Timing Of NX Launch Could Help Nintendo Grab Some Of Sony And Microsoft's Market Share, Says Analyst

Hate to say it but I've been saying all these things as of late. No 3rd party support and the system is doomed from launch day!

i'll be getting it anyway i grew up with Nintendo and i always get their systems because even if the third party support is poor their first party games are always fun to play

i have NEVER been disappointed with a Nintendo system

gamers put to much on sales when the only people who should be bothered by sales are the manufactures themselves

He's right, if it's easy for developers to port PS4 and XBONE, it'll clean up

BUT, Nintendo don't really care about that. If it was a choice between selling 100million and making something genuinely brilliant and breaking even, they'd pick the latter.

Nintendo are the Woody Allen of video games, they've been around longer than all you turkeys and they'll still be here when you're gone.

If the system is not comparable or stronger in terms of strength, timing won't do anything.

There is already evidence of it being more powerful than the PS4 and Xbox One. If this is true then they could actually push both of these off the market! Sony and Microsoft can't afford to quickly whip up a PS5 and Xbox Two! Companies will go to where the power is. Fact is, all the game companies do love Nintendo, they have a GOOD relationship. Square Enix put Cloud in Smash Bros, Capcom put Ryu in Smash Bros. They've both collaborated on various games! Square Enix developed Super Mario RPG and Capcom developed a few handheld Zelda titles! The only thing holding them back right now is the system's power.

If Nintendo force Microsoft and Sony to bring out a new system so soon, consumers are going to realise that they didn't really get much out of their other systems, whereas the Wii U had hit after hit. We are going to see days where the PS4 and Xbox One get the inferior versions of multiplatform games; where the NX has off TV support, smoother framerates and innovative motion aiming!

I think whether or not the NX will be a success at launch depends on both first and third parties games. I think if the first party games are fairly interesting even though some of them are remasters is fine depending what sort of remasters like Mario Sunshine HD. (Or Virtual Console support for Gamecube on the NX at launch).

If we get the Square Enix games at launch or close like Dragon Quest 10+11 and Final Fantasy 14 will likely draw in the (Nintendo/JRPG) core gamers to the NX fairly fast. (I know these will technically be ports). As Cloud is in Smash soon it wouldn't be 100% unthinkable that the Final Fantasy 7 will come to the NX as well ^^.

I also think COD or Minecraft should be s part of NX launch if possible, or to say the most popular games around the time NX launches in order to draw in the mainstream gamers.

Anyway I hope the NX will be a big success and not just in profitability, but also in smilies .

Edit: I actually just realized that we are judging the the potential of the NX by today situation... but by the time the NX launches the situation could be completely different. I mean by time the time NX launches Nintendo Account, My Nintendo, Pokémon Go, Miitomo and potentially between 2-3 other mobile apps/games will have come out and will likely have affected Nintendo's recognition.

So... yeah, we don't really know what market position Nintendo will be in by the time NX launches .

I was thinking that way for awhile, but now I'm back to my original idea of this being a cheaper system based on older games and portable quality games.

Nintendo owns the handheld market, make a 4DS w/ TV out. Have some type of subscription service for its back catalog. Be $200. Embrace the difference. It's never going to compete with Sony in the home console space. MS and all its billions are trying but even they can't keep up. Nintendo spends nothing on marketing.

Make a 4DS w/ TV out that can do Wii U type grphics. Well Star Fox and TP HD, not XCX. Do their own thing, but be up front about it. Don't start off with all those ports then let everyone down. Be about Nintendo. And Monster Hunter, gotta have Monster Hunter.

2016 has to be though. Nothing in the pipeline for Wii U after Zelda. But I don't think it's the 3rd twin anymore, it's Apple go Mictosoft. Only back in the early 9th when Apple barely surbived. But look at them now. Starting from scratch with NX.

Needs to work as a "conventional" console, and the portable part, if as rumoured it comes, can be an extra, used by Nintendo 1st party games and the more adventurous indies and 3rd parties. Maybe by big 3rd party mobile devs bringing popular Japanese mobile games, or games that might otherwise have been on 3DS.

All this assuming Nintendo actually make games to show off the capabilities of the portable bit this time! Unlike the Wii U, where they never really had a killer app for the gamepad

I only clicked, and am commenting, to support the site. I don't support the idea of this article. It's STATING THE ****ING OBVIOUS and that chap who calls himself an analyst has about as much insight as a decomposing cabbage.

I don't mind Nintendo Life putting out whatever articles they want, but please stop giving that 'analyst' publicity.

After seeing how well the Wii U was supported in all avenues by Nintendo, I cannot see a justifiable reason to support the NX. I will cautiously wait and see what happens but my money will probably go to another console or Steam Box as that would have lots of current hits and also a huge selection of classics (many of them old Nintendo classics for some strange reason)

Huh, he's actually agreeable again this time.

I agree that third party support will improve if the method for porting games to NX is simplified, but I think it's equally important that the system sells. $1-$2 million to port a game sounds okay, but not if Nintendo has only sold through a few million systems and the attach rate for third party titles remains low as it's been on Nintendo systems.

For once I agree with Patcher on something...however, that still doesn't change the fact that he's a terrible analyst. "Hey, everyone! The NX needs better third-party support!" NO SH*T!

He's right, but don't forget the support that 3ds got from Namco, Capcom, Atlus (god atlus is responsible for almost half of 3ds library), Square and Nintendo Studios like GameFreak. So if it's a mixed console I don't have a doubt that will be a success!

I had this odd feeling it was going to be Pachter before even clicking on the article. I didn't expect him to be quite so positive. Maybe his coffee was drugged this morning and he's unusually joyfully happy?

