I don't agree with the people who are saying 2D Mario should be "next gen". I'm still firmly of the belief that this transition will be a lot slower and harder to pin down. There will still be Switch games coming out well into the new hardware and the new hardware will be able to run Switch games
I just don't see 2D Mario as a game that requires better hardware. Will it be a game some people buy the new hardware for? Sure. But I don't think it'll be exclusive to the new hardware. Because there is no reason for it to be
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I agree 2D mario definitely doesn't need better hardware. Super fancy graphics rather than just colorful and fun would be weird. You can make backgrounds artistic, but it would be overboard to actually stress the hardware with that. And actual Mario platforming has been smooth since the third game.
All you need to do to prove that 2D Mario doesn't sell systems is look at the Wii U, and I say this as someone who loves the console and likes NSMBU quite a bit.
And I do find it interesting that the Everybody 1-2 Switch game play has been revealed tonight. That's certainly interesting. Hopefully it really does mean that slot is open for something else. They clearly don't care about it now, and are just shoving it out there.
All you need to do to prove that 2D Mario doesn't sell systems is look at the Wii U, and I say this as someone who loves the console and likes NSMBU quite a bit.
To be fair, that proves that 2D Mario that isn't dramatically different from 2D Mario on cheaper, more popular system the same year doesn't sell systems that are already a lowkey marketing disaster.
If you made a 2D Mario as immediately exciting as DKC Returns was in 2010 on a system that isn't already risking being DOA, it might be different.
I don't agree with the people who are saying 2D Mario should be "next gen". I'm still firmly of the belief that this transition will be a lot slower and harder to pin down. There will still be Switch games coming out well into the new hardware and the new hardware will be able to run Switch games
I just don't see 2D Mario as a game that requires better hardware. Will it be a game some people buy the new hardware for? Sure. But I don't think it'll be exclusive to the new hardware. Because there is no reason for it to be
Will it require new hardware? Probably not aside from maybe utilizing the new hardware gimmick. But then again there's few games I've seen (especially outside of Nintendo exclusives) that REALLY look like they required new hardware (if the new hardware is required for anything it's usually superfluous, barely noticeable graphical details). Whatever the case, regardless of whether it ACTUALLY requires new hardware or not they'll probably still make it exclusive anyway for marketing reasons. Wildly new and original games like the kind of game everyone is expecting this new 2D Mario to be make for good system sellers, it's easier for consumers to believe the next gen console is promoting new experiences when you have a game like this that didn't exist on the original Switch. If they make it cross gen, they miss out on this marketing opportunity and most people will probably just buy it on Switch. I don't think this is the kind of game to make cross gen. I think the cross gen games are going to be more the kinds of games that they make simply because they want to have a new entry in the series rather than the ones that they've come up with a bold new direction for, the bold new direction sorts of games are better off as system sellers for next gen.
@Megas75 Your expectations are reasonable and I respect you for it! I love how you kept the hopefuls in a seperate category, because there is still a chance one of those will happen, but not for sure. Very solid list! (pun not intentional)
@Megas75 Your expectations are reasonable and I respect you for it! I love how you kept the hopefuls in a seperate category, because there is still a chance one of those will happen, but not for sure. Very solid list! (pun not intentional)
Yeah, we don't know anything about the year going forward and they don't have either Smash or Zelda to fall back on so it can go anywhere. It helps just to predict things we know about(apart from the F-Zero and 2D Mario, which are still entirely rumors)
All you need to do to prove that 2D Mario doesn't sell systems is look at the Wii U, and I say this as someone who loves the console and likes NSMBU quite a bit.
To be fair, that proves that 2D Mario that isn't dramatically different from 2D Mario on cheaper, more popular system the same year doesn't sell systems that are already a lowkey marketing disaster.
If you made a 2D Mario as immediately exciting as DKC Returns was in 2010 on a system that isn't already risking being DOA, it might be different.
I'd think that, as much as any game managed to drive sales of the Wii U, NSMBU did a pretty good job. It was only surpassed sales-wise by Mario Kart 8 and 3D World - neither of which provided as much of a bump in console sales because it was well into its death spiral by the time they arrived - and has since gone on to sell over fifteen million copies when ported to the Switch. Ironically, it's probably sold more Switches than most of Nintendo's new exclusives.
The Wii U was just dragged down by so many other issues. The marketing was poor and didn't really distinguish it from the Wii in people's minds; the post-launch games drought gave it a reputation for having no games that it never really shook off despite eventually passing systems like the N64 and GameCube in numbers; and an early third party exodus meant that you had to be a pretty die hard Nintendo fan to want one past its first year or so. Even indie developers had a hard time, because Unity was pretty much the only cross-platform engine that was properly supported for most of its life.
Had it launched without NSMBU, things would probably just have been even more embarrassing for Nintendo. As such, my takeaway would be that a 2D Mario for a new system would be an asset; it just can't paper over the cracks if they fail to get the basics right elsewhere.
