers, now the fat CEO will just sit at his chair scoffing pizza, with little worry of bankruptcy.

@rjejr
"tldr - If Nintneod is going to sell the $300 Switch as a console that can play on TV with the dock people should expect graphics similar to a 4 year old $200 Xbox 1."
No! Just because the Switch is more expensive, it doesnˋt mean it need to have the same graphics a the other two. It offers more on other levels and if you consider the size and power consumption differences, the Switch is quite impressive.

@faint
What are you talking about? First of all, connecting a 3DS to a TV would just blow up the picture and nothing else, second you would not be able to connect a second (or third, or fourth, or...) controller to play games locally.

Does anyone else think both versions of this game look like garbage....not just the Switch? I would have thought that the Xbone version would have looked much better but it doesn't IMO.

This is all about the developer. They could have done better. Others have, so there's no excuse.

@MrBlacky I can't believe we still have people arguing that because of the price it should match the levels of machines at a similar price.

@MrBlacky that just means the Switch is the first handhels to come with a first party A/V dock in the box.

@electrolite77 the only reason the switch has sub par graphics is because Nintendo cheaped out.....again. There is no reason other then money why we got an old chipset when a newer version was already ready. This was the successor to the Wii U, not the 3ds. So yes it's a home console, regardless of portability. As soon as I found out that we were getting an outdated chip set I knew we weren't getting too many current gen ports. Luckily I've been proven wrong on more than a few occasions now. I'll take slightly less visually appealing ports as long as they aren't broken as is the case here. The switch is by all means a portable that Nintendo wants to sell as a home console. There is no reason why we should lower our expectations because Nintendo cheaped out again. We want home console experiences on this home console called a switch.

@MrBlacky OK, lets put the price issue aside for the moment, people are getting more for their money b/c it's a hybrid, but can you really say Nintedo is selling Switch as a portable with a picture of a TV on the front of the box? Nintendo has always promoted it as a home console in the West. (Japan commercials by contrast rarely have a tv in them.)

So unless you want to say the TV picture doesn't matter, it's not really there, it's a figment of my imagination, then Switch can play games on TVs. And at that point, price does come into play, people expect prices to mean something. An X1X is more expensive than a PS4 or X1 or PS4 Pro, not simply b/c it's newer, but b/c it has more power. Same reason Pro is more expensive than PS4, more power. It actually makes sense that people would expect a $300 system to have equal power to a $200 system next to it on the shelf, not much worse. People pay attention to price. You can mock them or fault them for that if you want, but price is a factor. And if people realize the extra $100 cost is for the dock and Grip, well that still leaves a similar price for the base systems, so the difference shouldn't' be nearly as glaring as it is this the case of this game.

And while Switch does give the added benefit of portability, X1 also has the benefit of a 500GB HDD vs the Switch 32GB and a blu-ray player, X1S even has a 4k player. And X1 has plenty of streaming apps Switch doesn't have. So it isn't just a matter of X1 is a home console, Switch is so much more for the price, X1 also has a lot Switch doesn't have. The graphics should be similar and the game should function. This game barely does either.

@electrolite77 "Anyone expecting a portable to match a home system is"

And when people see these 2 Switch boxes in the store, the boxes with the Switch "portable" in a dock, the Joycon in the Grip looking like a home system controller, and a TV in the background, people are supposed to know that their $300 is going to get them a low powered portable system?

Why would they think that, because companies always put pictures of TV's on their portable gaming systems? How many other portable consoles - PSP, Vita, DS, 3DS - had a picture of a TV on the front of the box?

As I sort of said earlier, had Ntinedo chose to sell the Switch for $250 w/o the dock and sold the dock only as an accessory, maybe even offer both as options like the Wii U and Wii U Deluxe, called them "Switch" and "Switch Deluxe" then yes, people should know it's a portable. But nothing about the Switch marketing says portable. Nintendo went out of their way to sell it as a home console, that's on them, they knew what they were doing when they bundled it, called it a Switch, and put a picture of a tv on the box. And charge as much as other home consoles. (Only portable to ever cost $300 was the Vita w/ cell service, normal Vita was $250, same as the 3DS.)

I agree with you that it is a portable, heck I've been calling it a tablet since before it launched because that's what any sane person would call a handheld device with a touchscreen, a tablet, but Nintendo has been selling that tablet as functioning as a home console, so people should expect it to perform as one. They are buying what Nintneod is selling, can't blame them for that.