I think it's a mistake to be hung up on thinking of the NX as the same generation as the Playstation 4 and Xbox One. Nintendo's new console will be a 9th generation console in my book. If they're not officially announcing the NX until 2016, then I'm 90% sure that it won't launch until 2017, and that will give it a launch 5 years after the Wii U's launch - EXACTLY on par with Nintendo's consoles. They all, at least from a North American standpoint, had either 5 or 6 year generations.

I want the NX to be more like a core console and not rely on some innovation such as a gamepad or Wii remote - they've had their day. The NES and SNES still sold amazingly despite having a regular controller. I think Nintendo would get more third party support if their console isn't forcing developers to think about peripherals and let them focus on a traditional gaming experience and squeezing every ounce of power out of the new beast.

Assumptions ahoy!

If the NX it's backwards compatible its going to be really interesting because doing so will attract all the PlayStation and Xbox gamers that were attracted to Wii U but hesitated to get the system due to price and third party situation. Because then they'll have the whole of Wii U's library and also everything that of NX. Which will let the catch up with everything that they missed and ar the same time secure the future. And IF it's more powerful than the PS4/Xbox One (Specially if gap is distinguishable) than the decision will only be easier on them because NX then will have the superior 3rd party ports. Even if not superior graphically, they'll be guaranteed a better framerate. Which is a big deal with all the current gen games struggling to hit 60fps without graphical degrade. Or if at all.

@BinaryFragger That quote is weird, considering the first Call of Duty not to land on a Nintendo console was Ghosts, well into the WiiU's lifecycle, as Blops 2 came to WiiU, problematic as it was.

If it ends up being a versatile system that can be both handheld and home console, they should get a ton of 3rd party support. Especially if more engines can run on it.

Guess what, I don't care about what YOU think or say. Oh and wait, you call yourself an analyst and then say nothing more than the so OBVIOUS!!
Sick of this guy popping up everywhere. Who the hell is this guy that I would pay attention to what he says, instead of to a company that created 3 of 5 best sold gaming consoles ever... Get out of my nintendo life Pachter!!!! I don't wanna hear about you anymore.

@Noelemahc Ghosts did come to Wii U and at the same time as 360 and PS3. Advanced Warfare was the first not to of which I'd guess it being due to poor Wii U sales and the new engine used for that and Black Ops 3.

The Wii U gamepad isn't the problem. He's got that wrong.

@Grumblevolcano oooh, THAT I didn't know, as I play my CODs on PC (except World at War, and I'm still unsure whether the Wii's control scheme for it is some form of torture for arthritis sufferers... Oh, and Modern Warfare on DS, it was surprisingly not bad).

The point stands though: the Wii had way better third-party support than WiiU, up to and including representation of all genres. Both the WiiU and 3DS are being smothered by poor representation of certain genres, mainly because they aren't supported by first-party games at all.

Backwards compatibility should not be a console's main source of games, yes?

Is everything alright with Patcher? This is far too positive to be him.

For once, I'll agree with him. I don't have a Xbox One or PS4 yet, so I may have to choose between one of them or a NX. Nintendo's first party games are great, but there's many other great third party games that haven't reached Nintendo consoles recently. If the NX got the big AAA third party titles, then that's the console I'd get.

@Noelemahc Ghosts was on Wii U. I have it. That was the last COD game to appear on a Nintendo platform to date.

I'm convinced Nintendo will have 1 library moving forward. I think that is why 3DS VC has been more or less dead for a year. What's on the Wii U eShop now will be available moving forward and there will only be one list of games so whether you have the handheld or home console you will have the same games to choose from. Nintendo can then survive on it's own if 3rd party developers abandon ship and if they stick around then you have so many great games everyone will be buying the system

It's clear the NX needs third party support. As great as Nintendo is as a developer, this year especially has proven that can't keep a console afloat by themselves. Long game droughts is what the NX does not need.

Third party support is not going to happen, Nintendo must be well aware of this or they are fools confirmed.
But they know actually, and that's why NX will be the one and only Nintendo console with all their 4000 employees working 24/7 on it. No need of third parties in order to sell like hot cakes, Pachter doesn't understand, as usual

@tysonfury "BUT, Nintendo don't really care about that. If it was a choice between selling 100million and making something genuinely brilliant and breaking even, they'd pick the latter."

This is such a falsehood I almost question if it's humor. Nintendo is a BUSINESS. They're in it to make 100 million sales on EVERYTHING THEY MAKE. Also, it's pretty interesting you phrased that statement the way you did given that the original Wii was both brilliant AND sold 100 million.

Seriously, tell me you were joking.

@gatorboi352
Kind of half joking. Kind of.

@riChchestM Yes, the Gamepad is the problem. For more than one reason. Its mere existence is the reason costs weren't spent elsewhere on the harddware, thus the lower specs, thus the outdated and unfriendly architecture, thus the lack of 3rd party support, thus the game droughts, thus the lack of sales.

And that doesn't even begin to speak to the overall clunkiness of the controller and poor battery life. And the fact that you can only link up 1 per console (due to, you know, low hardware specs).

@gcunit wise words. Being a former analyst myself I am aware that the role entails a lot more than sticking your finger in the air and offering an opinion not backed by evidence or stats. Patcher is a videogame media personality nothing more. He survives due to the oxygen of the publicity he generates much like a slightly less offensive version of Katie Hopkins. Hes a fool.

i understand why sites report his inane ramblings as it generates hits and comments and they're a business at the end of the day so it's not really my choice as a reader what they cover. I do however wish I lived in a world where Patcher was just shouting loudly in an empty room with no-one to listen to him.

