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As we await full publication of Nintendo President Tatsumi Kimishima's annual financial results presentation, early snippets from journalists on the ground in Japan suggest it won't pull up any trees. There's confirmation of unannounced games still to be revealed for Switch this year (of course there are!) and some numbers around mobile revenues, but there are evidently few blockbuster reveals. Perhaps that should be the expected approach of Kimishima-san, who evidently prefers leaving announcements and surprises to the company's marketing teams. That's a fair approach and there's nothing wrong with it, albeit it lacks the theatrics and potential for surprises that used to grace the equivalent presentations from his predecessor, the never-to-be-forgotten Satoru Iwata.
So while we're yet to see any surprise release dates or product teases this week, the financial reports have nevertheless given us some interesting facts and figures to chew over. In some respects analysts were often wrong in their recent predictions, underestimating how many Switch systems were shipped / sold to retail in March but also over-estimating how many the company thinks it'll ship in this financial year. What we have now is clarity, and also an insight into Nintendo's priorities and the systems it believes will deliver profits and a good year for the company.
And it's not just about the Switch, let's get that out there right away. Unfortunately the Wii U is well and truly finished, discontinued and with no more units to ship, though Nintendo still reckons it'll shift three million games, likely in the form of existing stock and a handful of licensed games. It's a system that can feel hard done by, having served up a game catalogue with some truly wonderful titles - existing owners will undoubtedly seek out bargains or titles that will finish off their collections.
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Yet it's the 3DS that is very much alive for another year. As a reminder, Nintendo expects to ship six million units of the hardware, which would be low by past standards but entirely acceptable considering the age of the system. On top of that the company estimates 40 million 3DS games to be sold in this financial year, which is eye-opening for the fact that it's five million higher than the Switch number of 35 million. Of course the portable has a sizeable userbase - over 66 million systems sold - while the Nintendo Switch is just starting, but it's an intriguing statistic nevertheless.
As we've seen in the million sellers from last year evergreen games on 3DS can play a big part, but even with that in mind the current line-up doesn't look like it's full of huge success stories at retail. We have Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia, Hey! Pikmin, Ever Oasis and a new Kirby game on the list, while there are localisations of games like Monster Hunter Stories and Miitopia confirmed for the West. It reads like a list of potential solid releases without an obvious game to blow the charts wide open.
In a year with record breaking sales of Pokémon Sun and Moon the 3DS passed 55 million games sold, so in theory if you take Sun and Moon's 15.4 million sales out of the equation you have that 40 million number. Yet with 3DS momentum surely slowing we still wonder how Nintendo will hit that target. A theory we've had is that the rumours of Pokémon Stars - or a similar 'third' entry in the current generation - could be cross-platform. Those rumours referred to the game for Switch, but the suggestion was the world would be like that in Sun and Moon but with a new HD engine. Yet what if it follows Fire Emblem Warriors as a dual release, albeit that FE game will only be on New 3DS? Frankly, if a new Pokémon game came out on both Switch and 3DS, it'd likely sell more copies on the older handheld courtesy of the 'mon fanbase that owns those systems.
Another theory is that Nintendo has some more unannounced mid-tier titles on the way, which could align with new Nintendo Selects additions to deliver that 40 million target through a broad group effort, a number of titles and discount editions all chipping into the end goal. That's also a valid theory.
The summary point is simple, though, the 3DS isn't dead yet - Nintendo has repeated the target of expanding the 3DS audience among women and children in particular, and its sales estimates show that it believes the portable has life in it. We'd also expect bundles and perhaps even a New 3DS price cut to be considered as ways to drive further interest.
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As for Nintendo Switch, there is a positive outlook that would see the system keep pace with previous success stories, albeit Nintendo's own estimates aren't as bold as those thrown around by analysts in recent weeks. Nintendo's target of shipping ten million Switch units may be a conservative number to manage expectations, but it's certainly not the pedal-to-the-metal 14 million+ number some had predicted. Of course, projections and estimates from Nintendo can be adjusted every three months, but as it stands the company is expecting a relative success-story through 2017.
We feel the numbers give two interesting sets of context, so let's break them down. First of all, if Nintendo's projection is right on the money this is where the system will stand after 13 months on the market in comparison to the final Wii U figure.
- Estimated Switch lifetime sales up to 31st March 2018 - 12.74 million
- Final Wii U sales, system now discontinued (released November 2012) - 13.56 million
After 13 months on the market, in other words, the Switch could be close to overtaking the Wii U's lifetime sales across its four years+ on sale.
Let's go back, though, to the 3DS launch. It arrived in Japan in late February 2011, but only hit territories like North America and Europe in late March that year, as Nintendo was eager to get a weekend of global launch sales 'on the books', much like with the early March arrival of Switch.
- Nintendo Switch launch sales (global release on 3rd March) - 2.74 million
- 3DS launch sales (February 2011 Japan, March 2011 WW) - 3.61 million
Now let's look at the first full year on the market - remember the 3DS slumped so much after launch that its price was cut by around a third in Autumn / Fall 2011, a tactic that worked rather nicely alongside some key software releases.
- Nintendo Switch estimated total sales by 31st March 2018 - 12.74 million
- 3DS total sales by 31st March 2012 - 17.13 million
It's worth also noting that in 2012 / 2013 the 3DS shifted nearly 14 million more systems, which missed Nintendo's target for 18 million in that period. It was red hot even though it wasn't hitting its estimates.
None of this is to downplay where the Switch is right now, but it's useful context, especially considering the fact Nintendo is keeping the 3DS in the game for this financial year.