@Agramonte
Please stop it!🙄 You can believe as much as you want, adding a dock to the Vita, 3DS or whatever will turn it into a home console, but it simply isnˋt true.

@rjejr
The Switch is pictured as both on the box, as it is both. And Nintendo is promoting it as both, hence as a hybrid console.
And by the way: I‘m not one of those labeling the Switch only as a portable! For me itˋs about 80% a home console and 20% a portable. I always saw it as a hybrid console.

@rjejr yeah because I am sure all these people buying switches are getting it home and then wondering why visually it doesn't look as nice as Xbox one or PS4.

Guess what. They are not doing that.

The price for the switch is bang on correct considering the tech.

Multiple sources have already said this

The game clearly needed another few months in the development pipeline, but leave it to 2K to have to get the game out in time for Christmas. The problem is had they delayed it until Spring, most people would have started to think about waiting for 2K19 and that is the inherent problem with annualized sports games in general. You have a small window to capitalize on their sales (six to eight months) before they get relegated to the bargain bin in anticipation of the new one.

Unfortunately 2k18 on Switch will probably be relegated to the scrap heap of bad wrestling video games along with the likes of the first Raw game on Xbox and Royal Rumble on Dreamcast. It's true some PS4/XBO ports have to be scaled back on Switch, but games like NBA 2k18 and Doom have shown they can at least be competent ports at a very playable 30fps in the hands of the right development team.

@electrolite77 Can you provide an updated statement from the console manufacturer that explicitly says it is a handheld device and NOT a home console? I provided one for my side.

@subpopz and yet it's still the current statement to this day that hasn't been rectified. (btw it's also still called the latest home console on Nintendo's website last I checked earlier this year).

@faint It's marketed and defined by Nintendo as a home console first with hybrid features second. It will be judged as such.

@MrBlacky You were doing so well until you pulled the "hating on what we don't have" card. Oh and notice most are first party or funded by Nintendo. You know what else have strong first party support and lackluster 3rd party support? The sega saturn, the sega dreamcast, the wiiu.

Hell the xbox one is dying in sales and performance, but it still gets the vast majority of those big 3rd party games that every other platform except Switch gets.

@rjejr I thought they dessigned the box really well, yeah there’s a tv in the background but there’s also a hand removing (placing?) the switch to show it’s also portable.
I can’t think how they could have more accurately represented the console on the box art.

@Menchi187
What do you mean by „hating on what you donˋt have“?

@MrBlacky "Besides, most AAA-games look the same anyway, because everyone wants to make their games as realistic looking as possible." comes off pretty salty, usually along the lines of what the Nintendo Defense Force say about anything that isn't coming to Switch. "Doesn't look good anyway!"

@whanvee do you have any idea how much it costs to put that kind of technology in such a small device or the various things you have to account for (like impact) that you don’t have to with a home only system? You should read up on engineering a bit. You clearly don’t understand it.

@Menchi187 in America it is marketed as a home console but in Japan it’s marketed as a portable. Did Japan get a different device?

@Menchi187
😆😆😆😆😆😆😆 I could easily buy a PS4 or XBO if I wanted to play these games! But I donˋt, because most of them for me are [removed] and boring.
And they DO look similar!

@faint
Itˋs marketed everywhere as a hybrid.

@faint Receipts please

@MrBlacky now it’s a hybrid and not just a home console? Back peddle much?

@Kid_Sickarus "the console on the box art."

They did do a good job of showing off what they wanted people to think it was, a home console that you could take with you, and that's what the box shows. It doesn't show the tabelt witht he JOycon attached - whcih is how most peopel think fo Switch. Go ahead, try it, ask peopel to close their eyes adn describe a Switch, they'll likely say "tablet with Joycon controllers attached at each end". Almost nobody is going to close their eyes and say "a tablet in a dock". So, as nice as the box is at showing a home console that you can take with you, which is what they want people to think it is, most people probably see the tablet and Joycon in their head.

But I'm ok with the box, ti works. It works at showing a home console you can take with you. But some people here are arguing it's a portable console, but that's not how it's marketed. A portable console is easy to market, don't show the TV. Don't' show the dock. Sell the console tablet and Joycon connected on the front of the box, on the back of the box write - "dock sold separelty". Simple, done.