Maybe if nintendolife carry on reporting on his ramblings they should just stop referring to him as an analyst. Perhaps just call him a "gaming personality" or something as he is as much an analyst as some guy you met in the pub.

This story should be retitled, it should say - Some guy states the obvious! Lol

@gcunit I don't think you understand how the grown up world works.

@Dakt False. They did try, and even made exclusives designed around the unique hardware itself. The audience that owned Wii did not care for those titles. They were the iPad crowd before iPads existed.

Don't blame the 3rd parties. Nintendo and their younger audience are the reasons to blame. Nintendo fans like myself in their mid 30s just want the next SNES; all the best 1st and 3rd party support, powerful hardware and a straight laced controller.

"The more this thing looks like a PS4 or Xbox One I think the better it does".

It'll be very unlikely NX succeeds without 3rd party support. I'll enjoy the console regardless. I miss nothing. I own all and play all, so to me I really couldn't care less which platform a game lands on. Nomatter which one it is, it's a platform I'll own.

But speaking to odds of success, I think they absolutely must have 3rds on board. Judging by home consoles, I think they have zero chance after Wii and Wii U, but at the same time they have decent- not strong but decent- support on their handhelds. So if it's a hybrid, that support will bleed over to benefit the NX ecosystem at large.

I think the odds are not in their favor, but I do think their moderate 3rd party handheld support can bleed over and set precedent for other AAA developers to follow. They're not jumping in until they see tangible evidence that 3rd party games can succeed. So if Atlus, Namco, and even companies like Capcom with Monster Hunter can scrap together some decent sales, I think there's a good chance AAA devs will take notice.

It's 50/50. Either way, success or failure, I'm going to enjoy the games to the uttermost. As I do with all my consoles.

Boy howdy, do I hope Square-Enix will support the NX right now. Mostly because their status as Sony supporters is legendary by now. Hopefully Cloud in Smash will be the first sign of a reborn partnership.

I'm hoping for this to happen so hard, because I want each of Pachter's harsh words towards Nintendo to blow up on his friggin' face.

@Kuhang agreed, there is real opportunity, if handled correctly, to milk the demand for both consoles and their libraries of games as one market share. The worry for me here is the persistent rumours that the nx will not feature a disk drive. If this is true, then that's a major mistake imo. Even if an account system let you play games it knew you had from online( unlikely) then this would still fail to capitalize on the draw of the games for a current non-Nintendo owner. And for f-sake can they please include at least a DVD player if not bluray if they have a disk drive. I still now occasionally put a disk in my Wii u forgetting it won't work!!

@gatorboi352
"Nintendo fans like myself in their mid 30s just want the next SNES; all the best 1st and 3rd party support, powerful hardware and a straight laced controller."

Yes and no. I fall into that age group, and I'm definitely for great 3rd party support and powerful hardware. And I absolutely value a normal controller- as long as it's provided as an option (like Pro Controller).

But, I actually really like the gamepad. Games like Splatoon, Mario Maker and the upcoming Xenoblade X just wouldn't be the same without it. So I think they have the right solution offering a standard controller that's compatible with most games. Seems a fair compromise.

In fact the "multiple controller options" is one of the key characteristics I value most. Because no 2 games are alike, and certain games work with certain control schemes. For example, I can't stand Pikmin without a Wiimote. It's nearly unplayable. It's one of the only games that play better with motion, but even for the sake of that one franchise, I'm thankful for the Wiimote support.

I'm not a nazi when it comes to power, but my general stance is the more the better. And certainly better for 3rd party support more than my own preference (at this point most Nintendo games are plateauing with their visual potential anyways).

And while I still prefer all my multiplats on whichever console runs them best (right now that's PS4) I'm not opposed to buying them on NX if it can outperform the competition. If not though, I'm perfectly content continuing to play them on PS.

@JaxonH You're coming from the stance of having owned every console out, though. I only ever purchase 1 console each generation and I'd like for that console to offer everything; 1st party Nintendo titles and all the AAA 3rd party titles.

"But, I actually really like the gamepad. Games like Splatoon, Mario Maker and the upcoming Xenoblade X just wouldn't be the same without it. So I think they have the right solution offering a standard controller that's compatible with most games. Seems a fair compromise."

Yes and no here; Splatoon could totally work with the Pro Controller (if you don't care for the gyro controls, which I don't) and Xenoblade, the developers recently said the #1 feature fans asked for was off TV play. What does that mean? They didn't care about a 2 screen experience. They just want to be able to play the game, on one screen, with or without a TV.

I also feel as though the multiple controller options with Wii/Wii U created even more of a divide/disconnect with gamers, both casual and core. The core just want a Pro Controller and the casuals just want simplicity and ease of entry/use.

Personally I think the hope of 85m sales for XB and PS like last time is unlikely, but even more unlikely is getting those customers to convert to a Nintendo platform. EA, 2K, Bethesda and Konami and don't support Nintendo because they don't make Nintendo audience games. Warner, Activision, Ubisoft and Disney half do because they have franchises like Lego, Skylanders, and Just Dance. Nintendo's closest allies are SEGA, Capcom, Namco, Koei Techmo and now possibly Square Enix because they make games for the Japanese market (mainly on the 3DS).

Personally I think Nintendo's rumoured unifying of Handheld and Console markets is it's only hope for survival. the 3DS sold 55m units and it's a way to get the customer base to buy a console to play the game on the go and on a big screen, and it will allow Ninty to produce more games that can be played on both systems. This must be attractive to 3DS 3rd party supporters, and to customers of the 3DS AND the the Vita which at this moment is frankly done for. If Western games developers want in on that, good for them, but I'm not fussed as a Nintendo consumer.

