Topic: Pokemon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon discussion

It's gotta be the most boring lead-up to not one, but two Pokemon games. You would think that a good reason to make two follow up versions instead of one means extra content, but we haven't seen any of it, except that event-exclusive Lycanroc...

There aren't even a lot of interesting rumours and leaks like last year.

Anyway, the Pokemon World Championships start tomorrow, and key staff of GameFreak is present, so I expect something on USUM. Don't get your hopes up though. I've got a feeling the games will be nothing more than Sun and Moon with a tiny bit extra.

@Octane To be honest, my wallet and time would appreciate that so I really don't mind if these entries aren't appealing to pokemon sun/moon owners. I think these entries are relatively young and I prefer to enjoy them as much as I can before moving to a new one.

Nah, it's the same for me.

Well, playing a new pokemon without knowing every single little detail beforehand would be a welcome experience.

So I don't mind the lack of news.

For the last few games, they have been giving us pretty much all there's to know about everything.

@Octane I mean, that's sort of what Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum were.

At most we'll probably get a slightly altered story, move tutors, some new forms, possibly a new area, and that's about it. Hopefully some new Alolan forms and better post game content.

The reveal at Worlds will probably be something related to Mimikyu.

I don't want to know everything about the new games but I'd prefer to know some of the differences between the originals and these new ones. I hope it's like Black 2/White 2 where for Black/White. Those were my favourite Pokémon sequels.

@IceClimbers Which is my point. If they're not much different from Sun and Moon, why even bother with two versions? Just make one. I think that B2W2 changed up the region quite a lot, and I can see why they went with two versions.

Why Mimikyu though? The anime came out today and it was nothing special, the ''leaked'' image of Mimikyu was fake too. I think people were reading too much into that anime preview.

And in case you're wondering; Here's Mimikyu without its disguise (but in a paper bag):

Mimikyu Paperbag Form. Ghost/Normal.
Ability: Delicate. This pokemon is so concerned about getting hit that it will try its best to avoid it. (natural +2 evasion -2 defense).

I was so disappointed when I realized there was no way to enter the golf course at all.

Yeah, I'll come back... when Game Freak finally figures out open world.

A BW2 size expansion would require new islands (and it's unlikely we'll get new islands because we would need new Tapus), there's not enough empty landmass to expand the region anywhere near that much. In fact, the land is all pretty much full up. USUM is probably going to have more of an Emerald level expansion than a BW2 level expansion, we'll probably see a bunch of smaller areas added like the Golf Course, but the core region design is probably going to be the same.

Yeah, move tutors are a must and a serious VGC rebalance.

Also, we need post game content on the level the delta missions.

Forget the Delta Episode. Let's see post game on the level of Platinum and BW2.

I don't see why they wouldn't be able to add new islands.

Alola has four main islands, but we know there's also other smaller ones without guardians, and we know artificial islands are a viable option.

There's also the ever popular "expand the islands because you can" option".

And there's the fact that one of the big islands is basically empty.

The silence is slightly disconcerting, I admit. I'm not too bothered yet though since I'm just now digging into Sun.

"Hey guys, remember the battle frontier? Here, have a reminder that it isn't in the game."

"But don't worry we have the battle maison. It's the exact same one from the previous game, we wouldn't want to confuse you with too many changes!"

I seem to have spawned some sort of meme.

Anyway, I think the Delta episode was the best production values Pokemon has ever had for post game content. Finally returning to the top of the tower for the notoriously grindy Rayquaza capture battle only to have it expanded upon even more was my favorite thing Pokemon has done in a while. Obviously this was 2+ years on and unrelated, but the animated short for Delta was excellent to — were those called 'Pokemon Legends?'

And of course Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum are the gold standard for end game. That was the first generation with so many legendaries and they each felt like secrets hidden around the world. Plus it was the DS era so googling the answer on your phone hadn't become an option yet, you would have to ask friends if you weren't savvy.

I didn't play Black and White 2 because the first games put me off of it so terribly with a whole town that was just an empty, unfinished field unless you were doing some connectivity nonsense. Among an unenjoyable cast of Pokemon and levels.

I never got around to playing Platinum or Soul Silver either mind you, so it was probably a help that Diamond had a great end game from day one.

I didn't like White at all. White 2 might be my favorite pokemon game though, or at least in the top 3.

I agree that the post-games for Gen 4 and 5 were the strongest, particularly in comparison to recent entries (can't speak for Sun/Moon yet though). The Delta Episode was short, but I did find it pretty decent.

As long as we dont ever go back to XY style post game.

I.e. none

We will be fine.