Video: This Pokkén Tournament Commercial Should Provide a Timely Reminder of Wii U Release Hype

This will be my first Pokemon game ever!

Cannot wait ..

I hope they keep the DPad support on the U. I hate the L Stick for movement in fighting games which makes Smash Bros a meh to me.

I hope Nintendo releases Pokken tournament with the controller in a bundle and also just the game on its own aswell for those who don't want the control pad.

@Shiryu That's pretty sad, imo. It seems you're only buying this Pokemon game now because it's a fighting game, presumably, and yet it actually looks like a pretty sh*t fighter to me. However, all the other main Pokemon RPG games are generally pretty brilliant, yet this is the one Pokemon game you've already decided you're going to buy (without even playing it or seeing a single review yet). WTF?

This sums up the kind of attitude many modern/younger gamers seem to have, to me at least. It seems to me that many modern gamers buy something because they perceive it to be more "cool" rather than because it's actually good. Or they're just buying it because it fits into whatever is the most popular genre rather than because of how good it may or may not be, in this case completely ignoring all the other genuinely great Pokemon games just because they are RPGs and not fighting games. It's like all those people who only play Call of Duty, Fifa and "mature" games because that's the only games they know everyone else talks about like they are "cool" and it's "obviously" what all the grown ups are playing. Ya know, cause only kids play anything that isn't "cool" and "mature", and all that jazz. What a sad way to experience video gaming.

At the very least, wait to see what the feedback is on this blatantly obvious cash-in, shopped-out, spin-off—note in some of the other footage that it looks like the Pokemon character models have literally been slapped onto more traditional fighting moves and and human player animations at times (like they maybe took a Tekken game and literally just re-skinned the characters and then changed a few bits and bobs here and there)—before rewarding Nintendo's actions with your money.

Note: I edited this a bit when I read it again because I realised my initial reaction was a bit harsh—but it still was my genuine initial reaction.

@Kirk

A lot of assumptions right there from somebody's simple statement.

@Kirk As long as they are having fun, don't see any reason to bash them.

Nice to see the Virtual Boy controller getting some love

@Kirk
Wow those are some pretty sh*tty assumptions. Congratulations, you just made it into my ignore list.

@Kirk
How dare people only want to play one spin-off title from a franchise because they don't enjoy the genre the franchise usually runs. A person who plays video games but chooses not to play a popular RPG? What a sad existence they must be.

If someone wants to play a game from a franchise, they must play the main series, and shun all spin-off games that aren't similar because those are terrible games that ruin the premise of the series.

@Shiryu

Snap.

I'm pretty excited about this game - I assume it was something of a last minute solution to the E3 backlash as it would have brightened up their showing there a fair bit.

@Kirk damn dude, can't let someone have an unpopular opinion without bashing him/her, huh? If you're so grown-up, leave it alone. Let him/her actually enjoy the game for their own reason.

@Kirk Kirk, have a Snickers.

@Kirk How you can come to that conclusion from such a simple comment I'll never know.I don't know Shiryu personally but I can tell from his comments here over the years and videos he makes for his Youtube channel that this is a guy who knows gaming and has a real passion for it whether it be modern or retro,certainly far more than the average gamer anyway.I am most definitely not what you would call a 'modern/younger' gamer but I'm also interested in this and it would be my first Pokemon game too.I've played them on my nephews Gameboy and they werent for me,i don't like turn based RPG's for a start.I do like fighting games though so this game appeals to me.I'll likely wait for reviews but if it reviews well I'll get it.

@Kirk ...damn, man. "That's pretty pathetic"!?. What the hell is wrong with you? I know it's Monday and it's like "I hate the world" day everywhere, but damn...

Anyway, if you care, I have never been into Pokemon. Ever! When the game showed up, I was already not a kid and a hardcore JRPG lover. I didn't even have a Game Boy Pocket or Color at the time, was 100% dedicated to my SNES playing stuff like "Secret of Mana", "Final Fantasy VI", "Terranigma" (one of the actual few perks of being a PAL gamer), "Breath of Fire", etc, etc. What the "many modern/younger gamers "!? I have spent over three decades gaming, all the way back to the ZX Spectrum So I can't possibly qualify for that lucky bunch. One thing I can assure I do like is fighting games. The Wii U is sadly lacking in that department and I can't even recall how many hours I have on "Tekken Tag Tournament 2 Special Edition". So if they guys who make "Tekken" make a fighting game with the same engine staring Pokemon (including a lucha libre Pikachu!) why in the world would I pass it by!?

