Strap yourselves in, it's going to be a busy 12 months in the world of Nintendo. Thank goodness, too, as it feels like we've been in a bit of a holding pattern for a number of months. We should also acknowledge that the terribly sad passing of Satoru Iwata also left a shadow over the Summer.
Not that there hasn't been some buzz around Nintendo in terms of games, with some excellent titles coming over the rest of this year and beyond on the Wii U and 3DS; the portable looks particularly busy in the first half of 2016. The New Nintendo 3DS did breath some fresh life into the portable family earlier in 2015, though the Wii U's sales have been modest, and the overall feeling seems to have been one of waiting for the 'next big thing'. The reaction to Nintendo's E3 showings, both immediate and in the weeks that followed, did portray sense of slight malaise and diluted excitement for a number of titles that are spin-offs and sequels.
Part of this perception around the current-gen has been down to Nintendo's own actions, which were taken out of necessity. The announcement of the DeNA partnership earlier in the year was a game changer in Nintendo's efforts with mobile, and that same announcement brought the first official talk of the codenamed Nintendo NX, the dedicated gaming platform that will be next from the company. Objectively it can feel a bit early for 3DS and particularly Wii U to be considering old-hat, but that's the sense we're getting from the talk around the company - we're in a world with an increasingly short memory, and when Nintendo predicts falling or humble sales for those systems (it expects a drop to 7.6 million 3DS sales and just 3.4 million for Wii U this financial year) we can't help but look to what's next.
So today was rather exciting for Nintendo fans, even if there was a reliance on unnamed sources or presumption. We saw a revamped Nintendo Developer Portal (this writer's nerdy enough to find that interesting), while the Nintendo Network ID going down for maintenance soon (which isn't the norm) has triggered talk of a potential arrival for the Club Nintendo replacement. Well, it's due.
The news that's gotten fans most excited, though, has come via the Wall Street Journal, a highly respected publication that - though not always 100% right - has enough clout to be taken seriously. The publication shared its reports from sources that Nintendo NX hardware has started to go out to third parties, fuelling talk that NX could arrive in 2016 due to the "softness" of the Wii U and 3DS markets (see above). These sources seems to re-affirm the prospects of a unified platform containing both home console and portable elements. Based on subtle comments in the past from Satoru Iwata and instinct from looking at technology trends, we've been sharing our view that this will be the case for some time.
Though there have been previous sources and rumours around the NX, this does feel like the most legitimate piece of detail since E3, when hardware (of an unspecified nature in reports) was apparently shown to key partners. We should certainly engage our caution from this point - along with healthy use of the Rumour tag - however, as this also feels like the starting gun for rampant speculation to kick in until Nintendo actually reveals the platform; that unveiling is apparently going to wait until next year.
Talk of "industry-leading chips", for example, will surely bring lots of talk about CPU speeds, gigaflops and all manner of shenanigans last seen when people were trying to compare PS4 and Xbox One. There'll likely be zero solid information, too, as even the Wall Street Journal can't name sources for fear those same sources will lose their jobs for breaking NDAs (non disclosure agreements). We're well and truly going into the rabbit hole.
In truth, though, all of this talk around NX and Nintendo's move into mobile, and maybe even a little about Quality of Life (QoL), isn't a bad thing. The fact is that courtesy of system and software performance in the past 1-2 years Nintendo has fallen lower down the ladder in a lot of mainstream gaming conversation outside of Japan. Rival systems are packed with big-budget triple-A multiplatform titles and hog the headlines - especially in the West, where home consoles dominate the media. Once you step away from Nintendo-based websites you see relatively little talk about Wii U and 3DS, and retail stores seem to keep decent space for 3DS and amiibo, while pushing Wii U further to the back.
Nintendo is still very relevant and important, of course, the lifetime sales for 3DS and consumer appetite for amiibo reinforce that; yet it could do with making more headlines, asserting itself even more into the public's consciousness. That's why the next 12 months are so vital, with NX and mobile in particular being big moves - expect Pokémon Go to get plenty of attention, too. These are releases that will be spoken about, and it's important that Nintendo amplifies the noise - and hype - as much as possible. It's not always been the Nintendo 'way' to shout from the rooftops but, frankly, the world is an increasingly noisy and cutthroat place. It needs to scream the house down.
We used the phrase 'new era' in another Talking Point less than a month ago, with our sense of déjà vu prompting us to check our database. Yet actually, we kept it in this headline and make no apology for it - Nintendo bounced back from a slightly disappointing generation beforehand with spectacular Wii and DS success, and now aims to do so again. Yet the game has changed, technology and the consumer scene has evolved almost unrecognisably in the past five years. In jumping into mobile with DeNA and others, and preparing the NX to try and regain a substantial portion of the dedicated gaming market, Nintendo is entering a vital high-stakes period.
It clearly knows this, and the sense is of a company ready to embrace diversification, IP development and new ideas - this started under Satoru Iwata, and Tatsumi Kimishima has spoken about continuing that vision under his Presidency. The next 12 months genuinely could be the instigation of a new era for Nintendo.
We're not saying that the Wii U and 3DS aren't still important; they still have units to sell and - for existing owners - some truly exciting games on the way. We should also be ready for a lot of evolution and change in Nintendo's actions, however. It'll be revealing a new console - possibly its most important yet - and releasing games on iOS and Android. It's going to be unpredictable, occasionally confusing and potentially thrilling. We'll just need to go along for the ride.
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I still will be incredibly surprised if we see the NX get a 2017 release, let alone 2016. At MOST we'll see an unveiling during an early-year Nintendo Direct, then a reveal of the proper name, full functionality demos, and preliminary games list at E3.
I could see them giving the Wii U another 18 months after the NX's first showcase before releasing it. To do otherwise would risk alienating the customers who invested in the Wii U.
Plenty of stuff to talk about. Nintendo's playing the waiting game, they're master trolls.
System will be expensive, controllers/accessories will be expensive, games will be expensive...it'll be all about graphics and 3rd party games...little to no first party...and everyone will start complaining and missing the old Nintendo. lol
I still think this will be primarily a handheld - perhaps with a dongle allowing for use on a television - powered by mobile chips. This would keep it affordable and still fit the handheld/home hybrid "Industry leading hardware" could well mean modern, powerful mobile hardware.
The hype train will go through the roof with a Nintendo Direct announcement!
@manu0 This.
@mookysam tbh that's the only way a hybrid can work ATM without costing too much.
I always get Nintendo predictions completely wrong, so this time I'm just going to enjoy the ride and eagerly await their announcements.
As long as we can do a System Transfer from our 3DS's & Wii U's, I won't complain.
At this point, all I want is some news, any news. New Pokémon announcement, Smash DLC, the rumoured eshop leaks... This long silence is killing me!
@mookysam That's what I was thinking. Only I can't recall any of the new chip names besides Atom. But tablets have much more powerful hardware now than 3DS has. Build for mobile with TV out, like the new Nokia Lumia Win 10 phone. Just give the home dongle some upres and surround sound hardware as the handheld would probably be SD.
@PeterAndCompany Wii U sold 10million, Wii sold 100 million. I don't think Nintendo cares about alienating the 10 million who bought a Wii U, they are going after the 90 million who didn't before they buy a PS4 or X1. And besides, most of those 10 million are diehards, they'll buy NX anyway just b/c it's Nintendo. They only have something to lose by waiting. Losing even more to Sony and Microsoft.
@WebHead That's why it's an ecosystem and not a hybrid. A true hybrid isn't happening.
I think it will be a hybrid which will be touted as the replacement for the 3DS and they will drip feed a few more Wii U titles into 2017/2018 cross made for NX as well to make the Wii U lifespan seem longer before jumping ship to the hybrid console only Nintendo of the future. The current Wii U eShop VC will be available day 1 for NX and they will add to it moving forward so NX will have a healthy amount of content day 1. I think we will see the new Nintendo ID put into place soon which will allow you to transfer any 3DS and Wii U digital purchases to the NX when it is released.
I do not think the NX will allow you to play disc Wii U or cartridge 3DS games though....it will be backwards compatible in digital content only.
Clearly all guesses and Im probably 100% wrong.
Give us a freaking Direct!
I would prefer having at least a 3DS cart slot. Going full digital would require a huge amount of space on the console, some games are 30GB+. The PSTV and Vita already got a problem with their expensive memory cards. At least the PSTV can read physical Vita carts and has access to PS1 and PSP digital games with PS4 streaming.
@PeterAndCompany Why?
Nintendo will have to push the WiiU, 3DS and their new mobile venture pretty darn hard to stay relevant into 2016 as it is. I think the article is actually understating the issue of Nintendo fading out of the conversation, and with attention spans unlikely to grow (ever again I'm afraid), they will end up in a pretty tough spot, where "scream[ing] the house down" might not even be able to do the trick anymore.
