Nintendo Is Ramping Up Switch Production To 25 To 30 Million Units A Year

Nintendo must feel they have some massive titles coming out next year to see such an increase in production. Feel they needed to have that already in place for the holidays this year.

That's ambitious... I just hope they don't sit around in stores until next holiday season and we see Nintendo basically giving them away like we've seen Microsoft with the XBOX ONE S this year.

Nintendo are overly optimistic in my opinion. This has got them in trouble before. It's crazy talk, it was amongst the analysts at first but now Nintendo seems to have joined the crazy gang.

Take your meds, you damn hippies.

If they ramp up scale they can soon drop the price. Once you get multiple units in one household, and once the inevitable version two ‘new’ Switch is realised and we all buy one again, then yeah Wii numbers aren’t unrealistic.

Maybe Nintendo can send more Splatton pro switch controllers
to spain, they sold out everywhere

@Gilgamesh I saw some of them at Carrefour and GAME

@FragRed Totally agree with you.
Nintendo must have some killer plan for next year, otherwise, it will just be another "normal" year.
A few things we can imagine already:
Streaming apps (Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Prime etc).
A proper online system
And maybe, they have some games to be announced that might be quite big/known?

I really don't see that happening. What does the Switch have going for it? More than half of its library is Wii U ports that we've all already bought. It doesn't have Netflix or a browser. The online is a joke and next year they'll be asking us to pay for that joke. All it gets from third parties is downgraded ports with muddy visuals instead of buttery smooth 60fps. You can't play COD on it nor watch other players open loot crates. FIFA 18, by far the most important third party game, has failed since it was so bad EA decided to pull it off shelves. And nobody cares about portability Nintendo, now how about you talk to Hulu so they can provide a VPN solution for those of us who paid for that overpriced tablet?
I haven't even started yet either. Do you want to play a Switch? You have to buy one. Ripoff. Do you want to play it docked? You have to buy a TV. Ripoff. Do you want to play in table top mode? You have to buy a table. Ripoff. These hidden costs easily push the cost of a Switch into quadruple figures. Let's also talk about the Joy-Cons and how you have to buy a pro controller (yet another hidden cost) if you've big hands like me. Worst controllers ever. Everything (and I mean everything) about them is garbage, their tiny size, small buttons, awful button placement, and don't even get me started on holding them sideways. Despicable! And for someone like me, with such giant-sized hands, they feel like muck. So basically you're looking at four figures for an under-powered handheld with TV-out, and remember, that's just a basic setup.

That seems ambitious, and availability here in the Eastern US is high (multiple neon joy con models in Target, in stock at most Gamestops when I check my app, and amazon in stock most of the time). Clearly building up for the Thanksgiving buying frenzy. Having said that, this isn’t the Wii, it is more personal. Apple sells more than 25m phone a quarter. IPad is more like 10m per quarter. As a device that is more premium than 3DS and more versatile than a TV console, Nintendo’s strategy of sellling one to each member of the house is taking shape. Profile transfers just added to the OS. Hulu just hit, so the apps are starting. Take a loook at the best sellers chart. Yesterday Mario Kart and Zelda were back in the top 5 - new Switches getting the high profile titles perhaps? This machine has real momentum. If LA Noise does well, and Rockstar puts GTA IV or V on Switch, 25m a year won’t seem like much.

I can't see as there's really any downside to ramping up production at this stage. The system has been a big success so far and it's still early in its life cycle.
Worst case scenario, they just end up storing a surplus in warehouses and don't have to make as many in years to come.

@gortsi that’s so far off the mark it isn’t funny... I hope you’re just being sarcastic.

@dystome That.

I hope they still have some big stuff coming, but even if they don't it's not a stretch to see another 30 million sold over it's life.

Please ignore the bait.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Not to be that guy, but "your opinion" prior to the NS flying off the shelves this March that the NS would flop and sell worse than the Wii U. Not trying to discredit you (yet), just pointing out that your previous predictions about NS sales figures have been wrong 😉

I'm not happy about the oil stains on my joycons after having the console only a few weeks. I look after my gear and wash my hands before playing too so is quite annoying.

I think Nintendo need to use better plastic for the joycons as this doesn't happen with other controllers. My imac keyboard doesn't even get like this after a years worth of use.

The Switch is great but this is disappointing because it makes it look like crap!

@Jimgamer8 I agree, GTA V and big Ninty titles could really push it up.

I predict new Pikmin, Smash port and some sort of wii sports for next year

@SLIGEACH_EIRE
If they're going to take advantage of the hype and have any hope of approaching Wii-type sales, 30 million a year is about where they would need to be.

Wii sold out completely for two years in a row at 25, and estimates say they could have sold close to double that if the stock had been available. Then we all know what happened next. Demand petered out during third and fourth years (for many different reasons,) and they ended at 100 million, a long shot from the PS2's 150.

Wow that is ambitious. Maybe they have a price drop planned next year, as economies of scale kick in from producing more units, they expect price drops from suppliers, or Nvidia drop their commission % for each unit sold as sales are higher than first planned. I hope that's the case, I'd love to see it receive a price drop so I'm more inclined to buy one.

"which would suggest that Switch owners are moving the dock around the house to use it on different TVs"

Or just want to charge it in bed while away from the dock without having to dismantle it every time...

@datamonkey
Ah yes. Nintendo are notorious for choosing the cheapest plastic they can get their hands on, as long as it is sufficiently sturdy. Gotta cut production costs somewhere I guess.