Man, that will teach me not to comment and have an opinion on the WWW. Hell, I better just delete all these WIP articles I'm writing for Nintendo Life because they are all personal opinion based. I'm gonna go away now and rethink my life...

PS: "What a sad way to experience video gaming."

PPS: When the first Pokemon games came out and every was going insane, I was trying my best to get an Import Super Famicom "Front Mission". And eventually I did! While everyone else was raising Pokemon, I was customizing mechs! And now I wish they made a Front Mission Fighter with the Tekken engine.

@Everyone blowing up on Kirk

seriously... wtf peeps, he's just noting that this person's first pokemon experience is a freakin' spin-off fighter that looks to be a pretty shoddy fighting game.

The game looks like a shoddy fighting game made to appeal to pokemon fans. he's expressing the belief that no one who is into fighting games would value this game. it's a bizarre way to break into pokemon.

he's not complaining that the guy isn't playing the RPG so much as that the guy is interested in the poor representation of the series and poor excuse of a fighting game when he has no interest in pokemon. it makes no sense to start here. it's like being introduced to the legend of zelda through link's crossbow training, or to mega man by battle and chase.

then again, kirk doesn't take into account that shiryu may be a fan of the animated series or animated movies, or even just likes collecting figures or playing the card game, and there's a manga too right?. the only unfair assumption is that kirk assumed that shiryu was absolutely not a pokemon fan upto this point.

[edit] also, I guess I'm unfairly assuming all parties involved are male... apologies if one or more of you are female...

also... where was an opinion being bashed? shiryu made a statement, none of which was opinion... so... what is everyone talking about exactly?

Kirk, you're full of hot air.

I'm hopeful for this game. I don't know how the hardcore fighting fans will rank this, but at least based on the backgrounds and character models and effects, I totally love the look of it. Probably gonna get it.

Nintendo probably doesn't remember the Wii U exists anymore.

@Shiryu I changed the word "pathetic" to "sad" pretty quickly. Realised it was a bit harsh. But it is kinda sad that you're only buying a Pokemon game now, probably a relative sh*t one at that, just because it's a fighter. It's like you've missed the whole point of the entire franchise, and it kinda p*sses on everything it's achieved that's actually good and not just some obvious half-*ssed cash-in, imo, to try and grab a few quick and easy bucks.

The fact you've decided you're getting it before even knowing if it's generally good or bad (even though you're generally not even into Pokemon)—you pretty much know nothing other than it's a fighting game with Pokemon characters in it—just reaffirms, to me, my thinking on why you're getting it.

Might as well just buy an actual proper fighting game that's going to actually score more than probably a 7/10 at best, if it's fighting you really want. How about Smash Bros, Street Fighter IV/V, Mortal Kombat X. . . .

No point in supporting the possibly barely average Pokemon games now when you've clearly ignored all the ones that are actually good. You're just gonna end up with a relatively sh*tty fighter, imo, and, ironically, you'll probably blame it on the fact it's Pokemon of all things if it disappoints you.

@Kirk Yeah, I still can't believe Capcom didn't port "Ultra Street Fighter IV" for Wii U considering "Super " was a 3DS lunch day title. I already have "Smash Bros" and "Injustice" along with the already mentioned "Tekken Tag Tournament 2" and that is it. I do not have a gaming capable PC, PS3 or PS4 as such, I very much welcome an new fighting addition to play with my friends. Don't worry about me missing out on all the Pokemon craziness, I was just already looking further, lost in Super Famicom JRPG dreamland at the time. Still am.

@Tsurii How can I be the one that's "butthurt" when I was the one making the slightly harsh/insulting comment: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ButtHurt

A least learn the proper definition and meaning, as well as appropriate context, of the silly insults you're going to use.

See, now you could claim I was "butthurt" at your stupid comment, if you want. That would at least make some sense.

This will most likely be my very very first Pokemon game after Heart Gold, if this does come to Wii U in the US.

@Kirk I think it's time for your medication right about now.

Hateful comments delivered purely because someone is of a different mind than you is ridiculously lame. Butthurt may not be the appropriate term, but you've certainly got a stick up your behind (and it must go all the way up and pierce your brain, because that one seems to malfunction).

@Fazermint So, you see the irony in what you just said, right?

lol

@Kirk I insulted your conduct, not your narrowmindedness. So no.

Guys, can't we just sip some tea and enjoy each others company?