I mean, I can see good reasons, why theoretically they shouldn't do it, like giving them time to build a proper launch(-window) line-up for example, also, launching in the middle of a cycle is always a bad idea, as 2-3 years down the line, they will once again be outclassed, but this is not about optimization, this is about survival - not necessarily financial survival, at least midterm, but survival as a relevant brand.
I mean it took Nokia less than those two years (until e.g. 2017) to go from relevant to basically non-existent as far as the public perception went (or really, lack thereof). I'm not saying, that this is the same situation, but it goes to show how quickly decline can become irreversible, even with the backing of an honest to god giant like Microsoft, further down the line. Once you are out of the game, it's incredible hard to get back in - if nothing else, that is the lesson to be learned here.
I actually have hope for the NX. I honestly had no hope after E3 2015. But now, that might change.
I'm excited for the NX if it can replace the WiiU and 3DS and still has good physical controls on the portable console portion...
@rjejr The casual crowd is gone and isn't coming back. Ten years ago, games weren't free, now they are. Simple free-to-play games are all some people need. Nintendo would be stupid to start chasing after that crowd again.
Industry leading chips...
...OMG CRINKLE CUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hype? Vital Era? Sounds just like all that nonsense that people talked about when the WiiU was still in development. Big games, big deals, big tech - all those things that were just made into natural expectations despite not even a handful of these expectations having had a reasonable base to begin with, they contributed towards the disappointment that ensued when the delusion wren't fulfilled, after all.
And now, people start it again - talking about things that aren't clear as if they were, expecting things nobody but their own wishful thinking ever mentioned - and then they're gonna whine about how Santa Nintendo didn't give them exactly what thy wanted.
yeah honestly im not really excited for the NX...i just want them to give me my new Wii U games and then be surprised with the "NX" console/handheld when its actually announced...too many games for me to play to really bother with all the hoopla but my friend @rjejr will be more than happy to set Nintenod straight with what needs to get done! LOL!!
@PeterAndCompany
"I could see them giving the Wii U another 18 months after the NX's first showcase before releasing it. To do otherwise would risk alienating the customers who invested in the Wii U."
How exactly? With Zelda U (still MIA), SMTxFE and a delayed Star Fox? The Wii U has nothing going for it; it's one step short of a deathbed. It's time to accept it. You cannot possibly believe that Nintendo will just shuffle around another 1.5 - 2 years or so on a floundering console. There's no way investors would allow it, I'm sorry. Maintaining the 10 million Wii U owners is the least of their concern at this point. The longer they wait, the more difficult it will be to sway people away from the XOne and PS4.
It's going to be an incredibly difficult launch coming out mid-gen, especially to get all the games finished in time for launch or soon after, but alas this is where they are. If NX releases in 2017, no one will bat an eye at it. The PS4 and Xone will be in their prime by that point. Nintendo has to cut the cord on the Wii U asap.
Whatever nx is, I will most likely buy one asap. However, my 300+ game wii u and 150+ 3ds will still get plenty of use I'm sure.
If I could speculate, I would love to see nx be something like an iPhone with buttons. I hate carrying my iPhone in one pocket and 3ds in the other. Beef up the power and make it able to stream to your tv and have separate controllers for multiplayer. In my opinion, don't abandon the compatibily of the wii accessories. I loved how the day smash wii u came out, I had enough controllers to play 8 person from classic controllers and 3ds to wii motes. I know they said nx is starting from 0...but I can hope too.
@MoonKnight7 At least this time around there will be Wii U titles released up through the end of the system's lifespan, unlike the Wii which was Skyward Sword, some late NA localisations and an open desert of nothing else.
Also calling it now: Zelda U will come to NX, but it's not a port like Twilight Princess. It will be Zelda U Remastered available at system launch, and will be pushing boundaries by being the first remaster to release at the same time as the original.
The NX needs a 3D third person Pokémon MMO on day one.
@IceClimbers
Haha, yeah I've believed that Zelda will pull the duel release for a while too (whatever it ends up being, port or remaster). I didn't feel that way in the beginning, but I changed my mind after E3 2015.
Quite frankly, I just still say Zelda U because I'm tired of arguing it with people who still think that a unique Zelda game is an ironclad rule Nintendo must follow for every console.
I think the Quality of Life stuff has perhaps been shelved. Their console and handheld were both struggling, so they figured they had to move into another area in order to keep making the big profits they'd grown used to. Now they've decided to move into mobile, the big profits will roll back in. No need to go dabbling in an area they know little about.
I still think there's huge potential in QoL, particularly the mental health area, but so many other companies have now already gobbled up the physical fitness piece of that pie. It's also a very different market to games. It would be titles along the lines of Wii Fit and Brain Training, and that's it.
Zelda U will come out before the NX. If the NX gets announced next year I really cannot see the NX coming out next year since they will be too busy milking the mobile scene and besides when was the last time a company announced a console and ended the presentation with "..available after this direct." It doesn't happen like that.
Well... I will hope for the best, but expect the worst. From the looks of it, the NX will be competing for the hardcore crowd, but with features that the twins don't have. Since the PS3 era, Nintendo's always been the "plus" system. Heck, even they said it themselves. I just hope that it comes out of the gate swinging. Nothing off-brand, no gimmicks. Just straight, authentic Nintendo.
I'm not sure what to make of the rumours, I've little interest in being able to take my console with me or indeed having a second screen and wouldn't want one to compromise the other as this could do. I'll have to wait and see for now and I'd dearly love another great Nintendo home console.
I'm too disappointed by the lack of effort on the Wii U to even think about the next Nintendo console.
It says on mynintendonews that the dev kit comes with a demo throwing so many polygons around it cannot run at 60 fps on a current pc! More hype.
If all these rumors are true, then we do have another DS on our hands in terms of "make or break" this company.
Plus remember if Nintendo ever really did need $500,000,000 to $1,000,000,000 they could sell the Mariners.
@BinaryFragger I wouldn't worry. They are making the right moves by promoting their IP in new territories like Mobile Phones, Toys, Theme Parks and TV/Film. Granted most of it is talk at the moment, but they seem to be moving in the right direction. Nintendo are not solely focusing on the NX but more on their brand I think.
Whenever whatever they'll release there'll be room for it next to my Wii and Wii U under the TV, and only for them.
NX will not be a hybrid 2 in one.
one console, one handheld, one OS.
The NX console has to launch for $250 or less, if it plans to sell decently.
Anything over $250 and you will wind up with a console selling as much as Wii U.
The handheld will need to be priced at $150 or less to gain good market traction.
They will share the same OS and development architect and 90% of the same library.
Nintendo needs to make sure they have traditional IPs right out of the gate, focusing on new IPs early in the life of either hardware will definitely alienate gamers, who will feel abandoned due to the focus on new IPs.
With this all said, Sony has claimed a lot of the PS4 sales are from former Xbox 360 and Wii owners last gen.
Whatever happens I'll buy the NX but they need to sort out the voice chat! And online gameplay this is current and future gen! Not casual party games and micro game compilations.
@Xenocity
I dont think it's a matter of price... but a matter of value... a new NX would sell just fine at $400 if it had a perceived value..
Wii U never felt like a good value at $350 especially compared to PS4 at $400
so many features were missing from wii U (and still are) and that really makes it feel not as valuable as a PS4.
I expect NX to launch at or near $350 again.
@Lord
Their online system is fine, it's not any worse than PC and PSN.
The online features including Voice Chat is left up to the developers, Nintendo doesn't force them to use any features they don't want.
@Lord They need to get rid of region locked online multiplayer! (Glares at Tri Force Heroes)
@Maggots
Nintendo's brand does not command a price premium like Sony does.
Those who traditionally buy Nintendo are extremely price sensitive.
Nintendo is going to go on a mass market price to gain traction.
Nintendo needs to build a big user base fast in order to convince 3rd parties to jump on board.
@Megumi I agree except for the first party part and games there always expensive.
Hype train needs to slow down and conserve fuel; we don't need another bumpy ride with a wreck at the end.
@Grumblevolcano
You do know PS4, PS3, PS Vita, and Steam all have some games that have region locks, it's left up to the developer.
PSN DLC is also region locked too.
Steam store is also region locked too.
@XenocityI dunno... I don't think you can party chat and pm and easly add friends like PSN and PC.
@Xenocity
It's definitely worse than those two in certain ways (though slightly better than PSN in certain ways as well). It has the potential to be good, but they keep tying it down and allowing it to stagnate.
@DavidReid89
Wii U you just have to know the user name and add them.