@gortsi The thing is, there will be a LOT more Switch owners than there were Wii U owners, and ultimately the majority will not have had a Wii U, so the Wii U port complaint is only going to affect a smaller constituency, like you and @Sligeach_Eire. So yes, annoying for you, but great for all those people who missed out on the Wii U's pretty darn great first-party library. And in another year or two, the Switch exclusives and third-party titles will dwarf the proportion of those taken from Wii U. Have patience. Or don't. And nobody is asking you to buy games you already own - that's your choice. But you're not going to play Splatoon 2, Arms, Odyssey, Octopath, Xenoblade 2, Shin Megami Tensei V, Metroid Prime 4 or the Switch Kirby and Yoshi anywhere else. That's a compelling argument for a lot of people.

Edit: Suckered. Nice one, @gortsi!

Ambitious but not ridiculous. At least there won't be a shortages issue next year.

Good news. This is the kind of ambitious number that investors and tech partners need to hear.

Nintendo usually run such a tight ship that only very large bulk production is worth it for their parts providers.

And for current and future developers on the platform it doesn't hurt either.

@tourjeff You forgot VC. It wasn't a major selling point for Wii, Wii U, or 3DS, since most of it's users had the original consoles and games in their house with multiplayer capability which the emulators didn't always support. However, NES VC on 3DS was a minor selling point and the New 3DS had it's SNES VC as a major such since consumers could play their favourite games from these on the go. Therefore, I think that VC could be a major selling point for the VC if it supports N64, GEN, Wii, and non-Nintendo consoles and likely also NDS, 3DS, and Wii if they release a cheap adapter to plug it into the TV while also updating the OS to be capable of using the touch screen and TV as separate units.

Ambitious but potentially possible. I was unsure about both the DS an Wii and they ended up huge successes.

I expect the arrival of several new titles including ones that in the past may have seen a home on the 3DS. In fact, I see the Switch becoming Nintendo's sole console with the Mobile market being its more "mainstream" market. Although possible interaction between the two could help drive some sales.

Stil its too early to tell. I'd say at least 2 years are needed. I only felt the Wii U was in real trouble after 2 years whilst the PS3 is an example of how things can be turned around. Not sure if there has been a console that started off great only to suddenly plummet in sales. Usually they show trouble from the start and either collapse or see changes that help it.

From the article it sounds like Nintendo is expecting to tap into the casual market in a big way during the next fiscal year. Perhaps Pokemon and/or Animal Crossing are coming by Christmas 2018.

@datamonkey Don't know what the difference could be, but my joy-con don't stain at all. They look brand new and I've had them since March. Maybe it's the soap you use on your hands...

The first year so far has been excellent. The question is whether that momentum can be held. We have seen next to nothing about 2018. If we haven't, then we can safely assume the casual consumer also hasn't. Hopefully, Nintendo hasn't completely shown their hand too early.

Doomed.

Oh, and that's pretty much in line for something BIG releasing next year.

Like Pokemon.

@Iggy-Koopa Dead on arrival!

Another share company trying to talk up the share price, just so they can say to their customers they were right to tell you to buy!!

Unless this comes from Nintendo I don't believe it

@gortsi so you are telling me that over 100 games are wii u ports?

@Pod The Switch will likely get a couple of upgrades which should keep it relevant for longer than the Wii was The Wii was a fad while the Switch is simply a fantastic gaming device with brilliant games. Pokémon in HD and playable on the TV for the first time is going to send sales through the roof.

If Nintendo are doing this (and, to be clear, these are just reports) it surely means that Pokemon will be the big holiday title next year.

45 million mainline Pokemon games were sold on the 3DS.

@gortsi
I think your on the wrong website!!

@dew12333 whilst I agree with that, it is interesting that the narrative has shifted to "who can be the most bullish on Nintendo sales".

The more bullish analysts are, the more wholesalers buy, the more stock is on shelves, the more people buy, the more bullish analysts are...

@gortsi what does the Switch have going for it? Hmm... How about the Game of the Year? Oh and the runner up to the Game of the Year?

Who would have thought people would buy a games console for games!?!

[Sorry apologies - I think I fell into a trap. The original post wasn't being serious.]

@NintendoVideoGa sorry that I didn't express myself better but I meant VC under the online services. But you're right, Nintendo should really advertise it when the time comes as this is a popular service.

@NintendoVideoGa I am sick and tired of the LIES that some people spout. I NEVER said the Switch would flop worse than the Wii U. It was virtually impossible for anything to do worse. It's a handheld with TV out so it was always going to get a chunk of that market and the Nintendo hardcore.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE yes you did, if you're going to talk nonsense at least own it

This is crazy yo! It could be just PR talk to hype up the product. I bet Nintendo isn't officially going to say anything about it until after the Holiday markets have come and gone.

@Roarsome #4 I agree. This better result in price drops! I hope accessory prices drop too. The Pro Controller and Joy-Con prices are still ridiculous.

@dystome #11 Good point! Good availability won't do them any bad, provided that all the bundles are desirable. @Jimgamer8 #10 The Neon Joy-Con bundle is a good example of something that should be more of a niche version than a shelf filler.

@dew12333 #31 The article is written like the info is coming straight from Nintendo. But you're right, this is not an official statement by Nintendo or its boss Kimishima.

@gortsi Evidence please.

That's very ambitious. As long as they don't overdo it and have lots of Switches sitting on shelves, then next year should be very good for Nintendo.

@JamesR

Teh 4 KAYZZZZZZ!!1!!

@OorWullie The Wii was a "fad" that enjoyed a typical (for Nintendo) 4 1/2 year life span. Came out in 2006 and was still relevant in 2010. With 2011 being the year where it finally fell from grace.

