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FIFA 18 is EA's first title for the Nintendo Switch, and as you might imagine, it's getting a lot of attention as a result. FIFA is one of gaming's biggest global brands and by bringing the series to Switch, the publisher is certainly making a statement. However, there are already doubts regarding how the Nintendo version will shape up against the mainline editions on PC, Xbox One and PS4 - all of which use the powerful Frostbite Engine, while the Switch version utilises "custom" tech.
Speaking to Eurogamer at E3, producer Andrei Lazaresco has been fielding questions regarding what's different about the Switch version when compared to the others. He reiterates that the game engine isn't Frostbite and it's not Ignite - the engine that powered last year's FIFA - either:
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When we first started looking at the platform and asked what are its unique features and what can it do, we decided to build a custom version of an engine. We felt the experience we were going to build would be the best by doing that, and leveraging what is unique about the platform.
We're using physical-based rendering. The crowds are 3D. The grass is 3D. The lighting is new.
So is Frostbite not being used on Switch because the hardware can't handle it? Not really, according to Lazaresco:
It's not that you can't get Frostbite on it. It's just that we felt this custom-built engine would build the better experience. I'm not a tech person. I create games. I know what the game should feel like. Me seeing people actually enjoying the game, for me means the world.
Lazaresco also addresses the inclusion of Ultimate Team - a first for the series on Switch - which, while not as fully-featured as the one seen on other platforms, does offer some big benefits:
Andrei Lazaresco: ...you'll have Ultimate Team for the first time on Nintendo - and for the first time you'll be able to take it on the go. You'll be able to play on a plane, on a bus, even from just a hotspot.
Eurogamer: Does it have Icons?
Andrei Lazaresco: It does. Ronaldo is the first Icon.
Eurogamer: Does FUT on Switch work exactly the same as it does on the other platforms?
Andrei Lazaresco: Almost the same. There won't be any Champions on Switch.
Eurogamer: Why not?
Andrei Lazaresco: For the first year we put in Draft Mode, Squad Building challenges, Seasons, Tournaments, Team of the Week challenges - all of those are there. Remember, this is the first year we introduce Ultimate Team to Switch players. We're taking it gradually. We're going to announce more about Ultimate Team at Gamescom later this year.
Eurogamer: Will you be able to buy packs in the same way on Switch?
Andrei Lazaresco: Yeah, in the same way, but through Nintendo, obviously.
Eurogamer: So, FIFA coins?
Andrei Lazaresco: Yeah. The core of Ultimate Team, everything you know about Ultimate Team is retained within Switch. Imagine, for example, an airline that provides Wi-fi - you'll be able to connect to Ultimate Team. Sure, maybe we won't be able to play a match together, but you'll still be able to connect for the transfers and manage your club.
Keen to establish just how many of the wider innovations seen in FIFA 18 will make it into the Switch version, Eurogamer also quizzed the producer regarding the overhauled animation system. In FIFA 17, a new animation would be drawn with every player step, while in FIFA 18 on PS4, Xbox One and PC, a new animation is drawn every single frame.
Lazaresco admits that the Switch version lacks this improvement, but it's not quite as simple as that:
We used the fundamental base of FIFA code and innovated it. These are normal animations, so we're not using that new system.
Yeah, if you want to make a comparison. But everything you see is custom-built, so I wouldn't compare it to anything else, because there is no reference point. This is the first game we put on Nintendo Switch. It's not that game downsized. It's not gen three up-rezzed. It's something that has been built with this console in mind entirely.
The lack of Frostbite means that one of FIFA 18's biggest modes - the new and improved Journey single-player mode - isn't available on Switch. Lazaresco feels that because this is a very different beast when compared to the other domestic versions of the game, the lack of this mode shouldn't be seen as a deal-breaker:
The Journey is powered by Frostbite. When we looked at the platform and its unique features, we made the choice of custom-building the game. And while it doesn't have The Journey, it's still the best portable FIFA experience we ever did. It has Ultimate Team, which is our most popular mode. It has Career Mode, and you'll be able to play as a manager and a player. It has local seasons, kick off, tournaments, seasons, it has all of that.
I would definitely not get hung up on the fact it doesn't have The Journey. I would take this as a completely different FIFA experience on a completely different platform.
The good news is that the Switch version will run at 60fps and boasts improved crossing and hard tackling, both of which are major improvements in the "main" editions. Lazaresco is confident that despite the differences, it will be one of the best Switch titles ever when it launches in September alongside the PS4, Xbox One and PC entries:
Every time you put a new game on a new platform for the first time, it's not easy. There are technical challenges. There are design challenges. What we've ended up with, what we're going to launch in September - it's going to launch at the same time as all the other platforms - I have absolutely no worry saying we've built one of the best games you'll be able to play on the Switch. Even putting aside graphics, even putting aside gameplay, it just feels right.