It sends an add request once you hit the add button
You can also PM anyone on your friends list, you jut have to load Miiverse click messages button and then click the friend you wish to PM.
Party Chat is best on XBL and PC that use Microsoft's protocols due Microsoft's patents.
I'm not exactly ready for the next-gen for a number of reasons. One is mainly where I stand in my life, another that I think that as I move forward with each iteration of console or handheld I tend to leave back a ton of games I missed in the past. I may wait out the NX just so I can look back at all the old games I missed. I bought a lot of GameCube games in the Wii's lifetime early. And I'm starting to do the same with the Wii U.
@AVahne
i fail to see how it is worse than PSN and stagnating...
The only difference is Nintendo leaves it up to the developers to use what they want.
3rd parties hate it when Nintendo forced stuff on them.
The real crime is you have to pay $50 a year for PSN to play online on your PS4 and Sony can't seem to stop regular outages (both regional and global).
@Xenocity I said about removing region locked online multiplayer. Pretty sure the other companies don't block you from playing with other parts of the world (e.g. playing with someone in NA if you live in the UK). Nintendo however has done that with a fair few games such as Mario Tennis Open and Zelda Tri Force Heroes.
I don't want to be a pessimist but Nintendo has made so many poor decisions lately that I need to see concrete evidence of what the NX can really do and what Nintendo's goals for it are before I can be hype for it.
If they really make a Wii 3, in essence, another console that's cheaper to manufacture to maximize profit, and has a marketing goal of appealing to everyone but hardcore gamers, than I would have nothing to be hype about.
@Xenocity
I agree they need to gain a fanbase and quickly... and price could affect that for sure... But I still stand by the perceived value must be high for anyone to buy it. 20 million PS4's sold on hype alone because despite the $400 price tag... the console was perceived as the most powerful, fastest, fully featured, out of all the 3 (even though it had very little going for it software wise for months). Consumers don't mind spending money if they get their money's worth.
With that being said I do agree that Nintendo tries to aim for the best value for price. They always try to make it affordable, and I would love it if it was priced at $299 or lower. $300-$400 is the sweet spot for consoles right now and I dont think there is a reason that Nintendo couldnt launch a decent spec'd console with a cool new hook at a price high enough for them to make a profit. SO LONG as it is valuable enough to the consumer.
So many people are hyping this NX,cause of the rumors going around. But they were the first ones who didn't want know anything about it! Jesus
@Grumblevolcano
PSN and Steam allow developers to region lock their online modes.
There many games on PS4 that have region locked online play, most recently Mortal Kombat X (probably more since then). There are at least 10+ games on PS4 that have it due to developers not wanting worldwide online play.
PS3 has a good chunk of it's library with region locked online multiplayer.
Steam even sees games like Mortal Kombat X featuring region locked online multiplayer (a good chunk of Steam's library is region locked).
Steam even region locks the store, so you cannot buy from other regions.
You are locked to the region, you first access Steam from.
Nintendo Network allows developers to region lock online multiplayer if they wish.
The majority of first party games and 3rd party games have worldwide online multiplayer.
Some 1st party 3rd party games are region locked including Injustice and Triforce Heroes (this is due to language barrier)
So it's not Sony, Steam, or Nintendo's fault if 3rd parties region lock online multiplayer.
@Xenocity
Worse in the way that they still use a system tied "account system". There's also no way to browse through all the games they have on the shop like on PSN, Steam, and even the Wii. eShop was supposed to be a big upgrade from the Wii shop and DSi shop and in some ways it is, however they removed some of the standard features that those older systems had.
Also on the point of region lock:
PS3 had region-lock, but was left up to developers. Many devs chose not impose the lock that much. Nintendo CLAIMS it's the same with the 3DS, but almost every single game is locked (I think the only thing that isn't is a freaking museum guide). There's something very off there.
As far as I know, PS4 is region-free. Sony said it is and I'm inclined to believe that unless given an example.
Vita however, I KNOW is region-free. The ONLY "region-lock" is with the PSN Store, which is a completely different situation from the hardware lock that Nintendo is so infatuated by. Heck, even then you can just use another memory card and switch the system region to another region to access that region's online store. Certain games like Phantasy Star Online 2 can even receive updates even when the system's PSN is set to the wrong region.
I do agree about Sony doing something as weird as charging for online play on PS4 when it's free on PS3 and Vita.
@Maggots
Nintendo no matter how hard they try, their systems are seen for kids and families by the 3rd parties, retailers, and the general public in the West.
Due this a high price for their systems would be viewed as a huge issue.
Sony has the brand and public image that allows them to get away with high prices as Sony is seen as a luxury brand
@AVahne
We were talking region locks regarding online multiplayer.
With that said it was always said that 3rd parties demanded region locks as a condition for 3DS support.
3rd parties hated the fact that NA consumers and EU consumers imported and pirated a lot of DS games, thus wanted to kill both the piracy and import markets.
@GrailUK The new Zelda game is most likely going to be on both the Wii U and NX. See Twilight Princess, most successful Zelda title because it was on two systems. Nintendo will release the NX next year, E3 2015 consisted of poor Wii U showing and they can not wait until 2017 to release the NX.
@maukenboost
I could see new zelda on both... but TP sold 7 million on wii and 1.5 on GameCube...
Wii Version is most successful without the help of it's GameCube counterpart
I can never understand why Nintendolife isn't considering how the GBA didn't sell as well as GB can be the same way as the 3DS not selling as well as the DS. Look, if the Wii U is a loss, then how come the games are selling like a million? If it was a total failure, it would be on par with the Virtual Boy.
Whatever it is, it shouldn't have the word "Wii" in it.
@maukenboost We will see. Remember TP worked as a dual release because the Wii and Gamecube were practically the same. If the NX has different architecture and a lot more powerful then it becomes a different proposition. Maybe a Wii U release next year and a Game of the Year Edition later on NX but not a simultaneous release.
@GrailUK I can still see a dual release happening, but it is possible they toss it on the NX alone. I don't see them having it exclusive on the Wii U.
Look at all these armchair CEOs.
@Octane @Savino Do you guys realize how many billion with a B $ have been spent on Skylanders? Do you realize how many more billion are going to be spent on Lego Dimensions? Which one of you is going to tell me those 2 games are for the hard core crowd?
And if the casual crowd has left, who keeps buying those yearly iterations of Just Dance? The casuals haven't gone away, they just haven't upgraded their hardware b/c all the games they play are still releasing on consoles they already own, Wii, PS3 and Xbox360. Once games stop being made for those older consoles they will upgrade, they aren't going to stop gaming on their 70" tvs.
The question is, what do they upgrade to? Not $300 consoles, but when this Gen hits $199 they'll buy. Unless they buy an Apple TV or Google Play or Roku or Amazon Fire first. But there will be games played on tvs always. Just not on $400 consoles.
I doubt it will launch in 2016. But even if it does, I won't buy it until a year or two in.
@GrunkFace
This.
I'm not thinking much beyond the Pokemon Z announcement atm.
Bring! It! On!
@Xenocity Finally, someone else who, like me, hates passionately this "online play beyond paywall" stupidity. That's why I have yet to purchase a ps4 and, if things don't change, I never will.
@andrea987
I never said I hated it.
I was just pointing out how bad PSN is on PS4 even though you pay $50+ a year for it (Depending on where you live).
Also those you lose those free games once your PS+ subscription lapses or is canceled.
But yeah I don't believe in paying for online gaming, I think it's ridiculous.
@KingofSaiyans
Don't you go equating XBL to PSN.
XBL is leagues better than PSN, PSN barely keeps with Steam and barely beats out Nintendo Network.
3rd party support has nothing to do with horsepower.
I really want a Club Nintendo subscription like XBL or PSN but I realize that is unlikely. I love Nintendo because they are so different, even if it's frustrating at times. Sooner or later, the lid will blow off this speculation. Hopefully the payoff will be worth the wait.
@PeterAndCompany People who just bought a Wii U might be annoyed, but they are the types that wait a long time, right? So, they can wait again, I guess. Not that biggadeal. — Oh, @rjejr covered this...
@rjejr
All-in-one style fusion device is exactly what this rumor is debunking, right? It's a console and a standalone handheld, not everything stuffed in a GamePad like @Kirk wants. To me, that's a beautiful thing but I don't know how the bundling/pricing will be worked out. We've talked about it before, though. Maybe, sell the handheld first so a bunch of people have them and then sell the console alone for those who have it or with the handheld bundled.
