UK Schools Want To Bring The Cardboard Creativity Of Nintendo Labo Into The Classroom

Sounds like an interesting way to promote Nintendo!

I wish I'd learned coding principles in school. The nearest we had was a room a like robot that you put movement commands into

This is what its destined for people.

Looks at cost ... "nevermind"

Gamesbiz article was a god read, and what I've been saying all along. Labo has great potential for kids in schools, libraries and summer camps, but $300 for the Switch is probably a non-starter for a lot of them. Yes, schools are spending $250 per kid on Chromebooks or $500 on iPads depending on the school, but the Switch is still a toy first, it really has no educational value whatsoever beyond Labo. There's no justification for that cost only for Labo when there are so many other STEM kits out there at cheaper costs.

Nintendo bundled the Switch for the home consumer market, schools buying 20 Switch don't need 20 Docks, Grips, and HDMI cables. Those 3 items aren't even used w/ the Variety kit at all. And those 3 items are about $100 of the cost of what's in the box. Nintneod needs a "Switch: Labo Edition" for education which doesn't have the dock, Grip and cable, and sell them bulk to schools and camps, maybe 20 at a time, at a discount.

Of course right now Ntinedo can barely make enough Switch to keep up with demand, so sending a bunch at a discount to educators may not be their top priority, but if they want Labo to become something big, that's probably what they'll have to do down the road. It's what Apple does with iPads and Google/Alphabet with Chromebooks, education and/or bulk discounts.

I don't see Labo really taking off until then. It will sell, but not conquer education.

As a teacher myself, I can say this is a TERRIBLE idea.

1. you'd need custom Nintendo Switch units that are loaded only with the educational software you want to use - or kids would just play whatever games they wanted on them.

2. You'd need enough units for at least a single full size class, that is at least 35 units. Plus all the Labo kits. Even assuming Nintendo cuts a deal for all this equipment and materials, we're still talking a LOT of money on something with a very limited practical/school relevant - application.

3. It's cardboard, and these are kids. It will be destroyed quickly. And what isn't destroyed will be covered in penis drawings and profanity. Even among high school students only the most disciplined classes will see the majority of the materials not destroyed.

4. The joy-cons and even the Switches themselves are small, valuable items. They will be stolen. My coworkers and I have a rule - don't distribute any materials that you absolutely need to get back. Some will be lost, destroyed, or stolen. No question. You will not get all your materials back. At least most of the time(there is always the lucky days with uncommonly well behaved classes but don't bet on it)

Don't misunderstand. I am not trying to imply that all children are demons in disguise just waiting for the opportunity to unleash mayhem and havoc on the world... They are just kids. These things happen when you put a bunch of them in one room together.

Yeah, this won't even make it to a pilot program.

Put it in schools!... Rip away sport funding and get kids doing this!

I only have one week left at school so I'm not bothered

But with that said most UK schools can't afford the basics sometimes so a Switch seems unlikely...

That is a great idea but i think schools around the world.

Will never happen, the switch would "go missing" after the first day

@Heavyarms55 Well that was a depressing read. Are you teaching in inner city slum schools? I grew up in Queens, NY, I remember those days. But I'm in a working class neighborhood now and I'm pretty sure our middle school kids would return the Joycon and not draw penises all over the cardboard. Ok yeah, maybe the penisis, that's a given, but they'd return the Joycon.

And this would probably work best at the middle school level, too advanced for elementary, too simplistic for high school.

And the schools wouldn't need 35 per class, well at least not our schools, 22-25 kids per class. I'd say groups of 4-5 for the Toy-con Garage coding projects, so you'd only need 6-8 per class. And 1 teacher would teach several sections, so your talking 8 Switch for maybe 100 kids. That's not a huge $ investment for coding. And I'm really not the least bit worried about the Joycon being returned.

There are thousands of schools all over the country with FIRST Lego teams. 30,000 schools all over the world. Each team using at least one $350 Lego Mindstorm kit. If you are worried about a few kids stealing some Lego pieces or building penises out of Lego none of this could happen. It's a global phenomena that costs money for toys - Lego - and takes place in elementary and middle schools.

I don't think Labo can ever compete with Lego, but FIRST started a new section called TECH Challenge awhile back, perhaps Labo can get its' own section within FIRST alongside Lego, Tech and Robotics.

