Nintendo Switch Has Now Sold 41.67 Million Units Worldwide, First Switch Lite Totals Revealed

I predict it will be Nintendo's second best selling console. It will land between NES and Wii.

I reckon it'll finish in the high 80millions. Next year will be another strong year, but with the next generation coming out, and streaming platforms like Stadia and XCloud being a rival to the "Play Anywhere" market, I don't see the Switch reaching Wii numbers.

Interesting how GameCube sold barely over half as many hardware units but it's almost equal on software sales. Not many people may have bought it, but that says something about its appealing library.

I hope they'll release a Switch Pro (preferably before the nextgen consoles come out), which will be suitabe for those who are on the fence about nextgen vs Switch.

Switch is the ultimate console, it should be treated so in every possible way.

Wow awesome numbers now for the holidays !! Can switch hit 100 million lifetime?

@LinkSword Afaik digital sales are not included in these things, which means the software sales on Switch would be way higher.

@LinkSword I think underperforming consoles often have high attach rates because those who actually have the console buy everything that comes out lol. I was like that with the Wii U.

Wow... the software attachment rate of the Wii was 9 games average per console, while the Switch is 6.

The Wii was a monster and even though it was easy to pirate, it sold software at every corner.

@ImagineerNik Stadia and XCloud will never be a real worry or competition as long as the internet speed in other countries apart from US and Japan isnt good enough to handle that type of connection requirements.

They will never get off the ground and stay as third rate niche services

Switch will outsell SNES by the end of the year.

It'll outsell the NES before the PS5 and Xbox Scarlett launch.

With Luigi's Mansion 3 and Pokémon before and during the holidah period and Animal Crossing before the end of the financial year, the Switch can easily hit 50 million units over Christmas. That Sword and Shield Lite will boost numbers as well!

I can see the Switch surpassing the Wii's lifetime sales. Momentum for the console is still strong and it hasn't even had a price drop yet.
And then there is the Chinese market. If they can get the ball rolling in that market then that could really boost sales.

It'll probably beat SNES by the end of Q3 2019 (October - December) and NES in late 2020/early 2021 provided the Switch's successor doesn't release then. Whether it beats Wii will depend on how Nintendo reacts to PS5/Xbox Scarlett.

@fafonio
More importantly, people are buying the Switch to play its exclusives.

Mario Kart, Smash, Pokemon, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Mario Maker, Fire Emblem, Splatoon, etc aren't on Stadia/XCloud/PS5/Scarlett, and they never will be.

@Monkeido totally. We might have 8-10 physical titles, but I shudder to think how many digital titles I have. I bought another 5 yesterday ... 3 budget titles, manticore and Luigi's mansion. I would have at least 50 digital titles and maybe a lot more.

@fafonio yes but that attach rate is for 6 yrs(ish) of wii. certain games are always bought by when a new console is sold so things like kart and zelda everyone buys along with new releases, so attach rate should go up

Gamecube and N64 numbers make me sad because of how great those system were imo.

Wii U also had some great exclusive games (well some have been ported to the Switch) but they made a muck of everything else regarding the console starting from the name.

@fafonio I live in Hungary (not exactly the most advanced country in the world) and we have a minimum of 30mbps speed internet available in 80-90% of the country.
I think delay is the key word in making or breaking a cloud gaming service.

I actually can't wait for xCloud to come to Switch. We would finally have the sort of AAA games we'd never have a chance otherwise to come out on the Switch.

@m8e3point1415 Wow, that's good to know!
I'm not waiting for 4K games (that will probably be Switch 2), because even the PS4 Pro can't do that and it's not realistic to expect more than a 40-50% performance upgrade in a mid-generation machine (especially with Nintendo).

Stable 720p 60Hz in handheld and 1080p 60Hz in docked mode would be enough for me. (While hopefully maintaining the longer battery life of the V2 Switches.)