Wow. Some people here are being extremely unpleasant on both ends of the spectrum by disparaging one other over bloody genre preferences. Resorting to crude retorts makes one no better. All this fighting makes about as much sense as disparaging someone for not liking the same foods as you do or for having different interests. We were not all designed to be the same (nor was this Pokémon game).

Relax, people. It's a video game. Leave politics to the corrupt and ugly.

Aaaand my question has to be: How in the heck does anyone know that this isn't now/isn't going to be a good game? Seriously... show of hands: How many have played this game extensively and through intimate knowledge of the game play have first-hand revelations as to whether or not this game is any good? Anyone? Ok thanks bye. And you know what else is interesting? I've noticed that the internet doesn't necessarily agree... at least those who have actually played it.

http://www.destructoid.com/pokken-tournament-is-a-fun-deep-little-brawler-311804.phtml

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/hands-on-preview/40995/pokken-tournament-arcade-hands-on-preview

Just a couple... there are a bunch more and everyone seemed to have fun with it.

So how about people save being judgy until they actually play the game. Everything I've read and seen so far points to a fun experience. And I've played Pokemon games ever since I bought a Gameboy color for that very reason (well, actually before... played on my 'Pocket' before quickly realizing I wanted to play the games in color to take advantage of the special palette), and I am looking forward to this game. Different does not mean bad, and just because a company actually (gasp) wants to make money off of it's IPs, doesn't mean that the games will automatically be quick cash-ins...

Geez, it's the Earthworm Jim comments section all over again. I'll avoid getting involved this time, since I'm too much of an opinionated loudmouth to not keep arguing.

I have no interest in this game whatsoever, but I do want to know what's going on with that crazy controller in the pictures.

@Kirk Not sure how you already know it's going to be bad when you have no more info about the game than the one you claim can't tell it's good yet. See the problem here?

Also, I'm not a Zelda fan or a Dynasty Warriors fan yet I got Hyrule Warriors without knowing how good it is and fully enjoyed it. Does that make me an equally bad person?

Pretty much all the Pokemon spin-offs as of yet have been really good, solid entries into the franchise (only exception off the top of my head is Pokemon Rumble U), just not the usual RPGs the franchise started life as so this game COULD be just as good as the other spin-offs or, as you so nicely said, it COULD be a really bad cash-in that's just a Tekken reskin, again, we simply don't know yet.

Personally, I see a person wanting to buy this game despite not being a fan of the main franchise it's based on as a good thing. It proves it's doing the job of bringing new fans in and broadening the franchises horizons.

I, myself, am really looking forward to this game at the moment since I am a Pokemon fan (have been since Red/Blue, first game of my own was Yellow version and I've played at least one game from each gen and spin-off series) and a 3D fighter fan, especially Tekken, so this combines two of my favourite franchises.

@Shiryu
I won't be as harsh when commenting your statement regarding Pokkén being your first Pokémon game, but let me tell you, you've been missing a lot of gems.

@kirk

He's entitled to play whatever franchise he wants, and whatever title of that franchise he desires. It's not sad nor pathetic that he's only getting the fighting genre of an RPG series (Halo Wars got me into halo, a strategy spinoff that everybody hates introduced me into the FPS series, and yet it's still my favorite of the entire franchise.).

I'll agree I'm not particularly interested in pokken, but called it a crappy title prior to it's release is too far of a stretch, I play skullgirls and smash bros and I can say that pokken is so far the least appealing of the two IMO, however I'm not saying "don't buy this game" because IMO it looks mediocre. (It's most likely aimed for younger kids who find button mashing fighting games too difficult, the fighting genre is very anti-new gamers tbh.)

I am so stoked for this. I think this will be my excuse to build a new hitbox.

@Captain_Toad That gif is awesome. Internet high five!

@AlexSora89 Yeah, stuff like Pokemon Snap must be really cool (even if itself is a spin-off, I was always curious about it). But you can only live one life in the real world and Time is the most valuable commodity. I never had the time to dig in. Even less so now.

@kamifox1 The difference is I can actually see issues right out the gate, some of which I alluded to in one of my other posts. In the other case it's literally "It's Pokemon but now it's a fighter, so I'm getting it."

@Fazermint I find it funny you kinda aren't even aware of the irony in your very own words and sentiment.

@Kirk I simply just don't care. You're a jackass and I thought I'd just let you know, is all.

@Kirk You can see issues from what's probably in-production footage shot purely for promotional purposes?