I don't have a problem with that box art, nor Nintneod marketing it as a home console, as long as their willing to back that up. Actually I think Ntineod is sticking to it's guns on that better than their fans.

@kobashi100 "wondering why visually it doesn't look as nice as Xbox one or PS4."

No, it's a hybrid, there are trade-offs, it shouldn't look "as nice". But should a $60 game look and play like this? It isn't just black or white, yes or no, it looks the same or it doesn't. PS3 and Xbox360 games never looked exactly the same, but for most people they were "close enough" and functional. And when they weren't, like the original Bayonetta on PS3, people rightly complained about it.

https://kotaku.com/5946442/turns-out-bayonetta-on-ps3-was-a-massive-failure

So while people are willing to accept differences between difference consoles, there is such a thing as levels of difference. And I suspect for most people they do expect the Switch games to look similar to, but not exactly the same as games on X1 and PS4. And when they don't, people should complain. If people weren't expecting the same level of graphics on each system then you could argue this version is ok. Are you willing to argue this is expected and acceptable? Or like the tragedy that was Aliens:CM?

https://kotaku.com/5984024/the-aliens-colonial-marines-demo-looked-great-the-actual-game-not-so-much

@MrBlacky "hence as a hybrid console"

Hybrid? As in 2 in1? Well 1 of those is portable, what's the other? Home you say? Well then it should act as a $300 home console. Well OK it shouldn't function as a $300 home console bc/ it's also a hybrid, but at least as a $200 home console, which is what the 4 eyar old Xbox 1 is, a $200 home console. Not the $500 X1X, and again, if that's what they are comparing Switch to the in thevideo it really should say so, b/c nobody should expect a $300 hybrid to perform as well as a $500 home console. Or even a $400 PS4 Pro console. Both of those are newer more expensive consoles and perform better than their $200 counterparts, as they should. And I'll argue Switch shouldn't be compared to those newer more expensive consoles, but it should be compared to the older models.

If you want to argue it's only a portable that's fine. Take the dock out of the box, call Switch a portable with a lot of optional accessories, one of those accessories being a dock that allows that portable system to output it's portable system graphics to the tv. That's fine. Nobody would expect a portable system with TV out to output dedicated home console graphics. But if you want to argue it's a hybrid, well part of that being a hybrid is the home console part. And if every game ran like WWE, well how much would you be willing to pay for "that" home console?

Nintendo can't have it both ways - they can't market it as a home console - "look how good those graphics are on Zelda and Mario KArt 8 Deluxe" - when it suits them, but then when the graphics suck say - "oh well it isn't a home console." They have to pick one, either it is or it isn't. And if the dock is a mandatory purchase part of the $300 system, then they are saying it's a home console, and it should perform as one. All the time, not just when it suits them.

Again, I'm not blaming this WWE train wreck on Nintendo, this isn't their fault, Doom, Skyrim, Splatoon2, Zelda, ARMS, the Switch does have some great looking home console quality games. My issue isn't with the Switch's performance. My disagreement is with this article saying you can't compare Switch to other home consoles, in this case the Xbox 1, whichever model they choose, b/c the Switch isn't a home console. B/c you know the same people saying you can't compare the Switch to a home console in this article are the same people saying how great of a home console the Switch is when it performs well. I just can't stand hypocrisy and people trying to have ti both ways.

I aslo really dont' liek people saying "Oh, peopel shodl knw better before buying one that it isn't going to compare to other home cosnoles" when Nintedo has clearly been marketing it since day 1 as a home console experience you can take with you. They've never once said or claimed - it's a portable console you can plug into your Tv if you want, just dont' go expecting home quality level graphics, it isn't a home console, it's a portable with TV out.

And no, that isn't just semantics. Promoting a cheap portable with TV out is nto the same as promoting a home console you can take with you. One obviously sounds like a big deal, one obviously sounds like old news. Nintneod knows what they are doing, and I'm fine with that as long as they are consistent, adn their fans are consistent, and don't try to have it both ways, home when it can keep up, portable when it can't. That's dishonest.

@Menchi187 do you need someone to teach you how to use google? I thought you were a big boy.

@electrolite77 "they'd know it wasn't a standard home System"

No, it's a hybrid, a home console you can take with you. But that is the marketing - all covered exhaustively above, sorry I didn't get your comment until after I was done. It's marketed as a home console that's portable, not a handheld with optional TV-out mini-HDMI port. So I do think people expect home console quality.

