@Dezzy Yeah, it's a shame we cant quantify the immunity rate over time, as it should be increasing. I bet that data takes months, or a year+ to collect and be usable.
@Dezzy Oof. Yeah, what I've heard, some say they aren't finding data showing herd immunity. Possibly heard that on NHK World. I watch a lot of NHK since I can't stand US cable news anymore. Thanks for sharing the article.
EDIT: I wish google, or google news had a scientific sources search, or medical/.edu results only filter. I get tired of sorting through sources I dont recognize, or don't trust. I mean, I end up adding "site:.edu" to searches, but I wish there was a better way.
@Dezzy Oof. The reference for that article is more bleak. Dr Mike Ryan of World Health Organization basically says the term "herd immunity" is being misused.
"Herd immunity is an epidemiological term usually reserved to describe how the population as a whole is protected from a disease depending on the levels of people vaccinated.
For instance, when 90-95 per cent of the population is vaccinated against measles, this should be enough to protect others who are unable to get an inoculation - such as babies before they reach the age at which they can be immunised.
Asked about the concept being applied to the Covid-19 pandemic, the WHO said "no-one is safe until everyone is safe" and it is "dangerous" to think that countries can "magically reach herd immunity".
Dr Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO's health emergencies programme, told a press briefing in Geneva: "Humans are not herds, and, as such, the concept of herd immunity is generally reserved for calculating how many people will need to be vaccinated and the population in order to generate that effect.
"This is a serious disease, this is public enemy number one, we have been saying it over and over and over and over again."
He said "no one is safe until everyone is safe", adding: "So I do think this idea that 'maybe countries who had lax measures and haven't done anything will all of a sudden magically reach some herd immunity, and so what if we lose a few old people along the way?' - this is a really dangerous, dangerous calculation."
aaand here everyone is waiting on a second stimulus check.
they vote tonight lol
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As @ogo79 said, the SNS-RZ-USA is a prime giveaway that it's not a legit retail cart.
And yes, he is (usually) always right, and he is (almost) the sexiest gamer out there (not counting me) ;)
@ogo79 The House voted tonight, interestingly with only bipartisan dissent. That thing is so DOA in the Senate, though. Politicians are a silly bunch, for sure. They still got paid, though...
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They included a ton of deliberately partisan issues in that bill, that have nothing to do with an economic stimulus. Like mail-in voting. An issue that everyone knows is very contentious.
It's designed to fail so they can point fingers. That's why the price tag is so deliberately huge and republicans say they weren't consulted on it at all (which you generally do if you want something to pass through a split congress).
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we will see.
trump wants us to go back to work and risk getting infected.
i know you know that though
the_shpydar wrote:
As @ogo79 said, the SNS-RZ-USA is a prime giveaway that it's not a legit retail cart.
And yes, he is (usually) always right, and he is (almost) the sexiest gamer out there (not counting me) ;)
on a different note
i have 8 million cases of spam
who dont like spam
the_shpydar wrote:
As @ogo79 said, the SNS-RZ-USA is a prime giveaway that it's not a legit retail cart.
And yes, he is (usually) always right, and he is (almost) the sexiest gamer out there (not counting me) ;)
Well despite the lockdown restrictions slowly starting to lift I'm still being made to feel unwelcome in alot of stores because of all these paranoid fools. Went to a meijer yesterday and while standing in line to ring up my purchases the cashier lady yells at me to get back. Like i was too close to suit her or something. Usually I'm cool about it but after the 5th time that's happened this week i had enough and just walked outta the store. I'm getting so sick of people treating everyone like they have plague or something.
What do i need to bring a note from the doctor saying I'm clean anytime i go shopping? I suppose if i go out without a mask somebody is gonna try charging me with attempted murder. Oh god germs! Run for the hills aunt bessie! Seriously this needs to stop! The over reacting, the mass histeria, the germophobia all of it! I've had it!
Well despite the lockdown restrictions slowly starting to lift I'm still being made to feel unwelcome in alot of stores because of all these paranoid fools. Went to a meijer yesterday and while standing in line to ring up my purchases the cashier lady yells at me to get back. Like i was too close to suit her or something. Usually I'm cool about it but after the 5th time that's happened this week i had enough and just walked outta the store. I'm getting so sick of people treating everyone like they have plague or something.
What do i need to bring a note from the doctor saying I'm clean anytime i go shopping? I suppose if i go out without a mask somebody is gonna try charging me with attempted murder. Oh god germs! Run for the hills aunt bessie! Seriously this needs to stop! The over reacting, the mass histeria, the germophobia all of it! I've had it!