I dunno why people have a revisionist memory of the Wii as being a quick flash in the pan that was only relevant for 2 years or so. Sheeesh!

@SLIGEACH_EIRE yeah mate because that's how I was planning to spend my day, looking through your 6000 comments. I remember, and I'm sure tons of others do too.

@GC-161 also revisionists argue that the Wii just collected dust in the corner after a few months playing Wii Sports but it had a software attach rate of 9:1 (I think second only to the GameCube) with over 900 million units sold.

Nintendo unballs it, people complain, Nintendo overballs it, people complain. Guys, no one is psychic. You all spent the last year complaining about Nintendo understocking their products. Please don't forget that.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Yeah, you did, more than one time, like our fellow friend said, no one will spend hours finding your comments to prove what everyone already knows, that you are a NS hater before the release and you are eating all the BS that you said since march. It's is very good to see how wrong you were and still is.

@gcunit I can’t imagine Nintendo doesn’t have several big titles to announce for 2018. All they have is the Nintendo Switch for their big titles now.

@GC-161 Of course, I don't disagree with that.I loved the system and was playing on it till the very end but that's not really what I was meaning. It only reached that huge number of sales it did because it was such a massive hit with casuals but they moved on and Wii sales took a nose dive. The Switch I think will be different as it's not relying on a gimmick to sell the console.

@JamesR @dew12333 @JSG87 @Krull @DizzyDee81 Boys (or gals), you 've been successfully sligeached (or, rather, took the bait). Every single one of these incoherent ramblings have been pronounced on this very website, by a number of users, and still do, every single day. I think we can all agree how ridiculous this nonsense is, yet here we are reading it day after day. I hope you enjoy the brilliant Switch no matter how many of them Nintendo ends up selling, and apologies if I rattled you up, I just thought I would preemptively express the craziness so we can go on and discuss the merits of the article. Have a nice day!

I'll defend @SLIGEACH_EIRE here. For sure he never said that it would do worse than Wii U. There was certain others around here that did, the majority of which are nowhere to be seen anymore but not Sliggy..He predicted it to sell around 30 million if just for the fact it was also a handheld. He was pessimistic about it being a success from day one and has never really changed from that view point but it's clear to me he's a huge Nintendo fan and one not silly enough to predict it doing worse than Wii U.

@gortsi you make no sense. FIFA 18 is still available everywhere for switch. EA didn’t pull it from the shelf. And no, it’s not the most important 3rd party game because it only reaches a niche market.

@iammikegaines see comment #53. And FIFA is the exact opposite of niche, come on.

@OorWullie Thank you, at least there's one rational and honest person here. And yes I did say 30 million with a potential rise to 50 million with the caveat that the price is dramatically reduced. By that, I mean at the very least an €80 reduction.

SLIGEACH_EIRE, Sun 15th Jan 2017
"Mark my words, frame this. Switch will fail. I called it with the Wii U before it launched and unfortunately I was right. I bought the Wii U day 1 and own nearly everything there is to own. Bought all the major games on launch day too. There is so much wrong with this. Nintendo haven't learned."

@JunkRabbit And where in that statement does it say the Switch will do worse than the Wii U? 30 million could be considered a failure. The Gamecube as an example, as much as I loved it, sold 22 million and is regarded by many as a failure.

@JunkRabbit Thank you, glad that someone actually bothered. Now watch him spinning it and saying that he didn't mean it would sell less than the Wii U

@gortsi There's no spin, quit your trolling. Read my first comment here, I said it's my opinion and I think next years predicted sales are crazy. But you can't let it slide, you have to challenge it and be a troll.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE you just said that someone else is trolling? Are you for real? Unfortunately for you, we don't all have the memory of a goldfish. Keep going spin doctor

I totally believe they will outsell any other console or portable device ever. The Switch is the future of gaming. Congratulations, Nintendo.

We need a Nintendo Direct showing what they have planned for 2018.

@gortsi the "watch people open loot boxes" tipped me off

@OorWullie
Aye, I believe you will be proven right.
And with it seemingly being their only device altogether, service both the space of a new console and new handheld, it BETTER sell enough to serve them as a good sales platform.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE They can't seem to win eh. They were too conservative before which has lead to the shortage of Switch units and people claiming they did it on purpose but now they have ramped it up they are being overly optimistic? Sheesh!

I bought a second adapter. It's not that I'm on the road or moving the dock around, I just have it in my bedroom so I can play a bit in bed and then charge it overnight without having to get up.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE
You're way too predictable, mate... That's tactically never a good thing. Your own words really do speak for themselves. Trying to water them down (or editing your posts retroactively if somebody calls you out) doesn't always work...

Yeah sure, it's all subjective, all our individual perceptions of "reality". From my point of view for example the Wii U wasn't a failure at all. It is a console I have played countless great titles on and found great enjoyment in for several years (and there's still a backlog to bring me joy in the future, when I hopefully get around to all the games I haven't finished yet). I cannot consider that a failure. But it's not about that, is it?

As always you have postulated your opinion (or perception of reality, no matter how distorted it may be) as a matter of fact (then and now), so as to make the impression that your knowledge, perspective and opinion rule all. This is why there is so much opposition. You basically ask for it. But that's on purpose, isn't it? You feel irrelevant and/or nobody will talk to you otherwise? If so, please be assured: You are still a valuable human being (to someone, I am sure), and some of your more moderate input is very welcome.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE you bought the GameCube and the Wii-U? Wow... the last Nintendo system I had before the Switch was the SNES.