Also, so? The person has every right to do that, he's not hurting anyone or anything with that mentality, he's well within his rights to do that, if anything, he will be giving Game Freak/The Pokemon Company/Nintendo more money and attention so you should be grateful.

Just because YOU don't want the game doesn't give you any right to have a go at others who DO want it. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out where you went wrong here.

Oh and I find your mentalities of "It's not an RPG like the main series therefore it will be a bad game." and "You can't buy and enjoy a spin-off of a franchise without playing the main part of said franchise first." far more sad and pathetic than anything the rest of us have said, including the person you originally replied to.

@kamifox1

Big difference between hyrule warriors and pokken. Hyrule warriors is made by the makers of dynasty warriors, so one can assume it'll be of a quality just as good as dynasty warriors. It's an odd place to jump into the zelda franchise, and if you enjoy the game, you're probably better off playing other dynasty warrior games. If you like the story, then you'd probably enjoy zelda fan-fiction.

Pokken, looks like a naruto game knockoff with pokemon, so as far as fighting games go, it is assumed it won't have much in the way of balance nor depth. I may not turn out that way, but appears to be that kind of game.

@MegaBeedrill
One is entitled to play whatever he wants.
Another is entitled to criticize one's motivations for doing so.
Yet another is entitled to criticize anothers criticism.

Entitlement has nothing to do with anything. Seems like people are misconstruing what kirk said far beyond what he actually said and are forming a mob for the hell of it.

@khaosklub Well, I told a slight lie there, I also fully enjoyed Twilight Princess but I still don't class myself as a Zelda fan.

I've played some pretty enjoyable 3D fighters that work like the anime ones, main ones being Dead or Alive (very button-bashy and cinematic) and Bloody Roar (very lacking in balance and depth and also very cinematic). Also Namco's involved and we know their track record with 3D fighters so... Yeah... Can't really fault me for having hope.

@Tsusasi
It looks like naruto, so many will assume that it isn't good, though the argument isn't so much that it's bad, but it doesn't measure up to other fighting games, so wanting it as a fighting game in and of itself doesn't make much sense.

It also has pokemon characters, which would appeal to pokemon fans, so if it's one's first pokemon game, it's likely that that one is not a pokemon fan

@khaosklub "It also has pokemon characters, which would appeal to pokemon fans, so if it's one's first pokemon game, it's likely that that one is not a pokemon fan"

I still fail to see how that's an issue. A non-fan starting a franchise on a spin-off game harms no one and nothing as long as they don't then assume the entire franchise to be the same in terms of quality whether that be good or bad.

@kamifox1
And one would assume that you play dead or alive either because you like 3D fighters (it can be played non button mashy), you like ninja gaiden, or you like tits, or any combination of the three.
It does very well in all three departments.

But pokken is being assumed to be a shoddy fighter at the moment, and I'm sure most anime style games you've played have at least one character from an anime you like.

Take battle stadium D.O.N., no one who is not a fan of naruto, dragon ball z, nor one piece has any business playing that. It's not a good game! This is what is being assumed of pokken.

And you can't argue that we don't know if the game is good or not, because people will look and make assumptions until they actually play it, only natural.

@kamifox1
Not being a pokemon fan isn't so much an issue, but that it would mean that they are not interested in the game as a pokemon fan, which is the type of person this game targets.

So this and the appearance of the game being a shoddy fighter means that he doesn't really have a good reason to want the game.

Him wanting the game isn't being criticized, the fact that "this is his first pokemon game" is, because it emphasizes that pokemon itself is the important aspect of this game but also shows that he is not a fan of the series.

It's almost like saying "I am buying this game because it's pokemon, but I'm not a pokemon fan".

Though kirk is assuming another insinuation, that if pokemon isn't the primary reason for the appeal, then it's merit as a fighting game is, which he believes it has none of.

Sure, people can play whatever they want. They can also eat glue and pour bleach on their eyes. Doesn't make it a good idea, and I will certainly step up and be the bad guy and tell people that I think it's a bad idea.

@kamifox1
As a warioland fan, there is certainly harm in liking a spinoff without playing the main series. That's why there are only warioware games being made and no classic wario amiibo. No harm indeed.

@khaosklub

You missed something.

There's a difference between critism, and being a total jerk. You're entitled to voice an opinion, however kirk was bearly speaking an opinion, but rather insulting the OP telling him what he should do and bashing a game that hasn't been released yet. We can go further on the topic of the bias for the game, but the total uncivil description of the OP's opinion is enough validation to not even take his opinion serious enough. Its easy to say "dude, you should try the other games out as well" instead of "your going to buy this trash instead of the other games.WTF"

The OP can play and enjoy whatever he wants but according to Kirk, he's wasting his life on a game nobody knows about yet. Yes, Kirk is entitled say whatever the hell he wants, and guess what? We're entitled to stick up for the guy who was attacked and we're entitled to "form a mob" about it.