Maybe I'm more like a Japanese gamer than a Western one?

@Dakt "third parties for the most part threw shovelware on the thing."

Nintendo's choice of extremely outdated hardware is to blame there. Look, Nintendo largely lost touch with their original core fan base the last two generations and they have gone out and purchased PlayStations and Xboxs instead. iPad crowd left too, so that left Wii U to the 10 million super dedicated fanbase which is clearly not enough to support a sustainable business model.

There's a reason Sony and MS continue along each generation with minimal changes to their approach and branding; it just works in today's market. Nintendo, rather, are constantly trying to reinvent themselves to try and get something, anything to stick.

As other people have already stated, if hardware is not stronger in terms of power, timing won't do anything. Actually, Nintendo users are already moving to PS4/Xbox One.

Are we really going to resort to leaving Pachter's name out in the headlines, just so we end up clicking it anyway?
...sigh, should've known...

Can't wait to hear about the next Nintendo hardware.

@Dakt
Good article. Especially the "Ubisoft releases shovelware on Wii, and their actual games on HD consoles", because that's what happened. The Assassin's Creed franchise never surfaced on Nintendo home consoles until the WiiU; the only exception are the two AC games for the DS, but the DS's sales justified even the rare honor of receiving a GTA game (and even then, although the PSP was selling far worse than the DS, Rockstar went out of their way to be total suck-ups to Sony once more and port the game to the PSP... but that's another question entirely), so I doubt that counts as third-party support; it's more like third-party leeching, meaning "we can release even games from our primarily PS/XB franchises on a Nintendo consoles if it sells that well!".

Where was I going again with my comment?

... huh, yes. Ubisoft doing shoddy "for family fun (insert ones and exclamation marks here)" games on Wii, because "it's a Nintendo consoles, therefore kiddies", while HD consoles got their A-game. Yep.

On the WiiU the same happened, only worse. The premise was promising enough with ZombiU: man, imagine all the third-party support being like that! A pants-wettingly scary survival horror game, and an original IP to boot, to kick-start the console? And yet, other third-parties didn't get the hint. It's not the old Nintendo anymore, people. Gaming characters can bleed on a Nintendo console now. You can do mature stuff. And third-party support would have boosted the console sales the third-parties were wanting in the first place. And as a starting point, there's the Nintendo IPs' own userbase, who would have bought the console to begin with. But no, if they play Pokémon, they must be automatically kids. Of course.

Nintendo should get a new GTA game, one funded by them (example: just what happened with Bayonetta 2), as a launch title for NX. Now that would give a message. Maybe as a timed exclusive, of course, allowing the game to reach PS4 and Xbox One later (where it would "feel more at home", as a Rockstar higher-up would say while reading this comment). But GTA on a Nintendo home console... just think of what it would imply.

Sigh. I'm getting hyped over something that's highly unlikely to happen anytime soon.

@gatorboi352
"also feel as though the multiple controller options with Wii/Wii U created even more of a divide/disconnect with gamers, both casual and core"

Whether intentional or not, I can't deny that does seem to be the case. An unfortunate outcome for what I have always felt to be the right solution.

If I have to give up superior (albeit niche) control schemes in the interest of a unifying appeal, so be it. I manage just fine on other consoles which have one controller option. But I would accept it reluctantly, knowing how much those alternative control schemes have improved my enjoyment of so many games.

@darkgamer001 Yeah, I prefer Patcher's name to be in the headlines so we don't waste our time more than necessary.

Patcher vs. the rest of the human race = Patcher loses
Patcher vs. the logic = Patcher loses
Patcher vs. the history = Patcher loses
Patcher vs. the future = Patcher loses
Patcher vs. the fortune tellers = Patcher loses

@JaxonH "knowing how much those alternative control schemes have improved my enjoyment of so many games."

Interestingly enough, I've found ALL the alternative controllers for Wii U to be more enjoyable than the GamePad. They really should have bundled all consoles with a Pro Controller as well, or a Wiimote at least.

@gatorboi352
Agreed.

Everyone is different and has different preferences, which was supposed to be the whole strength of the concept. They should have included all 3 with every bundle, and that way everyone would have immediate access to their preference. And there would have been no paywall standing between a person and a controller they better prefer.

I'm not so sure he is correct on the 3rd party front actually. The wii missed out on a lot of 3rd party games yet still sold by the bucket load. If the new console has something about it that grabs the general publics attention, then that will be more important than 3rd party support will ever be.

However of course it wouldn't hurt to get those 3rd party releases but I think traditionally people buy a nintendo machine to play nintendo games, the 3rd party games are a secondary thing for most people I think.

@gatorboi352 You what mate?

@Scapetti now back to reality!!

You are living in some crazy fantasy land if you believe any of that will happen.

The NX is most likely an ecosystem with multiple form factors - an NX Handheld (+ an XL version) and an NX Console. They have the same OS, the same services, the same or similar architecture, and most of the same library.

The idea is to make Nintendo's development teams more efficient and remove redundancies.

Take Animal Crossing for example. People are upset that there isn't a main series entry on Wii U, but the dev team was busy with Splatoon. What if it had New Leaf? See, that's the type of situation that's avoided with an ecosystem.

As far as third party support goes, they'll get the Japanese support and indie support at best. They'll get little to no western support.

With an ecosystem, weaker third party support becomes less of a problem.

@gcunit Hey, that's insulting to the week old lettuce I have in the fridge! At least it is still fresh enough from when I got it at the farmer's market to be edible. Pachter's words are all vomit inducing at this point.

@IceClimbers Could this mean that NX will finally give us a fully fledged home console Pokémon!?

