Sony's Share Value Takes A Hit Following Fortnite Account Woes On Nintendo Switch

Do anybody else really feel that this is what effected there share price?

Makes me glad I never bought a PS4.

So Nintendo's share price dropped due to the lack of games for Christmas, whereas Sony's dropped because of their Fortnite policy?

Because Sony have about the same exclusives as Nintendo.

but it plays like trash on the switch

This is now on the front page of BBC News. The pressure's definitely on for Sony.

@vitalemrecords How can it play like trash on the Switch while it has over 1 million downloads at the Switch eShop? You don't even own a system! BLOCKED!

@vitalemrecords Nope. It literally plays the exact same as the PS4 version and looks almost as good.

Serves them right

If that's the only reason why shares dropped, it's a stupid reason, Sony.

LOL, I can see it now -

"Sony is blocking cross-platform play in Fortnite"
"Quick! Sony is doomed! SELL SELL SELL! Phew, that was a close one. So... what's 'cross-platform play' again?"

Bah, so much controversy for a very mediocre game. I don't get why this game is so hyped ... join queue, Load, kill 2, Die, unload, join queue, load, kill 2, die, unload, join queue, load again ...

@NinjaWaddleDee
Stop lying. It's 30 fps on switch & 60 fps on PS4. Not unplayable, but a noticable difference

@dew12333 considering I keep saying all over the net how crap Sony’s E3 was, thinking the lack of any major surprises and very by the numbers footage of stuff we’ve known about for years has more to do with it, lol

Kind of weird if their stock price dropped b/c of a free to play game. Though if it's more about the pattern than this one game - Rocket League and Minecraft were first - I can see it becoming an issue, not b/c of Fort nite, but b/c of Sonys "for the players" hypocrisy. This Gen is nearing it's end, stock people are probably already looking forward to next Gen and if this stance could hurt PS5 sales. Nobody will care about Fortnite then but cross platform could replace backwards compatibility as a big rallying cry.

But the real question is, why is NL covering Sonys share price? 😉

Remember people, Nintendos share price is all about gaming, Sony is a media and electronics company, for all we know Comcast out bidding Disney for Fox could have affected the price. Or Trump calling off war games with South Korea. Sony has its toes in a lot of ponds. Or something.

Maybe it's b/c they only showed 4 games at E3 and only 1 has a date? 😛

Edit: When you start writing your post you're 1st and you finish your 16th. Wah?!?!

@URAmk2 Played on PS4 since day 1 and 30fps wasn’t unplayable but it sucked hard, the day the 60fps patch went in there was much rejoicing all around, plays so much better at 60.

Games like this deserve to be fast and fluid.

Good, Sony deserves the drop. Hopefully people keep up the backlash until Sony changes their policy on this and crossplay in general.

@HappyRusevDay
I agree 60 FPS is much better. I don't mind games at 30 FPS, but im not going to pretend like 30 FPS & 60 FPS are exactly the same as @NinjaWaddleDee said.

The lack of cross-platform play is a small nuisance but it's not the main grievance people have with it. It's that people who played on the PS4 couldn't log into their Fortnite account on the Switch because it’s associated with their PS4. Forcing them to make a brand new account instead.
Had they just allowed people to log in from any platform, but keep cross-platform play unavailable, then all of this would be almost a non-issue.

@rjejr Agreed. There's far more variables when it comes to Sony. There could even been as something as mundane as local tax district discussions that holders got wind of. If Nintendo still had hotels and other things, then it may be even ground.

When you address the competition his way, it comes off as very defensive. Sony are clearly aware that Switch is only becoming more and more popular, and they don’t want to lose users.

2% drop? It's not that significant a movement

Just look at how it's jumped around over the past few months. There's probably been 2% movements more days than not. https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/stock/stockprice.html

@Smigit It's Nintendolife, they are the master clickbaiters.

This clearly has nothing to do with Sonys Fortnite policy, and trying to claim it is, is pretty much a clear statement that whoever came up with idea knows absolutely nothing about stocks.

