The pre-E3 silly season is early this year, and it's all Nintendo's fault. We know full well that this year, likely at E3 or potentially a little beforehand, the company will reveal its next generation of hardware. It's potentially a 'third pillar' of hardware but, in light of declining 3DS momentum and continually low Wii U numbers, it'll likely have the focus of a replacement for those systems. The hype is real, and we're desperate to see what it is.
Of course, the problem with anticipated releases is that rumours happen, and can trend almost as much as a celebrity's nude selfie. That happened in the past week with a fuzzy leaked controller image that we wrote off as likely fake, before we were then in a state of re-assessment when alternative images of a black unit emerged. Within a short time of publication our colleague Liam Robertson had shown us information that confirmed with 99% certainly it was another fake, and it was then revealed as such.
First of all, I want to reference some lessons learnt this week in the tricky world of fake-spotting. The second leak, the black controller, for a brief moment had me and others in the Nintendo Life team fearful it was the real deal (which I'll address a little later), but even after we then saw information to prove it was fake we were still unsure of what to make of it. The photos weren't manipulated and were of a high quality, so what was going on?
My first instinct, shared with some colleagues, was that it was either a rough and old Nintendo prototype, or possible a gadget entirely unrelated to Nintendo. There are so many companies in the Far East, for example, that produce cheap technology knock-offs that it could have been from one of those.
As the charmingly apologetic video for the latter's fake revealed, however, it was actually a primitive 3D printed model. A 3D printer, some attention to detail and spray-paint produced a rather convincing look that had the internet aflutter. Needless to say, we'll now be adding a '3D printed' setting to our BS-meter, but they're trickier to deconstruct than old fashioned fuzzy Photoshop jobs. The next few months are bound to be full of 'leaks' that will be hard to call.
Now, in terms of why the prospect of the 'controller' being real had me in a slight panic, that was largely due to the awful and un-ergonomic design. It was also, though, because the idea of Nintendo ditching physical inputs outwith sticks and shoulder wheels is concerning beyond words.
Some may call out the fact that I've written enthusiastically about the idea of NX having a portable iteration and also the free-form screen patent on which the fakes were based. Yet it's one thing to like a concept and another to want it to be the final product.
As the image above shows, Nintendo patents don't need to be eligible products, but rather formal ways to call dibs on cool ideas. I like the idea of free-form screen technology, motion aspects and even shoulder buttons that can function as a scroller. The key, though, is to avoid going so off-point with future technology that no-one will develop for the thing, which is why the idea of these controllers concerned me.
A concept like that doesn't - arguably, this is all opinion - successfully target anyone. A lot of dedicated gamers want physical inputs so they can play 'properly', and those that play a lot on phones and tablets are unlikely to want a similar touchscreen that's complicated by analogue sticks and other shenanigans. As a device the fake doesn't target a blue ocean of consumers, but splashes into a small pool of hardcore Nintendo enthusiasts. That's why patents are great for ideas, but not necessarily final products.
That's what makes the challenge with NX so intriguing. The Wii Remote looked bonkers at first, but its simplicity, application and appeal was immediately obvious when the Wii was revealed. The GamePad, conversely, tried to promote the trend of tablets after they'd already become desirable in slicker, more modern forms; Nintendo, perhaps, had been a little unlucky in hitting a trend too late. Finding a new concept and design that enthrals millions nowadays requires a bit of brilliance and - of course - some luck.
I still like the idea of an NX that integrates portable and home console aspects, especially as the portable market remains by far the most lucrative for Nintendo. If there are separate SKUs for a portable and a home console 'box' - and a bundle with both for crazy people like me and, I suspect, a number reading this - then Nintendo can have the best of both worlds. It's a huge logistical and technological challenge to produce hardware that's powerful, integrated and a sensible price, but with all of the moves by Nintendo to unite its portable and home console teams and the ambition it evidently has, I wouldn't put it past the company to find a magical solution.
Or it could be something completely different. It's my understanding that it's still only a very small number that actually know what NX is, perhaps to the frustration of some third-party developers - in the end I'm just relieved that it's not as the fakes tried to make us believe.
In any case, there'll be a lot of claims from people claiming to know what NX is in the next few months, and as a team we'll just assess each on their merits. With some we'll have fun with the 'Rumour Buster' tag, and others may be convincing enough to just be a 'rumour'. Others, like a random 'triple-A dev' on Reddit that says they can't share images but that they're 'totally legit' - well, we'll just ignore them entirely.
