I know a lot of people that bought a Switch and sold it as soon as they had completed BoTW. Each to their own. I'm in it for the long-haul.
Think of it this way: if you've already got a PS4 and 2DS, what does the Switch give you? Switch exclusives like Arms aren't exactly appealing, and the release lineup is really sparse.
When you've got a PS4, you can play the best home console games, and with 2DS, you can play the best dedicated handheld games, both with game libraries so vast that they utterly dwarf the meager selection that Switch has. It's not even a competition.
Switch has only been out for 4 months and you're comparing it to consoles that have 3+ years of games in their library?
That's the whole point. PS4 and 2DS already have years worth of great games to play. Switch doesn't. And it isn't just the existing games, it's the upcoming games, too. Both PS4 and 2DS easily beat Switch when it comes to soon to be released games. A new system should be getting games at a fast pace, but the Switch just isn't. All the games are going to PS4 or 2DS.
@Mahe
Makes total sense. Why buy a new system when the old ones have more games? I always said, this industry should've just stopped with the Atari 2600. The thing has over 500 games for it. Why even bother launching new systems if they're just going to have fewer games than the hardware that's already out there?
@Mahe So youre gonna have this stance with the PS5 right?
You do realise you are asking for 1983 again though.
If a system launched with as many games as its predecessor then the PS5 will easily launch on day 1 with 4000 titles if not more. Most of those wont sell because gamers simply CANT buy them as its severe oversaturation. Games dont sell, companies dont earn. Investors lose confidence in companies. Public loses confidence in games. The market stalls again.
Furthermore as cool as your suggestion is, its unsustainable! Youd want thr PS5 to have as many games in a day as PS4 had at the ebd if its life. The PS5 would then accumulate games over its life. So itd start with 4000 day 1 and swell to say 8000.
What happens with the PS6? Do you want that to launch with 8000 games or is that a failure too? Then what about the PS7? Would you expect that to have as many games as the PS6 the second it lands?
Get your head out man. Ive never heard such verbal diarrhoea in my life. As I said on the sister site, you would open a business and declare bankruptcy if you didnt double your sales day over day because you live in some fantasy land.
I think he is actually delusional. His expectations defy all labour regulations less he advocates slavery in game development, and its economical suicide for the market.
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@rallydefault Is Atari 2600 getting the new games that PS4 and 2DS are getting? Does Atari 2600 have the great games that are available on PS4 and 2DS?
@Mahe Do you not remember the PS4 launch? Do you not remember the 3DS launch? Do you not remember how few games were in either library for the first year or so comparatively? That's how a new console works. That's how all new consoles work. Old platforms always have a bigger pipeline of games. Because they're old platforms and the games have been in production for years.
You're not arguing against Switch, you're arguing against early adoption of consoles in general.
2DS is an old outgoing platform, to be phased out in favor of Switch. Switch is its replacement, quite clearly. If you want to play "the best handheld games" you're going to need that Switch sooner or later. And a growing amount of Vita's games seem to be migrating to Switch as well. Among games that come to PS4 AND Switch, you get to pick if you want them to look their best, or if you want to be able to pick it up and play it on a handheld. Choice is a wonderful thing.
@NEStalgia I do remember. PS4 had a flying start, with several great games in the early months. And the upcoming game list for PS4 started building up really fast.
3DS... not so much. It was a bad launch, but that ecosystem really started picking up when Nintendo released the 2DS.
@Mahe The best handheld games are on the Switch. Breath of the Wild, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, ARMS, Splatoon 2, Mario and all that within the first 6 months. Usually I'd put "in my opinion" but let's be honest there isn't a handheld around that could even come close to the quality capable on the Switch including Nintendos own 2DS.
If the 3DS is going out why did Nintendo make the 2DS XL you ask? Same reason they made the Wii Mini in 2013. And the Xbox 360 E came out in 2013 too. Lets not forget the revisions of the Vita and PSP.