It's an interesting comparison for Switch - so far it's thankfully on the road to far greater success than the Wii U, yet the hybrid is tracking well below the 3DS. Is that 'good'? Nintendo likely won't say in public whether it considers that a reasonable state of affairs. If the Switch matches previous home console numbers maybe that's enough, but it perhaps depends on whether the 3DS eventually gets a true successor, or whether Switch and future iterations of it are supposed to fill both the home and portable sides of the market for Nintendo.
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Ultimately, the key point for those following the company is that, Switch / 3DS comparisons aside, the company seems on track for a return to strong net sales and profits; if the targets are hit the company's net sales will be reminiscent of late Wii era figures, which is better than the annual declines of the past 5-6 years. Nintendo has been broadening its business to achieve this, of course, with more licensing of brands including future theme park attractions, and the current day efforts on mobile. The Wall Street Journal (paywall) quotes Kimishima-san as saying that the company brought in ¥24.3 billion from its own mobile apps, which should convert to over USD$200 million. Super Mario Run is the download success while the micro-transaction driven Fire Emblem Heroes has made more money; the positive for Nintendo is that these numbers can be improved on a lot in the mobile market.
Areas where last year was weak and can be improved were download revenues (unsurprising with the Wii U eShop in particular being relatively quiet) and amiibo; in the latter case Nintendo only shifted 9.1 million figures and 9.3 million cards, well down on the giddy heights when each branch of that business would sell 20 million units+ in less than a year. Nintendo didn't mention amiibo directly in its outlook for the coming year, so though the range will no doubt continue (new figures were only just recently announced) there isn't much to suggest Nintendo's got major plans to boost the product. We'll see whether the published briefing and/or investor Q&A address this further.
Overall, though, Nintendo is in a good spot. It has multiple successful areas of business that are either living longer than some would have expected (3DS) or have ample room for growth (Switch and Mobile); that's not even touching upon potential additional products like the rumoured SNES Mini. Even if it only hits its minimum targets the company's sales revenues will be the highest they've been in a generation of hardware, and the Nintendo brand is expanding and gaining exposure in new areas. There's still work ahead, and it's not time to get out the party balloons yet, but the company is at least moving in the right direction.
Ahead of an important 2017, that positive momentum is pleasing to see.
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Long live the 3ds!!!
The King is dead. Long live the Wii U.
It's way too early to tell how Switch is going to do long-term. Sure Zelda on Switch has sold more than the console itself. Who do you think is buying them? The casuals? I don't think so. Right now apart from probably Japan it's most likely the hardcore buying it.
Still waiting for this so called tidal wave of 3rd party support that some people seem to think is waiting to surprise us at E3. Nintendo and the indies have shown their hand but the 3rd party support is being held back? I don't think so!
And as regards analysts there's as many skeptical as they are confident. I posted in the forums earlier an analyst in a Reuters report today citing the same problems that haven't been addressed. Lack of 3rd party support, deficient online and weak hardware.
Numbers mean nothing, games are everything. Call of Duty sells tens of millions every year, yet everyone on the internet, and in person claims to hate it. They need to bring it big in the next year for quality games or we're going to see a repeat of the wiiu.
The Switch is doing good so far, it's beating a lot of expectations including my own. It's nice to see the 3DS still somehow doing well despite it's age.
I'm glad to hear that there's still unannounced games, that should help things along nicely.
3DS needs to die asap! C'mon Nintendooo, we want Pokémon Switch!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE The Wii U is dead. It's a shame, but that's just how it is.
@Tulio517 Nooooo, I still love my 3DS
I love the argument that Switch is only selling well because of Zelda.
Because of course it is. That's the whole point of buying a new console, isn't it? Great games? What do you buy a GAMES console for if not for GAMES hype? I wonder if when the Switch is selling through the roof this holiday season, people will be saying it's only because of Skyrim hype, and Xenoblade hype, and Mario Odyssey hype.
If the Switch Mini rumors turn out to be true, maybe Nintendo will slowly phase out the 3DS in 2018, and then bring out the Switch Mini as the new dedicated handheld in 2019. I certainly hope so, anyway. Releasing a new variation of the DS, or any non-Switch handheld, could really hurt the Switch.
I'd like to see the animal crossing mobile game, assuming it isn't trash. Wonder where that one went...
Once people see and play mk8 deluxe out and about, it's going to sell like mad! Same for Pokemon and Mario!
@crimsontadpoles but imagine Pokémon with Botw graphics and vastly improved gameplay! The 3DS is soooo limiting!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE wrong,my old man has bought one he's 57 and my team manager has bought one for MK8 on the go, both non gamers,so it would seem the casuals are in to.
@Tulio517 Oh sorry, I completely missed the mention of Pokemon in your comment. I've had a long day.
A Pokemon game that utilises the Switch graphics and capabilities would be brilliant.
@Tulio517 What I wouldn't give for the Pokemon Stars rumors to be true!
@timson72 Well that's great but that's not my experience. Nintendo are irrelevant here, and becoming even more so with each passing generation. Handheld, alright some people still care. Mainly parents buying them for their kids. Maybe with this massive boost in power, older people might care about this handheld. I'm like the last dinosaur amongst all my friends and family that care about Nintendo.
The continuing support of the 3DS is not hurting the Switch because they are both catering to different markets right now. The game market is NOT one big homogenous group of gamers who all have the same priorities. There are, in fact, several different market segments and as a machine moves through its lifecycle it becomes less appealing to some gamers and more appealing to others.
Once upon a time the 3DS was a shiny new thing and it appealed very much to people who like being on the bleeding edge of the market. Those people wanted to experience games that were not possible on their older systems and they were not put off by the high price tag at launch or the relatively thin library. Being in at the beginning was their priority. That market segment has since lost interest in the 3DS because its old and they have mostly moved on the Switch (its the new shiny thing).