But it's never going to happen if teachers are worried about theft and graffiti from a few bad kids.

https://www.firstinspires.org/robotics/fll

Full disclosure - I am not a teacher nor do I work for Lego or FIRST. I'm a homemaker, I don't work for anybody but my wife. But your post was so depressing I just had to reply.

Google's AI kits are more 'school-oriented' to me. LABO requires Switch, it cost a lot of money. Who's going to sponsor video game consoles for schools?

If there's one thing kids find really cool, it's school!

"Nintendo Switch. It's the console your teachers like!"

@BensonUii "Nintendo School Pack"

Isn't that what I said?

Unless you are taking about the Switch bundle as it now stands only at a lower price, then yeah, that's different. I still dont' think schools need that many Docks and Grips though. They really don't need any Grips, at all, for Labo. Maybe 2 docks for monitors per school.

@QwertyQwerty What can kids learn? Watch this:

@rjejr I do teach at schools with students from many lower income families, no doubt. But honestly what I see my students doing is not significantly worse than I remember seeing other students doing when I was a kid myself. If you'll excuse the ego I didn't do it myself because of strict parents but that's a side issue.

Anyway, wow, 22-25 students classes as the norm? Sounds like the absolute height of luxury to me! Out of 10 different classes I teach regularly across 3 schools, only 2 classes are less than 30 students. Not counting the 11th class that is a group of 3 special ED students.

@BensonUii I mean, there are certainly precautions that could be taken. But nothing is full proof. Trust me. And schools have very limited funds to work with. Something like this would be VERY low down on the priority chain in any of the schools I teach at. Perhaps at wealthy private schools it would be more feasible.

Not 100% related, but Nintendo Labo Variety Kit is Amazon's "Treasure Truck" item of the day. I say "item' instead of deal b/c it's still $69.99. But probably millions of people - 100million Prime members - all over the US just got a pop-up notification telling them what Labo is. Even if not a lot of people buy it that's still marketing. I've actually been meaning to turn those Treasure Truck notifications off but keep forgetting, so I know probably a lot of people are getting them if I still am.

https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=15020057011

And it's 10:30AM and half the locations in my area - NYC - are already sold out, so somebody is buying them. Probably eBay scalpers, who knows.

Only for the rich private achools.
But what are they learning. To follow instructions maybe

Can’t see this happening in the uk under the current climate. Budget cuts and austerity have hit schools hard so the last thing they could afford is switch units and expensive cardboard. Would only work if Nintendo themselves went into schools free of charge and did workshops as a self promotion

This sounds like an absolutely brilliant idea. I have no doubt that schoolkids and kids in community clubs and stuff would absolutely love Labo. Don't know how practical is it to actually do in the grand scheme of things--but I'm not concerning myself with that aspect of it.

@Heavyarms55 "22-25 students classes as the norm"

Yeah, that's why my real estate taxes are $9,000 per year. Great for the kids, killer for the adults paying for it. Even worse for the elderly paying for it who's kids are long gone and moved away to someplace livable. I'm looking forward to my kids moving away so I can follow them out of here.

But since I'm here paying all of this money, kids should learn and have some fun, as long as Nintendo is willing to cut them a very good deal. Like get a free Switch w/ every 20 Labo kits. Not that exactly, but something significant if they want to compete with Ego, Apple, and Google. Which we don't even know if they do.

Our 2,000 strong middle school gave Chromebooks to ALL incoming 6th graders this year. ALL of them. I'm a little tiffed b/c it was supposed to happen last year when my kid entered 6th grade. So yeah, we're not inner city. Though we are public, I moved here for the public schools, would never send my kid to private, I'm anti-elitist.

And really, Labo at schools, in my mind, would't be in a class per say, kids need their 9 classes to study for Common Core exams, but as after school activities alongside Lego, chess, computer and the like. But Nintendo has to want to do it, nobody is buying this stuff retail.

Good luck.

@BensonUii No prob.

Part of the reason I enjoy building LEGO is how relaxing and satisfying I find it. I'm interested in getting the Robot Kit for this reason. It seems like an incredibly substantial build.

Meanwhile, in American schools, teachers have to buy their own pencils and paper if they want to use them in their classrooms.

Nintendo even got the Clown Scientist Bill Nye to advertise LABO. Look's like LABO is endorsed by the U.S. Department of Education.

