Topic: almost ready to sell my switch

Well I don't know about globally but in Australia we hit 1 mobile subscription per person in the last year. That includes infants and the elderly. So I don't know about tablets specifically but in Australia at least I think it's fair to assume that just about everyone has a smart device. Especially when most tablet devices sold are WiFi only and aren't attached to a mobile subscription.

Then there's the fact that we're talking specifically about people who have a Netflix subscription. People who not only have a Netflix subscription but are buying brand new game consoles soon after launch. We're not talking about a group of people who need the Switch in order to watch Netflix. We're talking about people who already have access to a device that can stream Netflix and would maybe like it also on the Switch. It's not a PS2/DVD style scenario it's more of a download code for an album you brought on vinyl.

Should it be on there? Yes. I think it'd be a nice device to consume content on other than just games. Frankly it's the first console I've owned that I've actually felt that way about TBH. It's portable, it makes sense for it to do these things. But is it the end of the world? Is Nintendo doomed because it's not there? No. I don't think so. It's still a decent device without it. And while we're here....

If you actually got over your ego for a second and looked that the numbers you'd see that this is pure BS. The Switch after two months of sales data is the fastest selling console in at least two console generations. Portable and home console. If you were to rank the 5 fastest selling consoles at launch since '04:

#1 Switch
#2 PS4
#3 Wii
#4 DS
#5 XBOne

And most (all?) of those other platforms launched just before Christmas. You're wrong.

And look at how many are for sale with inflated prices. Craigslist is filled with people selling the Switch for $400+. A lot of these people have 5 or more units for sale. Yes the Switch is selling out like crazy but it doesnt help that scalpers are buying them all up and re-selling them for more.

And the Switch has sold 1.2 million units compared to 1.1 million Wii units after 2 months.

Not to mention the PS4 and XB1 were neck and neck after 2 months of sales and now the PS4 doubles the XB1 in units sold. So the first 2 months means absolutely nothing...... So it does not mean Nintendo has done something right to sell units so fast. Thats what happens when new consoles launch.

@Lethal @skywake

Eh, I think both of you are "wrong" because trying to compare this kind of stuff is impossible. Scalping and simple supply differences will make any sort of comparison between consoles silly to even attempt. To do something like this properly, all things would need to be equal: equal price of console, equal number of consoles available, identical replenishment numbers and cycles, etc.

None of which are ever going to happen in the real world.

So you guys are just arguing over something even more hypothetical than fantasy football choices, in my opinion.

@JasmineDragon PS2 was purchased as a DVD player, making its sales skyrocket. It sold a lot of software with a really strong marketing campaign. PS3 old as a BD player and launched so bad they lost most of their PS2 war chest until they rebooted it and rebuilt from zero. Wii sold as a Netflix player....but that didn't make it's software fortunes very good for the second half of its life. WiiU had Youtube and Netflix and Amazon Video, and Google Maps, and a built-in TV remote control and made the GameCube look like a sales beacon. XBone launched as a multimedia command center that does everything, and it was pretty much ejected from its own stage before launch until they undid half of it and remains an also-ran in sales. Switch launches with nothing but games and they can't keep them in stock for 5 minutes.

Internet says: IT NEEDS NETFLIX AND YOUTUBE!!

I think if anything gaming history tells us the media functions are almost entirely irrelevant to the success of a console. Consoles with it have succeeded, consoles with it have bombed, consoles without it have succeeded, consoles without it have bombed.

For the OP, sell it or don't sell it. It's a hybrid console. It's the most sophisticated handheld ever made. It's the most powerful Nintendo home console ever made. It's both Nintendo's most powerful home console AND the most powerful handheld of all time all in a single unit, and plays the same games in both places. If that functionality isn't working for you, then by all means, sell it, you can find a buyer quite fast as these things are in extreme demand at present. You can use a lot of things for those other features, including WiiU while you wait for it on Switch. VC may be tied to the 2018 subscription. It may not be. The stick placement....can't argue with ergonomics, but consider the way you're holding it as well. I have wrist issues at times, so if it can work for me I'm sure it can work for almost anyone, but if it really doesn't, well that definitely hurts some appeal.

@Lethal PS4 also suffered supply constraints, and also featured elevated scalping prices. It took a little while for them to rectify inventories.

"And the Switch has sold 1.2 million units compared to 1.1 million Wii units after 2 months."
Are you talking worldwide or a specific territory? If worldwide, that number is incorrect. 2M was the available inventory just for launch, with an estimated 2.5M sold after the March resupply, for the global figure. that doesn't include the Mk8D bump. If you meant just in the US, I'm not sure what the monthly local figures were so to that might be correct.

@NEStalgia It's both Nintendo's most powerful home console AND the most powerful handheld of all time all in a single unit, Don't they call it spin when you conveniently and obviously leave out true information that doesn't help your case? You say: Most powerful handheld ever. Yes it is but it's not even close to the most powerful console ever so you say it's the most powerful Nintendo Console ever. Well all consoles are the most powerful from their respective company at the time of release. That's a meaningless statement and the more meaningful version of that statement is the one you avoided.

@Crono1973 not spin. The point is it isn't compromised to be a handheld and therefore not a console if it's the most powerful console the company has ever produced. even were it not portable at all it would still be Nintendo's most powerful console ever. Nobody is comparing it to an X1X. X1X can't leave it's 120/220v outlet.

@Crono1973
You have the incorrect definition of spin. Unless spin suddenly means facts.