The 3DS is now very appealing to niche gamers and budget conscious gamers and those who do not mind being behind the curve. Their priority is to either get systems and games as cheaply as possible or to focus on the kind of niche games that are plentiful at the end of a system's life such as JRPGs (and there are LOTS of those on 3DS right now).
The story does not end here though ...
Once the 3DS is officially discontinued it will start to become appealing to retro gamers and full-set collectors and others who are more interested in video game history than they are in games that are new and hot. Right now many of those people do not even care about the 3DS because it is still too new and there is no real challenge in collecting for it when they can walk into any store and buy the games. They want to have to hunt for them.
@MarioPhD @crimsontadpoles I know, right?! It needs to happen!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I think you just might be projecting your own personal preferences on everyone, which is a bit of a mistake in my opinion.
Also, it's important to remember that even at its peak, gaming was incredibly niche, a hobby that less than 1% of the human population partook in. The Xbox One and PS4 face the same problem that the hardcore pool is shrinking fast. It's not just Nintendo's problem
Amiibo's have always been Nintendo's big sellers on my book. The fact that it's official merch that is easy to find makes it worthwhile. For mobile, I hope more mobile appropriate games (like Dr Mario and that upcoming Animal Crossing mobile game) come sooner rather than later. Glad the Switch is gaining success.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE would it matter if Nintendo became irrelevant in Ireland if it tripled it us sales and doubled its Japanese sales?
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Literally no one believes a "tidal wave" of 3rd party support will hit the Switch.
"It's an interesting comparison for Switch - so far it's thankfully on the road to far greater success than the Wii U, yet the hybrid is tracking well below the 3DS. Is that 'good'?"
Not sure I buy into how important units sold is for Nintendo right now. Switch and 3DS launched at different price points and likely have different profit margins on system sales. Not to mention that Switch is poised to bring in more cash through accessory and software sales. Units sold =/= money made. Too early to tell if they can maintain the success, but I think signs are positive right now.
Edit: Of course units sold are important, but my point is that they're not the only factor in determining whether or not Switch can reasonably substitute for both Nintendo's console and handheld offerings as the article seems to imply.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE you sound still very bitter that to switch is a handheld and not the PS4 beating Console that certain people predicted it would be.
Get over it dude..
3ds rules but switch is more comfortable to play.
@Sean161 "I reckon there is nothing we do t know about already in development. EXPECT NO SUPRISES AT E3"
I could be wrong, but it seems to me Ntinedo always has something new at E3, even the past few years when it seemed like they were barely at E3. So I 100% expect a new Switch game we dont' know about yet for the holidays. Something mid-tier like a Paper Mario or Captain Toad or Luigi's Mansion or sports game. They've already talked about Pikmin 4 being nearly complete, but I'd still count it as a new game announcement if it did show up at E3 as we haven't actually seen it yet. Though I'm still not convinced it isn't Hey Pikmin on 3DS. Fingers crossed though. But Wii U hardly had anything the past year, so there must be a game or 3 shifted to Switch. And SSB could get ported. Not a new game, but they haven't officially stated SSB for Switch yet. So I'm betting on something we haven't "seen" before at E3 for Switch this holiday.
As for the projected 3DS sales. They've been milking AC a bit - AC:NL, HHD, NL w/ amiibo support, that almost a game AC:aF - so I wouldn't be surprised to see another AC spin-off type game this holiday. I think an entirely new game would be on Switch, but HHD2 or something similar could happen. I think they're making 500 AC amiibo cards, they need a new game for them.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE When you say irrelevant here, do you mean the country as a whole or you, yourself and your imaginary friend?
I know where I work,, everyone is well aware of Nintendo and the Switch and are eager to buy one. And they are not what you call hardcore gamers by any means. Even my own brother who hates Nintendo is impressed and is interested.
I hope for the day you stop moaning and actually be positive. But alas you and one or two others on here are so negative and hatred I wonder why you even turn up here.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Hey, we are all waiting for this tidal wave of third party support. If it is coming, then it a reasonable assumption it will be prominent at E3. If it isn't then it will become abundantly clear that the Switch is a Nintendo / Nindie machine. Is that bad? No...but a quid will get ya five that Sony will smell an opportunity. This play anywhere concept is really making people want ALL the games on Switch (old ones remastered preferably for me!) Nintendo are showing it prints money, so all the games will appear on this concept, Nintendo can't let Sony get a look in...because they will try their best to.
Nintendo knows that right now they have momentum but they can only keep it going if they have lots of great games to entice people with. Reggie has gone on record to say that Nintendo is planning a big E3 this year. To me that means that there will be multiple surprise reveals. I understand people want to keep their expectations in check to avoid being disappointed. However, I think that E3 this year will actually be very good for fans of Nintendo.
@DiddlyDoneDead It's coming - expect announcement any time soon. .
As long as the 3DS makes money, they should support it. Anyone of us here would in that position. It just leaves a sour taste in the mouth because there is a chance the next Pokémon, Monster Hunter or Animal Crossing could come out on the 'wrong' console lol.
On the one hand The Switch overtaking WiiU's absolutely disgusting overall hardware sales be an "achievement" isn't actually an achievement if you wanna be that guy. On the other hand having the Switch to break or get close to WiiU overall hardware sales at the end of the year is insane. And the amount of games to be seeing till the year looking to be promising as well. Who remembers waiting 8 or something months to only buy Pikmin 3 after launch! No-one wants to only buy Pikmin 3 after waiting 8 or something months. Not to insult those who actually love the game.
There's still work to be done to be sure. At least to me, the Switch has a pretty bright future ahead.
I still can't believe the 3ds is still getting support considering the age.... Though As a 3ds owner, this isn't much of a problem.