It's a portable FIFA. It's the best portable FIFA we ever did. It has a lot of features and you can play in all of the possible configurations the console has. You can play handheld, docked, with a single Joy-con, with dual Joy-con, with a Pro Controller. And if you have a console and I have a console, even without an internet connection we can play with each other. We call it Local Seasons. It's basically a five match season that we together can play even without an internet connection. It's sort of local Wi-fi.
Finally, Eurogamer asked if we could potentially see FIFA on Switch reach parity with the other versions in the future. Lazaresco was fairly non-commital:
I wouldn't close the door on that. But I wouldn't make any promises either. We need to see where the platform goes from here.
From a technical standpoint, the platform is not on a par with the PS4 or the Xbox One. You can't just take that [the PS4 version] and put it here [on Switch]. It doesn't work like that. But, I get the question. When people get their hands on it, they will enjoy it. Regardless of The Journey or not, this is packed with features, and all of them you can take them on the go. That is by far the most important thing.
Now you've heard more about FIFA 18 from one of the team behind the game, are you more or less excited about it? There's no denying that being able to crack out a multiplayer soccer match anywhere at anytime is going to be a massive selling point, but if EA can't keep the Switch version close to the other editions then it may struggle to attract consumers.
Let us now what you think by whipping a cross into the comments field below and seeing if your lanky striker can get his head on the end of it.
[source eurogamer.net]
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I'm giving it a shot. I like soccer, and this - while not being completely on par with the other versions - is far from the "Legacy Edition" that I thought we would end up getting. From the sound of it, it seems like they legit put some real effort into this game.
Not exactly found of the "But you can take it on the go!" mindset, but at least Nintendo owners are getting the game.
Yea I'm excited. We all are.
@UK-Nintendo Idd. I was cynical at first, but it is clear EA have made an effort.
I appreciate their comments, but I don't like soccer. Period. Lol
I would like to finally try out battlefield or star wars tho....🤔
It's soccer so that's enough for me to not care. I'm not going to get a Switch unless there is substantial third party support. If they won't bring more games to the system if FIFA doesn't sell then I am not interested in the system. First party titles alone don't cut it for me. I have to see substantial third party support to get me onboard.
"It's the best portable FIFA we ever did"
vs
"It's the worst console FIFA we ever did"
I commented earlier about the interview here:
https://www.nintendolife.com/forums/nintendo-switch/fifa_18_on_switch_is_based_on_ignite#reply-07
This is the game's producer, of course he's going to defend the shortcomings. It's not terrible but neither is it great. It's about middling. It doesn't look much better than FIFA 13 on Wii U, maybe incrementally better graphics, though the player animations are smoother.
They should give us Direct feed footage instead of us feeding off scraps of off-screen footage from a few sites. This version of FIFA is treated like some mutant child, shunned away in the attic while the main version hogs the limelight. The one screenshot they posted on its separate FIFA page isn't even properly in focus.
Meh, it's soccer and I don't like those type of games.
Why you should care:
If you don't then they stop supporting the Switch
@Xaessya I don't think their support was ever going to go beyond their sports catalogue. If this sells then they'll think Switch owners will accept mediocrity and maybe we can then look forward to watered down versions of Madden. The more taxing games like much of what was shown last night in their conference have little if any chance of turning up on Switch.
It's the same lose-lose situation we had on Wii U:
Buy our butchered ports or we'll ditch support.
But let's say you do support it. Wouldn't that send the message that cut features and whatnot are fine? So future "support" will also be downgraded games compared to other versions, no?
It didn't work on Wii U, I doubt it'll work on the Switch. If you want to attract the audience, I'd say parity is a must.
I look at it as a stepping stone. The hybrid nature of the Switch means a lot of game engines won't work as a one size fits all unless you want an hour of battery life undocked.
So I see this as EA trying to figure out the stress points of the switch and that if the game does well they will incorporate that modified engine (since it isn't ignite exactly and it isn't frostbite either) into either frostbite 3.5 or 3S or something. I'd rather they optimize the engine or create an offshoot for switch than attempt to stuff frostbite on Switch with lower textures but tons of lag and physics glitches as well. Sports games don't have to be shiny but they do need to play well and for switch that means docked and undocked. Not that fifa is looking ugly on switch mind you. My last Fifa was 16 (still on ignite) so I think it looks great.
That may even be part of the reason as to why Switch is only getting Fifa instead of Madden and Fifa a la WiiU (and the Wii I think...); they may be trying to build a benchmark so they can port next year's full suite (provided Fifa doesn't tank) to the Switch. This is EA so I'm cautiously optimistic here but this version of Fifa looks pretty good (the majority of the main modes are present) and I'll give it a shot.
