Yesterday we posted some news from Japanese magazine CoroCoro which not only confirmed the existence of Alolan Grimer in Pokémon Sun And Moon but also hinted at details relating to Jangmo-o and Type: Null's evolutions.
Scans of these evolutions have now appeared online. Jangmo-o's evolutions are Jarango & Jararanga and Type: Null's is called Silvadi.
According to Serebii:
When Type: Null finds a trainer it trusts, it destroys its helmet and evolves into Silvadi. There is a special hold item called Memory that lets it be one of all 18 types at any one time thanks to its ability, AR System. It's not currently known if it's one item that can change this, or if there are 18 different ones. The type change is reflected in its eyes, mane and tail which glow the colour representing the type. It has a new attack called Multi Attack which changes type based on its hold item.
If you haven't done so already then be sure to check out our hands-on impressions of Pokémon Sun And Moon here.
[source serebii.net]
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This is shaping up well, I like almost everything I have seen so far!
I'd question whether Silvadi should actually be classed as an evolution... seeing as it simply removes it's helmet, surely it should only be classed as a form change.
Basically that would make Type: Null as we know it currently into Silvadi (Type: Null), and once it removes the helmet it would be Silvadi (Type: Normal, Fire, etc.).
The regional pseudo-legendary dragon doesn't look half bad.
As for the new evolution revealed, that's totally a wanna-be legendary!
@DragonEleven Remember Slowbro. Evolution has always been a weird concept.
Okay, Shiruvadi is definitely a failed Arceus clone. The long neck, the head shape, the mane, the abiity... it all comes together.
@MarcelRguez Slowbro isn't just a Slowpoke that has altered its form though... it's the fusion of two Pokémon into one, making it more comparable to something like Magneton than to this.
Yeee. Juraranga's the fighting Double Dragon we called. Yeyeye.
@crazedcavalier definitely. Failed argues clone. Jagmo evos aren't the best deisigns but type bull and silvadi are epic!!!!
@DragonEleven Still not a regular evolution, even by the series standard. I'm not saying Slowbro is the same as this, I'm saying anything can be considered an evolution.
@DragonEleven CoroCoro clearly wrote evolution. It is an evolution
The Dragon could be a bit better, but it is very good! Now Type:Null...man what a great evolution, probably will add to my team!
@Frank90 Definitely, it's weird that Jangmo-o's evolution went to bipedal back to quadrupedal, kinda like the line is doing push-ups. As for type: Null, I'm guessing either you gt given it by Gladion and later have it evolve to Silvadi, or you get one of your own and duke it out with his.
@MarcelRguez Evolution has only ever applied to when a Pokémon has changed substantially enough to no longer be classified as the same Pokémon... lesser changes are classed as form changes, with Mega Evolution sitting on the borderline of the two.
There has never been an evolution that has seen a change as minor as Type: Null/Silvadi... but there have been form changes that have seen very similar changes.
@DragonEleven Yeah! Exactly! When you look at first evolution stage you think "oh my it's gonna be a gray charizard or something awesome!" but the final stage is good, but not great as the first/second. It is the opposite of Haxorus evolution that start good and end in a awesome note!
And I agree, I doubt that will be two Type:Null, so I think that you will be the crap out of him and then he'll give you the Pokemon.
@DragonEleven Grimer and Muk come to mind as an example of "same thing, only bigger". I'd say that has even less differences, they don't lose anything in the transition. Porygon2 to Z as well, to name another one.
It would make more sense as a form change, I agree, but let's not pretend the concept of evolution is that well defined. Besides, we still don't know if they will mention this in the game itself.
@Serebii Just because it's referred to as evolution does not mean it should be considered in the same way as standard evolution... they have never said that a Pokémon cannot evolve into another form of the same Pokémon... only that evolution is irreversible, which appears to be the case with Silvadi.
@DragonEleven They used the exact same term for evolution as they have done every single Pokémon that has evolved. If it was a form change, they'd have said it's a form change. You can't evolve into a different form of the same Pokémon, that's a form change
I can tell you 100% that this is a new Pokémon that evolves from Type: Null. It is not a form change. It is an evolution
@Serebii I'm not saying that the change is not evolution, just that it may just evolve into a different form rather than a different Pokémon, and in that sense it would be more similar to a form change than a traditional evolution.
The difference is that form changes are reversible, while the Type: Null -> Silvadi change does not appear to be, so in that sense referring to it as evolution does make sense.
e.g.
Silvadi (Type: Null) -> Silvadi (Type: Normal, Fire, etc.) = evolution
Silvadi (Type: Normal) <-> Silvadi (Type: Fire, etc.) = form change
Too much information.
The new dragons look cool, it's about time we got a Dragon/Fighting type! Type: Null's evolution looks interesting and reminds me of Arceus since it can change types. As for Alolan Grimer, I'm calling it Honeypot Grimer from now on.
Is the Dragon Pokemon Fire/Dragon or Fighting/Dragon?
@DragonEleven That's not how it works. It's an entirely new Pokémon. If it was a form change, even if it was a permanent one way one, it'd be a form change.
It is 100% a new Pokémon. It has a new entry in the Pokédex. I really cannot understand why this is a point of contention.
@Seacliff Dragon Fighting
@Ed_Fairway
It's still bipedal. Jararanga just has very long forearms in relation to its legs. It's like druddigon, except more agile looking.
Jararanga is looking awesome!
Though, is it the pseudo-legendary for this gen or is it just like Flygon, Haxorus, and Noivern?
Dang it! I really wanted Jangmo-o to be steel dragon. Ugh, I guess fighting is alright.
@Serebii How do we know that that's how it works when it has never been done before? We have never seen an irreversible form change before, so how do we know that it wouldn't be classed as evolution?