I await E3.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE bro I love my Wii U and still have a large catalogue of games that I already own that I need to get down on and was a huge supporter and advocate for it amongst anyone I knew, but, let's face it. It's no king. It's the scrub of last gen, it's Ninty's biggest home console failure and if it wasn't for the Virtual Boy it would be dead last in hardware sales for the company.
What I don't understand is that it sounds like u would be upset if the Switch becomes a success. Which clearly I have no doubt that it will far surpass Wii U sales within its first year and half. If something is that great it doesn't matter how bad your marketing or message for the product may be. It's going to sell just due to word of mouth and exposure. Unfortunately while the Wii U had the best games of the past generation IMO and the most amount of highest rated games of any system as well, it's concept was already aging by the time of release. A non capacitive touch screen, fisher price gamepad look, terribly slow OS and steep price tag for what was on offer compared to its competitors made sure of its lack of mass appeal. Hands down the system was not good. Only the games were.
I guess what I'm saying is I love My Wii U but I know it's place amongst the pantheon of video game history and I not only think the Switch will far and away be Nintendo's next big hit but I hope and pray that they do very well, as Nintendo is a form of entertainment in my life that I love and last thing I want to see is Ninty for 3rd party.
It sounds to me like u just wanted Ninty to continue supporting the Wii U when clearly it was no longer profitable and was a failure not just for them but to the public as well. My question to u is what would you have liked to see from Ninty to appease you? And would it make u happy of the Switch fails because from your tone it sounds like you look forward to it. Again continuing to support Wii U would have been financial suicide and being a third option in the graphics over gameplay arena of Sony/Microsoft certainly doesn't make things any better for them either.
In this day and age I'm a firm believer that you need 2 consoles either a PS4 or Xbox and a Nintendo console for what Nintendo does. Make the best games period. No one console can do it all unfortunately.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE "long live the WiiU" You're just saying that because you don't wanna change that WiiU avatar. I'm right, am I?
I think Amiibo would do better if it were actually possible to buy any of the damn things. All of the Zelda BotW ones look really cool but I've never seen them in stock anywhere, in shops or online.
@MaSSiVeRiCaN If only all Gamers thought like you.
@MaSSiVeRiCaN Nintendo could do it all but they don't even try. They're too conservative. They didn't even try with the Wii U, effectively gave up on it after a couple of years. The Switch to me is a bit of a repackaged, retooled Wii U, selling me the same games so far while now charging me for their antiquated online. Expensive accessories, no VC, no browser, no apps. Very little 3rd party support, there's a lot to be annoyed about. I supported the Wii U and bought all their games. My Wii U collection, not being smart, is bigger than most members of this site. I give indies a bit of a ribbing but I own all the top indie Wii U games, in some cases both digitally and physically. I really should take a photo some day.
I carry my 3ds in my switch case for a change of pace every now and then.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Don't forget to say "fuzzy pickles."
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I agree they probably could do it all. Understand that VC and Netflix is most definitely coming but doesn't take away from your point that at launch it's bare bones, as I see it as a bare bones system as well with a lot of potential. I'm on the same boat as u and have over 500 GB of Wii U games digitally as well as a few physical. That's quite a feat considering the size of Wii U games lol. Unfortunately I don't think there was much that could be done to save the Wii U. The problem was the concept by the time of release and the quality of the screen of the gamepad just wasn't up to par amongst other issues.
I'm so happy the Switch is blazing fast and I for one hope they don't sacrifice the speed it has to bloat it with a bunch of aesthetical features. I rather keep it fast to launch apps and games. Btw You should take a pic of your collection I'm sure it's impressive. To hit up some of your other points it's kinda silly to think we can have online services without a fee nowadays and it's the right move if we hope to have a proper online experience, plus that's it's half the price of the competitors is a big bonus. They just need to deliver on the goods. As far as 3rd parties go I'm not concerned, I play on my PS4 for that and if the Switch sells believe me they'll come. Look at all those poopy ports 3rd parties brought to the Wii. Honestly unless it has something very unique and appealing to bring to the Switch anyway I don't see why it's a big deal I rather play on other consoles anyway where it plays and looks the best cuz those games are usually ported over from PC specs anyway why try play the game in its most d/graded form possible? Unless of course the whole portable aspect of the game is really enticing.
The only thing that really kisses me off about Nintendo is their cheap ass stance on not paying a fee to have analog triggers on their controler devices. I mean wtf Ninty come on?
@rjejr I will barf if there is another AC spin off game. ugh. I just want a shiny new AC on the Switch, or even the 3DS.
We need FIFA
@SLIGEACH_EIRE wait you honestly think Nintendo should have kept trying to save the Wii U even when it was pretty damn clear there was not a chance they could make that machine a success. That's like saying MS should have kept the Surface RT going even though the public decided it was trash and were never gonna buy it.
Great read Thomas, thank you. I hope you don't mind if I pick up on your point about amiibo. I've had this theory for a while that it's a product mainly tied to the Wii U/3DS generation that was greenlit as both an alternative source of income as well as an attempt from Nintendo to capitalize on the Toys to Life Market. You 're right that they've announced more, but even these are mainly for 3DS games. We have the two FE ones coming out in May (3DS), the 3 Links in June (Switch/Wii U), Bayonetta-Cloud-Corrin in July (Wii U/3DS and inevitably I think Switch), the 3 Splatoon reposes (Switch) and Pikmin (3DS) in July as well.
So except for the Splatoon ones, the others are mainly for 3DS/Wii U games, but also obviously functional in some Switch games. My theory is that Amiibo won't be discontinued, but they won't be producing as many as they used to (if at all for some of the older figures), and compatibility will be mainly for games that previously had it (as in Splatoon). Retail wise in the UK, most GAME stores have exhausted their stock, and Smyths did a clearance sale a while ago too. The only places that seem to have enough stock of mainly the older waves are Toys R Us and Tesco Direct. If the Switch sells well, I think stock will be limited from now on (as proven by the fact that BOTW amiibo are as rare as unicorns). If it doesn't, they can always bring them back.