First things first, these market predictors said the wii would be a flop, second I hardly think the wii u has been advertised, I mean every time an ad break comes on TV it's ps4/xbox one and also last gen games are still selling pretty well so all in all its a bit of a mash up, nobody can say what Nintendo are up to until they release, but as always they make things interesting by not giving a f**k about anybody else.

Pachter is a clown. But he's actually 100 percent correct on this. That last statement is so key. Third parties got burned by Nintendo on the last two home consoles. What incentive do they have to come back? None. And what incentive does a current or previous Nintendo console owner have to purchase an NX. Almost none. Nintendo has managed to dilute their brand this gen.

Nintendo really needs to make the console more appealing to third party developers. Sure their first party games are always top notch, but had I put off buying a Wii U and didn't just blindly buy one at launch like I always do, I would've never bought a Wii U at this point. Nintendo has really dropped the ball in terms of quantity and variety. People can complain about the N64's small library and lack of variety all they want but the truth is Wii U's is far, far worse. Wii U has literally no third party support. Without third party games we would have never gotten the wonderful Castlevania games on NES, SNES, N64, GBA, and DS. Or the masterpieces Resident Evil remake, Resident Evil 4, or Resident Evil Zero on GCN. Or Final Fantasy IV and VI on SNES. Or CHRONO TRIGGER. People foten discount the importance of third party developers on Nintendo consoles but the truth is they need them. If anyone ever wondered what a console only supported by Nintendo, Wii U is a pretty close example. Again, yes the games that Nintendo put out are good, but there's not nearly enough of them. I mean they put out, what, 4 or 5 games a year? That's the system total. And this year in particular has been brutal up until Yoshi's Woolly World came out. Prior to Yoshi, we had Splatoon (which I did not like) and the so-so Kirby and the Rainbow Curse. That's literally it. Nintendo can do whatever they want and it would be a real shame if they ignore third parties and make a Wii U part 2, but I won't support the console.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/09/26/sonys-shuhei-yoshida-responds-to-michael-pachters-prediction-on-this-being-the-last-real-console-cycle/

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/253348/pachter-microsoft-desperately-wants-to-win/

Okay Nintendo Life, even Sony's executives are tiring of Pachter's drivel by now, even though he was sucking up to them for the entire past year. He even went out of his way to go against his own overlords at Microsoft by portraying them as being vain and in a weak market position, to create the facade that he is a neutral agent. You know what you all should do about him at this point, instead of continuing to flagrantly propagate his messages to the point of hiding his name from the headlines?

A basic console with HD graphics, a pro controller and some killer launch games, including a Super Mario 64 type game and Nintendo will have cracked it.

If the cost is right PlayStation and Xbox gamers will buy it just to play the killer games and have it as a second console.

If the NX is controller lead (another game pad incarnation) putting the console price up then Nintendo will need all the third party support it can get.

Linking the 3ds and allowing games to be played on either the 3DS or the TV is something that could be instigated at a later date.

If a New Mario game was preloaded and not sold separately Nintendo would sell even more consoles.

He pretty much said what everyone(who isn't a Nintendo fanboy) already knows.

Shut up, Pachter!

@Yorumi Indeed, Nintendo needs to return to their N64 era policy of spending the equivalent of almost 1/2 the cost of every console shipped just for advertising. XB1 and PS4 are going to be plastered all over the Super Bowl and American football season ads. What is Nintendo going to do in response next year and the year after?

Literally all i'm hoping for the NX at this point is for DB Xenoverse 2 to come to it.

If the nx had the third party support,gets rid of the gimmicky crap, and has a system reasonably powerful and priced, thenI think Nintendo would do better this time around. If Nintendo has no third party support, the system is screwed right from the start.

I'm willing to go back to Nintendo, but their games alone aren't enough variety to satisfy my gaming needs.

Got to say I agree with him. I usually make it a point not to, but he isn't wrong.

"ultimately, the only people who are going to buy it are people that don't have a PS4 or Xbox One. Or, people who have a PS4 or Xbox One, and want to play Nintendo games."

What an expert this man is, let me grab a pen and paper for this.

Is there are story about 3rds getting burned by the Wii, or indeed Ubisoft on the U?

@IceClimbers : if the NX is an ecosystem like Steam, that would be interesting. Especially if all digital Wii U and 3ds purchases carry over. I'm wondering if they will use an SD card for games moving forward. So many questions and an uphill battle for Nintendo.

Yes they definitely need to bump up the tech so that it can be supported by third parties for their sake (I personally couldn't care less whether NX gets the next COD and Assassins Creed but it does matter to a large portion of gamers) but in answer to his crap about the more it looks like a ps4 and xb1 the better - what a load of rubbish! Nintendos individuality is what makes it unique and kept it going without third party support. If they had made a crappier version of the 360 then both the wii and wii U would of done far worse than they did (Not That I don't like them but facts are facts, wii u has not sold well) All Nintendo needs to do Is boost the hardware and make it easier for third parties. The last thing we need is a ps4 or xb1 clone, if they did do that then I might as well stick to pc gaming!

@PlywoodStick : hahaha!!!

EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG

The comments about a modern day SNES are spot on. No more gimmicks, just a dam good console with a conversational control pad, match the power of the PS4 and launch with some cracking games and it will be a winner. It's got to launch next year in time for xmas, because dragging the life out of the Wii u into 2017 will do Nintendo more harm than good.

I honestly think Nintendo are so out of touch with what gamers want, the NX will struggle. To prove this point, look at Miitomo. If Nintendo want to lure ps4/xb1 gamers to buy there mobil games , release a game they want.....mobil mario or a new version of mario kart. Not a poor social media app.