@ThainEshKelch
Yep. This is a crap article.

@Arehexes
You hit the nail on the head

Share prices goes up and down everyday. If it rains tomorrow, will you blamed it on Sony or Nintendo?

Is Sony doomed.

Sony has a lot to lose. They want to keep their dominant position, if cross-play becomes the norm, one major differentiator between consoles disappears.

Having said that, Switch isn't a direct competitor, really, so they could/should have allowed it. They are complementing systems, and indeed many gamers have and enjoy both systems for different reasons, I am one of them. Xbox is a more direct competitor obviously, but they are drawing the hard line and include Switch outside of it, which I actually believe is a mistake. The Fortnite battle is probably lost (no pun intended), but it's a clear signal to Sony that they need to start being careful in their decision-making in the future as it may come biting back and we all know how that can end if the past taught us anything.

I'm sure with 80 million consoles sold and a killer exclusive line-up in the pipe, they're quaking in their boots over their decision to not share their player base

@Arehexes says the guy replying to articles on their site? What are you doing here if you're seemingly above NL's so called clickbaiting practices?

Sony’s statement is complete bullcrap. It’s basically ”Nah, we already have so much money, so we don’t give a flying ファック , LOL” in a polite manner. I hope all of this will have bad consequences for them.

@vitalemrecords

Stahp. Just stahp. We get it, you're a Sony troll.

The game runs fine in handheld mode. Adaptive resolution really helps. Haven't heard the fan go mental like others have said. Nor have I felt my switch get that hot - not as hot as a PSPoor. And the battery lasted me 2 hours, just. But I expected that.

The game is actually a little more fun on the switch. And this is from someone at Epic Game Centre in Staffs UK.

But all it shows is that Sony fangirls are so desperate and whingey. It runs well, and is actually more fun on the switch. I guess it is because more adults use Switch than use PS4 so it just feels less idiotic.

And no. I don't work on Fortnite. Different area of Epic Games.

@finalstan

Also that is dumb. Years ago MS got fined and nearly destroyed for forcing IE on Windows users. This is almost the same. And it will actually work against them in the future. MS and Nintendo will be able to say their consoles offer cross platform, and in MS's case a far superior and secure network. Sony has very weak security so it's no surprise they are being pathetic.

PlayStation's were amazing. But alas, they are made by Sony. Such a terrible company.

The article leaves something to desire. Why is it that the share drop not quantified? Glaring miss IMHO.
It forced me to pay a visit to cnbc.com to know that we're dealing with a huge drop of 2%...

@Jawessome You are right let me just blindly suck off the writer instead of be critical of their bad habits. Save some of that NintendoLife suck up for me

For the payers

@tangram The second paragraph contains the phrase "with shares falling 2 percent."

@Arehexes
I think it's Dom's fault. It started when he got here!

Oh, brother...
Let's we discuss with cool head.

@finalstan “Switch isn't a direct competitor”

If you’re a household that can only afford one system then they are competitors, even if they have different features. Also we don’t know if Sony will gamble on a third PSP which no doubt would target the Switch. I’m not sure that’s hugely likely, but PSPs do seem to find a crowd, especially in Asian regions.

@Arehexes The point he was trying to make is that by posting angry replies below their articles you're doing exactly what the clickbaiters want you to do. Because that's what 'clickbaiting' means: baiting someone into clicking on their articles and forums - even if it is merely to discharge venomous comments.

@EasyDaRon @URAmk2 @ThainEshKelch @HobbitGamer @dew12333 I dunno why you guys just flat out state the drop wasn’t due to Fortnite when other news sites are covering the story the same way this site did.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/14/fortnite-playstation-4-gamers-outraged-over-switch-cross-play-issue.html

A whopping 2 percent! Doomed

@rjejr I don't even understand why cross-platform is suddenly a big thing. When Sony offered it, and Microsoft refused last gen, no one batted an eye. Now it's the ''future of gaming'' lol. Playing against randoms on Xbox or PC. Who cares? You wouldn't even know the difference if they didn't tell you (apart from the fact that the PC gamers have vastly superior controls ).