Of course I'll be watching EA like a hawk to see where they go with this, but I won't dismiss the game out of hand short of reviews saying it is a gameplay train-wreck.
Edited for clarity.
I'll give it a shot. As far as sports games go I usually just play games here and there at me leisure. So a long story/season mode is not a must for me. But I do see the need for it to have a little more parity with the other versions. Just like others have said we run the risk of no more support if it bombs, but then we run the risk of always getting watered down versions if we do. Oh well.
They've definitely got my support.All I wanted was a FIFA that is going to have all the main online modes the others have had for years and they've delivered on that.Graphically it looks closer to FIFA 16 on Xbox One than it does to last gen.I'm not bothered about the Journey mode not being there,I didn't expect it to be.For a first attempt,they've gone beyond what i expected and for that they get my support day one.
I only really played NHL games in the sport genre like this, anyone know if we get that for the Switch? I might actually give it a try, haven't played an NHL game since 1998.
Kudos for the interview but it's pointless. THE game is a lesser version. I Didn't love the journey but if i find out it's been improved for PS4 and I pay the same price as the PS4 version and am missing something I could have for the same price... see the difficulty.
So let someone cut the corporate talk, the shaky reasons for the different versions, talking up how we are getting the full features(though literally we are not). End of the day, it comes to playing FIFA on the go. And most things equal I want FIFA in the go. It sucks, because I know I have to buy this to continue support for what has become my favorite platform. It just rankles me that the choice is to pay the same price for less or else get no Switch support.
I don't like football At All.
I Only care about The Sims series from EA.
EA, please consider The Sims 4 for Switch....
@Arngrim EA doesn't like to port out NHL. We can't even get it on PC. I'm hoping though. Honestly if we get NHL (and UFC) on the switch I'll forgive the past 10 EA transgressions.
@OorWullie couldn't have said it better myself
I don't play any EA games but I think they've done everything they can to give the Switch the best FIFA they can. It's not as powerful as a PS4 so it can't have the same version. Not possible.
If it sells well, future Switch versions, although not looking quite as good, will get the same features.
It's gameplay that matters people!
I'm torn between giving them credit for making something ground up for the Switch and trying to read between the lines looking for the caveats. He mentions not being able to play a game online over Wi-Fi, just trades and managing the team, but he fid talk about being on a plane. They put a lot of emphasis on local multiplayet being almost like Wi-Fi. And he emphasized the DLC will go thru Nintendo, which just be code for "if we don't like the way they handle it we'll drop it."
But if it launches same day as the others and Wi-Fi works fine, is NBA Playgrounds still waiting on an update?, I think the Journey is a fair tradeoff for portability and local matches. It may feel like the short end of the stick, but trade-off is better than simply cut, dumbed down or nothing.
"FIFA 18 is EA's first title for the Nintendo Switch,"
Is there a second EA title for Switch? Honest question.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
But it's not the worst console FIFA. It surpasses PS3/360 versions easily, and since Story Mode wasn't added until recently, as well as the new engine, it easily sits on par with the early PS4/X1 entries.
That, on a portable gaming system, is freaking insane. So it's by far the best portable version and a competent, mid grade console version. All for the price of one. That makes it the version to own.
@darkgamer001 Wii had the worse version of FIFA, but at least EA made Dead Space Extraction, which was a really good game.
@rjejr About the Wifi part,he was just meaning the connection on a plane likely won't be strong enough to play a proper game but you'll still be able to manage your Ultimate Team.
@Other-Brother
Completely agree. Its not the graphisc it's the game modes that rankle. I would rather have all modes with vita graphics. I'm leaning towards getting it, but as a PS4 owner, you'll have a hard time getting most PS4 owners to pay the same price for less modes and say" but it's the best version ever on portable".
You're making it for the best portable system, so I would figure so. I see a trend of companies not making games for Switch or making a game that won't sell due to being lesser versions.
I just wanted E3 to show me a reason to be confident in the support the Switch would garner and right now I'm a little nervous.
Don't really appreciate the "it's portable FIFA" as a justification for this clearly watered down port, but it does seem like they've put some degree of effort in. I can also appreciate that it hits 1080p60 docked and 720p60 portable, despite the constant bleating from third parties that the Switch isn't capable. Makes it seem like EA wasn't as lazy with the port as we initially thought.
Probably won't buy it because I've never been overly interested in EA's sports games but I can appreciate what appears to be a good amount of effort.
@Rumncoke25
Technically it doesn't have less modes. It has one less mode but also offers one new, Switch exclusive mode... tit for tat.
I don't think it's that hard getting a PS4 owner to pay the same price they would have paid, and simply exchange 1 mode for 1 different mode and get an entire handheld version free as a result, with no need for cross save uploads or some cumbersome 5 minute process to transfer your progress before leaving, and do it all again when you get home. And it's not some actual watered down Vita or 3DS version. This thing comes pretty dang close to parity with the current PS4/X1 versions. Not quite but almost. It's like sacrificing 1% of the game for a $60 handheld version included free of charge.