@Xenocity Who should pay for online gaming, then? It costs tons of money to pay people to keep servers up and running and run support and all of that. Just want the game prices to be higher? I mean... you're still paying for it. DLC like with Mario Kart? Still paying for it. Personally, I'd prefer if we had a shift in attitude towards consumers that valued transparency and understanding rather than slight of hand and trickery. Consumers started it with piracy, so maybe they can help end it, but they'd rather be fooled into thinking some services should be "free."
I've been on this hype train too many times. The scenery is a bit different each trip, but the last couple of destinations have been disappointing.
Just need to see where we end up and not believe all the travel brochures.
NX is a working title, the final product will be named 'Nintendo 128'. hehe.
N64 wasn't actually 64bit either, it's dual 32-bit cores so 32 x 2 = 64 bit to Nintendo. It's a marketing trick that worked, since consumer thought it's twice the power of the 32 bit system. NX can have a 64 bit chip in the home unit and another 64 bit chip in the mobile unit, they added up to 128. Yes it's truly revolutionary industry leading!
Calling it: the Nintendo Cloud... The mobile hardware used to boost console performance
Anyway up to 25GB of space from disks + adding each DLCs and extra updates stack fast for digital only.
Plot twist: the NX is an handheld that sends an HD stream to the Wii U that has an hardware decoder and sends it to the TV...
@aaronsullivan In general, if the price is not unreasonable (and in the case of Nintendo games it isn't) paying once and for all for the games and its online services is much better for the consumer who uses them in the long term or wants to play them again after a few months. I started playing again Mario Kart 8 recently because I could afford a simple router with proper port forwarding (my ISP router was deliberately keeping some ports closed, even if I set it to open them). With a subscription based model I don't know if I would have paid the renewal of the subscription. It's like having something that is yours versus having something that is borrowed by you and you have to give back after a certain amount of time. This is one of Nintendo's selling points for the Wii U (literally: it's on their brochures and rightfully so, as you are perfectly right in saying that the cost of maintaining the servers is higher than what we think). It also helps building online communities that last.
All of the recent news on the NX is really interesting. My one hope is that Nintendo decides to market the system correctly by pricing it appropriately, keeping it up to pace with the competition, getting third parties on boat, and obviously advertising it. For now, I'm just excited for the Wii U games coming out both this holiday season and next year.
"The reaction to Nintendo's E3 showings, both immediate and in the weeks that followed, did portray sense of slight malaise and diluted excitement for a number of titles that are spin-offs and sequels."
LMAO! More like it caused rioting in the online streets and inspired torch and pitchfork rallied bouts of intense anger against Nintendo's blunders. Not to mention the... Shall we say... "Federation Force Defense Force"...
"It's not always been the Nintendo 'way' to shout from the rooftops but, frankly, the world is an increasingly noisy and cutthroat place. It needs to scream the house down."
Nintendo WAS loud back in the 80s and 90s. (One of their slogans back then even showed this: PLAY IT LOUD!) It's only recently that Nintendo has been more quiet and reserved. Perhaps that's partially due to Iwata's leadership, but Nintendo certainly is less bombastic than in the past. I would chalk that up to maturity, though I think they do need to reinstate their N64 era policy of spending at least $100 on marketing for every console shipped. They cannot repeat their nonexistent marketing situation that the Wii U had.
@Spectra_Twilight https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_game_card
3DS cards go up to 8GB. Nintendo just has a habit of refusing to use them for titles that could use them, like Fire Emblem Fates, with the only notable exception thus far being Xenoblade 3D.
@PlywoodStick Why would Fire Emblem Fates need an 8GB card?
@Aromaiden To remove the need to have two separate carts for two parts of the same game. (Although there is an 8GB "Special Edition" cart with both parts on it, but it's sold at a premium with other goodies, no option for just the cart on it's own.)
@PlywoodStick Well they're not two parts of the same game; they only share the first six chapters (tutoriaI). Although, I wouldn't mind them putting them together (like they did in Japan) so I wouldn't have to purchase both separately.
@Aromaiden Ah well, I talked about it at length in the past. I'll let the poor dead horse rest in peace.
@PlywoodStick Yeah I guess, agree to disagree and whatnot. Best to not beat that poor dead horse any longer.
This is like deja vu. I recall these same conversations when the Wii U was an unknown entity. Pure speculation reigned. That's life in a ninty fan's world.
@xenocity
Nintendo spent a great deal of time and money promoting their "for kids and family" image. In many ways this is what is biting them on the backside because no one can do "kiddie" like Nintendo.
Nintendo need to market the NX as an "all round" gaming system because I really don't see much mileage left in the "kiddie" system as the Wii U clearly proves. The kiddie console age is over.
Meanwhile, other non-Nintendo gamers are having a talking point about microtransactions and how companies are starting to use them in $60 AAA games (not including any DLC or season pass either). Those 300 microtransactions in Rise of the Tomb Raider are ridiculous.
@IceClimbers Yeah, that's one of the reasons the NX will be the first Nintendo console I don't get at launch. With the recent trends in mobile style microtransaction games, I worry about Nintendo allowing in even more egregious microtransactions and DRM (probably influenced by the DeNA capital alliance). If they do, I'll be skipping the NX entirely.
@aaronsullivan @Captain_Gonru Yeah, I'm still undecided, 1 or 2 pieces. But I've deleted my long rambling reply to spare you guys.
I think I've become so focused on Nintendo cone of silence that I don't even care, just want them to speak. Though I know we'll get nothing until Feb about NX, need a few Christmas sales, NA just got new 3DS. And it's getting kind of late for a Wii U price cut with Yoshi out today. I'm going to bed.
edit - AC:aF is out Nov 13, and with HHD doing insane business in Japan maybe they think that's the time for a price drop, with Mario Tennis Nov 20. Seems late to me, but it kinda sorta makes sense with holiday shopping.
So are rumours Nintendo's way of talking now?
@MoonKnight7 They already said they will support the Wii U after the Nx launch.
@ikki5 Yeah they seem to communicate through rumours, leakers and hackers now.
I really hope the keep the name "NX" for this new console, I really like it. And I hope this new console is both a handheld and home system combination. that would be incredibly convenient. I'm thinking they would have to sell it in two different packages, one package just selling the portable part for extra controllers.
The replacement for Club Nintendo is going to be an indicator of how Nintendo is going to approach their new generation. If the community doesn't like it, it could show signs Nintendo's still a bit out of touch.
I just want Pikmin 4 for the WiiU. Than Nintendo can kill it off if they wish. Its highly unlikely I will get the NX. I'm just not into consoles that much anymore.
After careful consideration and applying many grains of salt, I think I can say my body is ready.
While I am sad that the Wii U never did and probably never will reach its full potential and that it's life span was considerably short (especially for this guy who only got one last year), I'm excited for some change.
For multiple reasons we are all more than aware of, the Wii U simply didn't work this generation and I'm glad to hear that Nintendo is ready to fight its way back into the market. It needs a strong re-entry and I feel that these past few long months of silence (and major IP delays) indicate Nintendo is concocting some vicious plans to strike back. With the Wii U's ill fate and other set-backs like Mr. Iwata's passing, I think they are taking a conscious session of R&R while cutting their losses and making ready to move in and reclaim their throne at the top of the gaming industry.
Now...my thoughts on the NX rumors so far...I think I like what I'm hearing for several reasons: 1) One of the things I've always loved about Nintendo is their consistent support for backwards compatibility and the NX setup, if it is indeed what we hear, would facilitate that perfectly. Some kind of mobile controller would naturally have a touchscreen and thus when connected to the console, could perfectly support Wii, Wii U, and all of the DS family games, which for me, would automatically make the premature shift from Wii U suddenly welcome and fantastic, assuming everything previously purchased could transfer on over. 2) Nintendo fans have for several generations, been a little starved for raw power. Now I am anything but a graphics elitist, in fact, I quite prefer the old-school vibe, but Nintendo releasing a powerhouse comparable with their competitors would certainly not hurt their case and clear the way again for 3rd party developers as well as some incredible 1st party experiences. 3) If in the next generation the home console and the portable console were one, the gaming possibilities would greatly increase but it would also justify the inevitable higher-than-normal price tag Nintendo would have to ask for if it uses the above mentioned "industry-leading chips".
Anyway...I'm excited to see what they have to offer and as always...I will be there at the forefront supporting them.
Just some of my...many thoughts.
I see this functioning like the Wii U but with a GamePad that you can take with you and play mobile games with, but not full-on console games. I think we will see it in late 2016. I am saving right now...
Expect these titles.
Zelda Wii U, Will be cross gen.