@PuppyToucher Right, it's being reported by places as A + B = Possibly D(?). The article you linked laid out the message, copied exactly below. Of note, Microsoft shares are down 0.49%. And there's not an issue with Fortnite. Some of us were just pointing out that Sony has many other divisions as well.

"-Players have expressed anger over a so-called cross-play issue with "Fortnite" which doesn't allow them to use an account associated with a Sony PlayStation 4 to play the game on the Nintendo Switch.
-This means progress and in-game purchases on "Fortnite" on the PS4 can't be carried over to the Switch.
-Sony shares fell 2 percent."

@URAmk2 The frame rate is the only difference, and 30 frames is fine, so yeah, he's right

@Octane Because....internet opinions, I guess. I mean, no one clamored when the Dreamcast (barely) had it. Starlancer, I think.

@Octane It's so big because it let's you play with friends that don't have the same device as you, for example, right now, my brother is playing fortnite on our Xbox while his friend that just came over is playing it on his switch (though we have one too so that's not exactly my point but I think u get what I mean)

Yeah, the lack of cross play is really hurting Sony's marketshare for sure.

If this isn't the purest definition of a nothingburger I don't know what is.

I really doubt that this news had anything to do with Sony's drop in share price.

I don't think their shares have dropped explicitely because of that sole game issue, but maybe this made a lot of people notice their backwards policy regarding cross-platform play. What investors could see, is that all other platforms are doing what people are wanting, and Sony isn't.

So, probably not because of that single game. But the fact that this only moved the spotlight over Sony not wanting to do what everyone else are doing (because that's what people want).

But in all honesty, Sony is doing this because their market position allows them to do this. They lead the console market by a pretty large margin, so "playing nice" isn't going to bring them more people, or make a significant number of people leave PSN. They're already on top, they have not a lot to gain, and not a lot to lose.

I'm pretty sure if Microsoft was in the same situation as Sony right now, they'd be the ones doing this. In fact, not so long ago, during the previous generation, I think I remember Microsoft being the ones against cross-platform play, and Sony being all for it.

@Octane It's a thing. Everything is a thing these days.

I'm actually happy it's a thing, gamers on different consoles wanting to play together, peace not war. And it does reflect on Sony's hypocrisy of "for the gamer". Did you read the first sentence in their statement?

"We’re always open to hearing what the PlayStation community is interested in to enhance their gaming experience."

We'll they are hearing it now.

It doens't affect me, I dont play online. And I don't play BR games. Or DOTA or MOBA or WOW. But, you knew that but was coming, I have 2 teenage sons w/ friends who own other consoles. Would be nice if each teen kid could get the console of their choice from their parents and play with their friends on other consoles.

And based on how lame this E3 was, the future of console gaming is free to play BR games and other mobile ports, and Minecraft won't die, so this issue is only going to get bigger, it isn't going away. Next gen consoles may only have free to play mobile ports, nobody besides EA can afford to develop 4k games. And all of their games are online loot box lotteries so cross play works for them.

I think Sony buckles under on PS5. Not before. But no Xbox accounts on Sony consoles. Epic et al will have to pick up the slack on that.

I still think Rocket League should have been first. That game is huge, but nobody was buying a PS4 to play it w/ their friends, so it wouldn't cost Sony anything. I don't really know much about Psyonix but it seemed like they were capable of pulling it off without help from Sony, just needed an ok.

@HappyRusevDay So it started as a 30FPS game as well on the PS4?

I wouldn't be surprised if it gets an update later on for this since we've already seen some games get performance improvements in later patches (like Rocket League).

Love how corporate apologists are all like "but 80 million consoles sold" "killer exclusive lineup" blah blah blah as if they will see any of that money or gain anything by defending Sony. Every era has its useful idiots. This is one where they don't even get paid for it

"As Reggie himself puts it, cross-platform play is "fan-forward"."

And this is why Reggie is so infuriating. He's like a marketing textbook with a mouth. It's not "a great feature" or "for the fans" or even "offering great value to players"....nono, it's "fan-forward". @ThanoxRexxx Are you CERTAIN he's not actually as bad as Andy Wilson?