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I think if it were real, people were overreacting without getting the details from an official source. Talking about getting rid of their current systems and damning Nintendo. Nintendo is the only company I know that gets people worked up on both extremes of the opinion poll.
Imagine they did that Wii Karting device, all the fat people would break it or would have sued because their huge rear end doesn't fit on it. Nintendo would have had something in common with an airline. They would have had to send out some sort of sleeve for the entire thing like the Wii remote.
It's unfortunate that the rumors, though fake, have put a feeling of mistrust of Nintendo and its innovating in the air so soon.
The press is ready to pick apart anything that shows up from Nintendo that doesn't look like its guaranteed to sell to 18-35 year old men better than its competitors.
I wish Nintendo hadn't so far in 2016 pretended that the NX doesn't exist. It was more acknowledged last year by the company. They could have put out messaging that drove the hype themselves that also let the reveal take place in its time and have kept selling its current lines
Oh, I thought that was 'Wii Potty Training'...
@NinChocolate You have to keep in mind a huge part of the western industry want to get Nintendo out. Because Nintendo don't want to follow the AAA trend that already destroyed a big part of the japanese industry. They see Nintendo as a competitor who try to bring a part of the audience to something else than AAA, not a partner. Expect big smear campain whatever the NX will be.
Believing something and then being glad when it's revealed to be fake is a worse course of action than actually choosing to reserve judgment until things are officially revealed.
This is the age we live in; the Internet and 3D printing along with adding to something else that was faked. That's like an unholy triangle. The NX controller will look nothing like that one patient revealed that one time. Did we see any patents for the Wii u game pad or Wii remote, prior to their reveal? No. Patents do not have to be made public right away and in any case corporations file many patents, not every single one of 'rm is gonna make it into a realised, marketable product.
When the second leak was still deemed 100% true, cold hard fact, the reactions of the comments sections here and elsewhere were presumptive, one sided and negative. So much energy wasted and all along it was some guy in the right place with the right tools.
I hope they reveal the console before E3 and then focus on NX games in E3.
@toxibunny
Nintendo's E3 2008 would have been even more awesome if they had announced that after Wii Music showcase.
I doubt that I will be getting rid of my Wii U when NX comes out.......
The thing that makes it (both of them really) such a good hoax was the simple fact about what is says about the current (and recent-ish past) of what Nintendo has become.
While it is a relief it was not real, the point being, not all that many of us would be that surprised at this point for them to make such a poor decision with their somewhat flailing and gimmicky direction(s).
This whole situation shows why Nintendo desperately need to announce the NX as soon as possible.
I saw so many (negative) posts about the NX controller bouncing around my FB news feed, however, I have seen none about the revelation that it was fake.
The damage has already been done, and it's all Nintendo's fault for holding back.
@msvt You hit the nail on the head. The fact that it was a completely believable idea that Nintendo would actually make something like it says a whole lot about their place in the industry.
I was actually interested to see how Nintendo would pull a controller like that off. I don't understand why people pour so much effort into leaks for 5 minutes of fame. Still, props to him. Fooled me haha.
The cloud-based patent looks really interesting, to be honest. It would be like Bit Torrent, but for computations instead of illegal movie rips.
@Mogster "The damage has already been done, and it's all Nintendo's fault for holding back."
You're being serious here?
I see it quite differently:
The reaction to the actual NX hardware is all that matters. Once it is shown, this hoax will mean nothing to anyone. If the NX hews close to this hoax, the negative knee-jerk reaction of the collective internet will have been disipated early. Good. If the NX is much different from the hoax anyone whose opinion of Nintendo was formed on the fake device will quickly learn or feel foolish. Good.
Nintendo should hold back until they can duly impress the large target market that the NX will hopefully be aimed at. Showing it before it is impressive just to shut up some internet hoaxes and fake leaks sounds like the worst business decision imaginable.
Other considerations on timing might be to draw attention away from competitors and to announce it at a time where sustained hype leading up to the product launch is possible.
Many of us are convinced well-enough that end of 2016 will come an NX hardware product, but I couldn't tell you what it is or even what it might replace. This also helps keep the current hardware selling.
In the end, the internet just drummed up a huge amount of attention for Nintendo as a possible new hardware product that will be coming.
Good article.
We don't have to acknowledge rumors as fact, but I think it's good to have a discussion, weigh the facts and come to our own conclusions.