I'm not going to insult people b/c they've seen Nitnedo's ads with Skyrim, Zelda and MK8D playing on a TV and those games look like home console games. They certainly don't look like 3DS games. That's the Switch marketing, almost all of it in the West, Switch on TV playing beautiful home console quality games. So if you want to fault people for expecting what Ntineod is selling, well that's your choice I guess, but I'd fault Ntinedo as much as the consumers.

As I said in the long post above, I don't fault Ntintendo, for the most part Switch has proved itself to be a home console competitor with games like Skyrim and Doom and Zelda, which was never going to run on the 3DS, and probably not even the Vita, the only other handheld game in town. I fault people who praise Nintendo when the Switch does well, but then fault other people's intelligence when it does poorly, saying "well what did you expect, it's a portable, it's not home console". I don't like people trying to have it both ways.

I just reread my post #47, which I think makes my point fairly clearly, post #75 above gets into some more examples but it's overly wordy.

@faint
@faint @faint
„I have my Switch connected to a 50“ display and a pair of Canton speakers. I can play good looking games with different control options on i,t alone or with multiple friends on the same console = home console.
But then again, I can also take it with me and play the same games on the road = portable console.
Problem is, you are judging what a device is only by its graphics.“

„The Legend of Zelda - Breath of the Wild, Splattoon 2, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Super Smash Bros., Bayonetta 3, Metroid Prime 4, Dark Souls Remastered, Dragon Quest XI, No More Heroes, Doom, Wolfenstein 2, South Park - The Fractured but Whole,...
Besides, most AAA-games look the same anyway, because everyone wants to make their games as realistic looking as possible.🙄“

„But the dock allows me to connect my Switch to my TV and AV-Receiver with HDMI, it then can also give better graphics and surround sound. I can also use the USB-ports to charge my Pro Controller. So you are wrong in some way.“

„No! Just because the Switch is more expensive, it doesnˋt mean it need to have the same graphics a the other two. It offers more on other levels and if you consider the size and power consumption differences, the Switch is quite impressive.“

„What are you talking about? First of all, connecting a 3DS to a TV would just blow up the picture and nothing else, second you would not be able to connect a second (or third, or fourth, or...) controller to play games locally.“

„Please stop it!🙄 You can believe as much as you want, adding a dock to the Vita, 3DS or whatever will turn it into a home console, but it simply isnˋt true.“

„The Switch is pictured as both on the box, as it is both. And Nintendo is promoting it as both, hence as a hybrid console.
And by the way: I‘m not one of those labeling the Switch only as a portable! For me itˋs about 80% a home console and 20% a portable. I always saw it as a hybrid console.“

„What do you mean by „hating on what you donˋt have“?“

„😆😆😆😆😆😆😆 I could easily buy a PS4 or XBO if I wanted to play these games! But I donˋt, because most of them for me are [removed] and boring.
And they DO look similar!“

So where exactly did I call it "just a home console"? 🤔

@faint I thought so. I provided evidence from the company, you resorted to ad hominem because you're out of ideas and can't prove your side. Thank you

@electrolite77 My bizarre agenda is "it looks and performs worse than cheaper alternatives in 99% of situations when using as a home console, the primary function of the device, and even worse in the secondary mode of the device"?

I mean, I know modern Nintendo fans are allergic to 3rd party support, but logic and facts too? Damn....

@Menchi187 1st was that evidence addressed to me because I didn’t see it.
2nd Not At all bud. I’m just tired of edgelords wanting receipts for common knowledge things constantly.

@Menchi187 How is it a primary function when the dock doesn’t have a processor or chips? It’s literally just plastic.

@faint It was my first reply to you, where I linked the statement from Nintendo saying it is a home console first and it's hybrid features are secondary, like I've been saying this whole time.

@Menchi187 That doesn’t change the fact that it is primarily marketed as a portable in Japan now does it? The only reason they said this was so they could continue selling 3ds consoles. The dock has no guts. Didn’t you use the example earlier of connecting 4 controllers up in docked mode? You can do that without the dock.

I wasn't going to buy it anyway. Modern wrestling games are unappealing to me. Day of Reckoning is still my favorite.

@Dizzy_Boy WWE is the alleged reason the Switch port was pushed out before it was ready in the first place.

They don't care about quality, the current state of the main roster's booking could tell you that much.