Sony would have had a leg to stand on if they just didn't open the platform. PS4 is for PS4 and that's that. The fact that they cross play with PC and mobile, but not their console competitors shatters the illusion: It's an inside baseball platform defense and nothing more. Valid, but it's biting them a little.

@rjejr "free to play BR games and other mobile ports, " Oh but none of the free games are free games. Fortnite is free, but the other mode not coming to switch is a pay-only game. So it's half free, the other half of the game is commercial, and then there's the cosmetics store. I still wonder if Fortnite is merely a tool to promote UE4 dominance. It's working, even Nintendo's a UE4 shop now!

@NEStalgia UE4

We were discussing UE4 at dinner last night. My kids told me SSBU is built on it, they saw it on one of the trailers. I refuse to believe it, but I'm also sick of hearing about UE4 in general so...

@Banemus That observation is reductive to the point of no utility. Almost every online game could be described that way and ignores the features that make it popular. Easier just to say, "I don't try to understand."

@Octane I guess a lot of players got burned by playing online games that didn't have enough players, as their popularity grew in general, maybe? Then servers get switched off, but if you get a multi-platform release with cross-play, it immediately gives more mileage.

If other platforms are the concern, why is it that the only network outage that comes to my mind was precisely from Sony PSN back in 2011?

@rjejr I thought that Smash was on Unreal Engine, too, for a moment, when I didn't realize the whole Nintendo Direct was over. But that was shown at the end of the whole Nintendo Direct and was probably legally required because other videos had shown the logo.

@dew12333 In this case it might well be. Because Fortnite is at least visible enough of a thing for investors to "panic" about.

"What do you mean your console's version of [insert X super popular free-to-play microtransaction game even investors would hear about now that it's on smartphones] can't connect with the other versions? WHAT MADNESS IS THIS, DO YOU HATE MONEY???"

And so on. Comparable to why the Nintendo Online Services announcement saw Nintendo's own shares drop most likely because they didn't charge "enough" compared to the competition who charge double to triple the price("But they charge X amount, how do you think you can compare with their infrastructure if you only charge only such puny amounts?").

80 million active PSN users. I note, they didn't specify if they were all in Fortnite. Either way didn't Switch snap up a quarter of that (just for Fortnite) in two days?

@R4z0rGr1nd3r @gortsi And a thing is... even if the Xbox falters, Microsoft can simply relocate a lot of their development assets exclusively to PC, and refocus their efforts there... and still benefit from those crossplatforms deal with Nintendo.

After all, they saw from their purchase of Minecraft just how lucrative making something multiplatform with crossplatform multiplayer can be. Microsoft may well decide the future for them is to simply drop the idea of an "exclusive" console in the first place and cut the losses this philosophy can lead to when PC/Xbox/PC are increasingly interchangeable.

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the future of the Xbox is not an Xbox but rather the "dedicated PC gaming box" that Steam had tried to push already with their Steambox concept.

Just, you know, with the backing of Microsoft to officialised the deal into a centralized and well-marketed thing instead of the everything goes approach of Steam that more or less borderline failed except for their Steam Links.

In a way, it's Nintendo's philosophy of "don't try to be a copy cat of hardcore gaming PC" philosophy of simply making the Switch an handheld console with TV support from day one that may prove itself a winner in the long run.... and considering the console is produced and sell at a profit ever since Day One, it may well be a huge win for them even if they -don't- overtake the PS4 just because every consoles... at a profit since Day One. Which wasn't the case of the PS4 or any of the "hardcore consoles" of the last two generations(Xbox306/One and PS3/PS4 all initially sold at a loss due to manufacturing costs and the hardware inside, iirc, which they had to catch back with copies of games sold).

@Yamyum The cross play / log in issue seems to have been confused which is a shame. The log in lock is a serious consumer issue that needs to be addressed. Players should have been warned when linking their accounts that they may be stopped from using that account with other third partys.