@Heavyarms55 I have to disagree with some of this, I appreciate you're a teacher and your opinion is worth a lot more than mine but still:

1." you'd need custom Nintendo Switch units that are loaded only with the educational software you want to use - or kids would just play whatever games they wanted on them."

This is not really an issue - Nintendo have been creating custom N64s, Gamecubes and Wiis for children's hospitals since forever. If they are serious about getting Labo into schools then an educational version of the Switch is a given.

"2. You'd need enough units for at least a single full size class, that is at least 35 units. Plus all the Labo kits. Even assuming Nintendo cuts a deal for all this equipment and materials, we're still talking a LOT of money on something with a very limited practical/school relevant - application."

Absolutely no reason they would need one switch or one kit each. Building and playing together is one of the main aims of this. One per table or group would more than cover it. I'm thinking like 4 to 8 per class. Hell we never had one each of ANYTHING for my entire school life, so I doubt any of the students would expect it either.

"3. It's cardboard, and these are kids. It will be destroyed quickly. And what isn't destroyed will be covered in penis drawings and profanity. Even among high school students only the most disciplined classes will see the majority of the materials not destroyed."

The other thing about cardboard is that it can be fixed for nothing in 2 seconds with a piece of tape. And I assume if Nintendo were doing school specific packages they would offer a lot more spare parts than the regular store-bought SKU. Of course this depends on Nintendo doing a school aimed package but like I said in point 1, that wouldn't be anything new.

"4. The joy-cons and even the Switches themselves are small, valuable items. They will be stolen. My coworkers and I have a rule - don't distribute any materials that you absolutely need to get back. Some will be lost, destroyed, or stolen. No question. You will not get all your materials back. At least most of the time(there is always the lucky days with uncommonly well behaved classes but don't bet on it)"

I do agree with this lol completely but it's not enough reason to not do it.

Buying game consoles for all kids in class? Horrible idea.

Of anything, get them Google AI kits, Arduino kits, etc. Something actually meant to teach them. The switch is more expensive and it'll be used for games.

Cya
Raziel-chan

Wow, sounds rough out there for some people. Granted, I'm spending 45% of my paycheck on rent to live in a good school district, but class sizes for both my kids are 15-18 per class, and they have 3 charging carts of 20-30 ipads that move them class to class. Based the the electronics budget I know they have buying 5-10 switches that could move from class to class would be nothing. (And i'm talking public school).

I hope schools find a way of using this type of stuff (i don't even care if it is Nintendo, Google or Lego). I find that logic and programming feel neglected in favor of other topic, at least around here.

My kids are 9 and 8 and they do things like this in school already, especially my oldest. Coding, simple robotics, STEM stuff etc. So it really does tie into schools but the cost is something that I think would be very very prohibitive for most school systems.

It really is disappointing to see so many people being so dismissive and negative about Labo in general. Just because nintendo made something that you aren't in the target market for just isn't that big of a deal imo. I'm excited for it and can't wait to pick up my boys today so we can go to Gamestop and get our kits.

UK schools of the 80s had BBC Micros and LOGO turtle robots. This is really similar and cool.
Sad that the idea of a Switch in school is seen as shocking, rather than armed guards and guns.

@PorllM you just saved me a lot of time, I’m a teacher in the UK and I agree with a lot of what you said. Primary Schools in the past have invested in Lego Mindstorms to teach robotics or programming using Logo Roamer robots. Nintendo Labo seems like a good option versatile, creative and educational.

If Switch is going to grow, this is how it starts.

Reminds me of Wii Fit being widely adopted at hospitals, gyms, and health facilities back during the Wii's heyday.

@Heavyarms55 Yeap. I can see maybe small private schools where there is more than one teacher per classroom, but the regular public schools? hahaha Or even maybe after school clubs where you know those kids WANT to be there.

My wife teaches first grade. Her kids can't even handle a book without ripping the pages out. And with public schools there isn't much time to stray from curriculum to incorporate a video game system and Labo kits.

Shame the school systems all you want for not having diversified STEM programs, but those misty eyed Nintendo fans hoping this thing will be found in classrooms around country are just delusional.

@Nincompoop Bill Nye is a crock. Nintendo hired him.

@redd214 seeing people come out with rubbish like "nintendo labo is stopping Nintendo develop real games" makes me laugh.