Pikman 4
Mario Galaxy 3
I think having backward compatibility holds a new console back and creates problems. Remember the days when you got a new console and you just accepted you needed to buy new games ...... I miss those days. I know that may upset a few. The NX has to launch for xmas 2016, it has to be at least as powerful as the PS4, with a "normal" controller (Wave bird 2 would do the trick) and a cracking set of games at launch. Without ANY of these the NX will flop and cause Nintendo major problems.
They really have to release NX by the end of 2016. Even if they do it "that early", it's incredibly hard to get back into game. By that point PS4 and Xbone have been on the market for 3 years. And they really need to have a lot of games coming, 1st party and 3rd party. I don't really mind the long waits between new Nintendo releases because of the backlog of games I have but there are a lot of people who do.
@PeterAndCompany NX will be out by Christmas 2016. Nintendo have been very quiet on the game making front for too long.
My 10 cents on NX is
My opinion is that Nintendo needs to make big moves to come back in the first place but mainly to shake off the stigma of the "second best".
1. Make a powerfull console. It is not necessary to make a monster 10 times better than the PS4 but not much worse. And make it x86. No developer will give time and resources to make the game on a different platform, much weaker that no user will prefer.
2. The innovation is good but not always. The new ways of controllers in the Wii and Wii U are great but there are games that are unplayable. Trying play FIFA and NBA 2K with the Wii Remote was like torture while personally Injustice (and generally fighting) with slipper tablet, was tedious. You need and classic controller from scratch.
3. Online services. No codes and crap. You want it to be free; Good for you. Do not make it so robust as the PSN / Live. But personally I would give 40 euros a year to have excellent online, demo, DLC etc.
4. Beautiful and smooth UI console
5. Smart apps. Tablet / Smartphone apps with videos reviews, cheats, forums, chat miscellaneous. MiiVerse was fun. Make it cloud based and give access from Android / iOS and PC. To chat at night before I sleep and read about new Metroid achievements or who beat whom in Smash would be a dream.
6. Nintendo owns games that are like made for tablet years before touch screens. Mario Party, Wario Microgames, Toad and dozens more. Make them available for tablets. Or you think rhe Angry birds kart is better than the Mario Kart; Nintendo can create lite versions of major titles or even mini games (example an open world zelda where you use your smartphone to make various herbs grow in the "garden" that will be needed for potions etc etc)
7. Last but not least. LET 3RD PARTY DEVELOPERS BREATHE.
@rjejr they'll wait until the NX launch to drop the price to $150.
@Captain_Gonru
My personal hope is that they don't try to cram the thing into something that's supposed to be mobile and call it a console just because you can get it to output to your TV. Too many compromises and you can kiss the "industry leading" chips goodbye (unless you apply that against the mobile space only in which case I am disappoint).
@Mister_Wu I'm not denying the benefits and competitive value of Nintendo's approach just speaking more broadly against your statement that you thought "paying for online gaming is ridiculous."
You know what be great? 3DS controller for the NX...
All the jokes aside... I hope that the NX will bring back nintendo to the gaming mainstream scene otherwise it might start to loose relevance.
@amiiboacid
"They already said they will support the Wii U after the Nx launch."
Well sure that's what they said. You really expect them to be truthful here?? Just like they supported the Wii after the Wii U was launched?? That's about as close to a lie as you can get. The Wii actually had the sales to warrant continuing support, and they didn't. It died within the year, getting nothing more than Skylanders and Just Dance ever since. It's a PR spin, so don't believe what they say.
You expect Nintendo to support the Wii U once NX comes out, with only 10% of the audience they had 3-4 years ago?? How on earth do you expect them to support the NX, Wii U and 3DS, when they can't even keep enough games going THIS Holiday season? I'm sorry, there's just no way. Zelda U, if it even releases on the Wii U, will be the swan song.
Once NX gets released, the Wii U will quietly die in a year or less, and Nintendo will be glad to do it.
@aaronsullivan Yeah, it's kinda hard to work out exactly what NX is going to be but based on these reports and a couple of others it sounds to me like it's pretty much just a "next-gen" Wii U but with a GamePad that can now be used as basically a proper portable handheld too.
It's not exactly what I was saying or hoping for but it's somewhat along the same lines, kinda another one of the potential routes I was also thinking, and if it's done right it could actually be cool, but it needs to be done very right to work imo. With my own idea for NX I was really just trying to come up with a solution that I think makes it easier to "do it right", given where Nintendo is at and what I think it needs to fix/address going forward. My idea was basically trying to kill many birds with one stone and at the same time deal with a lot of the problems Nintendo has created for itself that I don't think should have really existed in the first place.
It's a tough one to call but so far I'm not entirely convinced Nintendo is going to do things entirely right with the NX, and might just be setting itself up for another generation of problems, as it were. I'm just slightly wary that Nintendo actually knows what's best for it these days.
NINTENDOOMED!
Sorry, I had to
If the rumours turn out to be true and the NX is the most powerful console on the market for at least 2 or 3 years it will be great to see Nintendo involved in those Digital Foundry articles and regularly coming out on top.The comments section will be gold.I'm sure it will force the others to start the 'next gen' earlier than planned.
@Kirk no reason to be just slightly wary. I'm really happy with the Wii U (having a blast right now with DI 3.0 and Rise against the Empire with kids, @rjejr best play set yet by far), but it's painfully obvious I'm in the minority of gamers and even just a subset of Nintendo fans.
I think the concept of an all-in-one device is great like @captain_gonru is imagining, but Nintendo is belatedly shifting focus towards dedicated gamers and another complete generation behind system isn't going to cut it when going that route.
What has me optimistic is that, like you, I imagined a whole bunch of ideal scenarios when the first inklings of the GamePad started leaking and this current rumor may make all of that possible.
It's also tantalizing that they are finally addressing the account system in a solid way by working with a partner that has experience. And at a time where Nintendo is really starting to have success with online focused games like Splatoon and Mario Maker.
All the positives are balanced with this very awkward and uncertain shift in management at the company during a critical transition and well many other factors we all like to rant about here.
Since the first NX rumours, of it being a united portable/home system, it just clicked with me, it makes so much sense, seeing as they announced a new home system, and in fact we knew that the 3DS was the one that made sense to be replaced, it sold well, its been around for a while, had several hardware revisions and a huge and great quality library of exclusive games, if the Wii U wasn't doing so bad sales wise, they would hold off on it a little longer, I guess thats why they made the New 3DS with faster processor, to keep it going until the Wii U went away, but since there is no point in keep pumping money on the U, they're just gonna come out with it, for Christmas next Year, and I believe this will be another industry trend set by Nintendo, to combine both portable and home system in one, makes so much sense, it will be better for them, as it will be cheaper to produce, market and develop games focusing only in one system and having access to two "markets", and it will be better for the consumer also, will get "two" systems for the price of one, more and cheaper games, and it will get the handheld in people homes without they actually wanting it, so it won't be about, I already own a smartphone and a home system, so even though I would like a dedicated portable system, I don't see it being worth it, you'll just have it in your house as you're buying the home system you want, and then to be able to take your home games out with you, is something that your phone can't do and that you don't want to do on your phone, unless your phone had buttons which you don't want it to have anyway.
I can totally see Sony stealing this concept for whatever replaces the PS4 as well, to be fair thats what they intended with the Vita at one point, even Microsoft might try to get into the handheld market the same way, 'cause it cost effective, just release a compatible portable device and you're there, but if Nintendo just nails the specs and has the multi platform games, it will make the competition irrelavant, this will be good, if I had money to spent I would buy a bunch of Nintendo stock, they'll be worth double of what they're now in a not so distant future...
Talking Point: The NX Hype Will Kill Wii U Sales This Winter
Seriously... I wish people would stop talking about the NX. Ignorant Zelda fans without a Wii U yet are thinking they'll just skip this generation. Nintendo really need to release a trailer or something by the end of this year and reconfirm Zelda is a Wii U exclusive! This along with an exclusive Twilight Princess Wii U bundle with an exclusive decal and bish bash bosh. Perhaps even include an exclusive trailer with Twilight Princess HD or better yet a demo!
I remember thinking when the Wii U came out, that it felt way too early for them to be releasing a new console. To me though it was because I felt like the Wii still had a lot to offer. I feel the same way with the Wii U, but unfortunately it's time for Nintendo to come out with something fresh and new. I'm liking a lot of the rumors I've heard so far, so we'll see.
@aaronsullivan Indeed. My one and probably main worry is that Nintendo might finally realise near perfectly what many envisioned the ideal Wii U system to be from day one BUT by the time it does that it will no longer be the ideal console system relative to its time again.
I guess what I'm saying is if this basically turns out to be the perfect realisation of the great potential of the Wii U then that isn't actual the perfect next-gen Nintendo console at all. It's just another console that's actually a whole generation out of touch with what gamers now expect in this upcoming generation again. It would have been the perfect system to release exactly when the Wii U came out though.