The three main reasons why 3rd parties avoid Nintendo systems like a plague

1) Nintendo doesn't money hat 3rd party support to the extent Microsoft and Sony do. Nintendo doesn't ensure profitability of 3rd party games

2) Nintendo makes too many 1st party titles, which in turn kills 3rd party sales.
Nintendo would need to essentially end all 1st party output to allow for 3rd parties to do well. I mean Microsoft and Sony purposely keep the amount of 1st party games to a minimum.

3) Nintendo's owners don't buy 3rd party games for the most part
This could be:
-Do to be most 3rd party games being highly inferior ports with less content
-Do to the games eventually being ported to other consoles with added content at a cheaper price
-Nintendo not being different enough

Nintendo systems mainly sell to family, kiddies, and "casuals" which has been the case since NES.

@617Sqn
That wouldn't work because there is no room for a Me Three console in this industry.

3rd parties would avoid a Me Three system like a plague, and Xbox and PS fans would ignore it for being too damn kiddy and "casual" because of all the 1st party games with bright colors.

There is nothing that would get Major Western 3rd parties to bring their AAA and M-rated games to Nintendo system due Nintendo's long standing image in the West.

Nintendo needs to do something to differentiate itself and advance the controller forward and not let Valve beat them at it.
VR is motion control based using the very controller types that Wii pioneered.
PSVR uses Move as it's main controller
Oculus uses motion controls
Steam VR uses motion controls
VR saved motion controls.

Mario Kart at launch = win

@Nintenjoe64
Actually a dark bloody new M-rated shooter would do the best.
Or something completely new with new features that haven't been seen before.

With that said in the Playstation era, you get these two choices:
1) Console with full 1st party support
2) Console with full 3rd party support

No console since PS1 has had full 3rd party support and 1st party support.
The consoles that had full 3rd party support and very little 1st party support.
The consoles that had full 1st party support had very little 3rd party support.

Which you do want, full 3rd party or full 1st party support?

A very simple solution for Nintendo to get noticed by gamers who missed out on the Wii u and drum up interest for the NX, would be to release Mario kart 8 on ps4 and xb1. Don't shoot me down ....... Most people who want it on the Wii u have already brought it, so Nintendo won't lose out on sales there.A Release on ps4 and xb1 would boost sales to stupid levels, it has the potential to be one of the best selling games of the last couple of years. Then all Nintendo have to say is ": for more fantastic games like MK8, you will need a NX" Its a win win for everyone.

@Yorumi
As in a lot, more than Sony has released on each of their consoles.
PS1 had like 5 internally developed games from Sony, the most notable one was GT1.
PS2 had ~10 total.
PS3 ~15 total
PS4 currently at 2 years old has 5 (1 remaster, 1 MLB game, 2 shooters).

Wii U has close to 40 1st party games
Wii had over 50
etc....

only IF it has parity in online/communication features, solid third party support, well priced for the spec. that's a big IF if you ask me.

I don't think Nintendo need 3rd party and good timing if they have perfect marketing and launch games that blow people's minds.... Probably best to try all 4.

I think the likes of EA would live to regret Nintendo failing in the hardware market. If Nintendo made games for PS4 it would spread sales out amongst all the publishers even more. Having said that, EA definitely revelled in their attempts to kill Wii u so I'm half expecting them to run an ad campaign warning people not to buy NX!

@617Sqn
It would bomb quite fast over there and not be worth the effort.
It would do better on Apple TV 4.

Colorful games, E rated games and soft T rated games don't very much on Xbox and Playstation, with Minecraft being the sole exception.
No colorful racing game has done decent on these systems.

The only games that actually well on Xbox and Playstation are realistic sports, realistic racers, AAA and M rated games
The main games that sell are EA sports, NBA games, and shooters!

Xbox and PS fans have made no secret about how bad that hate kiddy and "casual" games like Nintendo games.

@Nintenjoe64
EA wants Nintendo completely out of the industry, because Nintendo is literally preventing EA from getting their evil way.
Other major Western 3rd parties would love to see Nintendo be permanently niche as well.

Western 3rd parties want full control and Nintendo prevents that from happening.

NX should get good to full Japanese 3rd party support.
NX should get good indie support
NX should get good smaller 3rd parties
NX probably won't get AAA and M-rated Western 3rd party support.
Though NX should get the rest of the Western 3rd party support.

EA is gone for good unless Nintendo gives into their huge demands like Microsoft did.

As long you like Japanese 3rd parties, indies, lesser Western games, then NX is is for you.

@Xenocity I disagree, everybody on this site knows at least one ps4 or xb1 owner who would love mario kart 8 but won't buy a wii u. I honestly think a ps4 mario kart would sell more than the wii u version.

@617Sqn
Market Research, Eurotracker and NPD tell a very different story about what PS4 and Xbox owners want.

Market Research is carried out every year and determines what Microsoft and Sony make.
Those two purposely don't make colorful games that could be considered "kiddy" and "casual", because it would damage their brand and drive away their customers into the hands of the other.
Yearly market research shows that PS and Xbox fans truly view colorful games and Nintendo games as "casual" and kiddy games not as real "hardcore" games.
They don't want them on their systems.
This is why Shooters rule the roost with other M rated games and EA sports.

I mean Mario Kart 8 would sell few thousand copies, but it wouldn't do well enough breakeven let alone chart outside of Japan.

Once you release another game on a competitor's platform, no one will take your own platform seriously anymore.

P.S. remember how Microsoft's huge marketing campaign for Viva Piñata failed to get said game to sell on Xbox 360?
It was first party with a huge marketing campaign and it bombed!

@Dakt I agree with your points but I think ac3 had DLC from start. It also didn't help when reviews complained about empty servers before launch.