Because the rumors are going to be everywhere. Not talking about them here doesn't make them go away. Better to confront them head on and sort out the details with some good old fashioned logic.
@aaronsullivan
Well said. If NX is similar to the fake leak, good. The masses have let our their knee-jerk criticisms and critical panning with the fake, so it should lessen the blow.
If it's totally different, people will be more inclined to be relieved/impressed because for a moment, they saw a reality in which things could have been far worse. Good.
As for the smooth screen with no buttons, a MacBook Pro trackpad has shown me that well manufactured haptic feedback can really make you feel like you are pressing a button even though a completely smooth surface is being pressed and doesn't have a spring or hinge.
Not saying Nintendo can or will even try to do this, but there will be a day not long from now that where some company will get that aspect of a "virtual" button on a display to feel very physical. There are other problems like feeling where on the surface the button is, but it's not a foregone conclusion that seeing a smooth surface means you can't have everything about a physical button you like as a gamer still very much present.
@aaronsullivan its true once it gets unveiled it, things should sort themselves out.
However the idea of the fake pad is out in the wild. I have heard staff at my local game (twice now) tell people (who asked about ordering "that new Nintendo") the NX has a "half pad, half phone" controller and apparently its better for the customer to buy an PS4 now and get an PSVR later.
I doubt the'll be telling these people "whoops those was fakes" any time soon.
@abe_hikura
I can't even sort out what kind of logic it was the staff at your local game place was trying to use, but I don't think the hoax would make them any more or less apt to try and sell something in the store now over what might come later. That's just a natural temptation. Doesn't sound like they have scruples enough to consider the needs of the customer first, anyway.
The shocking part of your story is that someone came to the store asking about ordering "that new Nintendo". Nintendo has done almost nothing to promote the idea and there are customers asking for it?
@aaronsullivan Yeah, I agree that good haptic feedback can work. My question is, would Nintendo be able to afford it? I'm pretty sure they're going to keep a better eye on how expensive their main controller gets this time.
@MysteryMan23
Yeah, you are right. My point isn't so much that Nintendo can build that into a shipping product right now. My point is that people who see a smooth screen meant to have buttons shouldn't immediately imagine it working how mobile phone games work. Particularly in dedicated game hardware.
Anyway, the cost of NX, no matter what it is feels like a giant problem for Nintendo. All the things that people seem to demand it be make no sense from a financial perspective and Nintendo likes to make a decent profit on hardware.
I wonder if Kimishimi-san feels confident enough to launch a true loss-leader this time. Sure beats the 3DS launch disaster and the Wii U thud of a launch, I'd think.
@aaronsullivan That in itself is quite impressive.
Nintendo has so far revealed two things about the NX; the first is the letter 'N', the second is the letter 'X' - and even those are almost certain to change.
If that's enough to get people asking about 'The New Nintendo', then that's quite a feat.
The only way any lasting 'damage' will be done to Nintendo is if the official reveal somehow doesn't manage to eclipse these hoaxes. If anything, this hoax will give the actual system an easier ride, as every physical button that adorns it will be accepted as a precious jewel.
I don't think the bar has ever been set lower for a video games console than when the most eagerly anticipated features are 1) for the controller to have buttons on it, and 2) for it to be more comfortable than holding Hey Arnold's face.
@Maxz "If anything, this hoax will give the actual system an easier ride, as every physical button that adorns it will be accepted as a precious jewel."
Be careful what you wish for, we may end up with an Atari Jaguar controller
@aaronsullivan Yeah, I agree that a touchscreen controller without buttons wouldn't necessarily work like a typical mobile phone does. Especially not if Nintendo's going to make it.
As for the cost of the NX, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Though, I can see them willing to sell at a loss if they can make up for it with games. They've had to do so with both the 3DS and the Wii U, and they did fine with the 3DS at least, if I remember correctly.
@MysteryMan23 You know, I had forgotten that the Wii U sold at a loss. 3DS did not start that way. Honestly, that just makes the whole thing seem more deperate in that selling at a loss isn't enough but Nintendo might have to sell at a bigger loss. :/
Way too little known about what is being presented though. I could speculate but I'm done with that until something official comes along.
People are so gullible, don't trust NX links, they're not at all likely compared to direct leaks.
Let next handheld device be a handheld device. Drop the home console market. Nintendo is best at handhelds. Please Nintendo, don't spoil the handheld device because you think that home consoles are the premier hardware. Drop home consoles, Nintendo!