So, I no longer think that a perfectly realised Wii U is actually enough, just like the Wii U basically being the perfect Wii (in a sense, seeing as it fixed most of the issues many of us had with Wii in its own time, and that we raised at that time) wasn't really enough this generation, and the very real worry and fear I have is that this is exactly what Nintendo might be shooting for again. That seems to be what all the signs are pointing to.
It's like Nintendo is working in some kind of time warp that's locked a generation behind everything and everyone else, responding to what people really want a whole generation after they actually want it, and as long as it's stuck only really addressing/fixing the issues that were raised in the last gen and/or current gen but not actually also doing the stuff required/expected for the next gen too, then it can't possibly get it right.
Nintendo particularly, kind of needs to think a whole generation ahead and build a machine that satisfies that future scenario now, so that by the time the next-gen arrives it will ultimately end up with what is really just a machine that is actually what most people genuinely want and expect at that time anyway.
As a simple example: It's like finally giving people unified accounts and cross-play isn't what people want next-gen at all. It's what they expect this-gen. By next-gen people will expect all that kind of stuff by total default, so it won't be impressive or exciting in the slightest when they finally get it on a Nintendo console, it will just be par for the course. But they'll expect a whole bunch of other stuff that's actually next-gen too. Nintendo absolutely needs to nail the basics, the stuff that's expected by default, but it also needs to nail some of the stuff that will be expected as actual next-gen features too, or else it's already setting itself up for another failure in the eyes of the majority of gamers and entertainment consumers imo. That's what Nintendo needs to wake up and understand, and properly address, as far as I'm concerned..
If that makes sense.
@amiiboacid
Nintendo say lots of things that don't turn out to be true. Their history is they dump machines as soon as the successor is out, words are meaningless.
@Donutman Wow, you have twice as many Wii U games than 3DS? That is cool, but seems difficult to achieve!
@Scapetti
"Seriously... I wish people would stop talking about the NX"
You've got a difficult few months ahead then.
"Nintendo really need to release a trailer or something by the end of this year and reconfirm Zelda is a Wii U exclusive!"
Oooh. You've got a really difficult few months ahead!
@Scapetti Yes, I agree.
@MoonKnight7 Zelda U has already been confirmed for Wii U even after the delay. It wasn't even a full delay when they announced it, they just said it might not release this holiday.
@electrolite77 Their history also states that their consoles all have 5-6 year lifespans and they get at least one exclusive Zelda game.
@amiiboacid
No guarantee of anything especially with the Wii U flopping. Just like the things they say is no guarantee of anything.
@electrolite77 Nintendo will need time to prepare for the Nx. It has to have a full range of games at launch, so rushing the console is extremely unwise. A 2017 release is most likely.
That being said, Zelda Wii U is most likely being released next year. It wasn't delayed for the Nx as many people assume. When it was first delayed thr said it might not release this year, meaning they were unsure when it will launch. They said they were adding more content to the game and removing all glitches. Also there's the fact that next year is the anniversary. The only way we can see Zelda U on the Nx is a GOTY edition.
@tetra82
Yes. All of these. Nintendo slept at the wheel during the Wii era, watching the money roll in and convincing themselves they didn't need to lower themselves to competing or keeping up with the industry because they had a market all to themselves and were ever so innovative and clever. How on Earth could they launch a HD machine 7 years behind Microsoft and then complain they hadn't prepared properly for HD development? They must have known for years the next machine after the Wii would be HD. Not to mention Iwata's dreadful mistake in missing out on the rise of Online gaming, amazing for a company with so many games that lend themselves to Online.
Then the casual market discovered Angry Birds and Cut the Rope and ooh look I can use my phone for fitness stuff too....
NX is a chance to change the narrative and catch up a bit. Speak to gamers who are used to
Online Play, Friends Lists, HD Graphics, Achievements, subscription services, voice chat etc. It doesn't have to be hugely powerful. Innovation is great but so is knowing when to steal your competitors ideas. It needs to be out next year too or Nintendo will drift further into obscurity.
@amiiboacid
Realistically they need NX to launch next year. Wii U is dead and being wound down with a Spartan release schedule. 3DS is looking very dated and will have a last hurrah over the next few months. I don't think Zelda was delayed to put it on NX but I do think it'll launch on both simultaneously.
@electrolite77 The Wii U has made Nintendo a profit. It is very small but it exists. The Wii U's existence is not causing harm to Nintendo. Releasing a system unprepared will harm them. They don't need a new revenue to survive at this moment with the Wii U, New 3DS, and mobile coming up, along with their billions of dollars in savings. If the Wii U and 3DS came to a full stop in sales, and they blew through all their money, then the Nx will have to release in 2016. Luckily, that is not the case.
I am so ready for NX! I've had it with the software droughts lately...Nintendo is still my favorite company but I mainly switched to PS4 these past 2 years to have more to play.
What I'm most excited about: Innovation we won't expect, being able to play Pokemon and Animal Crossing on a handheld AND console and possibly even taking Zelda U on the road.
As long as they switch architecture, give us a sleep mode on both versions of the NX, add more share functions like the PS4 has and give us the same OS on both systems...Oh man, the possibilities make me giddy
My jaw will be on the floor if they release the NX in 2017...It should be 2016, they can't stall it any further, E3's list of games is proof of that. And don't start that "but they only show games coming in the next 6months, there are plenty of Wii U blockbusters coming, they've always done it this way." NO THEY HAVEN'T.
Let's hope they've hoarded enough awesome games to prevent another lackluster hardware launch New 3D Mario, Zelda U, possibly the next generation Pokemon or maybe even a Metroid (alongside 1-2 new franchises?)
Gahhh I'm so excited My favorite part of gaming: the excitement of new hardware and software!
@amiiboacid The Gamecube only had 4 years and 6 months in PAL regions and sold significantly more than the Wii U did. They won't have any problems dropping it after 4 years. It's been a disaster for them. I'm sure not even the most pessimistic people running the company would have predicted these sales figures. The more optimistic of them genuinely seemed to believe that it could match the Wii.
@amiiboacid
That just sounds like wishful thinking to me. They could be well prepared for NX for all we know so that isn't a factor. As for the profits, compare the last 4 years to the 25 before that and have a guess if they're happy to prolong the wait for their current machines successor(s).
@Peach64 Most of the world got the Wii 5 years and 3 months after the Gamecube
@AyeHaley So you will be so shocked that your jaw will be on the floor if the Nx is released exactly when it is expected to be released?
@electrolite77 Based on the latest rumor, the Nx is going to be a home console and handheld hybrid. Nintendo just released the New 3DS so that means they want to milk the 3DS further. Why would they release a console right when it's successor is 'just around the corner'? So yeah, they're happy to prolong the wait for it's successor.
Wait, let me rephrase that; They're happy to not shorten the wait for it's succeser. Common sense shows it will release in 2017.
@amiiboacid
Again, I think common sense and wishful thinking are blurring into one. Wii U is Nintendo's second biggest failure, why anybody would want to see them struggle along with that (not to mention the ever-more-dated 3DS) rather than launch a new machine that gives them a greater chance of success is a mystery....
I think the Wii U will become very popular in about 12 years time amongst the retroheads of that time.
@electrolite77 The reason they released the New 3DS was so the 3DS will become less dated. The Nx's chance of success isn't going to drop if it's released in 2017. In fact, I think it will be the opposite of what you said. The common sense I was talking about is the fact it's only going to be announced at next E3. I can't find any logic in Nintendo revealing a console only a few months before it's release.
The first 5 months of 2016 will be critical for anyone who thinks NX will launch in holiday 2016. The NX needs to be announced and detailed PRIOR to E3 2016 in order for a successful 2016 holiday launch. Anyone who thinks Nintendo will fully unveil and detail the NX in June and release it worldwide 4-5 months later is insane.
@mookysam Agreed. I think the NX will be more of a game hub that houses games and streams them to your TV via dongles, similar to Chromecast. They will also sell you a handheld device to download from the hub to take on the go. The handheld will then sync with the hub when back in range. You can then fire up the game on the TV and continue with your current save. The handheld can also serve as a gamepad to maintain Wii U compatibility. Just my theory.
@mookysam Agreed. I think the NX will be more of a game hub that houses games and streams them to your TV via dongles, similar to Chromecast. They will also sell you a handheld device to download from the hub to take on the go. The handheld will then sync with the hub when back in range. You can then fire up the game on the TV and continue with your current save. The handheld can also serve as a gamepad to maintain Wii U compatibility. Just my theory.
