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Topic: someone is claiming overheating is causing botw framerate drops

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derrin

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DecksUpMySleeve Phobos • 3 days ago
The drops are due to heat spikes, just thermal sink the front and back of the dock with a couple horizontal 1-1.5 liter Fiji bottles. My system never reached over 80F or skipped a beat.

Phobos DecksUpMySleeve • 3 days ago
Ah so it's an overheating issue, coming from Nintendo it's kind of odd. How are they going to fix that, can't use bottles of Fiji water to cool it down all the time.

DecksUpMySleeve Phobos • 2 days ago
It's just when docked, and I have full bottles flush on both sides(as it's an upright system), seems to work like a charm.
Sometimes there're hiccups right after starting the game and loading my says, a few seconds at best but other than that I get no stutters even after playing 6hrs.

DecksUpMySleeve • 3 days ago
Played it for hours tonight, docked never got over 80F and near no dips below 30.
Attemptingly I fill (2) 1.5liter Fiji bottles and place them flattly on the font and back of the system with a 39watt power maximum even warming this thermal sink would take playing(non-idle) over 24 hours, runs smoothly as any other nintendo title.

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https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/245250-breath-wild-amazing...


Has anyone else tried this? Is there any confirmation of this having an impact?
If this was true, a better dock could be a solution, something that did more cooling...

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skadollax

Wow.... that might explain why one of my units appeared to have more frame rate drops than the other in the same places within Zelda.

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twindragon

@derrin wtf would you try to put bottles of fiji water on your switch to get better performance!! Why not throw the switch in the trash if thats the case or go get your money back and curse nintendo for making you even think about putting water bottles on your switch if it over heats. lol Like that to me is un acceptable

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Eel

What's so unthinkable about placing some well-closed bottles of fresh water next to a slightly-hot electronic?

Sounds like a clever temporary solution and the Fiji bottles do have the perfect shape for it.

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-Juice-

BotW has framerate drops on the Wii U too. The truth is that the Switch port is just the Wii U version with better lighting, view distance, and textures here and there. It's not properly optimized for the Switch and because of this it doesn't run as good as it could.

I'm not denying thar overheating can produce similar problems, but that takes time and wouldn't be solely dependent on game location. Overheating shouldn't just be producing lag. If your system is overheating it's very likely it'll crash because of it.

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Dezzy

Fairly easy to test. Find one of those locations in the game where there are common framedrops, like in one of the forests, and load a game there the second you turn the console on (after it having been off for a while). If it has framerate problems straight away, it's unlikely to be a heat issue, because the console's not gonna get that hot that quickly.

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AlexSays

This is why I keep all my consoles in the refrigerator and run extra long cables to my TV in the living room.

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Wavetactic

Haven't played in the dock too much, but if someone can test this it would be pretty interesting hearing their findings.

This information was outdated.
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Honelith

After watching a Switch teardown video, the cooling seems very adequate, well designed and well placed. The Switch while docked and after playing Zelda for several hours, I pulled out the Switch and had a good feel, the console doesn't feel hot at all, I watched another vid claiming the conslole hits around 40°C, not sure how accurate it is though. Would love to see an update on Switch temps.

Are people covering the top vent or something?

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Jeronan

@Honelith Since it's mass production and being a lot of complaints of faulty units ( I am one of those unlucky people), it is not unthinkable that there are a lot of units out there with not enough thermal paste or faulty connected fans, so the SoC doesn't get cooled as properly as other units.

So not unthinkable that there is a variation in temperature buildup among different units and some people experiencing worse performance than others. :-/

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mav-i-am

As using the switch in handheld mode negates the frame rate issues, I don't think this could be true.

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Jeronan

mav-i-am wrote:

As using the switch in handheld mode negates the frame rate issues, I don't think this could be true.

The clockspeeds are reduced by 40% when undocked.