Were you standing 2m apart? If not then that's on you and she was right to ask you to get back.
Dezzy Yeah, it's a shame we cant quantify the immunity rate over time, as it should be increasing. I bet that data takes months, or a year+ to collect and be usable.
The funny things is immunity may not actually come from being infected with it, there's evidence of people getting it a second time due to antibodies not being produced in high enough levels/at all in the body. The younger/healthier people who only get very mild symptoms didn't produce enough antibodies as it wasn't a strong enough stimulus, it's actually the older people and more severe cases that are producing antibodies and therefore get immunity till a real vaccine comes.
@jump The funny things is immunity may not actually come from being infected with it, there's evidence of people getting it a second time due to antibodies not being produced in high enough levels/at all in the body.
Yeah, in line with that, NHK World was talking about covid cases in the asia region, even though people seem to recover from symptoms, they can still test positive weeks later. A lot of people are actually still testing positive after recovering. Although, there hasn't been enough data to quantify it. Currently, they won't let people leave the hospital until they've tested negative twice. And even that's not a guarantee they've gotten rid of it.
I'd really like to know if we're using the same tests as South Korea, since they've been held up as best model of success (if you want to call it that. They seem to be the most successful, anyway).
@Zeldafan79 Unfortunately, we know the Covid-19 spreads before people have symptoms, AND when people never have symptoms. We also know it's being transferred by the air, from talking, especially loud talking & singing, especially in closed spaces. (non-medical masks aren't full proof, just better than no mask). When people don't take precauctions: distance, wear masks, wash hands, we also know Covid-19 spreads at an exponential rate. (the infection rate is an exponential curve. search covid & exponential rate if you like.)
We have precautionary measures because, we've had fast spreading viral outbreak problems in the past, Ebola, Spanish Flu, and others. While covid death rates may not be high, the fact it spreads SO fast, it still results in lots of death. So, when people say the death rate is like the flu, that may be true, but flu does not spread as crazy fast as Covid-19.
While we don't have a vaccine or effective treatments for the deadly covid19 symptoms, all we have is distancing, masks, hand washing, etc. And yeah, it sucks. But that's why covid will continue being a threat until we have effective treatment for deadly symptoms or vaccine. Historical precedent tells us 12-18 months is the earliest we are likely to see a vaccine. February? is 12 months, I think.
@ogo79 I mean, I'm not a spam fan, but I'll eat it. Now if ya got some a them jalepeno Vienna sausages....
gotta try those
the_shpydar wrote:
As @ogo79 said, the SNS-RZ-USA is a prime giveaway that it's not a legit retail cart.
And yes, he is (usually) always right, and he is (almost) the sexiest gamer out there (not counting me) ;)
At the beginning of May, scientists at the South Korean CDC concluded that it's impossible to catch COVID-19 twice as the virus cannot be reactivated in the human body. The number of cases of people seemingly falling ill for a 2nd time in SK, Japan and China, could all be put down to testing failures.
Unsurprisingly, not many places reported it at the time.I read it on Sky News, buried deep on their website despite the fact the article had just gone live. You'd think promising news like that would be widely reported headline news but nope, the media just want to keep peddling fear.
I said on here 2 months ago that I believed the virus to be a deliberate attack on the West by the CCP and I believe it even more so now, a deliberate well orchestrated attack that runs far deeper than just the CCP. How deep, we'll probably never know but it's clear that there's far more to this. In my opinion, to still suggest that there's not more to this at this stage, is as absurd as some of the wackiest conspiracy theories out there.
I mean... at this point if someone said that the USA itself was actually created by China in order to make the entirety of Western civilisation look aggressively incompetent I’d have half a mind to believe them.
Has any evidence at all surfaced to suggest the virus was manufactured? If the aim was to attack the West, spending the first few months attacking your own country and grinding manufactured to a halt seems a bit counterproductive.
@Maxz No, there's no evidence for that. Any virologist will tell you that the virus is too complex to be man-made; the technology to create a virus like this one doesn't even exist.
But in the end people are looking to point fingers. Similar conspiracies go around in China where they say it is an attack on China by the US.
I know that a lab-created bio-weapon is a story too good to pass up on, but really all it does is distract from the actual cause. Some of the wet markets in certain areas on China are a breeding ground for viruses like these. And this isn't the first time a virus originates from a wet market. If anything, pressure should be put on China to find a solution to prevent this from happening again in the future, because if things continue like they do, it's only a matter or when the next one will emerge.
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