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Hokori

is it really life changing if I cant see "HD"??? i mean honestly, I think all in all HD is overrated and thats how it is, if for some reason I CAN see HD when the Wii U comes out you can call me a fanboy, but even now I cant see HD on the Wii U

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Darkrai wrote:

is it really life changing if I cant see "HD"??? i mean honestly, I think all in all HD is overrated and thats how it is, if for some reason I CAN see HD when the Wii U comes out you can call me a fanboy, but even now I cant see HD on the Wii U

try this idea does one look more clearer then the other? thats one of my little ideas to defining the HD definition in my book

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LordTendoboy

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I'm just using the "PSP vs DS" example to state my point that graphics are not the most important thing in gaming.

Yeah, we already know games can be fun without cutting-edge graphics. Now prove that cutting-edge graphics make games less fun, and then you'll have a point.

That was my point. Games can still be fun even if they have "bad" graphics by todays standards. Look at the plethora of iOS and Android games as shining examples of that. Look at the games on Xbox Live Arcade for more examples.

I've played plenty of games over the years, some with incredible graphics (Uncharted, Shadow of the Colossus, Sonic Generations), and some with terrible graphics (Super Mario 64, most PS1 games, Final Fantasy II [SNES version], LittleBigPlanet, etc.). I admit I was drawn to the story and characters of Uncharted, but I play games for the complete experience, not just for one feature. And I still stand by my opinion of Gameplay > =/= (greater than, but not equal to) Graphics.

And in my opinion, art design is way more important than having realistic graphics.

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bossmank wrote:

Ok, In agree with you on your graphics standpoint. But I think that games becoming more cinematic is a good thing. Metroid: Other M was my favorite metroid game because of the story. It went way more in depth than any other game before it. How? Cinematics. If it werent for the cinematic the story would have been difficult to understand. My own incentive to go back and replay games comes from the story. While a game can be amazing in its own right, its complete junk with no story.

So Tetris is junk?

So Pac-Man needs a specific reason for chasing those ghosts? The guy from Dig Dug (an old Namco arcade game) needs motivation for blowing up those cute monsters while digging deeper into the soil? Mario needs to have diverse character interaction while crushing a Goomba's head? I need a story to explain why I'm driving so crazy in Burnout Paradise?

If all games had stories, then they'd just be interactive movies.

I'm glad not all games are heavily story-based, cause it would make the industry boring and stale. We need those fun games like Mega Man, Mario, Zelda, Pac-Man, Sonic, etc. too keep things fresh and interesting.

They are called Genres people. Arcade game, why would they have a story, they were originally arcade games, or made later in an attempt to mimic their design. Now what i meant was something like this: Would you enjoy playing portal as much with no GLaDOS? Because she was added for the story, not necessary for gameplay. Would you enjoy Fable if it was mindless killing with no attempt to actually do anything other than be good or evil? Would Zelda games be any good if Link weren't saving the princess and instead just decided, "Hey imma go get me a sword and slice some stuff!" No, that'd be dumb. Stories help form complex games and give them reason. Youur mario example doesnt make sense to me, maybe we are looking at this different ways but if i'm wrong please correct me. Last time i played mario I crushed a goomba because he was in my way. Thats gameplay right? but why did I crush him? I wanted to beat the level and eventually save princess peach from bowser! That's story. If mario was a collection of random levels it still would be a little fun for a while. But having nothing to shoot for, no goal or point, I wouldn't go back to play it again thats for sure.

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The comparison between MP3 and H:R is unfair. The MP3 screenshot is blown out of proportion like a 3DS screenshot in a magazine. Even when they're the same size though, Halo will be somewhat more detailed. However, that screenshot is an exaggeration. The Wii is not too good at graphics though. Don't try to say it's good enough. I'm a Nintendo fan, but Wii graphics have not aged well recently. Wii U should at least be close to the other 8th gen systems. And graphics don't make a game fun.