Cant believe we still see such silly comments

Lol thats nice, free advertisement for Nintendo in the classrooms.

@kobashi100 Laughs because it's true?

Money comes from one place, dude. Gotta rob from Peter to pay Paul.

A lot of us were hoping Nintendo would increase their first party output. And this year has been really light on new releases.

@LUIGITORNADO laughs because it's ridiculous and of course not true.

How can something made by the 1-2 switch team stop Nintendo developing games. The resource diverted to labo is tiny.

@Heavyarms55 those are some very pessimistic lines of thought. A few things to consider though:

1- management in all organisations always tells the staff (& most other stakeholders) that budgets are incredibly tight. For obvious reasons. If your budgets aren’t tight you have to pay salary increases or accept cuts.

Of course some are incredibly hard up but not every school is and many do have a little room for manoeuvre (even if they’d never admit it - even to their staff).

2- the act of setting a budget usually means you end up ‘siloing’. So a school might not have the budget to pay you a penny more or even buy enough writing books but still have loads left in the budget for IT equipment.

3- relative to other areas of expense in a school buying a dozen Switches is really nothing. What £6000? Far less than the cost of a low level TA for a term.

4- giving kids a piece of equipment that they can instantly identify as being expensive and desirable has a big upside. It makes them feel valued and trusted. Whilst they’ll still break or steal things its not necessarily as bad as you’re imagining.

I still think Nintendo has to want to do it. They’d probably have to come up with something bespoke but it’s not a fundamentally bad idea to position Labo as a teaching learning tool.

@Heavyarms55
I feel like there are simple solutions to many of the problems you named. At my elementary school, class sizes averaged around 20 students each. I believe there are 5 types of Labo in the Variety Kit, which would only necessitate the need for five Nintendo Switch units. Students could get together in groups of four (or seven, if your class sizes reach 35), and work on their respective Toycon they chose to build.

Each group would have its own desk, with students gathered around a propped-up Switch at the desk that displays the instructions for assembling the Toycon they chose. One completed, students would get to take turns trying out their Toycon in-game. Maybe after a designated amount of time, they could even rotate stations and try others' Toycon creations. (Unless the student is worried their creation will get broken if they share, but then maybe there could also be pre-assembled Toycon.)

This would be done only in the classroom, so I doubt students would be able to start playing Mario Kart without a teacher easily knowing. Stealing or vandalizing may still be a problem, but that's just a risk that can't be avoided. Calculators can be quite expensive, yet they aren't kept out of the classroom. At the very least, the Labo project should be finished with maybe 10 minutes or so of class remaining, giving the teacher enough time to make sure every Switch system is present and accounted for before dismissal.

And a student could just as easily draw a vulgar image on any surface, like a chair, which happened once before at my elementary school. I don't think that's a justifiable reason to keep chairs out of schools, though. But again, a teacher will be watching the kids every step of the way, so I don't think they could get by with too much. I understand classes can get unruly even with supervision, but we don't stifle the art program because a kid might get away with drawing something dirty.

The cardboard itself may get expensive, admittedly, but not every classroom would need Labo kits; it would only be in relevant science classes for a certain age group--say, grades 4-6. I'm obviously not in your position as a teacher, so maybe my opinion isn't valid, but I really think Labo could be pulled off in a classroom setting.

Edit: Looks like @rjejr and others have already addressed a lot of the questions you raised quite well. I've gotta start reading all the dang comments.

U.K. Schools are seeing impending funding cuts from local authorities due to government cutbacks. Other than the odd pilot scheme or self funded projects by highly motivated engaged educators. I do not see this having any impact beyond specific classrooms as teachers have more pressing matters to worry about

Schools wouldn't need permission from Nintendo to showcase Labo to their students, unless they're asking Nintendo to send them free Switches and Labo sets.

Anyway, how old exactly are these kids we're talking about? Labo constructions are still made of cardboard, hardly something durable enough to be passed around a classroom of kids without being broken.

And it's not like Nintendo invented paper craft, the main difference with Labo is it can incorporate motion controls with the Switch.

Given the budgetary constraints facing many British schools, perhaps the money could be put to better use?

School would totally rock with Labo IMO

Soon, Nintendo LABO will be included in Curriculum.

Probably only in private schools that can afford it.