I mean, if a PS4 owner also owns a Switch, then they obviously care about portability. And I don't see a person who cares about portability flushing it down the toilet for the sake of slightly better graphics when at home and story mode instead of Kickoff mode.
@rjejr
Oh it's more than a fair trade off. Story mode in a sports game (when it already has single player season campaigns) vs an entire handheld version... it's a no brainer. By the way I think he meant wifi on an airplane isn't the best place to try to play online. It's been confirmed the game will have full online.
I hope it's half the price on Switch otherwise they can kiss my .......cheeks
I have to admit, it's a good effort on EA's part, and if it doesn't sell well then EA's right on cutting support. It has the main draw of recent Fifa games - Ultimate Team - and it has good graphics. If Frostbyte isn't used here, it's because the team hasn't ported it yet.
I don't think it will be worth less than the other platforms. I do hope it sells well, so we can stop with the damn idea that third parties sell horribly on Nintendo platforms. Good games should sell well, and be rewarded.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE the Wii U version of fifa performed like garbage though. The frame rate was all over the place on corners for example.
It will be way better then that
I may finally try out this series.
EA can shove it, nothing they do interests me, they can sugarcoat their cheap FIFA they gave us all they want.
At first, I thought we were getting a last gen make over, but reading this, I feel more like we are really getting an exclusive version.
I hope it is as enjoyable as the other versions.
@JaxonH @OorWullie Yes, I figured he meant "on a plane", but guess you can say I'm still a bit hesitant after the Wii U years and they - EA - really haven't been trying too hard to promote this. Almost every other word out of their mouth is "portable" meanwhile Ntinedo is still selling Switch as a home console.
Would be nice if everything worked out for a change. Though reading thru these comments, sheesh, even if EA were giving the game away for free seems like people would be upset over what's missing. Switch is getting FIFA day 1 (OK I think it's day 1 don't hold me to that) it's a win. Though if it tuns like garbage and isn't fun to play...but that can be said for any game. Looks better than Animal Crossing amiibo Festival and Ntinedo gave us that one on Wii U while 3DS got New Leaf, how's that fair?
People are too sensitive. Let's talk about Switch. EA working in this version, for the first time, needs to compile a working version of Fifa. In its custom engine. Yes, extra work. Then, It is mandatory for Switch to have a nice handheld mode. It's not an option to say "it is like other versions". They will have to check every single menu, every single font size if it looks fine in a portable device. Then will check if the docked mode looks fine too. Same thing during the matches, in handheld mode it may need tweaks in camera and visual items. Of course, they just can't push the hardware to its limit, or the battery can be a problem. Since it is very different from XB1 and PS4, it will require more specific tests than these other versions.
The Wii U version of Fifa 13 was a bad port. Worse than PS3 and Xbox 360. But NFS Most Wanted for Wii U was the best version of the game, and it didn't mean a thing.
Fifa 13 had nothing to offer - nothing - if you were the owner of a ps3/x360.
Fifa 18 offers a good experience that you can play anywhere, and it is very different than a ported version that runs on switch. But yes, people became very sensitive with anything related to EA.
@rjejr
I think they stress portable so people understand why it's not exactly pound for pound partity. Portability is a system inherent feature at Nintendo's choosing, and games will naturally have to conform in certain ways, but in the end you get exactly what the system was meant to provide- portability. 2 versions in 1. They stress this because people expect a game exactly like PS4 owners get, when that's just not going to happen. But instead of focusing on the one tiny little thing other versions hold over this, people should focus on the one VERY big thing this version holds over others.
I mean, you literally are getting 2 versions in 1. You are getting 60fps. You are getting 1080p docked 720p portable. You are getting a superior console experience than last gen versions. You are getting full parity with what PS4/X1 had just a few years ago.
And people wanna ignore all that and focus on a stupid story mode in a sports game? You'd have to have a seriously biased agenda to ignore all that positive just to scream and shout about 1 meaningless negative.
yeah no
This game is going to tank. This interview was very simple. "We've created a gimped version of FIFA 2018 for switch". How do you know it's gimped? Simple, it doesn't have ALL of the features as it's counterparts. To make matters worse it will be priced the same as the other complete versions of the game (games aren't really complete anymore but you get what I mean).
This will be their LAST game on switch. When it does tank then EA will say something like "we haven't come up with a viable way to continue making games for switch without compromising the quality of our products. Nintendo fans deserve better."
Let's face it. In order for third parties to create quality content that content has to be ORIGINAL. That means that every game they make has to be built from the ground up exclusively for specific hardware. Which is what EA is trying here and I applaud such effort but EA can't be trusted. I get it. They're a business and they need to make money. However they left a nasty taste in the mouths of MANY for their "unprecedented" relationship with Nintendo in the past generation. I won't soon forget that.