Don't ever hypocritically claim I'm misinterpreting anything.

Btw, what's the difference between hyrule warriors being based off of an made by the same developers of dynasty warriors.. And pokken being based off of and made by the same developers as tekken? I find the comparison to be relatively parrel and similar rather then off by any means.

Capcom is a pretty well respected company that may dumb the game down a bit for children playability, I doubt they're going to screw everything up and produce a terrible game (not that I'm a capcom fan myself)

@khaosklub Actually, Dead or Alive was only the second 3D fighter I ever played and I never had any interest in Ninja Gaiden or boobs. I have also played and enjoyed DBZ games even though I can't stand DBZ same for a couple Naruto games and Castelvania: Judgement.

In other words, no, you don't necessarily have to like the overall theme or genre of a game in order to enjoy or want the game, you can just as easily want or enjoy the game purely because it looks/is fun, the one thing all games are intended for.

Along similar lines, I can't stand 2D fighters yet I fully enjoy Blazblue.

Anyway, as for your other point, I honestly fail to see what looks so bad about the gameplay footage we've been shown anyway. It was intended as an arcade-only game originally (or so I believe) so of course it will lack any sort of depth, arcade games exist purely to jump in and out of for a few minutes at a time. It's just plain ignorant to assume an arcade game will have any more depth than that.

So that's physically and/or mentally harming you and harming the sales of the franchise? Besides, that just proves your precious Warioland isn't as popular as Warioware for whatever reason. I highly doubt Pokemon will go down that route.

Oh and lastly, you've failed to realise just why everyone ganged up on Kirk in the first place, he was far too aggressive in his response and came across as an a-hole, honestly. After all, how would you feel if you stated your choice to get a new game that's not out yet only for someone to go "That's pretty sad. It's a sh****y game." to you?

@MegaBeedrill You mean Namco. Namco makes and owns Tekken, not Capcom.

@kamifox1 thanks for pointing that out, my mistake. I mix the two companies constantly.

@kamifox1
if you didn't like ninja gaiden or tits (lies, EVERYONE likes tits, regardless of gender or sexuality, they're just magic), they you obviously played it because it was a 3D fighter, and a rather good one.

Dragon ball Z games, depending on the game provide an interesting fighting game experience not found in other games really, so you're not playing it for the dragon ball z, you're playing it for the unique fighting game experience.

furthermore, there's a difference in playing them, and getting excited and starting a series for a game. you like blazblue but hate 2D fighters, though liking blazblue means you like 2D fighters, just not all, but anyway, you are generally not a fan of 2D fighters, so when blazblue was coming out for the first time, you would not be expected to want it, or say "this will be my first 2D fighter", nor would that be overly criticized because it appears to be a well done 2D fighter similar to guilty gear, made by the same people.

street fighter was on the arcade, it has depth, also, fighters come to consoles and have depth, we're talking about a console release here. what's wrong with the gameplay footage shown depends on the viewer. some see it and assume it's like naruto which is a pretty shoddy fighter, basically just for naruto fans. some see it and assume it's like naruto, and they happen to like the naruto fighting game because they like bad fighting games (I enjoyed mega man X6... people are allowed to like bad games). the point is, kirk is on the side assuming it's shoddy, thus not a valid reason to desire this as one's first pokemon game.

if someone says that to me for getting excited in a game I have no business being excited about, I defend my reason, not call the guy a jerk for insulting my opinion, even though I stated no opinion. the fact that eveyone is defending the OP's opinion of "this will be my first pokemon game ever!" shows that they have no idea what's going on and just want to form a mob!

he's aggressive about it, because he's passionate about pokemon. to see someone's introduction to pokemon being this is insulting to him. it's understandable. he may be wrong in his stance, but being wrong doesn't make you a jerk.

@MegaBeedrill
The OP didn't express an opinion, he bashed the statement, not an opinion.
in summary:
OP says this is going to be his first pokemon game. Kirk says that it's pathetic to be introduced to pokemon this way, then accuses the OP of getting this game just because it's a fighting game, which turned out to be true. then kirk criticizes him for wanting this game as a fighter even though it is a shoddy fighter, which is kirk's current opinion and assumption.