@gortsi
"And nobody cares about portability Nintendo"

I DO Care with Portability.
I play 3DS games a lot.
I prefer Handheld mode than console mode.
Who said nobody care with Portability ?
Portability = Freedom !
Play wherever whenever you want, not stuck on Big TV.
Be Free, like a Butterfly.

@Anti-Matter
Dude, he was being sarcastic

@SLIGEACH_EIRE

It's not really that crazy if we get Pokemon next year (or soon after). If anything Nintendo has always been conservative, so that tells me they have big plans for the system in terms of AAA games.

@JaxonH
Ow...
I see...

@gortsi
I think the fact so many people thought you were being serious speaks to how often we actually hear that sort of nonsense.

I dont think the Switch will do Wii numbers but easily as much as current PS4 install base if content remains strong.

@JaxonH every.single.day. Like I don't mind people being critical, you have criticized things before and I have too. For example, I'm still mad Nintendo thought 32 GB of storage (exactly like the Wii U!) was gonna cut in 2017 and about the fact that they still don't seem to accept they need to take a hit to their profit margins for the 32 GB carts, as well as start making the 64 GB ones because games keep getting bigger and third parties don't really care about compression. There's plenty of merits in criticism and every company needs it if they want to get better. But what we see here is not that. It's the same inane, tired nonsense, repeated ad nauseam, trying to bait people to respond to things completely unrelated to the article at hand and generally stirring things up for no reason. And if you think about it the offenders are a very small minority that hinders discussion. I believe NL would be a lot better without these hot takes, but then again I'm glad there are people like you that actually discuss things instead of ranting.

@DizzyDee81 Yes, I owned every Nintendo console from and including the SNES on day 1. Bought all the handhelds too except the 3DS. Nothing against it, just lost interest in portable gaming and 3D does nothing for me. The Switch is the first console I didn't buy day 1 because of the deplorable way they handled Wii U.

@MoonKnight7 Ya, I think Pokémon must be coming in 2018.

"the AC adapter is one of the console's best-selling accessories, which would suggest that Switch owners are moving the dock around the house to use it on different TVs, or are taking their consoles on the road with them"

Or Ninteod suckered us all by selling the Switch as a hybrid, but they put the power supply in the back of the dock, meaning any time my kids want to play in handheld mode while charging we NEED a plug. Nobody in their right mind is going to constantly be moving the plug into and out of the dock. Not saying Nintnedo should have included 2 plugs, dont' expect that, just the genius of basically selling 2 consoles, home and away, but only including 1 plug dedicated to the home dock when it's kind of obvious everyone will need to charge in portable mode. Before I even had a Switch I bought 2 extra chargers, 1 for home, 1 for the car.

@JaxonH In case you hadn't noticed by now I don't think Antimatter's first language is English, he's from Indonesia, he doesn't pick up on subtly very well. Almost every article on NL has somebody explaining something to him. It's a tradition.

@OorWullie Bonus points for sticking up for slig, I used to, but burned out on it. Why so many people keep replying to him every single thread to make the exact same argument I have no idea.

@Moshugan "This better result in price drops! I hope accessory prices drop too. The Pro Controller and Joy-Con prices are still ridiculous."

Switch is an accessory bonanza. I think they'll drop the Switch price by dropping practically everything else in the box. Joycon and tablet, that's all that's left, "Switch Portable". Shelves at Target and Gamestop aren't full of $89.99 dock b/c Nintneod thinks everyone wants a 2nd dock, it's b/c once they start selling the Switch w/o the dock for $199 people will be buying the $90 dock. And $15 Grip. Who knows, maybe nutty Ntineod will even drop the $30 adaptor, it is their #1 selling accessory after all. Imagine how many more they would sell if it weren't in the box? They did it w/ 3DS so there's a precedent.

Heck, they could probably sell the "Switch Tablet" by itself for $99 and make up the difference selling $79 pair of Joycons and $69 Pro and $29 Charging Grip.

When Nintnedo says they are making 25-30mil Swtich a year, I don't for a second believe it's the $299 bundle. That will sell well this holiday, but once Pokemon drops, they need a kid friendly price.

@gcunit Out of interest do you have the coloured joy cons? After searching the internet it seems many others have the same problem as me but they tend to be the grey joy cons not coloured...

You could be right though, maybe it's the soap I'm using or maybe I just have particularly oily hands! Having said that though this doesn't happen on my other controllers/plastic equipment so not sure...

@rjejr #83 Unfortunately you're most likely right that the $199 box would drop the dock, and even the power adapter in some areas of the world. But by ramping up the numbers they will be able to make the production itself cheaper and they might be able to pinch another $50 off the regular package making it $250 in the US.

@datamonkey I've got neon red, neon blue, and ARMS yellow. No greys.

@gortsi Completely agreed, well said. Another sad thing is that when you see an article like this on the front page, you already know what you're going to find in the comments section: yet another stream of mindless and negative ramblings and self-constructed truths, that (as has also been noted in this thread) are often post-edited.

It's not only sad, it's completely pathetic, and an absolute detriment to the site. And the wriggling, twisting and turning to keep those "truths" alive, is even more pathetic.

The ignore button doesn't help with that at all, because you'll still see mentions of other commenters, and a normal person having to use an ignore button to be able to rid himself of a mindless rambling troll is actually the epitomy of the world upside down: good people shouldn't be punished or suffer any consequences while visiting one of their favorite websites, which most of us do to have a positive experience by sharing and talking about our hobby.