Solid gold...

@faint Marketing is only the clever disguise for shortcomings. A product announced and defined as a home console, is delivering numbers and experiences lesser than cheaper available competition.

If the Switch it is a handheld, no one should ever be allowed to ask "where's the Switch port?" because they didn't ask "where's the 3DS port?

@MrBlacky Mind your language!

@Menchi187 the difference between the specs of a switch vs ps4 and a 3ds vs ps3 is gigantic and you know this. Heck the switch has more power than the wiiu and the wiiu slightly edged out the ps3.

@MrBlacky no idea why you pointing out ancient tech. I can dock my iPhone and play tons of games in HD on my TV with a MFI controller. But 2 sec playing AC:O and MH:W on my PS4 reminds me exactly what it is - a phone with an AV dock.

Let it go - the Switch is the best Handheld ever created with an AV dock in the box with the modern benefits of a TypeC connection. Everything else is just marketing nonsense.

@faint They can just take the Switch approach and cut it down. to 240p, create even smaller textures, remove all sorts of settings, etc to make it run on there. I mean Doom is unacceptably low, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 runs in sub standard definition sometimes and still barely breaks 20fps in the secondary handheld mode. There is clearly no "floor" to where they can cut down to so they have no excuse to not put whatever they want on whatever they want if it's not a power thing.

There is a reason everything is announced for everything bar Switch. End of story.

@Menchi187 did you not comprehend my point?

@faint I did, it's just wrong.

@Menchi187 how exactly is it wrong that the the switch and base level ps4 are closer in terms of power difference than the 3ds ps3?

Best to go with the other console for this game if you need that WWE fix. 2K, you need to do better with Switch.

@faint Irrelevant was the world I shoulda used. My point still stands which means we're done here.

@Menchi187 your point is still incorrect. I imagine we are done because you know this.

@faint No, still waiting on your receipts. My point is perfect.

@Menchi187 is it really impossible for you to use google?

@faint I provided mine, which correct reinforced what I said, which can't be said about your incorrect statement and lack of proof since it doesn't exist. Which is clear since you are dodging your inability to provide it, since it doesn't exist.

Now, I'll go play some real games because I can and I'll bother replying again when you can prove me wrong with them.

Spoiler alert: You can't.

Just ask for a refund and be done with it.

@Menchi187 how do I post pictures on this website? I have the proof from Pokemon.jp.net but you will just deny it if I can’t post the image.

@Menchi187 real games? Are you a child or what?

@faint logistics is not something I'm well versed on but I've been gaming on Nintendo since the first NES. I've been reading about Nintendo since I could read. I know the old guard, the guy Iwata replaced had the idea of using old technology to lower production cost at the forefront of their business models. The one time Nintendo went all out on Graphics was the cube. Which yielded luke warm results, as far as sales went. So yes Nintendo cheaps out. All the logistics of getting these things to work the way they do is soaked up by the research and development branch at Nintendo. Just look at the Wii. Besides having the graphical capacity of two GameCubes we got no DVD player....because it would cost more...same on the Wii U. Nintendo are cheap bastards....genuis cheap bastards, but cheap anyways. At the end of the day making money is their priority and sadly sometimes cheaping out is the only way to get that bottom line numbers they want. Being a Nintendo gamer for nearly 30 years now I've made peace with those facts. It doesn't mean that it doesn't bum me out that they continue to do it.

@whanvee I would argue they didn’t with the switch tho. Look at any other portable on the market. It’s very expensive to put that much tech in a small device and have it run that well. Heck look at all the technology in the joy cons. I have a ps4 pro and what it does as a home console is impressive. What the switch does as a portable is also incredibly impressive.

@faint I see what you are saying but regardless this is a console to a degree. To get the best experience out of the switch, docked is usually the way to go ( albeit some games tend to run better portable lol) I take it you just see it as a portable? I guess many will see it like this, but there are several announcements from Nintendo when it released saying this is a console first, regardless if that’s just a selling point, the dock does upgrade the gameplay where it is a home console. Playing an iPad on your tv or the 3ds example you gave doesn’t really upgrade the play in anyway does it? I wonder if more people class it as a portable then a console? Be interesting to see..more people probably see it as a portable though?

@whanvee oh FYI I’ve been playing nintendo consoles since I was eight and I’m thirty six. There is nothing cheap about the switch. I’m surprised the don’t lose money on it actually. I’m surprised the even used multi touch capacitive screens when there are cheaper options.