@Ludovsky great input, thanks. I do believe that Microsoft will try one more time since Phil said that the next Xbox is already in development but yeah they might ditch the concept sometime in the future. What corporate apologists don't understand is that openness across platforms is the future. There was a time when Ms office wasn't available for Macs, just to use one example. Now it's available on everything, Windows, Mac, Android, you name it. Exclusives will always have a place for sure, as the case of Netflix Vs Amazon shows, but there's not a single reason something like FIFA (or Fortnite or Minecraft and so on) is not available for everyone to cross-play if they so wish. Closed platforms are a thing of the past, and Sony better get on with the times

@MasterJay
A 30 fps game doesn't play exactly like the same game @ 60 FPS. Look at the original Uncharted Trilogy next to The PS4 remasters. The shooting & aiming much better at 60 FPS. So he's still wrong & so are you. Also I already said 30 FPS is just fine, 60 FPS is just way better though especially for shooting games.

@PuppyToucher
You should read your article again bud. Nothing but an assumption.

@URAmk2 This difference is hardly noticeable, sure it isn't as smooth, but I can't even tell that much, you're acting like it's a big downgrade from other versions because of this one small change

@gortsi Basically. Xbox had a strong lead in the 360 generation, but the Xbox One makes me think Microsoft finally realized the trap of exclusivity: it only matters if you're the one winning, and the momentum can be hard to reverse if you're not.

Seeing as Microsoft still has strong ties to the sleeping giant in the room, PC gaming, and that even Japanese developers are increasingly seeing the potential of the PC platform.... Microsoft may well decide to refocus their efforts toward the one platform that was once exclusively associated with them and Windows and ditch the idea of the Xbox beyond just being another platform to chuck games at.

I wouldn't even be surprised if, for their next console, they would even implement a system of crossplatform purchases and support: buy the game on either platform, get to play it on both basically. This would turn a Xbox successor into the literal "Steambox" Valve themselves were never able to turn into the kind of success they wanted... and basically may well end up giving PC gaming it's place back in retail stores again because future-Xbox games would literally be becoming PC games overnight, perhaps even with appropriate cloud support etc.

A move like that, especially with dedicated crossplatform/multiplatform multiplayer support, may well isolate not just Sony but perhaps even put a dent in Steam themselves finally. "Why both with the mess that is the Steam store if your local retail store provides you with a much better curated list of games to play... that are just as compatible on PC"?

We'll only see what actually happen and how it'll turn out, but it may well make the next gen(or the following one) -very- interesting if it happens. People would find themselves buying consoles on their merit alone and not just on exclusivity... meanwhile it'd be the console trying to remain isolated from all others that may well be hurt.

"What does it matter if this has stronger hardware when I can't even play with my friends who can play together despite all owning different consoles?"

@MasterJay
Where did I ever say it was a big downgrade on switch. I clearly said 30 FPS is fine twice. Just because you can't tell the difference between 30 FPS & 60 FPS is your fault . The fact of the matter is they are not the same. 60 FPS vs 30 FPS in a shooter is an advantage.

@aaronsullivan "I thought that Smash was on Unreal Engine"

Thanks. I can live with that. Passing that info onto my kids now. Who replied "Yeah that's possible."

@rjejr It seems likely Smash is UE4. Nintendo's used UE4 for other games....I can't remember which ones but I remember being stunned to see the logo in the end credits more than once (Odyssey maybe?)

It makes sense, it's one of the top shelf engines, works wonderfully on Switch, and helps Nintendo's Slowpoke infliction with getting a million engines running on their hardware. I wouldn't, however be surprise if it was reciprocal: I.E. if Epic and Nintendo were really co-developing UE4 for Switch, so the reason it works so well on Switch is if Nintendo's helping author the Switch parts of UE4's output.