Its called an end of life profit maximiser. It becomes an entry level system due to age and library that is relatively cgeap to produce compared to its early life with shortcuts and hardware revisions to drive costs down and maximise profits all while selling at a lower price.
New product comes out, take the prior one, slim it down, cut the price, boom. Entry level.
You know what we call that? The PS4 Slim.
Now dear youve clearly banged your head. Want me to call the nurse? Amnesia is a terrible thing as is selective blindness.
@Mahe You must have been playing a different PS4 model than the one I got on launch day. Mine had Knack (which I seem to be in the minority of enjoying), that grotesquely rushed-to-release Killzone which was one of the most "meh" shooter's I'd played in a while, and a bunch of multiplats also on X360 and PS3 (and some even on WiiU.) Then months of PS3 ports. And that was the Holiday window. I didn't start getting it's wings until the second year. I wasn't disappointed though as I didn't expect different. But no use sugar coating: the launch year was pretty dead.
Why did Nintendo launch the NES-Edition 3DS XL with a big marketing push 12 weeks before releasing the New3DSXL? To sell more hardware and make more money. Just because 3DS is outgoing, doesn't mean people aren't buying them (Sony STILL sells PS2, yes, TWO, in Japan!) It's outgoing but does still have some games coming out people might want the hardware for, including a new (if rehashed) Pokemon for which a new lower cost unit that can be an "upgrade" is desirable in some cases. And in Japan, DQ11 is a MASSIVE one that many PS4 owners that don't own a 3DS (are there any in Japan?) where people may pick up t I suspect the N3DSXL will be discontinued before the N2DSXL, leaving it as a budget legacy machine in the vein of Wii Mini. The library is huge, and there's definitely demand for it. Particularly without backward compatibility unlike the past few machines (there was no way to really support that), there's a bigger reason to keep it on the market longer to continue selling the library. There ARE some excellent games still coming for it. Some are new (can't abandon an old console upon immediate launch of a successor), and some are localizations of games that have already been out in Japan for some time , but are new to us. Japan sales have already transitioned heavily to Switch. It's not "dead" and its' not going to be "killed off" WiiU style, for sure. But it's also clear it's winding down in terms of new development, with most of that transferring to Switch.
For this year, I can't fault you for preferring the 3DS lineup of games if you like the 3DS's library. It has some great games coming (some of the best are late localizations here...they're already out in Japan.) I love 3DS, but I admit to groaning every time "all the good games" were for 3DS in Spring instead of Switch. So it's fair, but after the next year, pretty much all that kind of content you're looking for will be redirected toward Switch. These games coming out now have been in the works for 1-3 years and they're just kind of draining the end of the pipeline. You'll be wanting that Switch at some point for the kind of games you've been enjoying on 3DS. If you hold out long enough though and like the small form factor MAYBE the "Switch Mini" everyone expects will be out for you by then.
@Mahe
Yea, man. E.T. The Extra Terrestrial is one of the best games I've ever played, and it has a sick version of Pong. And with an established library of nearly 600 games, there's no reason for companies to develop new hardware or consumers to buy new hardware. The new stuff will just have fewer games. Makes no logical sense.
So I'm with you 100%. It's ridiculous that new systems don't come out with libraries that are just as large and celebrated as the systems before them. I'm surprised people haven't caught on to this by now.
It's one of those things that have always bugged me with anything Nintendo...the consoles, granted they have the love from the NINTENDO-ONLY titles, they just don't seem to stick with you forever as they tend to lack what the other companies have. Now, I own a PS3 and PS4, so I'm not too worried about what other features are in or on a nintendo console, but if you don't have a secondary console, then it's rough. My thoughts for you, would be to keep it at least for another year, and see what comes and gets added later on...if then you are not happy, get rid of it, but right now, after paying and putting all of that money into it, you wouldn't get back as much as what you put towards it...and, just like I ended up getting rid of my Wii U, you'll end up missing a game or two later on down the years...reason why I still have my Atari, NES, Genesis, Dreamcast, PS1, Ps2, Ps3, PS4, Xbox, 32X, Gamecube (my favorite), N64 and the Wii. Wii U and the DS and 3DS are the only nintendo systems I didn't really find myself wanting to keep around, and for some reason, still don't really miss.