@UK-Nintendo I would rather have Sega Soccer Slam 2017
@kobashi100 Kept trying? They never tried.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE My family seem to be the opposite with a new resurgence for love of nintendo,for the first time since the wii days.
The people in my extended family who are into gaming have either gone for xb1 or ps4. I don't think they will get another console. I didn't get a wii u and I am unsure about whether to get a switch eventually. It is really this thing about having lots of games. If it has lots of games I'll be tempted but I'd like, for example, a realistic driving game which Ninty never make. So yes it has things to prove.
I know people will hate me for this, but I sincerely hope that Nintendo is done making new 3DS games (yes I'm ok with them finishing ones that are almost done). Put all resources toward making Switch games. Then we can finally have a Nintendo console that doesn't have these droughts plus I won't have to feel like I need to buy 2 separate Nintendo systems just to play all their games.
If $300 is too much for some to buy a switch then produce a Nintendo Mini that plays all the Switch games, but have the controllers built in (removing the rails and buttons and stuff will reduce the cost), smaller screen (cheaper), don't include a TV dock (again cheaper) and release that system for $200-$250 (I don't know exactly how much that all saves you but I would think it's at least $50).
Then if they are selling Nintendo Switch for $300 and Nintendo Mini for ~$225 they sell to a wider market/audience and can consequently sell more copies of each of those games plus convince a few more 3rd parties to join in on the fun.
Finally, correct some people won't leave their 2DS/3DS yet so make some money off of them by DRAMATICALLY increasing the number of $20 Nintendo Selects choices. Put FE:Awakening, FE:Fates, Mario 3D Land, Link Between Worlds, Majora's Mask, MK7 , Planet Robobot, Smash 3DS, Pokemon X/Y, OmegaRuby, Bravely Default, Bravely Second, NSMB 2, Kid Icarus, Xenoblade Chronicles 3D, DKCR 3D, M&L Dream Team, Paper Jam Bros, Tri-Force Heroes, Federation Force, and Yo-Kai Watch.
If they put all those games at $20 that's an incredibly impressive list of awesome games. They'd make a killing while putting all dev resources towards the new platform.
@Captain_Gonru and.... you completely lost me. That's just way too much math. And I don't think they count the cards at all. Well they count them, but they don't announce the counting.
Shows started up again this week in case you forgot. Did I tell you I'm going to a $100 per plate dinner in the producers honor this weekend ? Best part, he invited us so we're free. And thanks again for Brockmire.
@itslukec I think Switch will get a shiny new AC game they probably started on Wii U, but 3DS will get something for the amiibo cards. Those types of games just seem cheap to make and easy to sell. I'd certainly make a HHD2 if I were them, easy money. I'd never want it, buy it or play it, but I'd make it.
Not read everyone's comment yet (sorry), but what about the subscription service being brought in for the Switch? That's also a new source of revenue that Nintendo haven't experimented with before. Tied in with the mobile stuff, and that's two steady streams of income that don't rely directly on physical sales. Smart.
Very nice to see 3ds will be supported for a few years more, it deserves it after carrying Ninty forward when the wii u was dragging them backwards. Time to give the little fellow a pat on the back
@Fred13 Your 3DS selects list is great, and I really hope they expand the range, it's been too long since they added any games to it. Fingers crossed they do it as a last hurrah for some Wii U games as well.
"early snippets from journalists on the ground in Japan suggest it won't pull up any trees." - huh? Does this mean its not mind-blowing? I don't get this metaphor
until its clear to a general audience that the Switch is replacing the 3DS, I imagine a lot of the (even core) Nintendo portable audience won't move on. The 3DS needs to be clearly on the way out and marketing needs to clearly relay that. Nintendo's home console audience isn't large, but their portable audience is. Especially with Vita nearly dead, even in Japan, it should be able to easily draw in the 3DS and Vita crowds who want portable gaming that doesn't consist of crappy phone games
It seems like the writer is only considering the western markets, but keep in mind that the Japanese have a fair share of promising JRPGs coming their way which will make a mark on the sales charts, with Dragon Quest XI in the lead. Pretty sure Japan will help significantly in reaching those projected 40 million sold games with everything coming out from Nintendo, Square Enix and Atlus.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE ....meanwhile on Amazon, the latest batch of Switches sells out in under 20 minutes.....
That's a phrase that can not be said of WiiU at any point in its life. After the preorders shipped out, sales just kind of stopped and shelves were seldom empty.
I do agree with you that the 3rd party wave (in terms of western AAA 3rd party) isn't going to happen, never was going to happen, and was never in Nintendo's plans or estimates to happen. People are deluding themselves with that. But it's not a failure but a part of the design. WiiU didn't fail because it lacked the same games XBox had. It failed because what it had to offer wasn't desirable to consumers. At least not until far too late in its life cycle to save it.
But hey, you think you got burned with WiiU? I bought a freaking Virtual Boy! They sold it for like 8 months and it got 7 games or so.
@Mando44646 All true, though I think in Japan, Switch has already consumed most of Vita's base, and is well into consuming 3DS. The weekly sales charts show Switch clearly at the top for now.
I think Nintendo's overall strategy with the 3DS is to keep it plugging along as a second platform as long as they can milk it, and let Switch take over their old WiiU market. Once that's mostly done, they can release their "Switch Mini" and fully replace 3DS once they have two unique hardware SKUs on shelves.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE stop justifying that you haven't bought a switch yet. we got it (weeks and weeks ago).
@crimsontadpoles "Nooooo, I still love my 3DS"
And yet no one is stopping you from playing with your 3DS if a new handheld is announced.