@Deathwalka that’s just their marketing. They think there are two types of gamers portable/home and want to sell to both. All the guts and everything that makes it work is in the system. The dock is just plastic. The only reason the clock speed goes up when you put it in the dock is the battery. They could easily launch a firmware update so it would play the same regardless of how you played but the battery life would take a hell of a hit.

@faint Honestly, when they revealed the joy cons I realized that we wouldn't be getting the X2 in the switch. I knew a large part of the consoles cost would be the controllers. I'm very happy with my switch but I would have gladly paid an extra fifty to one hundred bucks for a bit more umphh.

@MFD I think that "portability" does seem to give a pass from many Switch owners for some performance issues. I've lost count at the amount of times I've read that somebody was waiting for a Switch version of a game so they can olay it on the go. I guarantee if this was a home console only 2K wouldn't have released it like that in the first place, they'd have simply admitted it couldn't run on Switch but the small screen can mask some issues that are cruely exposed on the TV

@faint I think they learned from the Wii u about capacitive screens. They got a lot of crap because the Wii U didn't have one. It did do just about anything else you could think of but developers just couldn't figure out what to do with all those gadgets and gizmos on it. It's sad really there was still a lot of good games that should have taken advantage of the Wii us capabilities. I've been gaming on Nintendo since I was 4.5 and couldn't even hook up my own system. Now at nearly 33 I've passed my love of all things Nintendo onto my three kids, with varying levels of results,lol. I think Nintendo found a way to recycle all of those old Wii U HD for the switch and choose to have a less impressive chip set in order to save some cash. No one was guaranteeing their consoles success and I'm sure even though they went all out with the switch some things were done to make it affordable yet still awesome.

@subpopz There must be school holidays or something, either that or he's been on the Sunny D...regardless, my bingo card is coming along just fine.

@carlos82 Aye, and because that's excused due to portability, it won't be improved on the big screen either. A problem of being a "hybrid"

@faint good point, battery would take a hit but yeah they could defo run it the same.

It indeed looks horrendously bad. However, looking at the XBone comparison....it actually looks pretty amazingly bad there too.

Lesson of the day: Bad game is bad.

@NEStalgia And yet, is this version more excused due to portability? That's what I want to know. If a bad game is bad, then it's still bad even if you can take it with you, right? But is that the prevailing mindset?

@Tank207 much like most licenced games then.

the fact that WWE 2k18 got Roman Reigns on cover is how i knew its terrible! I'm rooting for a Ronda Rousey cover next year (and a much better game)

Wow, what happened in here??? Jesus, you take your eyes off the kids for a few minutes and it goes to hell

@MFD nah this port is universally hated. I think #wwe2k18refund even trended on twitter for a moment.

Take Two really needs to build a new engine for the WWE games. The one that they use now is from 2000 and is put together with spit and duct tape.

@faint Pretty sure there are other examples of Switch ports being excused on account of portability. People should consider that it also affects the other mode which has nothing to do with portability.

2K is like Milestone. They are doing a terrible job with their Switch ports, which are so bad that it seems like they really need to get a better team on it.

@Deathwalka The gaming world decided that it's not acceptable hence the slamming in reviews. If Switch had a refund system like Steam we'd see something almost like Arkham Knight PC.
Too bad WWE fans will just buy whatever crap bears the label. There hasn't been a good WWE game in how long now? Buying the crap ones won't make devs think there's an interest in WWE games but it will just assure them that they can be as lazy as they want with them

@Menchi187 An article from October 2016 isn’t a very good reflection on Nintendo’s views of the Switch as a portable system.

Firstly that Christmas the Wii U was abandoned and along with the NES Classic, the 3DS was where they were making some money. They had to encourage 3DS sales knowing they’d just announced another more powerful portable system.

Secondly 2017 happened and the Switch went in to become one of the fastest selling consoles of all time over a 12 month period.

If you look at the focus it seems relatively clear the Switch is Nintendo’s priority in terms of all gaming. There’s a few 3DS titles on the horizon sure, but even some of those were almost a foot note to a Switch version such as the case was with Captain Toad.

It is widely accepted that Nintendo was cautious in the lead up to the Switch, especially when it came to positioning the 3DS. This is the same company that prior to its launch said the DS wasn’t a Gameboy replacement. The fact they are continueing to push models without 3D in pursuit of a cheaper console also says where the system is in its lifecycle.