And constructive criticism can definitely be a part of that, but that is something that certain people will never be able to grasp. The site would definitely be better off without them. /rant

I think we need a little bit of @Slug_Geek_Ire in here...

@rjejr

"Nobody in their right mind is going to constantly be moving the plug into and out of the dock."

Yeah, this exactly. When I preordered my console I, budgeted an extra 30 bucks for another plug cause I knew that pulling that thing all the time would get old quickly. The AC adapter/Switch ratio is pretty ridiculously high, I'm sure.

Some people saw it as a turnoff, and I totally get it, but it was smart nonetheless. Though, 30 bucks for that thing still seems steep to me. Glad to see Nintendo never changes there, haha.

Good. Now ramp up production of 32GB cartridges.

Probably just a favor article for a trader friend trying to sell Nintendo stock.

Nintendo already changed their language to "sold in " from "sold through" in their 14 million estimate. So they not even sure they can sell that many.

Awesome!

I think Nintendo should launch a new SKU and I ain't talking about recolor Joy-cons and game bundles. I'm talking about a Switch unit without the dock for 220$.

@tourjeff You ask for Hulu but it's already here? I think the rest of the streaming apps are pretty guaranteed at this point, at least the key ones.

LOL at the delusional Wii U owners who feel the need to hate on the Switch in every single article related to it. Your precious Wii U is dead and has been for quite some time. Move on and quit being so pathetic.

@link3710 Yes, I know that Hulu is here, I think it was released only yesterday. But Hulu is only available/popular in North America from what I understand so all the other streaming apps are really important to arrive as soon as possible if that is what Nintendo wants.

@ThanosReXXX That was a really good rant if I may say so! Someone here, I don't remember who exactly but maybe it was you, gave a really good example from another forum where they had a similar problem. A bunch of commentators who, despite not technically violating any of the community rules, created such a toxic environment that people just got up and left. The exact same pattern is repeated here and it's really unfortunate because it deters people from discussing the actual articles. I was lurking for a long time before I started commenting but I often find myself distracted due to all these things and not actually talking about anything important. Btw @Slug_Geek_Ire is brilliant but his comments seem to have vanished from everywhere, maybe someone is cheekily reporting him? I wonder who...

@gortsi

Yeah you got me, lol!!
Your right I also get annoyed daily on here by people moaning their expectations haven't been met, it's just you put a lot of them in just one comment so sparked my response.

I shall stay deliriously in love with all things Nintendo just like all the loyal Nintendo fans here!

@JamesR
Your right and I hope so are they too but the shares world is so full of sh** it's difficult to trust.

25/30 million produced != 25/30 million shipped

I can see Nintendo shipping 17-18 million Switches next fiscal year (which is a phenomenal result), but not 25-30 million. Those are peak Wii/DS numbers.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE We don't care about how many Nintendo consoles you bought, the matter is that EVERYBODY already know that you don't like NS what would not be a problem if you did not have to say how much you don't like NS and how much you are a fan of Nintendo on EVERY SINGLE NS ARTICLE. You are toxic and behave like a spoiled child, grow up.

@gortsi Thanks.
As for that example: that sounds like something I could possibly have done (and most definitely agree with), but in this instance, I think it was someone else. Actually, I also remember reading something like that.

The salt levels here are through the roof from the usual whiners. Sad, so sad. It's an opinion people, deal with it. And just look at comment number 103. The crap and racist remarks I've to put up with are abysmal. I haven't said anything bad here.

I'm telling you now, frame it, but I'm confident Nintendo won't sell 30 million Switch's next year. It's good to be optimistic but you also have to be realistic.

@ThanosReXXX If you ignore a user on this website, you won't see other users' comments that mention that user.

@Pod

I'm having Vietnam flash backs of when I worked as a Christmas Temp @ Zavvi in 2008. The shuffling hordes of middle-aged women following the scent of freshly delivery Wii-Fit boards. It was absolute chaos when we sold out aha.

@Roarsome My thoughts exactly.

@gortsi I respect your opinion, but disagree with everything you said.

@NinNin I would if they don't add his name, or the @ sign, or if they describe him in any other way. And you can also see reactions like mine or @gortsi's, that also don't mention the actual name.

Even that is annoying to me. I visit this site to enjoy myself talking about my hobby with like-minded people, not to annoy myself about dim-minded people. Especially not those who consider themselves know-it-alls that think they know better what a multi-billion dollar company should do, than that company itself...

One would seriously wonder why such a person isn't a millionaire yet...

@SLIGEACH_EIRE No one's salty here other than you. I will however frame the comment for the inevitable lulz, just like a few others who have seem to have disappeared for a while. Just remember to post-edit it as you usually do so you can claim you were right and scream wolf one more time @SLitz1979 See comment #52 for clarification.

@gortsi You're the worst of the comments here. Opening sarcastic troll comment(#9) and have continued right throughout this story. You're a sad little person. You're also a liar, referring to comment #52, you didn't "preemptively" make any remark, you made it after mine and were deliberately trolling.

Why are you guys still fighting?

@SLIGEACH_EIRE That's right mate, you got me. Don't forget to take your meds and go outside from time to time, it might help you grow up and stop behaving like a five year old. But if not, we'll still have all the lulz to look forward to. And since you still post-edit to appear smart, it was preemptive not because it preceded yours but because it summarizes your ravings perfectly well. Twice people have proven your lies today, so I'm sure you're hard at work editing all those posts you've been making all these years. It won't work.

@gortsi I'm not dealing with any more of your lies and childish trolling crap. You've joined my ignore list. It's an exclusive club, you're member #3. See ya!