@Xenocity I'm sure EA just want to sell games on whatever console. One of the worst things that could happen to EA's bottom line is having a software company with as much money as them competing with them on every platform instead of just one.

I also think a mature / dark shooter would fail to sell a Nintendo console unless Nintendo made and marketed it properly.

@Cyberbotv2 Yeah, if NX is an ecosystem, they'd likely go with SD cards or something similar. They would pretty much have to do that if they want the handheld playing the majority of the same games as the console. This would also explain the lack of an optical drive in that patent.

@PlywoodStick Possibly.

Taking a bit of Sony's marker share...with the already 27.5 million PS4's sold world wide and the momentum that it has? I don't think so. Microsoft's market share maybe, but I doubt it too because Xbox gamers are fiercely loyal. For them it's Xbox or bust.

Is this what he actually gets paid to do? I mean..the guy is stating the obvious! Really. Can I really get paid for saying the sky is blue???? WHERE DO I SIGN!?! I agree with what he said...but he has hardly said anything new.

I wish I had this guy's job. All I got to do is say things like... "The nx will be around three hundred dollars." "The console is doomed if there's no third party support" "beans are the precursor to flatulence" Where's my money?!

I don't have Wii U but looking to buy one as Xenoblade bundle release date approaches .. or not.
I play hell of my 3ds xl on daily basis for years but I'm on fence with wii u and those NX speculations doesn't help. maybe some price drop + Xenoblade + Christmas could push me over but thats one big maybe.
I'm trying to say here.. they should say already wtf that nx is going to be and when could we expect it to be released.. because that specatulations holding me from buying new 3ds xl and wii u! I don't want to buy wii u tomorow and see them announcing in january 2016 that nx with Zelda coming summer 2016. and i don't want to buy new 3ds if its going to be hybrid console or if its going to be just new handheld coming 2016.
BUT if they say its going to be hybrid or just home console and coming late 2017 - im going to buy tomorrow both of them...
don't know.. too many unanswered questions holding my money in my pockets.
...if u can understand what i'm trying to say because my bad english

@GrailUK You'll need a MBA degree first. I can't imagine those are cheap to obtain.

So basically he's saying what the majority of the people on this site and the other plethora of sites have mentioned for the NX to succeed since this thing was announced.

When did NLife become Nintendo garbage?

Wait, I can probably answer that. When did NLife start posting Pachter and post Project Hammer Unseen64 articles?

_{Watch your mouth ~Santa}

@MailOrderNinja of course it isn't wrong, he's literally saying the exact same thing people have been saying for years now, "Nintendo need better 3rd party support", no duh Sherlock.

_{Watch your mouth ~Santa}

My very cheap 2c
1. Make the home NX console boring (Std controller, similar h/w specs to PS4/Box1, MUST be x86 inside!!) - Bring on the cross platform 3rd Party software glut, sprinkled by Nintendo AAA highlights.
2. Go "Nintendo" hard on the handheld NX (either x86 or ARM), and whatever other loveys Nintendo can dream up. This could be also used for off screen game streaming ala Wii U, and some well designed Nintendo/3rd Party titles would make use of Home/Handheld NX gaming goodness.
3. Sit back an watch Nintendo rise to the gaming top again

0.1 Oh and make one NintendoID usable-able across all platforms including compatible games and VC games (Wii U, 3DS, HomeNX, HandheldNX)

After finally picking up a PS4 last night for Battlefront, Nintendo should really get the word out there that fans can play online against one another WITHOUT a subscription fee. Lame, Sony. Lame. I love my Wii U, even more now that I know not to be charged for Splatoon online is a kindness.

The problem might be people like me that buy Nintendo consoles and only buy first party titles on those consoles

Nintendo didn't screw Ubisoft.Ubisoft screwed us people with the way they did rayman legends.sad thing is rayman still sold better on Wii u.

@sleepinglion xbox charges for online also.

He's usually an ass but I have to agree this time around. 3rd party support will be sorely needed for the NX! Nintendo's lone support will not cut it! Also needs to fix the vc problem and its 1 game a week drip feed! Needs more classic choices from more classic systems!! And everyone knows how xone owners are now downloading 360 games previously purchased on their one? Nintendo needs to make that happen with the NX! If you bought it on the Wii/wii u it should be a free download on NX cause if I have to start my vc/indie collection all over again I'll be plenty pissed!!
Advertising: when I watch the mets or Yankees all year you're flooded with ps4 commercials between almost every inning!! Xbox one here & there. Wii u? NEVER EVER SEE THEM!! Makes me wonder if Nintendo is just too damn cheap to advertise but they need to step up here for sure! A lot of people STILL today don't know what a Wii U is?!? That's terrible!! If they don't step up in these key areas the NX will fail!! Lastly I have no problem with the gamepad at all! I think it's awesome that I can play Wii u while my wife watches the damn food network!! 😜

@Aurumonado Don't worry, there aren't enough people like you to be a big problem :3

Seriously though, what NX will need is to draw in people who aren't diehard Nintendo-fans already, most people who might be tempted to buy NX (Sony and Microsoft have their diehard fans too ) want the big AAA-titles and Nintendo exclusives before investing in a Nintendo system, and that's where third-party support comes in, well, is supposed to come in...

Pachter can make sense sometimes.

It's the games that sell a console...lots of games and various genres of titles. The Wii U is a pretty good system, but I will say that it's not their best. I love some of the games, but they all seem like rushed titles (with the exception of Xenoblade Chronicles and a few others). There's too many platformers and party games on the system, where there is barely anything for other gamers (lack of sports, racing, simulation, strategy, adventure, action, horror, shooters and RPG's). Everyone compares the Wii U to the gamecube, but all I can say (as the gamecube was my favorite nintendo system for many reasons), the gamecube had plenty of games and support and various genres that took the library of titles to almost 300 titles of more (I own 195 games for the system).