@amiiboacid
Has releasing the New 3DS made the machine look any less dated? I'm not convinced. It has one dedicated game and that doesn't look great compared to a lot of the top mobile games.
As for only having a few months between reveal, well, see Xbox One and PS4. See the Gamecube-hardware reveal November 2000, software first shown May 2001, launch September 2001. DS was shown at E3 2004 and launched late 2004. N64 controller and games first shown November 1995 for a planned April 1996 launch (that became July). The long gap between Wii U's reveal and launch did it no favours. Even the Wii which was revealed in stages didn't have any software shown until E3 5 months before launch.
There's historical precedent either way. In marketing terms a shorter gap means less time to keep people interested. Reveal the machine, show some games, shops start taking pre-orders. Easier to build hype momentum.
As long as Nintendo keeps some support going for Wii U, even if just VC, Wii games or ports of Unity-developed mobile games, there's no shame in Wii U lasting the same length of time as the Saturn or original XBox.
Bring it on I say. Time to bury the rotting corpse that is the Wii U & start fresh. I look forward to playing the next Zelda game on NX, hopefully on or close to launch. Fingers crossed for a normal controller!
@Xenocity lol no that online is garbage lmao. It's 2015 and I can't create a lobby where me and my friends jump in together and no cross chat? GTFO with that noise lol.
@westman98 that was the case for Xbox 360. PS4 and X1 also did something very similar being announced in Feb-mar but then releasing in November.
I'm not believing any of the hybrid 2016 nonsense until Nintendo says something about it.I will keep on believing in a separate console future.I remember all of the Wii U rumors that did not turn out to be true.
The NX is a small white console about the size of the GameCube but not as tall. There is a recess on the top that will hold a 3ds and an Amiibo connection point, and a slot at the front to insert a disk. The controller will be the main feature it will look like, but be better than the Wii u pro controller with added features.
The slot will be for existing Wii u disks but not new ones. The NX and the 3ds will be compatible, some games will play on both so you can start a game on the NX and continue it on the 3ds anywhere you have a wi fi connection. The 3ds screen will also replace the gamepad screen. Graphics will be of a much higher resolution than the Wii u and will be a major selling point.
New games will be download only, which will help to keep the price lower. There may also be an option to rent games via download. There will be at least 50gb storage with cloud storage also available.
Sometime in 2017/2018 there will be a new 3ds with a larger screen and more features, and will match and connect with the NX.
Nintendo NX to be world's first hollow, disposabe console. "It's whatever you can imagineer it to be!", says Miyamoto with a wink. "Tiny and unique experiences, just for you. Never to be repeated or seen again. Do not tell anyone what you put inside."
@Spectra_Twilight Hard to say, the New 3DS cart specs are not well known. Xenoblade 3D does come in at 3.6GB, but that's probably due to compression...
@617Sqn Mega Drive was backwards compatible with Master System, Game Boy Color and Advance were backwards compatible with Game Boy, Playstation 2 was backwards compatible with Playstation 1, DS was backwards compatible with GBA, Wii was backwards compatible with Gamecube... etc. Backwards compatibility is always a good thing, it used to be a driving force in convincing people to buy a new system.
It certainly helped adoption rates of the PS2 and DS to become the best selling consoles ever. Not having backwards compatibility in the cartridge slot was probably one of the primary reasons the Saturn flopped outside of Japan. It's not a good thing to lack backwards compatibility.
@aaronsullivan Your point is fine, but I never stated that paying for online is ridiculous, it's quite obvious since online services have a maintenance cost. On the contrary I said that Nintendo approach is great!
Just when it looked extremely dark for Nintendo they realised they have to focus on outstanding hardware and good software again like in the old days. I've said a thousand times that the only way they could do it was saying goodbye to developing different hardware and different software and focussing on just one thing. After all, Nintendo has many competitors, more than ever. They couldn't handle it. I see this like a brand new start and I have faith in their new vision. In the meantime, they can give us effortless deals like Virtual Console (eShop) games that have not been released yet for Wii U/3DS.
I hope the NX will at least avenge the Wii U failure.
@Mister_Wu yup, Sorry mixed you up with @Xenocity. That must have felt odd from your point of view.
The problem for Nintendo for the last few years has been they have had to support two systems with games simultaneously with 3DS and Wii U. If NX is a Portable/Home console then Nintendo will only need to focus making games for the one system. And now that the have combined both their Home and Portable divisions that should mean NX will not suffer the same kind of game droughts that have plagued the Wii U.
What they will really need with the launch of NX (really digging that name btw ) is have a decent line up of games. Hopefully Retro Studios will have a Metroid title ready to go.
My previous thoughts seem null when concerning the NX and this is why:
Instead of a combo system where the base does one thing, the handheld does another and the two work together to push the envelope, I am leaning now in a much different direction.
Consider this possibility:
Nintendo can't compete with the PS4 / XB1.
3 years just isn't going to be enough time to convince people that those systems are outmoded.
And frankly, future improvements are miniscule at best.
You can improve load times, frame rates and textures, but a lot of that still comes down to a competent dev, one thing that can be easily remedied with time and experience.
The entire industry is looking for a reboot and my idea (something I see Nintendo implementing) could just be that necessary idea.
One major (yet insubstantial) issue with the Wii U is that the Gamepad was mandatory, no?
That the majority of devs see and saw it as unnecessary and cumbersome, yes?
What if the Gamepad was better made, more easily accessible and truly innovative? As in, what if the Gamepad was the all-in-one, be all end all, without the need for a TV OR a base station?
I'm talking, (graphically) the step up from the Vita, systematically the follow-up to the 3DS (New and original alike) and the culmination in all the Wii U's best ideas.
A handheld console in the truest sense with one MASSIVE difference: plug and play with any display device and multiplayer with any other NX system.
Imagine it, if you will: connecting multiple systems to a single hub and combining local and online multiplayer on a single stage.
Forfeiting the restrictions and locks of the past to truly open the doors for
asynchronous play, with 1 or 1 million unique players.
Mobile games are very succinct, individual and isolated experiences (with or without multiplayer). The one thing they lack is depth, with no real connectivity between players. The player has become a series of codes and while social media provides a bridge between gamers, the expanse is still immense.
Nintendo, more than anyone else, brings people under the same roof together in various gaming arenas. With titles like Splatoon, Mario Maker, and (from what I've seen and played) Xenoblade X, Nintendo is finally branching out beyond the living room.
Why not combine the two?
With that kind of option driving the next gen Nintendo system forward, the NX could really be what gaming needs: fluidity, when all around is solidity and rigidity.
With all that said, I wish Nintendo and their fans all the best moving forward. I hope that those loyal supporters will find hope and optimism alike. And if nothing else, try something new and find what makes you happy.
Thanks Nintendo Life, for being so entertaining and so brutally honest.
It will be remembered fondly, I can assure you of that.
It has been a rather chaotic 2 years and now, looking back, I can honestly say it was time well spent.
Even if my views and opinions were not always the easiest to hear (or read, sorry I'm so unable to break from my literary background and 'ease up') no one was ever unbearable.
I'll always know where to go for a 3DS review and I'll probably check things out once the NX is shown, but this will be the last post.
Take care everyone and game on!
Goodness.... What we can be sure of, it is that it's going to be a year full of rumours, "leaks", and predictions xD. It would be really funny if the NX is something completely different from what everyone is saying, and it is something related to Iwata's Quality of Life project.
The Nx can be the most high tech and coolest looking system, but I still won't buy it. I've lost my trust in Nintendo
@aaronsullivan Don't worry. I too am wondering how can Nintendo maintain free online services, especially online play. If I remember correctly, Mario Kart Wii has lasted for 6 years, and it would probably still last if GameSpy wasn't acquired and forced to close its servers.
@GrailUK Sega Dreamcast, Microsoft Xbox Original, Xbox One and Sony Playstation 4. All of them announced and revealed at the same year they were launched. Nintendo could very well announced it at E3 or even before, like Sega/MS/SONY did and release it at Xmas 2016. Third party Xone/PS4 games can be ported to NX in just one month and developers are already getting Development Kits already. Nintendo firts party NX games should be in the making since early this year, if not earlier. Plenty of time for a late 2016 launch. Some of these games may even be originally wiiU games that were transfered to NX. Nintendo already did that with Nintendo 64 to Gamecube and Gamecube to Wii. The weak E3 this year was already a signal that Nintendo is busy with something else besides wiiU and 3DS and is possibly leaving the best stuff for the new system.
I'm perfectly happy with my Wii U and have lots of great games to finish. Won't buy a new console for many years.
Dat first post.