@HobbitGamer @URAmk2 I think it’s pretty safe to say Fortnite is the main cause when you have this many sites reporting on it and it just happened... what else has happened that could have caused this and provide facts and not just your speculation. I already linked an article. Here is another saying it’s due to Fortnite

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vg247.com/2018/06/14/673998/amp/

And here is one saying they could face global backlash

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44477524

@NewAdvent just wanted to comment and say I love the oxymorons in your comment. 'Aggressive in how they are tiptoeing' and 'eventually it never happened', brightened up my afternoon

@PuppyToucher
And yet you post another article that goes like this: @HobbitGamer pegged you right.
-People complain about no Fontnite cross play between Switch & PS4 on social media.
-Sony's stock dropped 2%
-They have to be connected.
-Sony is Dooooomed
I can play that too:
-The sky is blue
-Nintendo's stock dropped 7%
-They have to be connected. Doooomed

Minecraft had the same issue. How much did that hurt sony? So let me know when you get some proof & not speculation bud.

Good, Sony needs to get with the times, that decision was a spit in the face of all PS4 owners.

I didn't think I'd see all this crossplay hullabaloo on the front pages of the BBC.

I guess that's what happens when you mess around with the biggest game on the planet.

@URAmk2 I was just saying with the original comment that the difference isn't big, and that ninjawaddledee wasn't "lying," he said they looked the exact same (which the graphics do) but that switch runs a little slower (30 frames), so he was right, thats all

@URAmk2 dude in my second post comment number 80 I posted two articles: the first explicitly stated Sony shares dropped due to Fortnite backlash and the second said they could face global backlash. I get no one likes to be wrong but you are refuting my news sources with your own speculation without providing anything to support it.

I am not the one who claimed Sony shares dropped. I am telling you reporters, lots of them, are stating they dropped and it is due to Fortnite. If you disagree with those reporters then provide support for your position. Link a current article that directly refutes what they reporters are claiming the reason to be. Can reporters be wrong, sure they can because they are human, but when you have this many reporters stating this is a big issue and it caused share prices to drop then that is likely the cause since it is their job to report on this news with accuracy. If you disagree with their stance then Provide facts to disprove it. Link an article that shows these reporters have a history of getting their facts wrong or link something that directly states Sony shares dropped because of “X” and not because of Fortnite.

And no one thinks Sony is doomed. They are currently the front runner in the video game console market and no one is seriously denying that. No need to speak in hyperbole. If you have facts present them. If not then admit it. I enjoy a good debate but we need to keep our positions grounded and baseless speculation that no other news source is supporting followed up by exaggerations is not a strong or persuasive position.

@MasterJay
So you read his post wrong. He said it plays exactly the same as the PS4 version. 30 FPS vs 60 FPS. He's wrong. It's cool people make mistakes.

@PuppyToucher It very well could be inept investors dumping stock because they saw gamers get made about something on a Sony product, fearing decreased brand engagement. Interestingly, the share value drop doesn't even wipe out the 20-day gain, nor the YoY. Their fiscal report is slated for Aug-1.

https://mtlnewsjournal.com/keltner-channels-update-on-these-shares-sony-corporation-nysesne-20-day-upper-keltner-level-at-49-76981/35872/

https://www.bitcoinpriceupdate.review/2018/06/14/sony-corporation-sne-is-this-stock-safe-to-play-in/

https://www.stocknewscaller.com/news/historical-price-watch-for-sony-corporation-nysesne-three-month-high-noted-at-51-589/6045/

https://kgazette.com/as-sony-sne-stock-price-declined-holder-minneapolis-portfolio-management-group-has-cut-its-stake-home-depot-hd-holder-cape-cod-five-cents-savings-bank-trimmed-its-holding-by-686012/

@URAmk2 Oh yeah, your right. Thought he said looks same, says different. Sorry

@PuppyToucher
@HobbitGamer already pointed out how ignorant the reports are in post 51. You just refuse to see it. Assumptions don't equal facts. That's what you need to realize.

@chardir To be honest, it could show why Microsoft's move to collaborate increasingly with Nintendo on crossplatform support might be something that could pay off in the longterm.
Hardcore fans will hardcore fans... but the mainstream increasingly going "What do you mean this console cannot play with other consoles? Why are they so stupid and mean!" could hurt Sony in the long run.