@Cinaclov +1 yeah lets make 3 million games and a thousand of the amiibo
I really wish they'd port FE:Echoes to Switch. I've heard it's really good, but since buying the Switch I have no desire to touch my 3DS
@Fred13 That has resonance. Many thought Nintendo would double down on NX and be able to increase game output because they only had one system to develop for.
@Mando44646 "not pulling up any trees" - yeah, your instincts are right. It means they are not outperforming expectations. Classic business metaphor. Seems odd, as I don't think Nintendo has looked this healthy in years.
@NEStalgia @SLIGEACH_EIRE have to agree about third parties. I am hoping for surprises at E3, and I do think the Tegra tech makes the 3rd parties look lazier for non-support. I feel like Switch would really have to blow projections out of the water before it will get those companies' attention, which is unfortunate. We'll just have to see.
Other than that, glad to see the launch go well and hope Switch keeps it's momentum. If things stay on schedule there is going to be a heck of a games lineup by the holidays.
Hope 3ds and Switch stay alive and continue to do well!
@Cinaclov it is not just the new figures, but ALL Zelda series Amiibo are out of stock everywhere except Ganon.
I really am annoyed with Nintendo over that. Putting exclusive content behind the paywall of Amiibo is fine by me. But not having enough Amiibo to meet demand means I have no way of actually accessing that content, because it is only accessible through Amiibo that are not available etc. It really, REALLY sucks.
I want Epona and the Ocarina of Time outfit and the shield. That's all I want! And I shouldn't have to pay £30 for a used Amiibo or £100 (as I have seen on EBay) just to access a single item.
Nintendo are my favourite gaming company, I truly love them. And BotW is one of my all time favourite games. Yet, they have reduced my enjoyment of this amazing game because of stock issues, which they seem to fall down on all the time.
They also refuse to say when or if more stock will arrive. It may seem petty on my part to complain so much or to be this outraged, but I really do feel let down and there is nothing I can do about it.
Great, I'm actually emotionally scarred by frickin' Amiibo!
@Kienda yep I have Ganon billy no mates on my desk. I want all 4 of the BOW Amiibo & guessing im not only one. Just think of the bloody money they are missing out on, & ffffffffffff someone on ebay that manged to get 50
@Fred13 I actually agree with you, and I'm a huge fan of the 3DS. My 3DS collection is great, and I still have a backlog on it, but at this point the 3DS is competing with the Switch. I think it's time to start sundowning the 3DS - it would be cool to keep seeing a few games for it, but it definitely should not be a major focus.
The 3DS is not in the same position as the Switch. It's actually good as an affordable gaming device. The Switch costs more, has expensive controllers and accessories, higher priced games, and a paid online service. They're just not targeting the same audience at this time.
@Fred13 Federation Force isn't worth it at any price
More virtual console releases would be awesome. StarTropics 1&2, Castlevania Legends, Ninja Gaiden Shadow or even the tg16 VC the WiiU got will finally come to the states since Japan already has tg16 VC for 3ds.
Do you all really think ninty dosn't have enough money to hire workers to make games for NS and 3ds? Smh.
@Paddle1 It most certainly is. Every gaming device is competing with the Switch, no matter what price point. This is a basic principle of business. Consumers do not have infinite amounts of cash. If John spends $40 on a 3DS game for Sally's Christmas present, he has $40 less to spend on Switch games.
Many fans fail to understand this, and they get angry when Nintendo retires an older system that is cannibalizing the new system's sales. Nintendo, however, understand it very well, which is why they keep doing it.
@TeslaChippie you keep saying games, as in plural, but only reference a single game. Zelda.
I wonder if Nintendo counts sales of refurbished systems in its total numbers. I'm thinking about getting a 2DS system from their website when I raise a little more money.
@GameOtaku Do you really have to be like that? Just because it's not a standard Metroid game doesn't mean it's not a decent game. I've heard it's not fun alone and I didn't think it would be worth $80 (a copy for me and a copy for my wife), but if they dropped it to $20 plus my Best Buy discount I could get 2 copies for $32. At that point I'd buy 2 copies and my wife and I would have a great time.
@timson72 two people you personally know bought it, and so that applies everywhere?
@Paddle1 @JasmineDragon Those of us that do have enough cash to buy every game and system we want don't have enough time to play them all so even outside of the money they're all competing for my time too. I own 3 3DS systems and tons of games that I was enjoying (like I never finished FE:Fates even though I was having fun with it) and I haven't touched them since March 3rd because the Switch won me over.
@Fred13
Yes, it was a bad idea all round. Metroid games are meant to be single player experiences of if isn't balanced for it then what's the point. They need to feign ignorance with this title for future Metroids less it taint the timeline.
I for one am ready to let the 3DS go. I've had an amazing time with it but after playing the Switch in portable mode, the 3DS's miserably low-res display and pressure-sensitive touch screen are so sad by comparison. When watching the poor old thing sputter and slow down trying to render double battles in Pokémon Sun and Moon it becomes clear that the 3DS is ancient tech at this point. This was all fine and good when the 3DS was my only option for portable Nintendo games, but now we have a significantly more powerful and beautiful device to play them on. There are 3DS games coming out this year that I'm definitely looking forward to, but I'd much rather see games like Ever Oasis and even Hey, Pikmin rendered on the Switch's gorgeous screen in 720p instead of looking like sand art on the 3DS. I'm also looking forward to buying games for one Nintendo device instead of dividing the library between a handheld and a home console.
We get it, NL, you love 3DS. No, Nintendo isn't predicting Switch to have 3DS-like sales in its first year, but they're not comparable. Much like @rjejr said, it's its own category and doesn't directly compare to handhelds or home consoles and never will. Kimishima's comments make me think the 3DS won't have a successor, and there probably won't be a handheld device from Nintendo after it. The sooner the Switch replaces 3DS, the better.