It sells pretty good, just not as explosive as Wii or PS2 (average year-by-year sales was far higher for Wii than PS4). I think Switch will land somewhere in between Wii and NES, somewhere around 80 million in around 5-6 years. Nintendo is doing good, just not as good as in the NDS/Wii-era, when they were printing money by selling cheaply produced systems with very high game sales ratio.

Nintendo now only got one system to stand on, so very logic they're trying to widen their market with toys and games for phones.

Well we all want something for on the go... on mobile you want to be available as long possible. With a hybrid like this no need to worry about that and you can enjoy Nintendo 1st party games. Glad they are doing fine. I hope their next hardware will push the graphics a bit more.. we've seen the cartoony mario/zelda in the past gens. Give us something new in the future for a change

With Sw/Sh coming out, that will boost sales obviously. If Nintendo has a couple big games (not including Animal Crossing, yes!) coming out in 2020, then I could see it passing NES in late 2020 and maybe even getting close to Wii sales in late 2021.

But I am just happy as a nintendo fan. What a great console!

I think the figures (while great and I'm very happy to see them) are slightly skewed because of the portable nature of the system.
While a household is likely to have only one PlayStation for example, we have two Switches and a lite in our house, and can of cause share (physical) copies of games.

@m8e3point1415 That's cool that the homebrew community experimented with that, but at what cost to battery life?

It would be really cool if the GPU runs at docked speeds when the system plugged in while undocked. I play in Tabletop Mode using a Hori Stand almost exclusively - so I can keep it plugged in while I play. If Nintendo is worried that would cause people discomfort from the extra heat, then make it an optional Handheld Boost Mode.

It's on pace with ps4 sales, so surpassing the Wii is a possibility
Also considering Nintendo owns the handheld market, and especially considering how legendary its exclusive library will be

It'll depend on what Nintendo can do to maintain momentum. It will need to keep a steady stream of content coming. It'll want to deliver some more ports to satisfy the gaps between the big releases.

I suspect we'll soon hear what the Mario Kart and Mario teams have been building over the last three years.

@ImagineerNik possibly but honestly considering the internet requirements (and the price of mobile data plans, especially in America where USA and Canada are both individually very pricey) i'm not sure mobile streaming platforms will be THAT successful compared to platforms like the Switch that can play handheld games without need of internet access let alone mobile data.

If Switch flag behind it will likely be because of how far behind it had to start in term of momentum because of Wii U.

And we still don't know how long of a lifetime it'll have. After all, even the PS4 has now entered it's 7th year which iirc is even more than the 6 years of the Wii's generation. The Switch has not even yet entered it's third year and thus might be there for a while longer.

This said 70-80mil consoles would be a much respectable number for it to hit. Even at 40 million in so little time it's performance has been very solid thus far.

I was very happy with the GameCube and n64 but I do remember how lean the gaming magazines were for those systems. No internet in those days to speak of. Now with Switch, I spend as much time enjoying reading and talking about games online as Ido actually playing the things

I can see switch hitting 100 million too. Better marketing, more people arriving into the middle class and a few more potential hits like the Ring will broaden the audience.

Good figures, but it would be more interesting to know the sales figures for those consoles and ps4 and xb1 at this stage in their lifetimes.

At the same 30 month stage PS4 had sold 40m and XB1 had sold around 23m, so Switch is keeping pace with PS4 sales and is well ahead of XB1. Nintendo just need to keep up the momentum, there appears to be a good slate of games coming in the next 12 months, it'll be interesting to see where we go after that, which should only be half way into the consoles lifecycle.

I'm curious how Nintendo will keep up momentum after the last of what we know right now comes out (botw 2, animal crossing, metroid prime). I think by the end of next year, they'll probably have a game out for all of their major IPs.

@Digitamamon64 We still have Pikmin, Donkey, F-Zero, Star Fox and so on still to go. But yeah they ain’t Mario games or Smash. Hopefully they continue producing big games in the big games series also. A new style Zelda is always welcome and a new concept Mario too. Mario Kart 9 would be the best way to give more momentum though.