Then he accuses the OP of being a young modern gamer that just gets the game for appearance rather than content. that may have been a little bit offensive I suppose, but he's obviously just ranting about the state of gaming today and his view of those kind of gamers. nothing to be taken personally.

I did say you guys are entitled to criticize his criticism, did I not? but the mob is forming for a completely different reason. the first few defensive comments were civil, then people just wanted to bash him for offending a non-existant opinion! just look at his discourse with @Fazermint! the guy basically sums up his statement as "fact and logic? I just wanted to be a jackass and call you a jackass!". that's the problem here. people just want to jump to the winning side and blast someone.

Also, hyrule warriors is made by the creators of dynasty warriors, and IS dynasty warriors, albeit a lite version with zelda skins, but it is the same game.

Pokken is made by the makers of tekken, but is not a re-skinned tekken, but appears to be more along the lines of naruto games... though I have no idea who made those off the top of my head, but they are generally considered a bad game. if we were presented with a tekken clone with pokemon skins, then that'd be a different story, but the game doesn't seem to flow that way, just from the camera angles alone it doesn't seem to play like tekken. haven't seen much of the game myself though, and not particularly interested in it, but I got the impression from what I've seen that it's a naruto clone.

also, never doubt a companies ability to screw up a game! especially one that has star power. let other M be a lesson to all.

@khaosklub I agree insulting the OP with the jackass statement wasn't civil, some people draw the line of defending, and turning their good intentions into hypocritical responses.

The problem with Kirk isn't his point of view, it's how he handled it. He could've said that if the OP wanted to get into the Pokemon franchise, he could try out a different game first then this one. Instead he bashed the OP for choosing this game, and used uncivil, actually inappropiate and against the forum rules phrases like censored words and WTF. His point of view could've been stated nicer. THATS why everybody is upset.

On the topic of other m, I know several people on and outside NL including myself who loved other m. Just the character development is bad imo.

@khaosklub See, all you're doing is making incorrect assumptions about me as a person. No, I didn't get DOA because it was a 3D fighter. I got it because I played a demo and enjoyed it as a game, I didn't even know what a 3D fighter was aside from Soulblade (which was completely different) back then.

About Kirk, no, he has no right to outright claim someone's sad for wanting to get a spin-off game without playing the rest of the franchise first, that's just a ridiculous way to react. There's a difference between being passionate and outright insulting someone. There's plenty other ways to be passionate without upsetting or insulting an individual.Besides, I highly doubt he'd say that to the persons face and if he did, I highly doubt he'd walk away after. He could've just as easily, as someone else pointed out, simply stated that it wouldn't be the best game to start with and recommended a different one instead or simply accepted the choice the person had made and said nothing to him but no, he instead chose to insult the person for making what he believes to be a poor gaming choice.
His reaction just reminds me of all the Sonic fans that do exactly that to the people who like games like Sonic '06 and Shadow the Hedgehog. It's unnecessarily hurtful.

@kamifox1
you played a demo of a 3D fighter and enjoyed it, you got it because it was an enjoyable 3D fighter. you may not realize it was a genre itself at the time, but you liked the mechanics which are defined by the genre. when I say you get a game because it's a 3D fighter, it's not the name of the genre itself that appeals, but the mechanics associated with the genre. you liked it as a 3D fighter, and that's why you got it.

are you suggesting someone would physically harm kirk for criticizing their game choice? that's just bonkers right there. compared to that, kirk's reaction is perfectly tame!

anyway, yes, he does have a right to criticize the gaming choice, and those who don't like sonic and want to start with those two games, I would tell them not too, because they're poor representations that could turn them off the series completely or make those games popular enough to replace the main series, ala warioware.

and furthermore, from the version I read of his post, he seemed more critical of the game and of the experience provided by it than of the OP.

@MegaBeedrill
I mean, he mostly bashed the game itself as a fighter, and only bashed the OP by calling him a young modern gamer playing games for the coolness. that part wasn't right, but that's not what everyone is getting up in arms for. the OP defended himself well on this point, embarassing kirk in the process, but that's not the part everyone seems to care about.

regardless of whether other M was good to some or not, the fact is, it divided the fanbase drastically. no game in a series should do that. Prime itself divided the fanbase a little from the 2D metroid fans and 3D metroid fans, but no huge division, and at least the story quality was preserved. other M divided up fans further with gameplay and defecated on the storyline. it was a mistake of a game and would have been more appropriate as a new series. regardless of whether some people liked it, it was bad for the series as a whole.