@SLIGEACH_EIRE, Sun 15th Jan 2017
"Mark my words, frame this. Switch will fail. I called it with the Wii U before it launched and unfortunately I was right. I bought the Wii U day 1 and own nearly everything there is to own. Bought all the major games on launch day too. There is so much wrong with this. Nintendo haven't learned."

@FragRed I was thinking about it recently how November hasn’t got any 1st party releases. But has tons of 3rd parties. I believe they have done this on purpose to promote people buying 3rd parties, as the success of the console depends upon it.

If they had tons of major releases this year, and not done what they have by steadily releasing a game per month, I believe it could have drowned out the sales of 3rd parties, and had a negative effect on the future.

Nintendo will always release its own games, but timing is crucial here.

@ThanosReXXX @gortsi I remember once seeing an excellent response from @frogopus that was worth searching for and posting:

Is that how that [having an opinion] works? Here's the thing. I ran a popular forum about a decade ago. You'd get a sort of person that was impossible to address. Never broke the rules, sometimes contributed in useful ways, was VERY active, and yet the sheer volume of their toxicity and negativity constantly rubbed others the wrong way. You couldn't quite justify a ban, but their presence hurt the site as a whole. I'd actually find myself having to ban others for their reactions to this kind of person. As a whole, the forum would be better without that person. But even if you finally banned them, they were the kind of person who would find a way to reemerge. Once I had kids I learned life's too short to subject oneself to that kind of negativity (I may as well go drown in the comments of a Facebook news article). Nice to see an ignore feature here.

@JimmySpades That's the one I was talking about, thank you very much! Seeing this resonated so much with what's happening here, especially considering that it's been going on for more than two years and frankly, it's annoying as hell. As @ThanosReXXX also pointed out, the ignore feature is not actually that useful because people quote them and you get an idea of what they wrote even if you can't see their exact words.

If the Switch actually does sell 25+ million next year (which I dont think will happen), I'll be here just to see the glorious salt being poured.

Regardless of whether Nintendo achieves that rumored shipment forecast next year, I can't wait for the "The Switch sold great in 2018 and 2017, but sales will obviously collapse in 2019" comments.

@gortsi - So well done. I think you only missed “hidden costs/TRUE cost of the Switch” and the chance to talk about your huge hands.

@JimmySpades Thanks for posting that, it was indeed the comment that came to mind earlier.

@gortsi Yep. That was also the one I was thinking about. Like minds and all that, huh?

As for that ignore feature: I personally think its defeatism in its ultimate form. Why the hell should I be subject to having to use such a thing when it isn't me that is doing anything wrong?

I don't kneel to lesser individuals.

@ThanosReXXX - It speaks volumes when a long time, level headed community member such as yourself speaks up the way you did here. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. While those in question should feel deep shame, I doubt they will.

So does that mean that the shortage of components at Foxconn has now died out? Cause last I checked, in Japan anyway, it was incredibly hard to get your hands on a unit.

@bimmy-lee I'm afraid you'd probably be right about that. With individuals like that, it's always the others that are to blame, a lot of "woe is me" and never any self-reflection considering it might at the very least also partially be one's own fault.

The fact that it's not just one, but multiple persons speaking out, should at the very least ring some bells, but I guess not.

On a side note: I also remember him mentioning in another comment quite some time ago that he's also a big guy, so combine that with his big hands, his whereabouts, and his overall demeanor/behavior on here, and add to that all the negativity, and you could start to wonder if he isn't perhaps an actual troll...

@frogopus You call that [removed]? I'd say it was just a matter of fact recounting of something that you experienced, and you phrased it quite eloquently and politely.

I do not agree about the ignore button, though. No offense, but I don't wish to restrict/punish myself for what someone else is doing. That's just totally wrong and weird.

By the way: I think you hit the nail on the head with the term "stubborn cancer". I have found that it is unfortunately one of the more negative sides of the whole online world.

There will always be people that think that just because they're anonymous, they can just go ahead and do and say whatever the heck they like without any restrictions or social morals and values. Some of these people never even had a voice before there was an online world. That would have been so much better, but it is the world we live in now, and it is what we have to deal with if we want to continue to be online. Take the bad with the good, so to speak.

The comments section under the average YouTube video is also a very good, albeit also very sad, example of that. Sometimes truly appalling...

@ThanosReXXX - Ha! Big (furry) hands. Call me cynical, but in the absence of any tangible proof, if I see a troll type refer to themselves as a large individual; I immediately assume they’re small in stature to match their character. The bigger the keyboard muscles, the smaller the individual. There’s a very fine member here who has trouble with the joy con due to the size of his hands. If you click a link in his profile, it’s immediately clear that he’s a large man. I get it. But in the case of Sighgeach, was there really going to be any other end result? I could have written his post damning the joy con for him. It was that predictable.

@bimmy-lee "the bigger the keyboard muscles... "

And accurate addition to the voiceless people I mentioned. Don't forget the pimples, braces, spectacles, greasy hair and history of being bullied at school...

@ThanosReXXX I agree with you on the ignore feature and feel the same about reporting a post. This is not facebook, there aren't millions of members, and if we can see that the same two-three individuals are the cause of misery day after day then I don't for one second buy that the higher ups don't.
@bimmy-lee hold on, stealth editing right now, check it again in five and let me know. Advance warning, I'll make use of your talent, you'll see! I do feel sad that @WiltonRoots has missed all the fun today, he'll have a lot to catch up on.
@frogopus your analogy is spot on. However, I don't feel people like this will ever stop posting unless action is taken.