@Ludovsky The PS4 is in it's 6th year. Well...come the 13th Nov it will be officially 6 years old. So technically it's a 5 year old console at the moment.

Anyway, the Switch is an anomaly. It has completely made folks forget about the blunder in sales that was the Wii U. I feel like the Switch is certainly going to climb in revenue. I'm excited to see the lifetimes of the Switch in a couple of years.

@Ladasta
True. There are plenty of midtier IPs I forgot about.

The total Wii and DS era hardware sales will never be matched, combined that’s over 200 million

For me personally, the switch is hands down the best console of all time as I spend a lot of time on public transport and I finally have a fighting chance to at least finish some bigger titles in between work, social life and sports.

So I reckon it will be a strong second place in terms of lifetime sales

@gamer89 ps4 came out in 2013, it's entering it's 7th year after november 15.

@LinkSword
I feel like the games where cheaper too, certainly in the UK. Or, maybe I just had more money.

@GamingFan4Lyf

Witch Switch V2:s battery life, I think Nintendo could introduce docked performance in handheld mode, running with battery life comparable to OG Switch. Should let the user switch between docked performance and old undocked performance mode in the system settings.

Funny how others try to downplay the numbers it took Switch only 3 years to reach those numbers along with the Lite and yet people still try to downplay it-that's the part most missed here. Does that tell something or did a pride get hurt. NES/Wii are history you can use to compare but numbers don't tell the who story here. With sales matching those year after years reaching 200mil won't be a problem now that this is the sole platform for Nintendo unless a Pro is down the line later and that would increase sales.

@m8e3point1415 Naw, Switch Lite isn't selling that well because it's an inferior and cheaper version of something already on the market that's missing major features. Lots of people online were saying "we don't care about TV mode" and yet, the numbers show, most people very much do like the fact that the Switch can Switch.

Pokemon and Animal Crossing will drive more Switch sales than Switch Lite.

@fafonio
Is this like that "oh yeah yeah" cult on you-tube but everyone has pikachu masks?

The chart Should have included handheld consoles too. The switch competes directly with them too.

@gamer89 by third year I mean three year total of age. The Switch is still only about roughly 2 years and 7 months old. My apologies if I wasn't clear by what I meant.

But thing is that's still pretty damn young compared to the other consoles out there who are 6+ years old and only finally about to be replaced by a new generation.

Which in a way highlights how weird the Switch had made the current gen be by being a "new" generation console that fully replaced the WiiU yet the WiiU's contemporary have last so long in the end that the Switch literally could be argued to have released in the middle if the current gen rather than the start or end of it.

Which is kinda weird but now make me wonder if that's when we should expect the Switch's own successor to release(I.e. basically when the PS5 will itself have reached the middle of it's lifespan).

What was probably previously just the rush to have something replace the WiiU ASAP(and thus resulted in the Switch being released in what can now be seen as the middle of what proved to be a very long generation for other consoles) might not be a bad thing to follow through with for Nintendo since if they could have their own generational cycle be offset from other console makers they wouldn't have to be as much in a competition with them(and not only that but with the time that would have passed since the other consoles' release, players of other consoles themselves might end up with enough saved to easily afford the new nintendo console ontop if the Sony/Microsoft console they would already have gotten years before... and ditto nintendo players once Sony/Microsoft's next console releases years after the Switch or it's successor).

Definitely say it has a good opportunity to sell between NES and Wii, that is unless they do a Pro and count that in with normal switch sales like the PS4 Pro and Xbox one X, if it's a big enough jump to stay somewhat competitve then I think it could surpass the Wii numbers since it would extend the lifecycle.

Funny that Switch is a "home console" Been playing only in handheld mode

"Do you think Switch will go on to be Nintendo's best-selling home console?"

Thing is it isn't a home console.

Once the lite is $100 I can safely bet it'll sell better than the 3ds.

@Heavyarms55 sincerely, a lot of what you said.