Jeronan

Honelith

Jeronan wrote:

@Honelith Since it's mass production and being a lot of complaints of faulty units ( I am one of those unlucky people), it is not unthinkable that there are a lot of units out there with not enough thermal paste or faulty connected fans, so the SoC doesn't get cooled as properly as other units.

So not unthinkable that there is a variation in temperature buildup among different units and some people experiencing worse performance than others. :-/

Yeah, that's probably the case. I do wonder if those with overheating issues have thermal paste which isn't where it should be or there's too little or the fan doesn't run at full speed when it should?

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heartofheorient

thank you @derrin. It's a shame that my post was promptly deleted...

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Almighty-Koz

i fully wanna call bs for a few reasons, one the dock doesnt get warm at all and plastic doesnt do a good job of transfering heat(the dock is made of decently think plastic. so i call bs on this "solution". first thing the back of the dock is what 2 inches thick with a big gap there, on top of that being a issue of you not being able to get a water bottle to the system itself 2" of empty holldow plastic DOES NOT CONDUCT HEAT. thermal temps on my system never chaged from room temp, ill try to catch a video later of me showing this. the system does get warmer when you aim at the exhaust port on top of the console but for a heat transfer to work you need to put the bottles on the actual tablet part. now im not saying some people are having issues jiust saying that water bottle solution doesnt make any sense.

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Almighty-Koz

Jeronan wrote:

mav-i-am wrote:

As using the switch in handheld mode negates the frame rate issues, I don't think this could be true.

The clockspeeds are reduced by 40% when undocked.

yes when undocked the framerate issues go away .

also the "system" isnt 40% lower just the gpu speeds, the cpu and memory controllers can still run at full speed, whats also to note when running undocked the resolution is roughly 30% lower the textures are lower and the draw distance is slightly lower, allowing for a similar look in undocked mode due to the smaller screen. so the GPU doesnt need to run at 100% which would drain the battery super fast.

Switch docked/undocked

..................................CPU..................GPU........................Memory
Undocked..........1020MHz ..........307.2MHz ..............1331/1600MHz
Docked..............1020MHz........307.2/768MHz .........1331/1600MHz

those are straight from this article http://www.polygon.com/2016/12/19/14005792/nintendo-switch-do...

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talclipse

I can 100% Confirm the fps drops are because of heat and so can you.go to an area with lots of trees and bulidings while docked.pan the camera around and you should start to see the drops.

Now pull the switch out of the dock and blow throw the switches bottom vents in the back for a few seconds,pop the switch back into the dock and pan the camera.no drops for a few secs then they will come back.

This is clearly Thermal Throttling.i for one am going to install 1 or two 60-80mm fans in the back of the dock to stop this.

talclipse

talclipse

Almighty-Koz wrote:

i fully wanna call bs for a few reasons, one the dock doesnt get warm at all and plastic doesnt do a good job of transfering heat(the dock is made of decently think plastic. so i call bs on this "solution". first thing the back of the dock is what 2 inches thick with a big gap there, on top of that being a issue of you not being able to get a water bottle to the system itself 2" of empty holldow plastic DOES NOT CONDUCT HEAT. thermal temps on my system never chaged from room temp, ill try to catch a video later of me showing this. the system does get warmer when you aim at the exhaust port on top of the console but for a heat transfer to work you need to put the bottles on the actual tablet part. now im not saying some people are having issues jiust saying that water bottle solution doesnt make any sense.

Its not bullpoo.try the test out i just Described above.for one the dock blocks off HALF of the switchs rear bottom vents,and the 2nd way is that it Insulates the switch from Radiating its heat.

Basically it acts like a big ole blanket,blocks half the cool air from entering while upping the output Resolution and rampping up the gpu while docked.a very poor design once you start looking into it.

Mario odyssey nor splatoon 2 have this issue.but i think zelda is just pushing the switch to its limits is why we are seeing it in that game.
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Heavyarms55

I put 110 hours into the game without any overheating issues. What temp is your room at?

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