@gatorboi352 2 people who are not "fanboys" and/or gamers,when did I say that applies everywhere?
Miitopia...!
Come to me... !
@FragRed Just hover over his post and click ignore. Trust me the comment section is so much better when you have him blocked. His posts are always negative and can be very rude. Just best to block him and never have to worry about it.
@GrailUK maybe double releases could make sense : 3ds bit cheaper Switch bit more spenny but upscaled graphics and "anywhere"'play style.
@RedMageLanakyn "Numbers mean nothing". What on earth? This is a 'talking point' specifically about Nintendo's recently released sales figures. Numbers mean everything! Numbers are entirely the point!
Would you still be saying that if Switch passed 100 million units in sales (not saying it will)?
Games are obviously important, but the two facets work together. Good games begets good hardware sales. Good hardware sales begets stronger third party support. Stronger third party support begets good games. And so the cycle continues.
It's a fairly simple relationship, and while it's not an exact science, due to numerous other factors playing a role, it's largely true. The game industry, like all industries, is profit-driven. Companies will go where the consumer base (and thus profit) is.
Third parties will, of course, need time to react to positive sales numbers, but that doesn't make the numbers worthless if we don't begin seeing announcements left right and centre.
I'm loathe to give up stereoscopic 3D yet and was actually marvelling at the graphics on Ocarina of Time last weekend. (Yeah, I'm past the age of caring about cutting edge graphics).
As long as I don't see a Switch screen over the next 18 months I won't know what I'm missing. Then I'll pick one up when the library's more mature. In fact, I may actually snap up a New 3DS if they announce a price cut.
@JasmineDragon I didn't say they don't compete. I'm saying the 3DS reaches a (more frugal) market the Switch doesn't. Even the President of Nintendo has said this.
@Fred13 Yeah it can be hard to make time to get to everything at once, but if you really want to, you will eventually.
Pokemon Amiibo cards are a no brainer surely.
@manu0 Who are you to tell anybody what to to do? NOBODY!
@tjhiphop Right now, less than 2 months after launch, sales numbers mean nothing. The wiiu sold equally as well out the gate, and fell off dramatically due to a lack of games at the start and some very, very confusing and lackluster marketing.
If a year from today they're at 15 million, bravo, they steered the ship back in the right direction, and then it will be something to talk about. Right now it's a simple comparison to the WiiU's launch numbers, and doesn't tell us anything about what will happen in the next 12 months.
3DS IS NOT DEAD. RPG MAKER FES. One of my most anticipated games of the year still. Haha
@SLIGEACH_EIRE For how hardcore of a Ninty fan you seem to be, I find it strange how badly you want the Switch to fail. I love me some Wii U too but that doesn't detract from the amazing machine that is the Switch. They co-exist perfectly in my house.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE reported your comment. what you had written before your edit is unacceptable behaviour.
@manu0 Boo hoo! Nothing wrong at all with what I wrote. Please, I actually encourage you to tell people what I wrote.
@NEStalgia "I do agree with you that the 3rd party wave (in terms of western AAA 3rd party) isn't going to happen, never was going to happen, and was never in Nintendo's plans or estimates to happen. People are deluding themselves with that."
Thanks for saying that again. The game of expecting 3rd parties to happen is getting tiresome. Just look to Nintendo's past for clues. For Ninty it'd be icing on the cake but like you said it isnt factored into their gameplan. The PS1 generation changed everything and id venture to say we wont be going back. Nintendo and "Nindies" is enough, we'll see if the market continues to agree.
Dammit. I kind of wanted the 3DS to die. I was never a big fan, and I want their efforts to go towards the Switch,
As someone who is still enjoying his 3DS I don't have a problem with Nintendo churning out a new game for it every now and then but without a doubt the core focus of their development studios should be the Switch. The 3DS is already down in the history books as a success and if Nintendo wants to write the same story for the Switch they need to keep putting their big hitters on it. They seem to be doing a fair job of doing both right now to be honest though, and we can't expect them to drop every bit of support for a system that is still performing relatively well sales wise.
I still personally love playing my 3ds and I'm in no rush to see the system be retired. I get very tired of Nintendo immediately killing off the previous system the moment the next one gets announced. The DS felt like on of the exceptions where we were still getting high-quality titles even after the 3DS launched. With that said, I'm aware that the system is fairly old and has to come to an end at some point, I just want to at least a few 3ds titles from Nintendo that reach into 2018.
The other thing I wanted to mention is how truly disappointing the wii u was.
"Estimated Switch lifetime sales up to 31st March 2018 - 12.74 million
Final Wii U sales, system now discontinued (released November 2012) - 13.56 million
After 13 months on the market, in other words, the Switch could be close to overtaking the Wii U's lifetime sales across its four years+ on sale."
That's pretty pathetic for the Wii U and really shows the lack of focus and effort of Nintendo's part on trying to sell the system. I've been saying this for years but the Wii U will be remembered more akin to the Sega Saturn than the Dreamcast, a system some people love but most people forgot about and ignored. I'm glad the Switch is doing well and I hope it means that we'll be getting more and better games than what we got on the Wii U
@gatorboi352 I have Zelda, Shovel Knight, Fast RMX and Puyo Puyo Tetris, and I'm getting Mario Kart tomorrow. I bet the Switch will sell well along with Mario Kart, but we all know that's only cause of Mario Kart hype. It'll probably sell well when Splatoon 2 comes out as well, but you know that'll probably just be because of Splatoon hype. And don't get me started about the holiday hype. Man, I bet the Switch sells well during the holidays but it's just gonna be because of the hype.
Pokemon actually being programmed competently enough to take advantage of any kind of modern hardware? Keep dreaming, fellas.