Well... I've always seen the PS and X as the "FPS and Sports consoles" so i don't care too much about having FIFA on a Nintendo console. I want Zelda, Metroid, Mario, Super Smash, indie and 3rd party games, not downgraded or less functional versions of NBA, NFL or COD. But still, i think it's ok to have options.
I'm just gonna buy it and play it and have fun.
@JaxonH "seriously biased agenda"
Yeah, it's more the specter of EAs "unprecedented partnership" than anything else. I didn't hear people complaining when SSB4 3DS didn't get 8 player like SSBU. Wii U PTSD reignited by those 2 capital letters, EA. Game will sell though. Can you imagine the reaction if it sells well?
@Rize1200 Agreed, I'll take games made by Wayforward, Treasure, Platinum, Capcom (sometimes), Sega, SNK, Yacht club, Arcsystem works, etc over EA generic sports and FPS' any day of the week.
Not impressed in the least bit with "best portable" version ever made. That's not saying a while lot. It damn well better be the best portable version made. Whats the runner up? 3DS? Vita? That better go without saying. Let's not forget EA, this is a console first and foremost that can be brought with you.
Sometimes less is more. Just put the game out there and let it perform on it's own merits. No need to look for ways to put your foot in your mouth by stating what everyone expects in the first place.
@GrailUK I feel the same way. I'm legitimately thinking about buying my first sports title in many years.
I don't care much for either EA or FIFA, both I feel are kinda sucky, but but but... if this is a quality game, I'd bite. I want as much as quality 3rd party on Switch as possible. And.. ME3:SE was bloody awesome. It really was.
@JaxonH you're the man.
The dude even said it: people wishing for a PS4 or XBox One experience with the Switch are going to be disappointed. This isn't the red-headed stepchild, it's just a completely different kind of device and hardware we're talking about here. Personally, I thought the comments came across candid and promising. It's not necessarily a day-one purchase for me, but if they can deliver on what they mention in this interview I'll probably buy this.
"It's not gen three rezzed up." I'm glad to know it's not an NES port. -_-
The most important is local co-op anyway. That's why people buy the Switch. The solo is very nice but ultimately inconsequential for a title like FIFA, even if fantasy soccer on the go sounds nice for the fans.
I'm glad they went to some length in developing the game for Switch though. I hope it'll sell well.
@Ryu_Niiyama Bethesda appears to defy all of this concept though, granted it's a 2011 game but still it seems like they are putting a lot of effort into a Nintendo game and I wish other devs would do the same! Crossing my fingers for some more sweet games coming our way!!!
(and with Nintendo's generally high standard for QA I am hoping for a mostly glitch free experience!)
I will be getting it. I do wish it had The Journey though. Quite disappointed in that respect. The Nintendo Switch should be able to handle the PS4 version no problem. It can be better than the PS4 and XBOX versions.
Give us Battlefield and Battlefront and I am set. Love those two franchises.
@JaxonH
"I mean, you literally are getting 2 versions in 1. You are getting 60fps. You are getting 1080p docked 720p portable. You are getting a superior console experience than last gen versions. You are getting full parity with what PS4/X1 had just a few years ago.
And people wanna ignore all that and focus on a stupid story mode in a sports game? You'd have to have a seriously biased agenda to ignore all that positive just to scream and shout about 1 meaningless negative"
A perfect summary.
'You can see it does not look as good' . Did anyone think it would?
@rjejr Mad respect for your new avatar image - loved The Seahorses when I was a college, that album is a true underrated classic. Even more impressed that you know who they are as an American! Didn't realise they made it over there.
If I cared about sports games I would buy this in a heartbeat to send a message to EA to do more of this. It really sounds like they put a lot of effort into it and it will be a fantastic experience. I do hope it sells well. But I really don't give a flip about sports games so I won't be buying this. I feel almost guilty for not caring about what is so obviously going to be a very good game. Please, if you like FIFA, buy this game on Switch. We need to talk with our wallets. Then EA will put something that isn't sports on the Switch and I can talk with mine.
I felt one of the reasons for leaving out "The Journey" was that its a coninuation of the story and the Switch never got Part 1 so why bother putting Part 2?
(Yes I know put away those Mass Effect 3 cases; I like to think EA were being super lazy then).
I only have this guy's words to go by but it sounds that at least a bit more effort is being put in but still a cautious approach. After the Wii U though I really don't blame them.
Can't wait for some FIFA on Switch! EA actually did a good job with this one.
Seems like they actually put a lot of effort into the switch version there's no way you're getting everything the PS4/XB1 versions have it's not realistic but at least they've taken advantage of the platform and given us as much as possible. Basically it doesn't look like they half assed the game.