I would just be happy to see what it is gonna be!
They should have called that potty looking perpheral, the 'Wii Wee' ...
@msvt I hate to admit it, but you're right. It wouldn't be unexpected for Nintendo to just do something that nobody wants.
While the Wii was fun for a time, I gravitated to the PS3 and really didn't look back. I really like the Wii U, a lot. But I feel so much more immersed with my PS4 that I kind of feel like a traitor. I really, truly want to love the NX as much as I loved the NES and SNES. I'll hold out hope as long as I can.
@Hordak They should return to a classic controller like the Xbox One, support game streaming on Windows and Linux, and if it's powerful enough, maybe the Wii remote with Oculus support. That would be genius.
@Vincent294 I can't disagree with anything you said
I was surprised that anyone thought these pictures were real. When was the last time a "sketch on the back of an envelope" patent ever resembled a final product ?
Did gullible get removed from the dictionary ?
Nintendo is more secretive than Apple, no one knows the real deal until the last minute. These days Apple products were leaked before they were revealed. Steve Jobs used to sue people and got them fired if they broke the NDA. Maybe Nintendo is using death threat on anyone revealing the NX.
we need some good conspiricy stories about how nintendo is responsible for every single leak and hoax as part of some evil(has to be evil ofcourse)marketing thing or whatever.thats an article i would read!could be verry funny if done right.also bonus points for blaming it on lizard people
I really don't think the hoax will affect nx sales. Sure people still believe it now, but when the real system is announced and advertised it should clear all the bad air. I'm kinda hoping they release a stronger portable. I know they just updated pokemon graphics, but I'm still hoping they'll get a lot better. I will buy a NX system though, just to support Nintendo this round. If they do end up releasing dragon quest on it, it would make the buy worth it.
Hopefully for nintendo they get some third party support, otherwise the machine is doomed from the begining, i think that's crucial.
Nintendo should be more transparant about prommises, for example zelda wiiu, promoting the system with a game thats not even released after 4 years feels somewhat lame and stupid ^^
Owned every nintendo sinds the nes, but the nx may be the first i pass on, i want to see potential. Otherwise i step over to a ps4.5.
It's really sad how all the haters and Nintendoomers are licking their wounds and trying to claim that the NX "could be" these things...and then blaming Nintendo for not giving them more information.
The rampant speculation is hilarious...meanwhile, all these people who are so "concerned" about what Nintendo will do next could have been enjoying the Wii U they refused to buy because some lazy game journalist called the Gamepad a "gimmick" a few years back.
It's really sad.
On the bright side, NintendoLife's coverage has been pretty careful and doesn't come with the excessive editorializing and click-bait found on other sites.
@Mogster - It's not Nintendo's job to push their plans ahead because so many people on the internet were duped into believing whatever some hoaxster throws together.
For all their claims of being plugged in and sophisticated, this generation are still naive and easily manipulated by hype.
What's really important, is what the NX will actually be when officially revealed, and how well they market it...these fake rumors will be forgotten when the real info arrives from Nintendo officially.
@MadAussieBloke - lol
These rumors and hoaxes will be long forgotten and meaningless when the real reveal happens.
At that time, all that will matter is what the actual system is going to be, and how they market it.
Sorry Nintendoomers, only Nintendo can screw this one up...and they may...but only time will tell now.
I could be wrong but I feel like people making fake leaks is a relatively recent thing. At least to this degree. I don't like it at all. I feel like I have to be cynical about everything all the time and I hate it.
@aaronsullivan I was surprised too, I'm assuming they saw something on facebook maybe on trending tab or their kid/teen said something.
honestly my game store is pretty shocking at this. they are constantly pushing PS4 on people. I've overheard the manager there tell a customer who wanted in on the new gen systems and even though his friends was on xbox he should get PS4 because "on xbox you have to wait for a game to update to play."
Every time I've bought an Monster Hunter game from them (wii, 3ds, wii u) I've been told its not a "real" monster hunter and there will be no real monster hunter till an Vita or PS4 version launches.