@gortsi - Been thinking of him too. He probably had to take a walk around the block to cool off for fear of smashing another crockery set.

@gortsi And don't forget to add a "funny" picture with your post-edit, might score you a few more additional likes...

@dystome One of the highest costs in making and delivering products is the storage cost.

I think is way over too optimistic to produce that many Switches, which is about a fifth of total Wii sold and twice as many Wii Us sold in its lifetime.

Maybe Nintendo has closed some deal on AAA titles (like GTA 6 or something as big) that we don't know about. Or they are already working on Mario Odyssey 2 for release on X-mas 18.

@ThanosReXXX ha! I wish I knew how to do that, is it just a matter of copying and pasting a random link from a webpage? Asking for a friend...

@gortsi Use this command line, without all the spaces:
[ img ] <link to picture here> [ / img ]

@Moshugan " making it $250 in the US."

I think $250 is still too expensive though for a kids toy, which is what it will be once it starts getting games like Pokemon. And licensed stuff like Frozen and Disney Magical World. Not that Pokemon is only a kids game, but I think parents will scoff at the idea. 3DS didn't do so well at $250, got cut to $170 right quick. Nintendo needs to make it parent friendly, and I think that's $199.

Though admittedly I get hung up on a $250 Switch w/ a dock vs a $199 Switch w/o a dock scenario. But if they can mass produce enough Switch tablets to bring the price down to $250, maybe $179 w/o the dock is enticing enough for parents yet different enough to justify having both on the shelves.

I just feel like there will need to be a cheaper alternative for when Pokemon releases. Hopefully not something as egregious as the original 2DS, but I suppose it's not out of the question.

@rjejr That'll be a dream come true: "Switch tablet" for 99, a pro controller for 70 and a inexpensive charger for 20. If they do that, I'll go for a couple of them.

Name calling from a hypocritical child who created an alternative account so that they can act the troll without fear of impunity on their real account. And just look at your childish fixated name. Pathetic!

You know what the really sad thing is? I know who you are and if people look back just over this comment section they can see it too. You clearly were at the back of the line when God was handing out brains.

Edit: And I see some people seem to think I've reported your comments. Well I haven't, I wasn't aware of your existence until today. I haven't reported a comment in at least a month I'd say. And trust me I've seen vulgar, racist and more, comments made about me. You obviously haven't been saying nice things if your comments have been removed.

There's one person that easily takes the crown for the most disgusting comments on this site. Every now and then they pop up to have a pop. It's a person that otherwise never comments, another alternate account I bet. Thankfully, the mods remove them almost immediately. I must screen capture the next one. Honestly, you have to see them to believe it. It's the kind of stuff that could be reported to the police.

who knows if only switch owners buy the AC adapter? it's actually a really nice USB-C adapter (both high-powered and pretty cheap) that i use with my other USB-C devices.

@maceng I'm holding out for the $199 SwitchTV myself when my kid goes off to college and takes our Switch with him in a couple of years.

Nothing wrong with being ambitious, first year is off to a great start, so if they can, it's good news all around.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Give up

@gortsi @bimmy-lee This has been great, was out all day and came home to an absolute treat. Post #9 basically covers an entire post history (without taking into account stealth editing)...certainly worthy of its own bingo card I reckon. Failing that I'm sure someone out there could code a comment generator quite easily, along the lines of this: http://www.tomforth.co.uk/guardiancomments/

It will be interesting to see what's in store for 2018-2019 then. Nintendo had already doubled this year's production so for them to feel the need to potentially double it again they must have a lot of confidence in the 2018 line-up that we haven't seen yet.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE 50 million is more than what SNES sold. Failing is like the Dreamcast which dropped from £200 to £50 and still failed to sell 10 million be sure it was undesirable. The WiiU selling only 15 million regardless of the games released for it because it was undesirable. The PSVITA having bundles of tonnes of games and a home console iteration and being undesirable.

I almost get the feeling you picked 30 - 50 million just so you can have an excuse to act like the Switch is performing poorly for atleast a year or two no matter how it sells. Unlike the failing systems listed, so far the Switch has proven desirable enough the system sells itself. So much so that they charge extra when bundling games.

Regarding the whole Slig thing, I'm surprised so many people take an obvious paid troll so seriously. Probably doesn't even play video games.

@WiltonRoots - It’s sad that comment section bingo was once reserved for special occasions, but now it’s totally feasible several times daily under subjects as benign as “Nintendo plans to make more stuff”.

@Nintendo_Thumb - I don’t subscribe to the weird NL conspiracy theories that float around here (at a now daily rate). I don’t think they get paid for high scores. I don’t think they provide leniency to big name publishers. I certainly don’t think they pay someone to troll the comment sections to boost comment numbers. If anything, your theory is counter productive to community engagement. Furthermore, it boggles my mind that anyone who believes such things would be here to post such comments in the first place. I’ve been a daily reader here since I stumbled in via google while searching for a WiiWare review, and I find NL journalism to be respectable. I’ve read the comment sections long enough to know that there’s always been sufficient chatter, with or without a muckraker stirring things up.

@Slug_Geek_Ire I bet that @SLIGEACH_EIRE thinks that you're an alt of mine. With the quality of work you do that's a compliment, but alas, it isn't true. Keep fighting the good fight.

Calling him out on his editing makes me laugh. I've seen him completely delete comments just to link to a thread to "prove" to someone else that he never said something and that I was lying. Of course one wonders how one remembers a conversation one didn't take part in...

They didn't say it would happen, rather it could happen if the figures this year warrant it.