The gameplay shouldn't differ that much though. It's only football after all. It's not exactly groundbreaking controls.
I refuse to give any money to Fifa, after they fined the UK teams for wearing poppies last year. Simple as.
@UK-Nintendo I am not excited, it is just fifa.
@RainbowGazelle boo hoo. They deserved the damn fine. Rules are clear and all teams decided to ignore them.
They should be focusing this as a home console version. That's what it is, not portable. You can just so happen to take it with you.
Much like lots of the comments it's difficult with EA's track record and obviously corporate speech to be too excited for this game. But I would dare to say it will probably fall into the 7-8 out of ten grade, which is acceptable as far as what people will get to play.
We are far more forgiving of lots of companies and nindies for producing games of this same level. I personally don't have any other systems, or any love for EA, but this is what I have if I want to play footy games. So I will consider getting it once we have all the info.
@uhhhhhhhh The creation engine (based on gamebryo) isn't rendering animation or textures (bethesda makes horrid textures) the same as is required in fifa. Skyim loads in cells (that is why caves and towns have loading screens) Fifa functions differently. Fifa has different framerate and physics requirements as well.
Also we don't know how skyrim will play on switch. I'm expecting a buggy mess still. (This is coming from a heavy Skyrim player-I've logged well over 1500 hours in skyrim on PC with tons of texture and scripting mods. Somewhere around 60GB of mods currently. )The key isn't just does a game run,but does it run well enough to be playable. Frostbite 3 runs on ps360 so I wasn't talking about the switch's ability to run the engine (it can) but I was talking about optimization (I thought I made that clear but I'll double check my post). Even the wiiu ports have been optimized during their Switch conversion. So imagine what companies that built engines that didn't have Nintendo machines in mind at all might have to do. Anyway I wasn't giving EA a free pass; just speculating on how a custom engine could result in more games and easier porting later. From what it sounds like Fifa 18 has a bigger effort behind it than 13 did to optimize the game properly. All speculation of course.
There used to be insane disparity between cross-platform releases in the 90's. Many fighting games got gameboy ports that ran like absolute garbage compared to their Genesis and SNES counterparts. This game looks like it'll at least play well and be fun for FIFA fans. Won't be me, but I bet if you like FIFA this will be a great game to you.
@kobashi100 No they didn't. Fifa were being incredibly insensitive.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Switch is a portable first, home console second. So I don't see wrong in EA's statement and believe me I give them a lot of crap everywhere I go.
I was watching videos of the game and it looks good to me. Don't know what ppl are complaining about.
@Damo It was the 20 year anniversary of the album last month so I'm giving it some respect. It's not in my top 10 or anything - Zeppelin, Stones, ACDC had a lot of good music - but it was a great album that I feel got overlooked, even w/ Squire. I think it pretty much ended my Brit pop phase - you guys probably don't call it that, shoedaze or some such nonsense - that started w/ The great first Stone Roses in '89 (I know, too early, but I'm a Yank, what do I know) then I followed the big groups - Charlatans UK (we call them that here) Oasis, The Verve. A Northern Soul is in my top 10 albums, Ashcroft can sing. I think I actually gave up on Britpop waiting for the 2nd Seahorses album that never got released. I still follow what those big bands are up to w/ their sporadic new releases but now I'm old and really only listen to stuff from the 70's. You'll be listening to only 90's Britpop some day, probably all of those 1 name bands, Blur, Pulp, Suede.
After some research to refresh my memory I didn't much like either Urban Hymns or Us and US Only in the late 90's which ended my Britpop phase. That's when I was really waiting for a 2nd Seahorses album that never came. BRMC in 2001 brought me back to more rocking rock. You should check them out if you haven't already, you might like them.
Ok, sorry, got carried away w/ the nostalgia there, back to E3. Thanks though, nice to have an email from you in my inbox w/o the usual displeasure. I'm always hesitant to read them. I'm sure you feel the same.
@rjejr "Honest question"
You've probably interpreted that wrong, since you've seem to have read it as "Fifa is the first title, and the second one is... " while it should simply be read as "Fifa 18 is the very first title we've published on the Nintendo Switch".
So simply their first entry on the system, not as an indicator that there are more.
@rjejr I was also gutted that the second Seahorses album never came out, "You Can Talk To Me" was a great single and it was a real shame they didn't go further. Blur are and always will be my favourite Britpop band, Ash are up there too but I'd hesitate to call them Britpop, even though many people still lump them in with the whole era.
I already listen to mostly '90s music anyway so I guess I'm at the "old fart" phase. Ironically my 17 year old daughter is mad about Oasis at the moment, but I was never that into them back in the day, What's The Story (Morning Glory) aside.
@ThanosReXXX Hey Thanos, how's it going?