The New 2DS XL was just announced,
I initially thought Nintendo's forecast of 6 million 3DSs sold during this fiscal year was a bit too high. Not anymore.
I hope that Nintendo slowly phases out the 3DS. Getting both their console and handheld development teams on one system would mean twice the games, as well as all of Nintendo's franchises on one console.
I feel that 12.7 sales is a reasonable target. I think that they'll easily be able to reach it.
@rjejr They count the cards, they have said they sold 9.1 million figures and 9.3 million cards for last fiscal year. The question is, was that 9.3 million individual cards or 9.3 million packs of cards? It's enough to make your head spin. I think if they start doing Pokemon cards instead of just Animal Crossing it wouldn't be under 10 million though.
I agree with you, there are going to be some interesting things at E3, even if some of them are just stuff we already suspect. SSB Switch would be enough to put a million extra consoles under Christmas trees easy.
@Sean161
You don't think anything new will be shown at E3? How much do you want to bet? Actual money to a charity of the winners choice.
@Sean161
If you've watched every Nintendo E3 for years you'd k ow there's always something new, whether it be a press conference or a Digital broadcast.
Nintendo have an incredibly hit-and-miss success rate at E3. For every 1994, 1998, 2002 and 2014 there's a 2003, 2012, 2015 and (shudder) 2008. They always have something new though. Even if all we get is a Smash port it'll still be a new announcement.
@Mario_Fart OOT remake on the 3DS was amazing!! Fantastic effort by Nintendo on that one.
@thesilverbrick
I got my New' XL out last night to have a blast on and had the same feeling, after playing the Switch for the last couple of months it's so hard to go back to the 3DS. Time to invest all my time and money into the Switch moving forward and just hope that all the devs have the same idea.
Nintendo has increased dividends to their shareholders which will keep that wheel turning for them and they will keep doing exactly what they want to achieve it. Thev'e never done much to please the gamers end of their business otherwise we would have a Metroid game, F Zero, Gamecube VC, paid for Cod, battlefield etc. to come to Nintendo systems, Mother, Advance Wars (that's my one) and lots more.
So I'm more than happy burying my head in the sand and enjoy what we do get, as it always has been. Oh and I'll buy that new 2ds thing and might even leave it in the box just like ambassador one, and just play the normal one. Sucker?!?
@cfgk24 I sure hope so!
@Mando44646
I am not on board with the Switch yet...I'm hopeful and waiting it out (it's way too expensive with far too few games). You're right, continuing support for my 3DS is making the waiting a lot easier. I think it's a poor decision.
@IronMan28 "Kimishima's comments don't make me think 3DS won't have a successor,"
Does New 2DS XL count?
@TheLobster "Pokemon cards"
I'm still trying to figure out how Link has 10 different amiibo all by himself, for a toy line that was marketed as "1 toy, many games" when Pokemon in total only have 9. When they start making NFC enabled Pokemon cards, and they will, it's inevitable, they are going to sell boatloads. My kids dont' collect them like they used to but I'm pretty sure they each have over 1,000. Only about 2 amiibo each though. Not sure of their position on Pokemon toy amiibo, probably depends on their in game usage. They'd buy a lot for a Skylanders like game, not too many for Pokemon Rumble, we only have 1 from Rumble U and it was free w/ the game.
I'd be fine w/ no mention of amiibo at E3 unless it's a Pokemon tidal wave - toys, cards and a great game to go along with them. Not Pokemon: amiibo Festival.
@Sean161 Nintnedo hasn't had a live presentation at E3 in years, yet there are ALWAYS surprises. Last year I believe was the first time we saw that Oasis game on 3DS. Year before that we got Skylanders amiibo of DK and Bowser. Maybe that was 2 years ago. Something.
@rjejr It'll be several years, or at least two anyway, before Nintendo drops amiibo from E3 I suspect.
@rjejr We both know it doesn't.
Also, I meant "3DS won't have a successor." Which I'm sure you realized, based on your reply.
Why do we continue to add a nostalgia hit about the WU in such articles? If was a poor system and FORTUNATELY it's dead. The Wii U is dead, long live the Switch!
@IronMan28 I did have to read it a couple of times, those double negatives can be tricky, but I think I figured out what you meant rather than what you typed.
I'm hoping the Switch Pocket is the 3DS successor myself.
@TheLobster Well they've already announced more Link and finally Cloud, Corrin and Bayonetta, how many more do they need besides Pokemon? I'd certainly like to see more Wolf Link and Gaurdian amiibo on store sehlves for the peopel who dont' have the gaem yet c/ they don't have a Switch yet, but enough w/ the new ones until they get the stock issues sorted out.
Oh, I'll allow the 6 awesome MH Stories to get a western release date, we're getting the game but no word on those maiibo yet.
@rjejr Given the doubles on the new Smash amiibos, I'd wager they're holding back a new Smash for E3 and aaaallllll the Smash line is going to get second poses. Sh..shut up and take my money? Ugh. I guess it will be a way to restock them without restocking them, per se.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Mario Kart 8 Dx is the biggest selling video game in 2017 on Amazon.com.
Switch user Base is only a fraction of Ps4 and Xbone. Something good must be going on here do you think?
@TheLobster "aaaallllll the Smash line is going to get second poses"
Even Wii Fit Trainer? That's the only 1 I feel like was really really scarce and never came back. Never thought of them doubling up on all of them, Link already has 10, Mario and his lot have a few, but I wouldn't put it past Nintendo. Still think they'd make more money w/ Pokemon though, at least the starters. That 20th year logo was just begging for a matching amiibo line, can't waiting for it to happen but it somehow never did.
@rjejr True, they missed the opportunity with the 20th anniversary, so they may not do doubles on the old figures. But why do doubles on some and not others?
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