NX is going to need a strong launch...more than just a few games. The Wii and Wii U didn't have a lot of great games at launch, and very few to start with. It's going to need more than just 5 or 6 games releasing, and nintendo will have to have the E-Shop up and running with more than just a few titles on that. The NX will need NEW titles...not just re-releases of titles that have been out for PS4, PS3, 360 or XONE for a year or so. In other words, they need the 3rd party, not just to get rid of the horrible droughts that they have had with the Wii U, but to have games show cased in stores. Walmart, Target and others...you see the PS4 and XONE sections...lots of games, lots of genres, lots of variations, lots of room. The 3DS...same, lots of games. The Wii U...barely anything to show for it.

Nintendo will have to be on the ball, which is simply to state...get their heads out of the clouds and stop thinking that they are grand masters. Yeah, they've been around for a long time, and yeah, their IP's are incredible, but if they continue with these thoughts in their heads, they're going to fall.

Again, I'm a nintendo fan, so don't start calling me a troll or hater, I'm just stating my opinions, and I think nintendo needs to pick up quite a lot of steam to continue in the market.

I analysed doomed the other day. I came up with a mountain, a cannonball, Nintendo and Armageddon.

Let's analyse reasonable next.

Nintendo can have all the third party they can get; it still won't change anything. Why? Because people buy consoles for exclusives. If there's a game available in all other platforms, why would they bother with a Nintendo console when it's available on the PS or XBOX? If Ninty wants to gain a lot of audience, they need to pretty much PAY third party devs to make games on their consoles and force them to be exclusive (as much as I hate third party exclusivity)

If the console portion of the rumor became more powerful than a PS4 the main work of Nintendo is asure some big bombs of her IPS. Mario Kart, Smash, Mario 2d and 3d, Metroid, Zelda and a good pipeline, this and a good relationship with 3rd parties will bring titles from the other consoles.
But if the power is something in the middle of portable and console everything will be exclusive...the same WiiU scenario.

Please don't market this system to "family and kids" again. Please don't use the delusional argument that "we're so innovative that our games are completely new experiences". That won't bring third parties, will just let them turn their backs. No one wants to develop gimmicky games adapted to motion and touch inputs where in other platforms they have a simpler and cheaper job. Don't expect people to buy a Nintendo system just for Mario and Zelda, we need and we want to play a big 3rd party release in our systems.

@AyeHaley only when he states the obvious or in this case, repeats what has been said many times before on a site or in a comments section.

Yeah this ain't nothing new from him.

@rushiosan Nintendo will always be a family system. They didn't even try to market the Wii U. They originally aimed it at the 'hardcore' gamer and look what happened. They don't have the skills or infrastructure to make a system for what 'hardcore' gamers want unfortunately.

The Wii U has a good offering and is an innovative platform with excellent games for families.

@FullbringIchigo Very good point.
I think that the Wii U as well as the New 3DS are Nintendos finest consoles by far.
I bring my n3DS everywhere, and the Wii U has so many great games.
I do agree that 3rd party support is important though. Sports games are nowhere to be found because they can't be developed in the same quality as other consoles, and of course that is a deal breaker.
Look at games like FIFA, Madden, NHL. Of course that matters.

The FIFA for 3DS is basically a no effort. They just rehash it and didn't even try with the first one. And I don't even mean like "it is almost similar with some tweaks", no, it is literally the same game rehashed every year. And it is pretty bad.
The PES series was in my opinion the games I've had the most fun with on my 3DS, as well as Nintendo Pocket Football Club. KIU and Pokemon are of course fantastic too. But whenever I look at hours played, that tells a completely different story.
I'd imagine that having NHL for the 3DS would sell really well since more 3DS owners live in America compared to Europe, and since NHL usually sells proportionally better overseas, that would probably sell better than PES has.
I think its and easier game to pull off and turn into something people can enjoy online.

Anyways, sports games, then of course FPS's just have to be the biggest deal breakers that Nintendo misses out on. Just look at Splatoon, it is doing great. It is not an FPS, but it feels a lot like it is giving that whole "FPS Online" experience that people get on other consoles, and that is what I feel that Nintendo owners are missing out on. Its that whole online community atmosphere, it really has to get better.

So no, I really don't like Pachter, but it really looks like he nailed it on everything he said above.

Another thing is, Nintendo has the best first party support of any console, probably, and the most iconic franchises. So there is one thing that makes it so annoying to think about how cheap their strategy is.

Wii U's biggest problem the way I understood it, it was way too difficult for developers to port their games there, and they wouldn't look as good.
The Game Pad I love, it is the best thing in my opinion, but it is also the thing that jacked the price.
But I can't help to think that, what if the console would had just been 100$ - 150$ more expensive with the newest technology in the machine.
I feel that most Nintendo fans would've probably have bought it anyways, but then it could have gotten the GTA's and Fallouts and FIFA etc. and more people would've bought it anyways?
If 12 million or whatever it was bought Fallout 4 on Launch, what if the Wii U had've had the equivalent to that, I can't remember what was released during that time, but like GTA or COD or something, wouldn't that had led to people buying it?
Especially if the console was significantly stronger than the 360 and PS3 at the time?
They would've gotten a head start and an install base and games, since they would had been easier to port. Later they could've made a price cut when the XBone and PS4 had started to pick up, and get even more people to get the Nintendo console since it would had been the one with the momentum?

I don't know, but it feels like it would had made sense.