Face it - most 3rd parties have egg on their face from under supporting the Switch. The more switch sells, and the better games like Doom go... The more they will be planning for it next year.

And for an obvious hardware upgrade... What about a 4G / mobile version of the Switch? You'll get a bunch of people upgrading and you'll start attracting developers who need a regular online connection along with portability.

Then couple that with a new Pokemon game, Monster Hunter, GTA, fallout, Metroid .. and something like Pokemon Go ...

Anyway, this time the ball is squarely in Nintendo's court. They can kill the golden goose, or ensure its setup for years to come.

This is the upgrade for all those DS users in the world... All 100m+

@bimmy-lee Yep, here we are sadly. @Nintendo_Thumb you may well have a point there. If the clickbait headings don't work, send in a troll to the comment sections to rile people up and the clicks multiply.

It's not hard to move the extra copies.

Option 1. Unified Estore allowing digital copies from Wii U and DS over. And that just a software update.

Option 2. New Smash Brothers game.

Option 3. New Pokemon game.

They just need to keep the games shelved until the sells drop.
Then release the game, and the sells will rise again.

@gortsi - I must have checked your original post while you were still editing the other day. I just saw the final, finished product. Brilliant. Nothing to do now but wait a year for the additional hardware to sell through, stealth edit in a “bold prediction” after the fact, and quote yourself in another section (and provide a link here) to prove your genius to everyone.

@bimmy-lee Haha, thanks for the inspiration, you can see that a certain part was basically one of your comments! Yeah asides from the trolling part I really think the edit button has been so abused that I am suspicious of its existence in the first place-besides the fact that it doesn't even show when a comment has been edited, as it happens on countless other websites and forums.

@gortsi - It’s an honor. Feel free to use anything I’ve written here if it helps construct a post like that. I don’t comment on any other site (never have and usually avoid comment sections like the plague), but I’ve noticed the forums here do time stamp an edit. It would be HIlarious if it was added and all edited comments were stamped retroactively.

@bimmy-lee I think we should, alongside other venerable members like @WiltonRoots, @PanurgeJr, @ThanosReXXX, @JaxonH and others that I am surely forgetting, create a definitive bingo version that would include everything and whoever happens to be commenting on an article just stick it there to be seen. It can also be saved in the cloud so we can edit it accordingly, since I'm sure new "arguments" will soon arise- just wait until EA or another third party says they're not making games for the Switch, can't imagine the comments on that article (or can I?).

@gortsi - It would be great fun. I think we’re at a point where we could even generate article specific bingo cards. For instance, the comment sections under Digital Foundry videos here are quickly becoming a slum. Suddenly, many people require an undetectable to the human eye/human reflexes level of frames per second or a game is completely unplayable. It’s pretty amazing. I vowed to myself yesterday that I’ll no longer look at comments under DF videos, but bingo would surely bring me back. There’s lots more unintentional comedy there as well. It could easily fill a bingo card. I think the free space on any card though needs to be renamed the, “It’s just my opinion” space. As in, “This thing that I wrote that no actual human being would ever think or believe is just my opinion. Sheesh.”

@gortsi I think I can more than likely come up with every lame excuse, wriggling out from under or backpedaling practices known to man.

I'm a sales & marketing professional. I can smell BS and lies from a mile away, so I see right through all that, and I don't even have to come back and add pictures to my earlier posts to let people believe I'm funny...

@bimmy-lee Time-stamped edits would be interesting. Pretty standard fare with most phpBB forums. Even more interesting if like Fakebook it shows you the edit history.

@WiltonRoots - Now that would be interesting. I bet there would be far, far less blowhard predictions under threat that they can’t be edited later to maintain the false narrative of video game industry prophet. I wasn’t aware that this happens on FB, but I like the idea. I’m one of the handful of weirdos in the world without a profile. I dabbled in MySpace when it first launched and quickly hated it. Never messed with Twitter. I just use IG to share pics of my kids and things I find with family and friends.

@ThanosReXXX - I’m currently in real estate, and I’ve had quite a few other sales jobs through the years and worked a bit in marketing. It’s truly amazing the amount of bad liars out there who think they’re great liars. Often completely contradicting their own lies within the space of a few minutes. I usually let them believe it’s worked until it benefits me/my clients to knock down their house of cards. It never gets old. Now...

(image of something universally liked in the hopes of luring rubes into my web of lies)

Edit - Guilty of editing for spelling and grammar (dang you Siri) from time to time, usually immediately upon review after posting. I added a thought once a minute after posting that I forgot to include initially, and I got called on it; so I try to get it all out the first time or clearly indicate my edit.

@bimmy-lee Haha, well always better to be able to blame Siri than some toxic Sludge dredged up in Eire...

@MoonKnight7 ""Nobody in their right mind is going to constantly be moving the plug into and out of the dock.""

I had actually planned on doing that for all of our upcoming roadtrips so we could take the charger w/ us but not the dock, which also has my USB-Ethernet port adaptor plugged into it, but decided even as insane as I am, even I'm not that nuts. I picked up a couple of clearance chargers, 1 USB A-C for the car, 1 C-C for hotels, at Target.

Did you also budget another $30 for a micro SD card? I bought a 64GB Sandisk on sale for $17.99 on Amazon. Bought a 2,000GB external HDD for $63 for my PS4 last week. Definitely a better bang for the buck on the PS4 HDD.

@rjejr

Hahaha, I did indeed budget for that too. I got myself a 128GB for 35 bucks I think, when there was a decent sale on Amazon. I have a PS4 as well, and I definitely need to invest in an external drive, cause that 500GB loads up quick.