I'm actually quite looking forward to playing this as a buggy mess when I can find it for a few quid in a bargain bin somewhere. I won't even bother updating, it should make for quite an amusing experience.

I feel like there should be some kind of new quality control seal of approval set up a bit like the ESRB. A game can only put the stamp on it's box or digital icon if it passed quality control from a fan made collective. This would put a lot more pressure on game publishers to allow time for the Devs to properly finish their games before release. At the least it would speed up the efforts put into bringing out a patch to fix problems or performance.

It's a sorry excuse for a wrestling game on any platform, gotta hope the new fire pro makes it to switch.....RAINMAKER!!!!!!!!

@jcurls Okada is the god damn man!!

@MFD I never said the switch doesn’t have a title where portability is an excuse for a game running different. I just said this isn’t one of them. This on is universally panned.

@Old-Red It's not "amusingly bad", the game is just plain unplayable. A game based around timed button presses is slow and unresponsive. Just watch some vids of it and keep that money for something worth actually investing in.

I played PitFighter on the Genesis back in the day. It wasn’t that bad.

@electrolite77 "copying and pasting previous posts which suggests I've got involved in this too much!"

Yeah, you and me both. 138 posts and about 3 mention WWE2k18.

I thought about it a little more last night and nobody has really touched upon this aspect, and I'm not exactly sure how to get my point across without a wall of text, but here goes.

People saying Switch's graphics shouldn't be compared to a current (since you mentioned old Skyrim and MK8D ports) home consoles graphics b/c it isn't a home console miss 1 very important point, maybe 2, but 1 is more to my point.

Wii was a home cosnole the same time as PS3 and Xbox 360. I think Switch is much closer in graphics to a Xbox 1 than Wii was to an Xbox360, but those 2 consoles WERE BOTH HOME CONSOLES. Nintneod had a dedicated home console which had much worse graphics than the other 2 current then home consoles. Much worse, the obvious SD vs HD, Wii was almost unplayable on an HD tv. But they were all 3 home consoles, and we all compared the graphics back then. So to say now, well you can't compare Switch to X1 b/c 1 is portable, well I think the comparison nwo is actually fairer than it was back then, back when Nitnedo had a dedicated home console, just one that was much weaker than the other 2.

So that's point 1, Wii was worse off compared to PS3/X360 than I think Switch is to PS4/X1. But we compared them anyway b/c they were all home consoles. So to me it shouldn't matter what Switch is, home, portable, hybrid, if we could compare Wii, we can compare these.

2nd point
Gamecube PS2 Xbox
Wii PS3 Xbox360
Wii U PS4 X1
Switch PS5 X2

Switch better be able to run X1 and PS4 games, b/c in 18 months or so it's actual current gen comparative hardware will launch, and it's really not going to hold up to well then. So let's enjoy it while we can.

@Lizuka indeed my bad...in my defence they look kinda similar though!

@electrolite77 Last point on the whole - can Switch be fairly compared to other home consoles or not?

Several games appeared on both 3DS and Wii U, Nintnedo's portable and home consoles. Yoshi Wooly World, SSB, Hyrule Warriors, DKCR. As far as I can tell, in the US at least, all of those games were $60 on the Wii U and either $30 or $40 on the 3DS.

And while those are the only games I can think of on both so they make good examples, there have been other series on both - Mario Kart, SM3DL & SM3DW - that continue the same tradition, $60 on home consoles, $40 on handheld. Nearly every one of Ntinedo's 1st party games are either $30 or $40 on portables but $50 or $60 on home.

All the Switch games, even 1 2 Switch, have been $50 or $60.

That makes them home console prices, which I argue makes them home console games, so they can be fairly compared to similarly priced home console games on PS4 and X1.

Octopath Traveler would have been $40 on 3DS as well, like the Bravely Default games, which to me it looks similar too, but it is $60 on Switch. B/c it's a home console.

I actually enjoy playing WWE 2K18 and haven’t had any problems with it. Everyone here is to spoiled. I remember the old. SNES from Nintendo. That thing had problems. Nintendo is improving and I’m disappointed that WWE 2K 19 wasn’t released for the Nintendo Switch. I hope that 2K Games reconsiders, fixes the issues everyone is complaining about and releases the game for the Switch.