When Bravely Default came out there was about 6 of us getting it and when we got to the till we was informed that "nobody buys 3DS games so we only ordered 1 in" which was odd because I see people buying them all the time and hell they don't have poken or Hyrule Warriors in stock.
sorry rant over lol
@defrb I think third party support is certainly a deal breaker UNLESS it is some form of hybrid or two devices with full cross play. If Nintendo only has 1 library for the next gen then Nintendo has effectively doubled their studios. no need for two Mario karts, New Mario bros and so on in one gen. If that is the case i'd hope we'd see some of the N64/GC era where we got some "mature" titles from Nintendo. certainly leverage IP's like Eternal Darkness and Fatal Frame.
of cause being Nintendo its entirely possible that they'll use those extra teams to make "bigger" not more games.
This fake controller topic bores me. drums fingertips on the desk E3 can't come soon enough.
@Action51
"For all their claims of being plugged in and sophisticated, this generation are still naive and easily manipulated by hype."
You only wrote this once, so here it as again.
It's amazing how fickle, narrow-minded and ill-informed large, vocal swathes of the internet can be whilst earnestly believing they have their 'finger on the pulse'.
I'm just going to wait for the official reveal before I make any assumptions about Nintendo's next console. It's alot easier that way.
@aaronsullivan "If the NX hews close to this hoax, the negative knee-jerk reaction of the collective internet will have been disipated early."
Or, it could stir another knee-jerk reaction. "Oh look, it turns out that the real McCoy doesn't appear all that different from the hoax!" You have to remember, this is the internet.
Wild accusations, speculation, and clever truth twisting have time and time again been effective tactics to sway people's mindshare. That hasn't changed at all today... In fact, it's become increasingly profitable to feed people more and more BS. Misinformation is more common now than ever! Humanity's propensity to gravitate towards drama and falsehoods shouldn't be underestimated.
@Action51 The so-called "NintenDOOMers" (your term, not mine) in this thread weren't chanting "DOOM, DOOM, DOOM..." or even trying to rile people up. The point is that a lot of people were actually wondering whether it was a fake or not, when the answer should have been obvious to everyone, instead of just the more perceptive folks.
Just look at the comment sections of when the 1st and 2nd fakes were first shown. Especially with the 2nd fake, a lot of people were genuinely worried. Almost no one should have been worried, yet it happened anyways. You can't just brush that off.
There's a reason why polls (like the one on NL) on whether even the more obvious first "leak" was a fake was in the 60%'s range saying it's a fake and 30%'s saying they didn't know, and even more than 5% saying it was the real deal. That should have been at least 90% saying it was a fake. Yet it made more than 1/3 of people actually ponder it's authenticity. I bet even more people would have been fooled if only the 2nd fake leak was distributed, and not the 1st one, especially if the "leaker" had said nothing afterwards.
That's entirely Nintendo's fault. They've never been good with dispelling fake leaks leading up to their official reveals. The "leaker" had to confirm it was false for themselves. What would Nintendo have done if the "leaker" hadn't parried their own bullet? We should be thankful he wasn't malevolent, because with Nintendo's recent bout of awkward silence, they might've done squat about it until June. Almost three months of constant bad PR.
@PlywoodStick If Nintendo steps in and says, "no that's fake, the real controller is nothing like that", then they've been forced into giving away information they would have otherwise kept to themselves. If they simply take a fake down WITHOUT comment, then people are much more likely to assume it's real, and that Nintendo has tried to hush up in a legitimate snitch. Just look at the extra press generated when Ubisoft tried to quell rumours of Beyond Good and Evil being released for the NX. Also, it's pretty much impossible to silence the Internet when it gets talking about something.
People are obsessing over the fact that the NX's public image has taken a blow. That might be true, but it's also true that what people think of the NX today isn't the deciding factor in whether the console sells. The deciding factor is what people think of the console on release day, and every day thereafter.
Come E3, don't you think people will have better things to talk about than a non-functional lump of plastic that some guy churned out of a 3D printer?
I would argue that trying silencing hoaxes is futile, self-defeating, and generally waste of time and resources. Let the fans get their knickers in a twist if they want; I'm sure Nintendo have got better things to do that swoop in and shut me up every time I tell the world that the NX is a series of connectable, collectable, interactive fridge magnets.
All this hullabaloo hasn't given us any answers, but it has put one great big whopping question on everybody's lips:
"Just what IS the NX!?"
And as the company with the answers, that puts the ball squarely in Nintendo's court; now with millions of attentive potential customers, clamouring for an answer.
I really can't see how that's an unfortunate position for the company to be in.