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LordTendoboy

bossmank wrote:

If Mario was a collection of random levels it still would be a little fun for a while.

Super Mario 3D Land says hi. As do Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 (I know the Galaxy games have stories, but I'm just proving your point).

And there's a difference between a small plot in an instruction book and a game filled with cutscenes that interrupt the gameplay. That is what I am talking about when I refer to games with stories. I hate how modern games interrupt the gameplay with cutscenes, it pulls me out of the experience.

The way Valve tells it's stories through gameplay is exactly what I want in a "cinematic" game. The story should compliment the gameplay, be integrated with it, just like how Valve does it.

I would absolutely love it if the next Zelda had a story that unfolded while I was exploring dungeons. No more cutscenes, no more handholding, no more "you need to go here and do this cause it's your destiny" crap. The next Zelda should take a page from Valve and have the story in real-time, while I'm playing the game. That is how story in games should be done.

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Valve tell a story well because they have a good story to tell.

Also, if a cutscene is what detaches you from a game, why are you complaining about graphics/sound/whatever? If a cutscene detaches you from a game, why are you playing games that have cutscenes?

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Valve tell a story well because they have a good story to tell.

Also, if a cutscene is what detaches you from a game, why are you complaining about graphics/sound/whatever? If a cutscene detaches you from a game, why are you playing games that have cutscenes?

Because if the gameplay, story, and characters draw me in, then I can overlook the cutscenes. But you'll never catch me playing a Metal Gear Solid game with those extremely lengthy cutscenes.

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gaming has never been about graphics , you can tell what generation some of these peeps come from if their gaming is all about HD.. imo haha true gamers play anything old new standard or hd enough said ? ha id like to think so ;p

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gaming has never been about graphics , you can tell what generation some of these peeps come from if their gaming is all about HD.. imo haha true gamers play anything old new standard or hd enough said ? ha id like to think so ;p

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Gameday wrote:

gaming has never been about graphics , you can tell what generation some of these peeps come from if their gaming is all about HD.. imo haha true gamers play anything old new standard or hd enough said ? ha id like to think so ;p

So because I started playing games during the SNES era, and I care about graphics, I'm not a true gamer?

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Gameday wrote:

gaming has never been about graphics , you can tell what generation some of these peeps come from if their gaming is all about HD.. imo haha true gamers play anything old new standard or hd enough said ? ha id like to think so ;p

So because I started playing games during the SNES era, and I care about graphics, I'm not a true gamer?

I didn't notice the "true gamers" thing in his post. There's no such thing as a "true gamer" or "hardcore gamer." It's just "gamer," that's it.

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This is clearly something opinionated. Some gamers care for graphics because they feel that they enhance the experience of the game. Graphics play one of the biggest parts in a video game, and arguably, HD is just the advancement of clarity and detail visualised in video games. But HD is the big thing in graphics now. It isn't just a nice visual gimmick: it adds to the depth.

"True" gamers don't care about graphics? Well, I guess these "true" gamers would've just preferred if all past generation consoles had just stuck to retro-bit graphics, and never bothered to advance a single pixel in the graphics of game. That's essentially what a few people are saying here.

You can complain all you want because we have all these graphics nowadays for granted, but if they weren't here, would you be able to say that graphics don't matter? I think not. Of course, for some, graphics don't play as big a part, but they still do matter. Nobody likes an ugly game.

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Gameday wrote:

gaming has never been about graphics , you can tell what generation some of these peeps come from if their gaming is all about HD.. imo haha true gamers play anything old new standard or hd enough said ? ha id like to think so ;p

So because I started playing games during the SNES era, and I care about graphics, I'm not a true gamer?

Ha i said "imo" i think a tru gamer it wouldnt matter but as u just stated.. lol to each his own.
Does that mean that anyone would abandon there old games cause they arent in HD ? Its kinda like you denying your past in sense. Do you still play your old games or even have them ?

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