Though I'd say that the Switch Lite can indeed fit a niche and it's addition to cater to that niche will indeed be welcomed. It's just that a lot of fans/etc over estimated how large the niche is.

Honestly pokemon and such will indeed drive up Switch sales more than the Lite on it's own. I'd even add that if the Lite sells it'll be more - because- of exclusively-pokemon fans who play nothing else but are fine with handheld- only as a result but that'll be because of the app rather than the console in itself.

The surprise might end up how many people might end up enjoying "pokemon, on TV and from the comfort of a couch after returning from school/work" and that's the aspect that need to not be underestimated with the Switch even with folks who "technically" spend more time in handheld than docked.

@Heavyarms55,

I think the Switch will outsell the Wii, but only time will tell.

@gamer89 ahh, I didn't realize I made that mistake(re: PS4). Though I hope you understand that at 11months and thus only about 1 month before it hit that sixth year it wasn't that hard a mistake to make(i'm also on phone data for internet right now and I'm trying to limit how much browsing I do to not blow it too fast so I couldn't check immediately right away when the PS4 initially released, sorry).

But yeah about very close to 6 year with the PS5 not out yet, the fact remains that the PS4 did have quite a lifespan under it's belt once the PS5 will release.

If anything once could say that it's only for the WiiU(released in 2012 iirc?) that the traditional 4 years cycle ended up applying to in this gen which is the thing because it sounds like that even that traditional cycle might become even less so with the next gen being forecast to have a longer one as well.

@ImagineerNik nah, the Switch will still play games better than those services, and it still offers something the others will do

@yuwarite,

It will make little difference as Nintendo are not going after the core market, people will continue to buy the Switch as it's a cool little console, the masses don't give two hoots for power.

@LinkSword the Gamecube has great games, from first party to third party software. What a great console!

At this point, the specific numbers no longer matter.

Its done well enough to establish a thriving ecosystem for software to sell, which will attract support. That's what matters.

Anything beyond that is just ego based on the commercial performance of a product you happened to purchase (a silly thing to pride one's self on).

It will be interesting though, from a curiosity standpoint, to observe how high it ends up going.

@construx I believe they should wait. See what the new consoles are capable and release it with something similar. It doesn't have to be with the same power as the new consoles but close to it, so it can run the games that will come out of them

@yuwarite I think they might instead have the Switch act to other console the way the DS/3DS and other handheld lines were handled vis a vis Nintendo's home consoles.

That is(or at least it felt like), not by releasing their next console at the same time than the next PS5/Microsoft but instead in the middle(or at least a few years into) the upcoming PS5/etc next gen as the Switch(consciously or unwittingly) did by releasing during what will now have proved the very middle of PS4/XboxOne's cycle.

That way they could ensure that people might not have to choose between the "Switch 2" or PS5/Xbox"2" because "Switch 2" might very well release only years after these other two and (with the bonus of likely retaining a dedicated handheld mode) thus even people who bought a Sony/Microsoft console may have had enough time to recover from their console purchase to decide to get as well whatever the successor of the Switch will be.

Honestly I kind of wishes that would be the way they go. After all as an handheld the Switch remains very powerful and only pale to other dedicated consoles when we compare performances on TV. And with the exclusive nintendo IPs it still remain attractive to many of they don't have to choose between "Switch 2 or PS5?" but can instead go "now a PS5 and then Switch 2 when it releases 2-3 years later with plenty enough money saved for it".

@ImagineerNik

Stadia is going to be irrelevant from the word go.

Its Wii U levels of poorly marketed and “Who asked for this?” But without strong exclusive IPs to prop it up.

@electrolite77 honestly that's how i'm starting to feel myself. The focus on how stuff "should" break records is kind of... unhealthy?

I mean just in term of development practice practice this pressure might lead to... do we need - every- consoles to sell more units in their lifetime than the entire population of Germany/etc?

As it is, there's already more Switches out there than the entire population of Canada if you think about it. (In fact you could say there's probably about roughly 1.25-1.5 Canadas worth of Switch consoles out there XD ).