@Dankykong When the Wii first came out, there was a lady in florida, that sued nintendo because her over-weight son lost weight using it. It's just amazing on the stupid lawsuits that people make nowadays...especially when over 70% of America is overweight.
All honesty should point to people waiting until an official word from nintendo and an official showing of the console itself...which will pinpoint to E3. Nintendo is not going to show off anything or say anything about it, as it could jeapordise the sales of the 3DS or Wii U even more. Imagine if they announced that the next console is backwards compatible...who would purchase a Wii U then??? I'm eagerly awaiting to see what nintendo has up its sleeves and I'm sure many others are too...it's not too far down the road until the reveal. Other than that, I'll continue enjoying the Wii U and awaiting the upcoming Star Fox and Paper Mario (probably the last few games for it) to come out...especially of how hard the games are becoming to find.
The debate seems to be going like this:
"What a blow to Nintendo! It's too late, now the damage is done!"
"To what exactly?"
"To the NX's image! It's been dragged through the mud!"
"But the NX doesn't even have an image. We don't know anything about it. Nothing has been revealed."
"Aah, but it does have an image now, because of these hoaxes! And what's more, a negative image!"
"Yes, okay, but do you really think that image will stick around after we have some actual, concrete information on the console? Won't it be almost immediately washed away as people move onto new, non-speculative aspects of the console as they're revealed?"
...And then I'm not sure how it goes after that.
As far as I can tell, all Nintendo has to do is make a bigger splash than some guy in Scandinavia with a 3D printer, and this will all be water under the bridge. Only now, people are more attentive and curious about the console than they have been since the it was announced.
@JLPick I REMEMBER THAT I THINK!?!??! OMG the things you forget because they're just too much. I hope he lost weight still and became some weird fitness guru and uses Wii Fit U now because of the mom and her crazy attitude about weight.
@Maxz Is it really that big of a deal to give a quick statement about a widely circulated fake leak that it is, indeed, fake? That doesn't "give away information they wouldn't have otherwise", it just quickly refutes the fake, then moves on. I mean, sure, if you really want to stretch that as giving away information, then yes, it tells us what it's not. But it still doesn't tell us what the NX is. I don't think anyone suggested that Nintendo should take it down without saying anything, either...
As for the whole public image angle you brought up... I don't think that has anything to do with this. The "bad PR" that I mentioned was referring to the awkward silence of doing nothing when a widely circulated piece of information comes up. Maybe a lot of people interpret that as simply wondering whether the fake leak was real (and again, apparently over 1/3 of everyone was pondering it), but it also applies to how the company handles external pressures. If they can't brush this aside like it's nothing, then it raises questions with some over how well Nintendo is capable of using their marketing prowess into the future.
It might seem like a little thing, but if Nintendo just continues this trend of awkward silence into the NX and 9th generation, then it could end up meeting the same fate as the Wii U. That's the big thing to be worried about here. Of course no one is going to care about the fake leak once the NX has already launched. It's the perception of how Nintendo handles events that matters.
@PlywoodStick I think it's this notion of an "awkward silence" that doesn't click with me. I just don't expect to hear anything from Nintendo, about anything, unless there's some specific event (such as E3 or a Nintendo Direct) on the horizon. And as such, I don't find the silence to be particularly "awkward".
I respect what you're saying, and you could well be right. I might just be looking at everything with an outdated, 'pre-Internet' mindset, inherited from a time where I would eagerly listen out for the clunk of my monthly Nintendo mag on the carpet every time the postman came; when that was my sole source of information on anything Nintendo. It might well be de rigueur for any modern company to be in constant dialogue with its fans on these sorts of issues, but it's not generally been Nintendo's way of doing things, and it's personally not something I expect.
I think this is probably at the heart of our apparent disagreement. In fact, I potentially don't even "disagree" with you. I think I just we have different expectations of the company, and if I'm very much in the minority in the way I feel, then you could well be right.
But I hope you understand why it's personally not my gut instinct, from an egocentric standpoint.
@PlywoodStick Everything I'm hearing about the NX (as a total non-insider, of course) indicates that right now, Nintendo doesn't want a single bit of information about it getting out until the time is right; thus, they won't even talk about a supposed "leak" to dismiss it as fake.
Heck, do the people in charge of contact with the media even know enough about the NX to know when a "leak" is in fact fake? I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo were hiding the NX from them just to minimize the potential of a leak.