Also, as I've stated before, people are allowed to like bad games.

@khaosklub Oh. So I must feel ashamed then, and start apologizing to all Smash Bros. fans for not playing a Smash Bros game before Wii U!

Those N64 and Meele fans will be so pissed off because of me! I'm so bad! Sorry everyone!

@kamifox1 Having an Honours Degree in Animation & Electronic Media, being a 15 year video game veteran who's worked at the likes of Rare and Rockstar North in positions of Artist & Animator and Level Designer on games like Donkey Kong Country Colour, Banjo Kazooie: Grunty's Revenge, GTA V: The Ballad of Gay Tony, Red Dead Redemption, and GTA V respectively (plus a few others), and having worked on 7 of my own games on iOS and Android (which means designing, creating the art for, and programming them all myself), Yeah, I can see some potential issues to be honest.

For example: It looks to me like some of the character animations may actually be taken directly from bipedal human animation rigs, maybe even from some previous Tekken fighter or something, and just had Pokemon characters mapped over the top. Right out the gate that's a worrying thing to see, and it doesn't install confidence in me that they're really taking this game quite as seriously or giving it as much love as they should be. Also, the cartoon Pokemon characters looking a bit like they are sort of just pasted into slightly "realistic" levels, which look a tiny bit miss-matched, also gives me the same kind of worries. And that's just a couple of things I can be bothered to mention. So, again, yeah.

I mean just look at how strange it looks with what appears to be Tekken type attacks and character movement but with Pikachu and whatever other Pokemon jumping around instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EF92j3g1pE

It's almost as if either Namco or Nintendo just said "Hey, lets skin this traditional fighter with Pokemon skins, modify a few things here and there, get it out quickly, and we can add one more game to our Wii U release schedule to shut up all those people saying there's no new games for Wii U". It's honestly like a Tekken game that's been modded by Pokemon fans.

It maybe be good, who knows, but it's all just a little strange/wrong looking and a bit of an obvious awkward, cash-in, mishmash to me. So I'll just go with what I can at least see for now, until someone proves otherwise.

Also, the game is already finished and released in the arcades, so what you are seeing is almost certainly nigh-on final release stuff for the Wii U version.

@Olmectron
exactly, because that's exactly what I'm claiming. Smash U is completely different from every other iteration and has pretty much no common ground. it's also so shoddy a party fighter that no one should want it for that reason at all. I can infer from your post that you are not a fan of mario, zelda, mega man, fire emblem, kirby, ... , pokemon, duck hunt nor the game and watch series... so yeah, you should definitely be ashamed for starting with what most definitely isn't the most current in a series of updated versions of the original game... for shame.

@Fazermint Then I stand informed of what you think of me.

lol

@khaosklub Okay. Then I'm off. No point in trying to discuss anything here, not worth the time.

I'll just add, Nintendo should have died in its early days like Sega, so that all those new fans (children, teenagers or adults, doesn't matter) didn't exist to make veteran gamers feel "bad" just for purchasing and playing new Nintendo games.

@Olmectron
Just fyi, forgot to add the sarcasm tag to my post.

@Olmectron
seriously though, where and from what did you come up with this conclusion? when did anyone argue that one should play the original retro game? the issue was that pokken is a poor man's fighting game made to profit off pokemon fans, and that it's a sad introduction to pokemon. pokemon whatever the newest version out is just fine, even shuffle, because it's a solid puzzle game. no one ever criticized liking new nintendo games.

@Captain_Toad omg I totally agree XD

@Shiryu
Then give the main series a shot sometime, you won't regret it. I'd suggest either HeartGold/SoulSilver, any Generation V game (maybe Black2/White2 for the sake of veriety), or AlphaSapphire/OmegaRuby.

@Kirk So.... How does it feel to be the butt of the joke in NintumblrLife today? I would say, "You got punked!", but you probably already realized that...

@khaosklub You said: "OP says this is going to be his first pokemon game. Kirk says that it's pathetic to be introduced to pokemon this way, then accuses the OP of getting this game just because it's a fighting game, which turned out to be true. then kirk criticizes him for wanting this game as a fighter even though it is a shoddy fighter, which is kirk's current opinion and assumption.
Then he accuses the OP of being a young modern gamer that just gets the game for appearance rather than content. that may have been a little bit offensive I suppose, but he's obviously just ranting about the state of gaming today and his view of those kind of gamers. nothing to be taken personally."