I'd love for the Switch to become the best selling Nintendo home console.

And oddly enough, my personal ranking for Nintendo consoles is almost perfectly the reverse of the units sales.

What did PS4 sell in same time period?

As to whether the Switch overtakes the Wii...to me it depends on how the Switch pro or Switch 2 is handled. I do see the potential to overtake as a family of systems if current owners upgrade.

@LinkSword The GameCube had 3rd party support which people bought.

@Rafie same. I for one hope they don't rush a Switch 2 out there directly after the PS5 because one of the thing that likely helped the Switch's release success was that it released enough time after the PS4/etc but so much time before ...the PS5 that it ultimately didn't even have to compete with anybody.

Which is to say... not a ton if leike had to choose between buying a Switch or a PS4(many already had a PS4 and their purchase was far enough back by then they could afford a new console) in the same ways that when the PS5 is out we'll likely see a decent amount of people who won't have to choose between buying a PS5 and a Switch when the PS5 release because they might already own a Switch at the end of the day.

By being offsetting similarly future console release, nintendo could find success in being the company with a product that could become Sony/Microsoft player's second console and still allow primary Nintendo players to have enough time to save up for the next Sony/Microsoft unit as a secondary console of their own... in which case even Sony/Microsoft might benefit from avoiding too direct a competition with Nintendo.

Nice but if the upcoming rumor Switch Pro is going to be more expensive and will be a dock only system, it'll probably not help improve the Switch sales figure. Some gamer will probably keep their old Switch instead. Hopefully Nintendo made the right decision and not limit their market by making too many non-Switch systems.

@Shiro28 The nextgen will be a native 4K console generation.
There is no way even a revised Switch could run AA ports from those.

The Switch 2 will probably be able to do that - many years from now.

@gamer89 Wanna cast that lure out to sea to catch some Cheep Cheeps mate?

@LinkSword I was looking at that too. Almost a 10 to 1 attach rate. I bought the gamecube later in its life cycle. Whenever they did the special edition Metroid one. I still bought a lot of games for it. Almost every game purchased for that system was amazing. Viewtiful Joe, PIkmin, RE 4, and most importantly, Eternal Darkness (my all time favorite game). They should have re-released Eternal Darkenss for Halloween this year. Even if that game was full price again without any graphical upgrades, I would day 1 purchase it.

This is actually not that successful for Nintendo. They sold 250 million Wii and DS, you have to look at the total business. They are missing the home console market right now, better to have two complementary products than one, and have double the sales. The Switch and the Home Console are not competitors, but complementary. For Nintendo's sake and the fans, I hope they release a GTX 1650 Super based home console soon. Would be the perfect $199 home console like the Wii was. The difference between high end hardware and low end hardware is small compared to 10 years ago.

Could use the $150 RX 5500 which is equal in power to the Xbox One X also. Would make a great Wii type device, but be even cheaper to make than the Wii (no optical drive, just use the cartridges from the Switch). The main problem with the Xbox and PS4 is their hard drives and weak CPUs, and the CPU issue for a Nintendo home console would be solved by any modern ARM core. They are tiny and cheap, would add less than 10 percent to the cost of manufacturing. 4 x Cortex A76 cores (basically HALF of a Snapdragon 855 in a modern phone), there you go, faster than Xbox One X's CPU and costs nothing to add to the RX 5500 or GTX 1650 Super.

The Wii was also manufactured by NEC in Japan, which cost a lot more than using TSMC in Taiwan, and would also bring large cost savings, riding on the work that mobile makers have done.

@retro_player_22

You're not limiting the market by making a non Switch system. Just ensure the same games are for both systems. One portable, one at 4k 60fps etc.

@Richnj Notice how people are cheating and including the Switch Lite in sales of the Switch, then saying it is overtaking the SNES in home console sales? The Switch Lite isn't a home console. We should be comparing vs the DS but that would look bad in comparison, and what is really bad is Nintendo's total platform sales, Wii and DS vs. Switch. The thing Nintendo fans (and investors) actually care about. They replaced two profitable businesses with one that is smaller, that isn't a great long term strategy. I love the Switch, but I'd like to see Nintendo expand. Where's the home console?