It's a long game to play so to speak, but it might well pay off. Heck, we could even see a situation where the Switch literally become Microsoft's unofficial handheld console and whatever console Microsoft develop next could become Nintendo's unofficial "dedicated" home console.

Think about it. In the DS era Microsoft themselves published some games on the DS. Picture a Microsoft of this era and the next who go all out with publishing games of their own on the Switch... and even end up opening the gates for Nintendo to publish -their- games on whatever might succeed the Xbox. While keeping the two crosscompatible… and making both compatible with PC gamers' multiplayers titles(and a nasty trick Microsoft could do to -Steam- of all people would be making retail of their next console's games -also- being compatible with PC platforms, literally unifying PC and Console gamings in way Steam could never do even with it's own Steam box. Suddenly PC gaming would be back to the physical retail arena because all your nuXbox games would now -also- b a PC game which could be a very big jab both Microsoft and physical retails could be sending Steam's way).

This could play out well after all. Unlike Sony+Xbox, such a collaboration would be a win-win. Microsoft doesn't make handheld devices thus Nintendo could continue to dominate that market.... and Nintendo doesn't make dedicated home consoles thus leaving that market to Microsoft... and making one increasingly bolstered by multiplayer compatibility with PC and Switch game while leaving Sony increasingly isolated.

Short term it won't matter because Sony still has 80+ millions console sold. But long term? It may well matter every time a title of Fortnite's popularity and the reaction become, again, "Sorry, Sony players... you can't play with your friends because Sony decided you shouldn't except with a few token PC games".

As long as third parties kept kissing Sony's behind, Sony won't go anywhere. They got money to get first dips on exclusivity and they double deal on lots of IPs for their platform first before everyone else. The only way Sony would fall from this is if they made a major mistake so bad they can't come full circle on but they are playing it safe now.

@HobbitGamer I agree, those who dumped the stock over this issue are probably just doing a knee jerk reaction to bad press. This issue while annoying isn’t going to stop people from buying PlayStation games, products or services this gen. I think once the games, mainly the TLOU part 2, drop the stock will skyrocket.

@URAmk2 I am not assuming anything and @HobbitGamer has not pointed out how ignorant the reports are, in fact he even stated that it very well could be inept investors dumping stock. While the reporters who are saying it is due to Fortnite are possibly making assumptions, they are drawing logical conclusions based on facts, interviews and recent events. I ask once again, what are you basing your arguments on other than just not wanting to accept what everyone is reporting?

@PuppyToucher
You've finally admitted that the reporters are making assumptions that the 2% drop is due to Fortnite. That's all I wanted you to realize. Assumptions aren't facts that all I was saying. You were trying to pass those links as facts in your earlier posts. You backtracking now after saying "it's safe to say Fortnite is the main cause of the drop" is funny. Your argument was based of reports you openly admit are assumptions. Nice

@URAmk2 ok if we want to be real stock jumps and stock falls are always based on assumptions and market perception. I am not back tracking at all. I just live in reality and am able to know that the stock in a company is a representation of how valuable people perceive it to be. Idk if you live in the USA or not but the dollar also has no intrinsic value and it is only worth something because people believe it is.

@MasterJay
It's all good dude. The game is still good & is off to a great start on switch. It'll have a solid fanbase. Who knows it could possibly be patched to hit 60 eventually. Maybe add motion controls too. It'll only get better.

@Yamyum

Yep or even if I could just disconnect my Sony account and add my Nintendo account. I play pc mainly anyway I just wanna be able to play it in bed on my switch lol.

As I said on the other article, it might cost them the first place position in console sales if they decide not to do crossplay multiplayer with the PS5, especially if more companies decide to go ahead with this. Could you imagine if EA announced that FIFA would support crossplay multiplayer over all consoles and Sony were the only ones that said no? That would murder Playstation sales.

Clickbait at its finest

@R4z0rGr1nd3r Funny, I've also been accused of being a Nintendo Fanboy.
So whatever.
I play Fortnite on a PS4 Pro - the Switch version is virtually unplayable.
You don't have to agree.
You just can't tell the difference I guess.