He stated it is the most powerful handheld of all time. It is.
He stated it is Nintendo's most powerful home console ever. It is.

I don't understand what's being spun. I think you're just frustrated that he's stating the obvious, which is fine, but let's dial back our attempts at labeling rhetoric unless we know what we're talking about.

Not my intention at all, sorry if it sounded like that. There are great games on every console. I pick Nintendo because I like the company and I've never felt like I needed more than one console in a generation, not because MS and Sony don't know how to make fun games. I've always had a blast when I've played XBOX and PS exclusives on other people's machines.

@NEStalgia Saying the Switch is more powerful than all previous Nintendo consoles is a meaningless statement. Of course it is and that is how console generation have always worked for all companies, it's not like the PS2 was weaker than the PS1 or the SNES weaker than the NES or the Xbox 360 weaker than the original Xbox. That statement is so meaningless it need not even be said and shows your desperation to say 'something' where nothing would have been fine.

I was thinking about this the other day. Do Sony and Microsoft make "fun" games? I've played them my whole life. Older stuff like Crash and Spyro and Jack+Daxter: those games were FUN. But again, I like platformers. Halo, Gears: never really considered those "fun."

Then we get to modern stuff like Uncharted and Last Guardian and Last of Us (one of my favorite games ever). Fun? Eh... I don't think I would call them that. Immersive, yes. Cinematic, yes. Emotional, yes. But in terms of gameplay, I don't pick up the controller to play Last of Us and think to myself, "Man, I'm gonna just jam this for 15 minutes and have some FUN" like I do with Mario Kart or Zelda or Splatoon.

I think Sony and Microsoft have gotten a little bit away from fun in their most recent 1st and 2nd-party offerings, to be honest. Doesn't make them bad games at all. Just different in what you're gonna get.

@JasmineDragon I pick Nintendo because I like the company That's interesting because I like NIntendo's products far more than I like them as a company. They do their best to sell you the same things over and over again, they drag their feet getting up to modern consumer account standards and they try their best to never answer questions until they can no longer avoid it. They will drip feed the VC again and they will charge a fee to do it again and they don't want to tell you that until they absolutely have to. The way they treated third parties still haunts them to this day. As a company, I don't much like Nintendo. I don't love any corporation though and the poopy Microsoft tried to pull with the Xbox One was dirty and no doubt Sony has done some poopy I can't think of right now too.

_{...watch the profanity please..-Joey}

@rallydefault Well their consoles have fun games on them too, from third parties but fun is subjective. Do you like Bethesda's games? Square Enix's games? You are much more likely to find a fun one on a system with more third party support.

Couldn't agree more about the Wii U browser. It's fantastic and was a big improvement over the Wii's version, though that too at the time was alright.

@Crono1973 The initial discussion was in regard to switch not being a console and instead merely a powerful handheld. Thus it's relevant to point out that while also a handheld it's still Nintendo's most powerful console to date. Your highlighting of that being how console generations work for all companies merely reinforces that point. It is indeed their 9th generation console, and as you say, is more powerful than their 8th generation console, making it fit the standard mold of a console iteration. In addition to that, its also the most powerful handheld.....so much that its a handheld moore powerful than their last console.

Which comes back to being both their most powerful console and handheld simultaneously.

@blaisedinsd @SLIGEACH_EIRE easily agree on the browser, wiiu had a great one. The only one on a console i ever really used. It was great for walkthroughs!

@NEStalgia Yes, Nintendo's new console is more powerful than their old console and their new handheld is more powerful than their last handheld. That's normal. The only thing not normal is that the Switch is both a console and a handheld but as a console, it's not really impressive.

Let me state the obvious too, since it must be fun. Today is farther away from last week than yesterday was. Now if you are tempted to tell me that's normal, nothing special and doesn't need to be said, no need I already know.

It's handy if you get stuck while playing a game to press the HOME button, then maybe go to Miiverse, include a photo and ask a question. Or find a walkthrough, do a Google search, or go to Youtube and find a video of the solution. The Switch doesn't have this. Yes it COULD get a browser in future but it won't have Miiverse.

@Crono1973 only you seem to be arguing about that though. The statement you objected to was that its the most powerful handheld and Nintendo's most powerful console, yet you've agreed with those points, and confirmed the original context that its indeed a console. So were in agreement on most of this. Nobody has been arguing that its especially powerful compared to other consoles, the point was that it took a home console with a 2.5lb power brick, made it MORE powerful, and rolled it into a 1/2" slate running on a battery. A more powerful console stuffed into a handheld body is quite a machine. Less raw power than of the shelf pc components in other brands or not.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE yeah it really was! I still have an idea that the paid phone app will have a miiverse facsimile involved under a new name. Not quite the same but it would fill the void a bit.

@Lethal
The sales were global sales so most of what you say is wrong. And scalping of the Switch is very much a regional thing. Supply here for example is pretty solid to the point where stores regularly have a few in stock. Some stores are actually discounting the Switch here. Nintendo of Australia is still bragging about breaking sales records.

Note that I'm not saying its going to be the best selling console ever. Sales could in theory tank next year. But it is BS to argue that the Switch isn't selling well and all the "good sales" is just hype, low supply and scalpers.

@rallydefault
There are equally plenty of factors that go against it. Like the obvious two, supply issues and the time of year. Some of those other consoles had no such issues. There's also the scale of the gap. The Switch for example has sold about 2x as much as the XBone did in the same period. This isn't a case of little variables making any comparison invalid