@MarsOne
PSP+PS3 sold over 160 million.
PS4+PSV (that Sony dropped any promotion for early on) 117 million.
Go to Pushsquare and start asking for a new PlayStation branded handheld whenever new financial data is released for the PS4.

Outstanding result! Congrats Nintendo.

@MarsOne I'd prefer they didn't. Like I said, I just so happen to enjoy the consoles with poor uniit sales. I don't care if the Switch has taken over the Wii or the Wii U. It's a profitable console, and I'm happy with that.

Adding in a dedicated home console does not make sense. Not only do the ps and xbox have the high end cornered with their Pro editions, they also have base versions that can be bought cheap enough. The benefit of buying a £200 xbox/ps over a £280 Switch (or £300 Nintendo home console) is it also gives you access to the large library of games on those consoles.

The Switch hits on to something by being different. It offers full game experiences for mobile players and that ends up being value for the console. But it still allows me to buy a Nintendo console and play it as a home console the way I want to.

As much as I loved my GC, N64, and Wii U, there's just no reason to have them outside of exclusive games. Having another one, especially with the new gen incoming would be a hard sell for me. It would need to be BC with every Nintendo home console and that just isn't happening any time soon.

A Switch Pro, or Switch Home, that allows cross play, cross buy, and access to the growing switch library would be the most I'd advocate for a new Nintendo home console.

@Big-Pepsi hahaha well... in the Pikachu mask article a few guys used the mask as an avatar .... seemed like it would start like a Nintendolife cult ..... but it didn't took off.....

So... I'm stuck with this avatar until I have the energy to change it.

@Richnj Having a home console doesn't mean you can't buy a Switch. The Switch has inherent worth, but doesn't need to replace a proper home console. Why are Switch owners always attacking all the Nintendo fans out there? You can play all the same games on both consoles.

@Toy_Link You are quite right, Sony is not doing well. It does matter that they lost the mobile market. Sony is not making much money off the PS4 compared to the PS3 and PSP.

@Richnj Also don't forget that a "Switch Home" would be cheaper than the Switch. It would only cost $199 to $250 to make a lower powered Wii type console (like a GTX 1650), and you'd get a good controller in the box, instead of no standard controller.

Not without a refresh of improved graphical grunt, the platform is already stagnating and ps5 will hit it harder.

@electrolite77 Again though you misunderstand what I want, NOBODY is asking Nintendo to split them, but to serve both consumer demands and the market at the same time. They can easily release a home console that plays only the exact same games you can play on the Switch, but with a normal controller included, a much lower price, and higher resolutions and frame rates.

This is not an either / or situation, but a "both" situation. The Switch isn't successful because of a lack of a home console or the Wii U's failure, but due to its own merits. And the games are the same, because the Switch is so powerful for a mobile system, not because a home console doesn't exist.

@MarsOne I'm not attacking you. I'm merely disagreeing with you.

The Switch, aside from its lack of a full online service, ticks all the right boxes. It's a quiet, low power, full HD console. The Pro pad is great (apart from lacking a headphone port), and it all functions great as a home console.

But so did the Wii, Wii U, GC and N64. But only one of those is considered a success. And the reason for that was that the Wii offered something that the 360 and PS3 didn't. This is where I stand with the Switch. The mobile aspect places the Switch on a different level to the xbone and Ps4.

I do believe that a Switch Home would lose a lot of value because it would be directly competing with the PS5 and Scarlet now, but without the same level of online features. A brand new Nintendo home console would fare even worse as it wouldn't have the Switch library to support it.

That is my stance. It's not an attack on you, it's just my assessment of the console market.