@NinjaWaddleDee no it doesn't.
Sorry - I can say from experience. Plays way better on the ps4 pro.

This is a lot of CUPCAKES from Sony.

Making it available as Cross-Play on non console ecosystems, like iOS and Android, and then not allow it for Switch or Xbox, has nothing to do with security. It's a pure business decision!

And what they are doing, can't be legal in EU either. It probably wouldn't hold up in court.

As market leading game console manufacturer in the EU, Sony actually have some legal responsibilities here. They just can't offer cross-play for some companies and ecosystems, and then block it for others who they see as bigger competitors. This is against EU law if you are so dominant in the market as Sony currently is in Europe.

EU doesn't really like anti consumer practices like this from market leading companies. Just ask Apple, Google and MS.

If Sony didn't offer cross-play at all on other platforms, then this wouldn't have been such a big issue. But they can't blacklist some companies for no good reason!

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So basically Sony's response says, "Even if you have a PS4, your complaints about Switch aren't voices of the 'PlayStation Community' and the PlayStation community has no problems playing together. If you don't have a PS4 then get one so you can play with your PS4 friends because they can't play with you on switch, they are a part of the PlayStation Community."

@Arehexes its a website. You’re speaking like you’re on the board of directors and NL arent performing for you monetarily.

If things are so unbearably terrible for you when it comes to the articles here, find another website to frequent, start your own or become a writer for NL and do better.

No one’s holding a gun to your head to read things here.

I somehow doubt the Fortnite issue (while totally absurd) is the sole, or even the primary reason for the shares drop.

@PuppyToucher The link you refer to, is the exact article that NintendoLifes own article is based on. So I am interested in hearing what "other news sites are covering the story the same way this site did" you refer to? And that article itself only mentions it but doesn't give any proof of it at all. Causation is not correlation.

Now what is likely to be a correlation, is that shares have risen nicely up to E3, which is quite normal, and investors now take their gain out, by selling stocks after Sony has announced whatever they had in store. If you look at Sonys stock for the last 10 days, it has been in a decline since the 6th, and have been falling since then. So unless you believe that investors have time machines, and that Fortnite is actually more than the dent in Sonys revenue stream which it is, and a single drop out of all the other ones are somehow significant, then that drop has nothing to do with Fortnite.

@ThainEshKelch I posted 3 links. One in comment 48 which I believe is the one you are referring to and two more in comment 80. Please refer to those.

@vitalemrecords what!? I've put in like 10 hours so far and am quite happy with how it plays

Good. This may seem like a small issue but it's really just an example of Sony's unwillingness to support cross-play and allow their customers to branch out to different games on different consoles. I've had a Nintendo and a Sony console on my TV every generation since I had my first paper route, and I've never felt like one system somehow made the other redundant. Never bothered with Xbox but with all this talk about the next gen coming I'm thinking of switching over. Fact is that the Xbox is playing ball and the Playstation cripples its own multiplayer by restricting you to the Sony kiddie pool.

I've been pretty unimpressed with the company's behavior this past generation and if they aren't supporting backwards compatibility now either, I see no reason to go with a PS5 over an XB2. Not like the exclusives have really blown me away anyways, outside of maybe Horizon.

@Grant007 I'm sorry - what you typed makes no sense.

@vitalemrecords makes perfect sense if you change one letter typo.

@Grant007 ok
so let me know - which letter was incorrect?
Cuz I can't figure it out.

@vitalemrecords I've put in.....

ok cool - thanks for that.
so you don't mind the severe frame drops that happen whenever there is a shootout?
I personally can't stand it.

@vitalemrecords I haven't really experienced frame drops all that much. Only when there is a huge shootout with many people. I'm very happy with the game. Have probably 30 hours in at this point. Been playing constant!

it tends to happen when there are a couple of people within earshot
and they could be doing anything - opening doors - whacking trees - causes big dips in frames - when there is a lot of action - frames dip down to 20.
Just Bad.
But if you can't notice, all the power to you!