But hey, I think it's a great idea. Kids are creative and they should be allowed to have a little fun and experiment. Just seeing how these contraptions work gets your brain churning. It really is a brilliant design- whoever came up with this is a smart dude

Mother 3 turns 12 today...

Nintendo in school? Where was this all my life bahahah 😂

The teachers who go outta their way to make learning fun are some of the best kinds.

You'd have to be blind not to see that Nintendo is clearly cashing in on STEM with LABO. They are most definitely hoping this will be used somehow by educational groups, even if it doesn't hit mainstream schools.

But as others mentioned, the cost is high. Public schools won't pay for a bunch of Switch units, and knowing private high schools, they will probably make the parents pay for a Switch if the kid needs it for that class (in additional to making them pay for an iPad as well, of course).

@rjejr I am going to spare you my going into a long essay this topic. But suffice to say that tax dollars being spent on education even if you yourself have no children is one of the top 3 uses of tax dollars. The others being national DEFENSE and healthcare. Though I would argue more of the funding should come from taxing corporations than regular people.

It is a gimmick, a trend or something new for a while. It will reach a peak and them it will fade away.
Much the same as Pokemon Go, the balance board, lego dimensions or the fidget spinner.

But this is an expensive trend for what it is. I think once a parent has bought one for the child, that's it... Been there, done it, bought the tea shirt.

I guess maybe I live in a different world than others. Even if the Switch were free I see the cost of the packs/cardboard being cost prohibitive. Schools have better tools for teaching coding. And I wouldn't really be thrilled paying extra for a group project at school when I could pay that and have that experience at my home with my kid and work with my kids to keep it in good shape.

Just my $.02, but I think asking parents to pay even a $10-$15 activity fee will lead to a parent revolt. It's amazing how mad people can get even when you ask them to pay a little for a unique experience.

I already implemented Labo into my 6th-8th grade STEM classes yesterday in the US. My kids will be learning to remake the same designs with sturdier materials, 3D printing parts, and trying to come up with their own designs. I have never seen them more excited for ANYTHING in the classroom!

This story reminds me of the kinds of stories that would come out in the press at the height of the Wii era.

@Heavyarms55 - As one who works in marketing and multiple retail companies. Many have "live demo" in it's now on display that function as sole purpose to express the actions that can be done. It wouldn't genuinely be out of the realm of possibility for a company to make the educational frequency different to that of the basic Switch.

But you are right, it would be stolen regardless, simply cause kids enjoy keeping a thing they think brings them happiness. Not many are developed to determine right and wrong on their own at young ages. I see kids attempt to steal fake plastic food displays at furniture stores before, and I would wager it is simply cause they think in would be fun to use at home as a toy.

The notion that Labo becomes a compulsory part of the curriculum and every child receives their own Switch is obviously fantastical, but that doesn't mean there isn't a place for it in schools.

I remember our school had a very simply programmable robot, and students would map out instructions for it to follow. There was definitely an issue of distribution - it was one little robot between thirty kids - but it was still an interesting experience seeing your basic programming come to life in the real world.

Labo offers a huge amount more scope than our little robot did, which ultimately did just moved about the floor. Thinking back, the functionality probably wasn't a whole lot more sophisticated than the $3 scuttlebugs that come with Labo.

The fact that Labo is made from such a cheap material obviously makes it a lot more accessible; kids could still be working on building things even when they weren't directly programming. And not just official Labo kits either - the Garage feature means you can turn just about anything into something. In fact, having groups of five or so where programming and constructing roles were distributed could be a great team activity.

It might just be limited to use in after school tech clubs (depending on budget), as the kit might be too pricey to risk throwing at all the kids every lesson, but it would still be a great educational tool for a school to have in its arsenal.

@Hordak And so it begins.

@Heavyarms55 This is all sorts of wrong.

1- You don't need "custom" Nintendo Switch units, just turn off the WIFI and dont bring any other games apart from LABO, also have you heard of parental controls and passwords? Just use that, and the kids can't access stuff like the E-Shop if it needs an internet connection and password, LABO doesnt require any of them.

2- For one class you dont need 30 of them, you would only need 4 or 5, LABO is meant to be something that is a group project, not indivuals, how will this work you ask? Well in my secondary school we have had Rasberry PI machines, Drones ect. and they are all shared around, and everyone gets a chance.