Between those lines and some other from other posts you did, you're fine with Kirk criticizing Shiryu's post because it's okay to say it's bad to enter Pokémon franchise by playing a spin-off game that Kirk says will surely be bad, and not a real entry in the series. After all, it's just an opinion, and you took it more directed to the actual videogaming environment, than anything personal to Shiryu.

Whatever, the point is the same thing could Meele players do to Brawl or WiiU/3DS new players (and they do). Many Meele players criticized Brawl, and criticize WiiU/3DS versions so bad, that they could easily just insult and say "pathetic" and "sad" way to enter into the series to any new player because of that. And it would be right, because it's just their opinion. Woudln't it?

@Olmectron
Except that's different. Melee vs brawl are arguing for the better version of the same game.

This is saying that this game is hardly a pokemon experience, thus a bad introduction to the series, that is one complete point.

Then it makes another point that it is a shoddy fighting game, and should not be desired on it's merits as a fighting game, which only leaves it's merit as a pokemon game to consider.

In essence, it's a bad spinoff, and a bad way to experience pokemon

@khaosklub Alright. But he got it because it's a fighting game. So he is not going to "experience" Pokémon, but a fighting game with Pokémon characters. So, no problem at all.

Maybe it's a bit different that thing about Smash Bros. But it's the same for what this is about. Self-proclaimed "passionate" players saying everyone playing a different or more recent version of a game is bad, and that the real way to experience the game is in the version (or versions) they most like. Where did I read that?

Everyone should just have fun. And everyone can have their opinion. But writing several full paragraphs about one person's little sentence, without even knowing him/her, is just bad. So much prejudice put in there.

@AlexSora89 Maybe. Maybe...

@Captain_Toad Haahahaha Agreed.

@PlywoodStick I have no idea.

What's NintumblrLife?

@Kirk

It's like you've missed the whole point of the entire franchise,

The point of a franchise is to move copies by developing content that might lure people in. The content lured someone in, the franchise served its purpose. You're not the starry-eyed developer of an indie title desperately hoping that someone interprets the game in a way you intended it to be, so why are you so taken back by the reason he wants the game?

And who cares if it's not a very good fighting game? Different styles of game will appeal to different people, and genre mashing as well as spinoffs tend to not conform to particular genre rules. Judging a game before it comes out, much?

you'll probably blame it on the fact it's Pokemon of all things if it disappoints you.

If he's never bought a Pokemon game until now, then why would this be a problem? If he hates it and doesn't buy future Pokemon games, then that's barely any different if this game never came out and he never got it in the first place. If it turns out to be good and gets him into the genre, then that's a win-win situation for everyone, right? Just because you can't see past your tunnel-vision idea of what makes a franchise, what makes a game good, and what marketing techniques a company is permitted to use, doesn't mean that everything outside of that scope is not worth anyone's time

What a sad way to view the gaming ecosystem

@Kirk NintumblrLife is the new and improved NintendoLife, redefining our expectations of the life to come.

Q) Are you still excited about this one coming to Wii U in 2016?

A) I'd certainly rate it amongst my top 6 most looked forward to games of 2016. I love fighting games, I love Pokémon, and now I see the two of them combining for a spin-off; it has naturally gotten me excited for it's upcoming Wii U release.

I really like the Halloween update they've gone and done; really cool. I hope to see more of these things in the future, and hope that the Wii U version will also get these nifty changes when various holidays approach each year.

I do wish they'd reveal some more characters though. Normally I wouldn't criticise a smaller roster for a first instalment, but Pokémon does have a large selection to pull from and I've still yet to see any playable Gen 5 or 6 Pokémon. Oh well, I guess I'll have to wait, but I do hope we start seeing some more Pokémon reveals soon.

@khaosklub Whilst I believe the developers of the Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm games are Cyber Connect 2, Namco are certainly involved with the game in some way. I just had a look at my copy of Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm Revolution and there is indeed a Bandai Namco Games logo on the box.

Also, I was not aware that Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm series were generally considered bad. A quick look on Metacritic seems to indicate that they've generally reviewed well with both reviewers and users, though I'm aware this won't be perfectly accurate.

I for one happen to really like the Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm games. It helps that I'm a fan of the Naruto series, but their core gameplay is a very enjoyable as well. Ultimately, it is all a matter of opinions. For another instance, I happened to enjoy Metroid: Other M. It's a pretty fun game in my books.

How childish can some people be? Shame on you for wanting to try out a spinoff! You have to play the main series first! Why? Because I said so!