EDIT: And one more thing; if they made a habit of calling out fake leaks, and a real leak came along, what would they do then? If they lied and said it was false, people wouldn't believe them the next time they called out a fake leak. If they said nothing, it would be like admitting it was real. So, it's better to just say nothing at all.
@Maxz Yeah, I think you're right. No disagreement, just different interpretation/perspective. Although I sort of understand the pre internet perspective too, being an 80s/90s kid.
@MysteryMan23 Oh yeah, that's a good point... I didn't think about the mind games that PR can involve sometimes when you're trying to tell the truth. (But not the whole truth.)
I still can't believe anyone got confused with "not photoshop" and "actual Nintendo product".
@msvt Why do people paint Nintendo as the gimmick maker? They come up with an idea that others turn into a gimmick, like Sony and Microsoft's gimmicky motion control or Sonys' gimmicky touch pads and Microsoft's gimmicky second screen. Nintendo had real uses for them, Sony and MS had pure garbage uses.
@MadAdam81 Because despite PS Move being a flop and Kinect being all but useless for gaming, MS and Sony have innovated far more. Look at Xbox Live and the PlayStation Store: online multiplayer, voice chat, indie devs, and cross buy. Nintendo's behind, we want them to be the industry leader like they were many years ago.
@PlywoodStick
You say: "That's entirely Nintendo's fault."
Are you kidding me?
Let's get real for a second.
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It's first and foremost the fault of the person who buys into the rumor. It's not confirmed, and there is no official word, so a reasonable person would temper their expectations and remember that the internet is brimming with hoaxes and misinformation.
Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, then I probably haven't been on the internet long, eh?
Secondly, it's the games media and hype industry that feeds off of the lazy reporting and rumor mongering. They are all so eager to scoop each other and put out the articles that will earn the clicks.
Finally, it's the hoaxster's fault....because you know...THEY perpetrated a HOAX!
In the end, you can throw a million surveys and percentages into the air, but it's not Nintendo's fault in any way shape or form. They can't be responsible for what some prankster does, and you have to have a healthy skepticism in today's world.
It's actually quite ridiculous and absurd to blame Nintendo for YOU believing a fraud instead of being more level-headed and waiting for confirmation.
Nintendo is under no obligation to release product information on any timeline but their own, and that's a decision that are free to make and must deal with the consequences of their actions alone...only someone pushing an agenda would use such a flimsy and pathetic argument to say otherwise.
@Vincent294 Almost all of these things you mentioned appeared in PC games long before Playstation or Xbox.
@Action51 Consoles tend to populate these concepts and execute them best so long as tech ins't a limiting factor (such as MMOs).
Please be good Nx
@MadAdam81
Fair point.
It is not just the hardware that I meant. it is the the games they are shoveling out now and for a while... paper mario, federation force, my god look what they did to the new mario tennis, amiibos and amiibo festival type games, tri-force heroes, I'd even include the excessive costs of the smash bros dlc, star fix forcing in miyamotos gamepad play over what fans of the series (I'm not one) have wanted for years -corrected or not, that game has a hard slog since its reveal.... and yes, I include the gamepad which if better quality and design could have been at least 'nicer' but was very gimmicky not to mention rarely utilized as a main "innovation".Could have been more though would have made it more expensive (not my problem) and lacks quality -just as the original wii-mote did when they soon after released motion=plus as they should have from day one.
Just examples of the top of my head but I see your valid point and used to agree -they have since lost my trust I almost skipped the Wii U (smash and some eshop games pulled me in) and will skip the next console likely entirely.
@Vincent294 - What you're doing is called "moving the goalposts" (an American Football reference) meaning that you've changed the parameters of the discussion after you've been corrected.
You were talking about ideas that were "first" to other consoles, and I pointed out that those were innovated on PC.
Obviously consoles do not populate these concepts as you claim...with the exception of Nintendo. In fact it's more often then not likely an "innovation" found on a Playstation or Xbox console started on PC or Nintendo first.
Sorry.
@Action51 These are the goalposts, since when Nintendo make PCs? If you take Valve into account Nintendo's even more behind.
@Vincent294 - lol
The point is that a video gaming platform is a video gaming platform.
It's like saying Ford gets credit for developing a certain safety device on their vehicles first because even though Cooper might have done it years before...it's not an American car, or it was first featured on a compact car and not a truck.
I refuted your point, and you really had no legitimate reply, so you change the parameters and claim that only console gaming counts. That -might- have been a more legitimate argument in 1984, but not in 2016.
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