There may be some remaining stock that is still in stores, but officially PS2 production has ended. And even if those old PS2 models sell 10 or a 100 systems a week in Japan, untracked, that really doesn't matter to anyone.
It's whole different deal with the New 2DS XL, which just sold 43 thousand systems, and with the rest of the 2DS/3DS hardware family on top of that, they sold over 58,000 systems in just one week. 9 out of the top 20 games were for 2DS and 3DS systems. 6 were for PS4.
That is a massive sales success. New 2DS XL will keep selling for a long time.
@Mahe The sales for the New 2DS in Japan for last week are okay. What do you think will happen next week? Which game do you think will be the top seller in Japan in next weeks media create? If the Switch tops both the game and hardware charts what will that prove? Stake your claim and we shall reconvene in a weeks time.
@BigBadJohn Im prepping the roast for when he says it didnt outsell Splatoon 1 even if it has better 1st week sales.
He seems to confuse lifetime sales for weekly and the poor dear freaks out.
And please dont let him stake anything anywhere. We will never get the BS stains out of the carpet. We just changed that after the Wii U led to everyone dumping on the old carpet!
That's the whole point. PS4 and 2DS already have years worth of great games to play. Switch doesn't. And it isn't just the existing games, it's the upcoming games, too. Both PS4 and 2DS easily beat Switch when it comes to soon to be released games. A new system should be getting games at a fast pace, but the Switch just isn't. All the games are going to PS4 or 2DS.
Even if I was to entertain your theory here you're kinda missing one key point. The games on those three platforms are vastly different. Stop and think about it for a second and actually look at the major games that are coming out or have come out this year....
Switch:
Mario Kart 8, Splatoon 2, ARMS, Zelda:BotW, Super Mario Odyssey, Pokken Tournament, Mario & Rabbids
PS4:
Horizon, Destiny 2, Red Dead 2, Battlefront 2, CoD WW2, Injustice 2, Middle-earth: Shadow of War
Even if I ignore 2018 these are entirely different kinds of lists of games. And I'd wager that in 2018 the 3DS list will shrink further while the Switch list grows. So far from "all" of the games going to 3DS and PS4 I reckon it's at most a split between 3DS and Switch for Nintendo. If anything the Switch is already well ahead in terms of quality of content given the 3DS is mostly getting 2D games.
It's whole different deal with the New 2DS XL, which just sold 43 thousand systems, and with the rest of the 2DS/3DS hardware family on top of that, they sold over 58,000 systems in just one week. 9 out of the top 20 games were for 2DS and 3DS systems. 6 were for PS4..
For one week in one region with a hardware. Globally the Switch has outsold the 3DS by ~3x so far this year. It's the best selling piece of hardware in both the US and Japan and is behind only the PS4 globally. In terms of software? It's a bit further behind because of the lower install base but in the US for software sales so far this year it's ahead of the 3DS already.
The 3DS' days are numbered whether you like it or not.
Switch:
Mario Kart 8, Splatoon 2, ARMS, Zelda:BotW, Super Mario Odyssey, Pokken Tournament, Mario & Rabbids
PS4:
Horizon, Destiny 2, Red Dead 2, Battlefront 2, CoD WW2, Injustice 2, Middle-earth: Shadow of War,
You missed a few PS4 titles worth mentioning
Resident Evil 7, Gravity Rush 2, The Last Guardian, Marvel vs Capcom Infinite, Persona 5, Final Fantasy 12, Crash N Sane Trilogy, Uncharted: Lost Legacy, The Evil Within 2, Yakuza 0, MLB The Show 17, Hitman, Kingdom Hearts Remixes
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