@Ludovsky Absolutely. One thing I've noticed about Nintendo over the years is that no matter when they launch a console, it's never in direct competition with the other 2. I'm not saying this as a negative. I'm saying that Switch, PS, and Xbox don't eat into each other's sales. Well at least the Switch and a secondary console and vice versa. PS and Xbox are definitely in direct competition with one another. Nintendo has a great thing going with the Switch. They really don't need to bother with a new generation console to "keep up". For me personally, Nintendo was always a secondary console for me until the Switch dropped. Now I play both PS and Switch equally...easily. I do show my Xbox love, but not as much as Switch and PS.

All Nintendo has to do at this point is keep launching compelling titles. That's why Nintendo is unique in this scenario with their hardware. Going hybrid was genius.

@Rafie honestly I've wanted something like the Switch ever since the DS/3DS days. Like I recall playing Drago Quest remakes on these and enjoying trees the convenience of being able to play them during my commute (making me realize just how well suited to portable play time-consuming jRPGs were and eventually why Pokemon was exclusively handheld for so long) but also frequently thinking about how I wish the DS and later 3DS had a TV connector cable accessory or something of the like when I returned home so I could kick back on my couch when I was back home from school, or later, or work.

And I think this will be the genius of the Switch in the long run. Much has been said during release day about the ability to bring "Skyrim on the go" or other TV/ computer experience in portable play... but as the year go on(and ...the likes of the PS5 gets more established) I think we'll hear more about "Pokemon from you couch after your commute from school or work" and showcasing more similar once handheld-exclusive experiences being shown in both portable and couch play.

And ultimately for the best because the more something like the PS5 will become established, the more Switch will benefit from catering to the type of handheld(perhaps even jRPG/etc) gamers of the DS/3DS era. The kind of leike for whom convenience and specific types of gameplay was more important than powerful graphic engines.

So the more the Switch will win from advertising itself then as "an handheld you can plug into your TV after returning from work".

@electrolite77 Fair enough, launching a home console the same year they launch a Switch revision would make sense, get the CPUs in sync etc., even if the GPU power would be miles different. Though it's not about what I want, as regarding financials. I was trying to point out that Sony's financials have been declining since the PS2/PSP era, and Nintendo and Microsoft have been declining since the Xbox 360 and Wii/DS era.

There were a lot of articles like this one buying Sony's and Nintendo's PR this week. I just wanted to point out also that actually the desiribility of consoles has decreased a lot. They are just selling to more and more countries that are wealthier now. Look at NA alone:

PS2: 53 million, Wii + DS: 45 + 57 = 102 million, Xbox 360: 49 million, all vastly outsold the Switch and PS4 (just 34 million in NA). Nintendo might hit 100 million combined in NA with a Switch, Switch Lite, Switch Pro, and home console however. Who knows.

@MarsOne The Wii and DS are two of Nintendo's most successful consoles. You're arguing that Nintendo needs to perform as good as their very best or they haven't done well enough. You might not intentionally be arguing that, but that is what you've argued.

And let's look at the Wii and DS. Neither of those are "pro" consoles. It's an underpowered unique console and a handheld. Currently, Nintendo have a unique console and a handheld on the market.

Now, just so we're clear. I'd like a Switch Pro, but I still don't see evidence one is needed for the Switch to succeed.

@construx nintendo likes making money BUT NOWHERE do they want to be #1 GET OUT OF HERE with your 4K crap they dont care about microsoft and sony....

guys they just launched the lite why are you idiots talking about a pro? maybe 2 years down the line but no where is a switch pro coming.... leave....

@Richnj we literally just got a lite and the switch 2 years ago and here you are clamourning for ANOTHER SYSTEM JUST be quiet and let nintendo do their thing

@GAMER1984dude I've literally been arguing against Nintendo needing another console.

You clearly didn't read or understand my posts if you think I'm "clamouring" for a new console. I personally don't even want the new xbox and PlayStation yet.

@bolt05
"the platform is already stagnating"

Yep, totally. Decade high levels of revenue + profits and better-than-expected YoY sales growth is clearly indicative of a "stagnating" platform. /s

Please don't run a business.