3- What school do you teach in? Some low end school in a ghetto district? Even then, 99% of kids would see this as a privellage to work with sometihng like this, and not ruin it, like what i said about my school bringing in drones, nobody ruined it, we had fun and coded stuff with it.

4- Again going back to my example, we had drones, Raspberry PI machines, heck even a tiny BB8 remote control robot, 2 of those examples are tiny and could have easily been stolen, but they weren't', because nobody would do such a thing. And in the event that they do, it is easy, nobody leaves the classroom until it is returned. And you could easily look at security cameras or have a bag/coat/pockets search.

Also why do you refer to the idea that only young kids aged 10 and below would use this? Something like this could be used with kids/teens of all ages, even in college/6th form. You seem like the type of teacher that is boring and is all about books and textbooks and reading and listeing and work work work, which is crap since kids dont learn that way, so lighten up a bit and teach your kids fun, new things.

@cleveland124 £350 for a Switch and a LABO kit is nothing to a school, if it is like my secondary school, the IT department has a budget every month that they are allowed to spend of anything tech related that is relevant to what is being taught. 3 or 4 units for a classroom is nothing.

@rjejr
Preach it.

Still, I'm sympathetic to teachers who feel beaten down, rather than supported and encouraged, by their administrators and community. It sucks, and I've seen and experienced the kind of thing that makes teachers like @Heavyarms55 feel like there is no possible alternative to what's right in front of them.

Cynical as @Heavyarms55 sounds, they would likely thrive, and try all sorts of exciting, sometimes expensive, activities to give wider opportunities for kids, if only there was any kind of support from community, principals, superintendents, and/or parents.

Sadly, that kind of cynicism can quickly spread to teachers and cause them to despair and hide in the corners just trying to meet some standards and keep from being moved to a worse position in the district.

Letting it get this bad is really an indictment on US culture, right now, honestly, even if there are some great schools with great support given. Even in the areas paying huge property taxes to support schools, aren't the teachers begging for supplies like tissue, Clorox wipes, etc? It's prevalent all around the country I think.

@Eebrohim

Maybe for private schools. The teachers I know in public schools all pay $500 to $1000 out of their pocket for classroom necessities because the school won't find them. And the same for IT here. Most new school IT hardware requests end up in increased tax votes because their budgets only have enough $ to keep things running and replace the occasional computer that breaks. Wish things were different, but they aren't here.

@QwertyQwerty programming, architecture, science, robotics, music

@Hordak

You said you implemented Labo? You'll have to give us an update with how long you are able to hold their interest. I'm also curious if you paid yourself or were able to get school funding.

@cleveland124
We have a building principal who is very supportive of trying new things to get kids engaged. He purchased a Nintendo Switch and three of each Kit. He only asked that the kids themselves give him a daily update with their progress which they have been filming with the Raberry Pi they had just programmed for the event. We are also going to add some progress videos to our school website. Trust me, the kids are currently very excited but, like you are wondering, it will be interesting to see how long the excitement holds on. That is why we are having them essentially try to make the standard constructions with different types of material besides the cardboard.

@aaronsullivan I realize my realism sounds cynical. The blame falls on society as a whole. And it isn't limited to the US. The majority of the world would rather spend its resources bombing each other than working to solve our problems through education, science and cooperation. That isn't opinion, it is fact.

@Paraka Agreed. The overwhelming majority of kids who steal things, or break things or even draw penises on everything aren't malicious. They are kids. They just do what they find fun or funny. They are still learning right from wrong. It's a lot harder for teachers these days as a lot of parents don't have the time, or aren't willing to spend the time, properly raising their kids.

@Heavyarms55 Same here fellow teacher. I don't see myself using Labo in my science class for the exact same reasons you have pointed out.

Better to keep that wonder un-institutionalised. It will do wonders to teach kids at home with their families. But in the educational system? No thank you.

Lot of people seem to think this is school buying Nintendo switch and Labo for the class. That's not what it said they want to get the kits in front of kids. This can easily be achieved by getting all those Nintendo demo vans that are doing nothing for 70% of the year filling them with Labo kits and touring schools. Boom Labo Infront of students, controlled environment keeping tech and children safe, and a fraction of the cost for the school as it would basically be free advertising for Nintendo.

What the school dose after Nintendo leaves is up to them.