We had a similar situation with the introduction of mega-evolution... it's referred to as being a type of evolution, but it doesn't correspond with any aspect of standard evolution... it's not permanent, and the mega-evolved Pokémon is still classed as being the same Pokémon, with the same Pokédex entry.
@DragonEleven This type of evolution has been done before. Look up Shelmet and its evolved form Accelgor.
@AVahne My mistake there
@sp_initiate-001 Shelmet doesn't just remove it's shell as it evolves, it changes at the same time... if you were to remove the shell of a Shelmet, you wouldn't get an Accelgor, you'd probably just get a dead Shelmet.
Not comparable.
When I saw Eevee I couldn't help but think a new eeveevolution. If only my dragon eevee could exist.
Very love the Dragon one and the type:null Pokémon. Happy for the 18th october demo too.
@DragonEleven Because they don't say it's anything different like they would if it was different. They'd make a point out of it.
What you have here is a zebra. You're trying to get an exotic thing out something just because you think it's different, despite all evidence pointing to the contrary. So when you hear clipclops, think horse, not zebra
@Serebii When they first showed MegaMewtwoY it was referred to as being a new Pokémon... because we didn't know about mega-evolution at the time everyone just jumped to the most obvious explanation they could think of, but everyone was wrong because it was something we hadn't seen before... and I think the same may be happening here.
I'm just pointing out that it's a possibility that shouldn't be overlooked.
@DragonEleven Mega Mewtwo Y is different. They were being purposefully mysterious. "What could this be?" "What is its relation with Mewtwo?" This time there's no such thing. It's abundantly clear it's an evolution. There's no mystery, no doubt.
@DragonEleven Stahp. Please stahp. It's an evolution, Gamefreak says its an evolution, so just go with it. Even if you can't wrap your head around it. Not everything has to conform to your personal logic.
@BlatantlyHeroic @Tulio517 To repeat myself again... I'm not saying it's not an evolution... I'm just saying that it may be different to what we'd typically expect an evolution to be... more like a form change than a traditional evolution, but still classed an evolution.
And if you don't think there isn't still something mysterious about 'Type: Null', then just look at it's name... has there ever been a Pokémon with a name like that? And why would a Pokémon with a name like that then have an evolution with a name like 'Silvadi'? It's mysterious.
'Silvadi' is the sort of name you'd expect a Pokémon to have... 'Type: Null' sounds more like a sub-classification, like you'd get with different forms.
@DragonEleven It's a science experiment Pokemon. That's the whole reason why it's called "Type: Null". Evolution in Pokemon was always about metamorphosis. The contraption on Type: Null's head is meant to keep it from destroying itself and everything around it. It's like a cocoon that contains its power before evolving. There is a physical and chemical change that happens when Type: Null evolves. It becomes stable, so it no longer needs the contraption on its head. What was inside the mechanism and what you see on the outside when it evolves were probably two different things.
Its feathers/fur also mature upon evolution. You can see that the pre-evolution has a grey coat, while the evolved form has a white coat, indicating that it has indeed matured. Evolution in Pokemon is maturing through metamorphosis That's pretty much what we see here.
@Serebii : What do the scans says about the Z-Ring?
@BlatantlyHeroic The name being unusual I was just using to point out that it is not like normal Pokémon, so we cannot assume that the same rules apply... but it doesn't make sense for it's name to change into something more normal when it evolves... it's evolved form should have a name equally unusual.
And it's helmet only suppresses it's power until it finds a trainer it can trust... implying that it knows how powerful it is and simply doesn't want to use that power, which would also mean it was likely created without helmet, as Silvadi... so there's no physical or chemical change when it evolves, only a release of pre-existing power, which is likely what the brightening of it's 'mane' represents.
It is worth remembering that there has never been any proper explanation of what constitutes evolution in any of the games... only vague outlines... everything else is just assumptions made from experience, but that does not mean it's correct, or that there isn't more to evolution that we don't know about yet.
@DragonEleven Don't be such a contrarian. They call it an evolution. It uses the same exact Japanese word.
The same rules apply because it's still a Pokemon. It's a chimera, yes, but that doesn't mean it isn't bound by the same rules. If it were an Ultra Beast I'd give you some leniency, but it isn't. It's a legit Pokemon.
"Null’s head is a piece of equipment designed to control its latent powers." Sounds like it can't control itself until evolving to me. In fact, it seems to imply that Type: Null need to find a trainer it can trust in order get itself under control and evolve. Not to mention that it actually has a separate name for its evolution. Form changes and Mega Evolutions don't get a full name change.
@BlatantlyHeroic AGAIN... I am NOT saying that it's not an evolution.
And what 'rules' are you referring to? They have never given a specific set of rules for evolution... almost everything we think we know is based purely on assumption... just because it hasn't been different before does not mean that it can't be..
And as I said... it breaks it's helmet itself... not as a result of the evolution, but to trigger it... the fact that it chooses when to do that must mean that it knows what it will become when it does, and the only way it would know that would be if it had already witnessed it, which would only be possible if it had taken that form before.
And the name thing was part of my very first comment... I don't think they've given the full names... I think Type: Null is really Silvadi (Type: Null), and it's evolution is Silvadi (Type: Normal, Fire, etc.)
@DragonEleven Then it would just be classified as a form change.
We'll see when more information comes out, but don't be surprised when this thing has a separate entry in the Pokedex as its own species.
Type: Null's evolution Silvadi gives me Digimon vibes.
Eh...still waiting for new Pokemons with Humanoid form, especially with Sporty looking. Sawk, I will gonna get you !
Come to Papa ! XD
@ShikabaneHime13 Nothing new really, just showcasing the Pikachu, Eevee and Normal Z Move sand reminding people of the merch
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