No, I think I interpreted right, people don't say "first" unless they are implying a second, the EA guy just said it wrong.
So, is there really no 2nd EA game? Not even some indie thing nobody wants? I'm not expecting SW:BF2 - well it would be nice - but maybe port Mirror's Edge or something.
Well at least he didn't say "The first game in our unprecedented partnership."
@JaxonH Good to see your logic, reason and positivity in here again. Sure, EA has made some nasty stabs at Nintendo in the past, but that's in the past and it seems that they are now really making an effort to put something decent and playable on the Switch, so it's so sad and annoying to me to see so much negativity again and people that think they know it all, when in fact they are plain wrong.
It's the glass half empty crowd all over again.
So, nice to have some other comments to put things in balance again, which makes it not such a chore to read through this comment section...
@rjejr If the EA said it wrong, then how come I did understand what he meant?
Rumors are going that something else is coming, but nothing has been announced yet. The guys that made the new Need for Speed game have been caught saying they would like to make a Switch version and that it could probably handle it, but for now it's not on the to do list at EA, so I'm not expecting that to happen any time soon...
The Wii U did have the definitive version of one of the previous games, so I'm not entirely ruling it out either.
@Damo I pictured you as a Blur guy, Parklike, MLiR, they never seemed as big over here, and for some reason I never really liked them. I liked a few songs from some of the other bands, Ride's Nowhere album, Spacemen 3 into Spiratualized, MBV's Loveless - I still like Kevin Shields stuff. Cant' believe you have a 17 yr old daughter, I knew about the son but I thought he was younger around 10. Or maybe he was 10 4 years ago, my NL timeframe is kinda blurry. I don't dislike Morning Glory as much as Us and Us Only and Urban Hymns - my wife and I nearly got married to Wonderwall but decided it was too slow to dance too and went w/ Maybe I'm Amazed (Wings) instead, and Champagne Supernova is good - but it is in that late 90's time frame, no wonder I gave up on Britpop. I'm a Definitely Maybe guy 100%. Slide Away and Live Forever. (Both of which thematically and musically could have been on A Northern Soul, even if they were different bands.)
If i had a 17 year old daughter I'd be super excited for her to be in anything by any of those bands (well maybe not MBV, I was into some stuff back then) rather than One Direction or Bieber, shudder You should chalk that up to a dadhood win.
@ThanosReXXX "then how come I did understand what he meant"
B/c you're a marketing guy, marketing guys have their own language.
@rjejr Yep, that must be it.
Or maybe I'm just reading the actual lines instead of between or under them...
@ThanosReXXX
Don't get me wrong, I think it's lame EA isn't putting more games on the Switch atm, and they're by no means in my good graces...
But I'm not gonna blindly bash this game just because I don't particularly care for EA. It's a solid effort.
@JaxonH Exactly. I'm of the same mind. Not forgetting past transgressions, and definitely keeping an eye on possible future ones, but I'm perfectly willing to be pleasantly surprised so I'll keep an open mind all the same.
Negativity just for the sake of it just doesn't suit my modus operandi...
This game is going to sell buckets. Also some people buy consoles literally only to play FIFA. So growing the switch userbase is great in my book! EA might even see Nintendo as a viable partner again.
@ThanosReXXX "Or maybe I'm just reading the actual lines instead of between or under them..."
I've never read a line from a politician, a PR guy or a woman at face value my entire life, it's always about under, over and between the lines. Or as any parent would say to their kid - "Do what I mean, not what I say."
@rjejr Well, I guess that makes me one of a kind then, since I am the marketing guy that says EXACTLY what he means without any underlying motives. If I HAD to accuse myself of one, then it would obviously be that I do emphasize some stuff to make a sale, but you won't find me lying, cheating or embellishing stuff.
By the by: the guy who they did the interview with is a producer, so not really a marketing guy. Of course he will be proud of his product, and EA will be looking over his shoulder to make sure he's not going in the wrong direction with his answers, but in general, software or game producers are basically just hardcore nerds, and far less prone to marketing shenanigans than the actual sales or PR people.
So, to gauge this guy correctly, you do need to see it all in the right perspective.
And that right there is why I personally think it's relatively safe to take most of what he says seriously instead of writing it all off as a load of bs from the get go.
And I reckon that the interviewer will also know how to separate truth from fiction and if he's a good interrogator, he will know how to take (and keep) the lead in the conversation, getting the actual answers he needs/wants instead of the ones that EA wants this guy to give them.
well im willing give them 1 chance & keep an open mind.
@RainbowGazelle I disagree. FIFA allowed all teams to have there big poppy display before the game. Have the soldiers come out and do there bit etc etc. Literally was given freedom to do what they wanted. All FIFA said was no poppy on shirts as it's a political statement.
The FA couldn't accept that though. Still think they run the football world. They deserved everything they got.