I’m not looking for much honestly. Just Disney afternoon collection, Metroid prime 4 and 2/3 hd collection, Castlevania requiem and they finally give us the option to let us buy the games on switch online.
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I'm probably being too idealistic but I would hope that games that don't require the new hardware continue to release on Switch. Is that going to allow them to maximise the push to the new hardware? Maybe not. But it would be significantly more consumer friendly
People will buy the new hardware anyways for the games that won't run or the additional features it will add. And eventually they'll just stop selling Switch entirely. So there's not necessarily a need to make these "lower end" titles exclusive
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The only things I can "reasonably" expect from tomorrow's Nintendo Direct is:
1. Splatoon 3 Side Order DLC overview/preview
2.Pokemon Scarlet/Violet Teal Mask DLC preview & overview
3.Pikmin 4
and that's it really to be honest. I can't really of anything else to add at this point. Sonic Superstars, I think, has already shown of what we saw. And what else wasn't was told by Takashi Iizuka thru interviews. Plus, the 3 listed above haven't really went into detail of what we can expect. Well...actually...2. Since Pikmin 4 did show just abit in terms of features. But not gameplay-wise much.
The former 2 had only their DLC announced and explained with only little information. So we can, ATLEAST, get a view on what gameplay the DLC will entail...again gameplay-wise.
Sorry for the unnecessarly, long paragraphy. Just tell me if I got anything wrong as I'm not much of person who is confident in guessing.
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@skywake I'm highly skeptical there's any gameplay idea that can't run on the Switch aside from controller gimmick things (such as the ones I keep suggesting). There might be some that don't run well or don't run because the developers wanted to emphasize superfluous graphical details, but there's few ideas I see in the industry in general that I look at and think "Wow, we never couldn't have gotten this on a 360/PS3 (albeit with lower resolutions, graphical details, etc.)". I strongly suspect that artificial exclusivity like this is fairly common in the industry and we don't REALLY need the new hardware for the games that they made exclusive to next gen.
As for Nintendo, they'll probably justify the exclusivity by doing something with whatever controller gimmick they add and then say "oh, well we couldn't do this game on the Switch because it can't do this controller gimmick" (although it might be something that's not entirely necessary for the gameplay which would still make it feel artificially exclusive, but at least that's a more justifiable excuse than "we have to have the new hardware to make each blade of grass extra shiny"). But I think Nintendo would go into this thinking that a groundbreaking new 2D Mario is such a huge deal that it makes the most sense as a next gen launch title. The buzz that would generate not just for the game itself but the new console would be through the roof.
Don't know about a 2D Mario (though I certainly wouldn't bet against it), but the predictions that the Direct will just be 40 minutes of third-party games, ports and DLC are silly. Full-fledged Nintendo Directs almost always either reveal a new E ticket game or reveal more information about an upcoming known E ticket game (currently Metroid Prime 4 is the only example, and that barely counts considering how poorly the series sells). A quasi-E3 direct isn't going to be an exception. Besides the fact that Nintendo does release E ticket games late in a console's lifespan (Super Mario Bros. 3, Skyward Sword, many Pokemon games), there is no indicator that the Switch actually is late in its lifespan. The most compelling evidence that the next system is around the corner was the lack of games announced for the second half of 2023. Now that there's a direct with new games ready to be announced, that evidence is no longer relevant. The Switch has been around for a few years, but so was the Game Boy before Pokemon gave it a new lease on life (the original successor was a total flop, but they bounced back quickly).
@Euler I mean, you say Prime 4 barely counts, but that means you're still counting it. They could reveal more info on Prime 4 for 2024 and have a bunch of DLC, ports, remakes, and third parties and that would still show off an E ticket game while leaving us with a barren 2023 that could set up next gen in 2024 (with the aforementioned Prime 4 being cross gen). The mere existence of a full 40 minute Direct doesn't rule out a transition to next gen, we have to see what gets announced first. This Direct is really the Switch's Groundhog Day. It'll tell us if the Switch is continuing for another year (or few) or if we're moving on to next gen soon.
Really cool to see what other people are hoping for / looking forward to.
Pyoro (the person that confidently leaked previous games including Armored Core, Sonic Superstars Everybody 1-2 Switch and some other stuff) talked about the following:
1) a new 2D mario game - highlighted the words "Wonder"
2) a SNES remake
3) Detective Pikachu
4) retweeted something about Dragon Quest Monster
5) Everybody 1-2 Pikmin (Port for the first two games or a spin-off?)
@Bolt_Strike
There are too many variables to say where short development cycle begins and the hardware isn't upto scratch ends. Sometimes it's the former, sometimes the latter, sometimes both. But where the line for the latter ends is certainly well beyond the Switch spec for certain titles.
However, I struggle to see how 2D Mario could be such a title
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