The huge outcry from people over this was pathetic. If Argentina ever wear something on there shirts remembering the Argentinian Falkland dead soldiers I expect you and other fans to defend them against FIFA.
If ireland ever do the same to remember fallen irish Republican soldiers killed by the British I again expect you to say ireland are right to do this.
Video in portable mode. Spoiler-looks very good.
https://youtu.be/nidL2YFGkk4
@RainbowGazelle
FIFA were right. We've survived without years without putting.poppies on our shirts but in the modern age quietly, respectfully grieving isn't enough. You have to show the world how much you're grieving. A minutes silence isn't enough, black armbands aren't enough, the crowd wearing poppies isn't enough.
The insensitivity was from the publicity-seeking FA and the bandwagon jumping politicians. It was a modern football thing for the modern internet 'look at me' generation.
@Ryu_Niiyama To bad, while Fotball is way bigger in my country than Hockey, i just prefer NHL over Fifa as a game. (Totally not because you can get into a fight and beat the poo out of eachother)
@electrolite77 @kobashi100 I see your points. I just fail to see how remembering the dead is a "political statement"? And yeah, if Argentina/Ireland/Anyone wants to do something to remember their soldiers, I would happily defend that in a second!
@InternetBowser
Well, quite frankly it is a FIFA experience you can take with you on the go and it looks like it handles that admirably. Obviously, when it comes to these sports game franchises that have fan bases on other platforms, those that buy the Switch version will favor portability as a main (if not the main) priority. If you only care to play the most graphic intensive, stationary exclusive version of FIFA, than the Switch version won't be for you.
@rjejr
Regardless. The game isn't an upscaled Xbox 360/PS3 port. It's custom made for the Switch hardware which frankly is the kind of effort Nintendo fans have been asking of 3rd party publishers. Equal parity with PS4/Xbone will not happen for most games but will be for "some".
Not a huge fan of EA but I can't hate on them for this offering.
@ThanosReXXX "And that right there is why I personally think it's relatively safe to take most of what he says seriously instead of writing it all off as a load of bs from the get go."
I never did any of that, all I did was ask what the second game was b/c he said his game was the first, which I said implied a second. That doesn't make him liar, it just makes me inquisitive.
@rjejr Ah, the perils of text interpretation...
You said:
"I've never read a line from a politician, a PR guy or a woman at face value my entire life, it's always about under, over and between the lines. Or as any parent would say to their kid - "Do what I mean, not what I say.""
So to me, that implies that you don't trust whatever this guy had to say, which could definitely imply that he is supposedly lying, or at the very least just mouthing the words of his company, and all I did was offer some perspective by saying that in his case, it probably isn't that black and white.
Just because he's from EA, doesn't mean he has to be a tool or someone who's just talking the talk.
I also don't agree (sorry) with the "saying first implies a second" thing. I already gave my view on that. It really is so, so simple: they haven't yet released anything on the Switch before, so this truly IS their first game.
There are no rules or laws that say that mentioning this must surely imply that there is a second one as well.
Ubisoft's first title is Mario + Rabbids, Bethesda's first title is Skyrim. It just so happens that Ubisoft does have multiple titles, but it certainly isn't a given. Platinum Games and Retro Studios will probably also announce their first Switch title soon. I wouldn't expect any second title announcements to follow from them either..
(then again: who knows what they've been cooking up all these years, but I'm not assuming anything, so I'll allow myself to maybe be pleasantly surprised)
So no offense, and it's certainly not my intention to annoy you or correct you, but just as much as it was your honest question, it was my honest wonder how the heck you automatically seem to have come to that conclusion when it really wasn't implied in any way.
But obviously, there's nothing wrong with being inquisitive, I actually find it to be one of the better traits of people, because it points to them wanting to gain knowledge or learn stuff, which is always good.
@InternetBowser
I hear ya, but disagree somewhat.
It's Nintendo's job to sell the Switch as a home console you can take with you on the go. But it's third parties job to sell their games. When a third party sells franchise games across multiple devices/consoles it's smart to play up the unique features of the device that'll play their game. Switch's portability is a huge bonus feature no other home console can offer at the moment. Switch owners already know they can play the game on the TV.
My friend ask me how much did I pay for the Fifa 18 on the switch and he laugh at me. He said he can get it for free on his pc then i say to him "its completely different. Can you bring your pc outside at your work place?" He said its about being a clever here. Then i said to him "its fine if you can get it free for your pc with good graphic and judging how it looks on the switch but im paying this shanizzle because im supporting for the third party on the switch" come on, this is something news to people. I still remember playing fifa on the ps vita and its really great but i know that the limit console itself cant go higher than what it was build for. Fifa 18 on the switch is really impressive for me. Im thankfull for what EA have done to the switch. Its the next new level for this handheld devices.
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