If the console is as powerfull as a ps4, it will take less then 2 years and sony pop up a system 2x as powerfull as the nintendo NX, basicly they put themself in a bad position , if you ask me^^
Will buy it none the less, bought every console nintendo ever made, will continue to do so =)
@amiiboacid
"Zelda U has already been confirmed for Wii U even after the delay."
Well sure. I've never said that it will come out on the NX alone.
"It wasn't even a full delay when they announced it, they just said it might not release this holiday."
Sorry for the brashness here, but what the hell is a "full delay"??
A delay is a delay, full, partial, semi.. They are all delays. Yeah, so they said it wasn't coming out at the holidays, but the holidays are practically here... Yet, still... No word about anything. You don't find that at least a little bit suspicious? I do. Especially after such blatant confidence saying Zelda and Star Fox were on track for the holidays, only to completely U-turn.
Look, I hear this argument all the time. "They can't just skip a Zelda in a console generation." I say, why can't they? Why is this some sort of ironclad rule? Just cause that's what's always been done before? Who cares? Why would you burn a Zelda on a failing console? Why would you take the flack from investors saying the exact same thing. The writing is on the wall here. Zelda is coming, but it is foolish to believe that it will be on the Wii U alone.
@MoonKnight7 What I meant to say was that it might of not even been a delay when the first announced it. They said it might not release this year, as if they were unsure. What I was saying is that it would of been impossible for the reason of the delay to be it was going to the Nx.
And besides, why it can still be successful even if it's on only the Wii U. Mario Kart 8 has gotten nearly 6 million sales. That's extremely good for a console with the least amount of sales this generation. (besides the Vita which still gets exclusives somehow.) Compair that to the Witcher 3, which many people consider it to be the best rpg in decades, has only gotten a bit more than MK8, despite being on PC and the twins. The system attach rate for Wii U games have been extraordinarily high, so the next Zelda can still be a big success if it's a Wii U exclusive.
Though I still think there is some chance for it going to the Nx. Though there is no way Star Fox Zero is going to Nx.
If the NX is compatible with Wii U games then they can give the Wii U a really strong swan song year knowing those games can be snapped up by NX owners as well. I don't see Wii U games being 'moved' to NX more delayed to take advantage of.
I'm excited!
So much games to play & I just go with WiiU/3DS combo!! cant figure out how all system warriors can keep it up.. Still very exited to continue with big N alone & the waiting for more info about future game or consoles is driving me crazy!!
I hope its time for 3D platformer/action/adventure games to make a comeback like the old N64 games.. but seems very unlikely after the rage that one of the best game of that gender in the last decade was crucified!! (Sonic Boom)
So much games to play & I just go with WiiU/3DS combo!! cant figure out how all system warriors can keep it up.. Still very exited to continue with big N alone & the waiting for more info about future game or consoles is driving me crazy!!
I hope its time for 3D platformer/action/adventure games to make a comeback like the old N64 games.. but seems very unlikely after the rage that one of the best game of that gender in the last decade was crucified!! (Sonic Boom)
@aaronsullivan "Rise against the Empire with kids, @rjejr best play set yet by far"
That's the originally trilogy set that we have, right? Go us. Thought it was just going to be a little 2 hour thing and started playing it w/ my wife Friday morning while the kids were in school. We played over an hour and haven't even earned enough money for the Millennium Falcon yet, so I'm thinking 6-8 hours easy. (My wife doesn't game enough to get camera control, mostly all we play is Skylanders. You realize how important auto camera programming is in a game watching somebody else play it. Me, I'm super annoyed when I can't use my right stick for camera.)
And an FYI - Amazon has several SW DI figures for $9.99 - Vader, Yoda, Chewbaca, Han, if you need any. Not a great deal, but still a deal.
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YZ3UQDY/ref=hqp_vg_disneyinfinity?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=hero-quick-promo&pf_rd_r=1QAENQPECVK2JMRYZG39&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=2241210442&pf_rd_i=B0132YMS50
Oh, and I really really dislike the new drop-down Amazon menus. It was SO MUCH BETTER when you could just scroll over the little box pics. I don't even want to search the amiibo list now. Maybe if hey broke it up by figures, playsets, and discs. Or something.
@Zelkardaim lol.
@hYdeks So what are you doing in this site noob?
It's most likely the system will come out next year. if they have a huge direct at the beginning of the year showing games for the system and showcase the design ( just the box) it will keep people wondering about the controller. They should show off what the system is capable of at e3, after people already see the games. Third party support is a must. I wont buy it if there isn't the same support as the other consoles, Im just sick of not having other games to play.
@aaronsullivan "Maybe, sell the handheld first so a bunch of people have them and then sell the console alone for those who have it or with the handheld bundled."
I know this is a couple of days old - took your advice and enjoyed my weekend - but I really think the Home part has to be first, no? New 3DS just came out, US just got it, maybe, and 2DS needs a new version I think so kids can play w/ amiibo. So make a powerful Home unit running the same OS as 3DS so NX can run 3DS games like in Wii mode. Establish that w/ Pikmin 4, Zelda U and Super Mario Galaxy 3 - it's been 2 years since SM3DW, it's due next holiday 2016 - and then later, spring 2017, 4DS w/ a little more oomph that can play Home games.
Unless they want to do both at once, that's ok too, but handheld before home makes no sense to me. 50 mil 3DS, 10 mil Wii U, Ihtink we know which one needs replacement first.
@Captain_Gonru OK, maybe it was your advice to get some rest I took. Only 24 mo emails to catch up on.
I really like the Paul Rudd idea. Seriously, if they don't have seamless gameplay Home and Away w/ 1 save point, like Amazon does w/ movies on Fire devices w/ Whispersync, they might as well not even bother. .
@Captain_Gonru Home and Away is here to stay @TheRealThanos is making me work on the whole "seamless" idea, and it isn't going well. Though I've never really thought of it being seamless I guess, but I really liked your commercial idea. In my head the save point was always in the Away console-controller, the system was the Fusion Hybrid, there was never 2 separate $200 consoles, just 1 $400 combo pack, it was basically a 4DS w/ wireless TV out and upres thru a base. You know, like 3DS should do via the Wii U so more people would have bought a WiiU, like some people bought the Gamecube Gameboy player to play GB games on their tv.
If it is 2 compeonts - "Away system sold separatly" - then Isuppose you would have to get annoying Windows style pop-up boxes asing if you wanted your Away save to overwrite your Home save when you got back home. And when playing at Home asking if you wanted it saved on Home or Away. So yeah, seamless isn't happening. But we'll find something for Paul Rudd to do. gotta go cook diner, Mrs will be home soon.
@rjejr Thanks for the Amazon tip! I was considering going to Best Buy for same deal but I'll take it at my door! Saved $25 and picked up 3 of those Star Wars characters you didn't recognize to complete the set, Chewy and Han.
Once I played that play set and had so much fun I knew it was all over
@rjejr I've yet to catch up reading here but I'll just suggest that the "new" 3DS was always a stopgap or a last gasp of breath for the 3DS line. I mean, how long do you think it can last in a world of 300+ dpi devices with graphics like it has? It will probably be the last Nintendo device with a 3D screen and they solidified nicely for posterity, late-adopters, and hardcore fans. When did 3DS launch?
@aaronsullivan I do know who Chewy and Han are, I'm not compleltey clueless. I even knew who Jabba had frozen, worth the $20 right there. And for the Ratchet and Clank golden bolt, even if they called it an urn. Mets come first though. #LGM
Oh, and glad to help, glad it worked out for ya.
@aaronsullivan 3DS was Feb/March 2011, so same time 2017 would be 6 years. Unless of course it's just 1 box to replace both, then it doesn't matter. 3DS could go another year just on MH5, Pokemon Z or XZ and YZ and Yokai Watch sequels. Wii U is done, it just needs it more.
And speaking of being behind, I had 165 unread emails this morning, spent the entire day catching up and posting 600 bar mitzvah photos to Facebook in groups of 50-100. Glad there was no ND today, I'd never catch up. tomorrow or any other day would be fine though. I've never waited so long for something I thought a company shouldn't even have. Are they even still doing Nitnedno Minutes and Treehouse Live events? Well besides for 3DS, I'm biased.
@amiiboacid
Sorry for my delayed response, but I missed that you wrote to me.
"What I was saying is that it would of been impossible for the reason of the delay to be it was going to the Nx."
I fail to see how that is deemed as 'impossible.' Nintendo was incredibly confident, obviously something happened. It happened right around the time NX was mentioned for the first time. That is just too coincidental, to simply say that's 'impossible.'
"The system attach rate for Wii U games have been extraordinarily high, so the next Zelda can still be a big success if it's a Wii U exclusive."
Yes, the attach rate for Wii U is high, but why do you think that is? Only Nintendo fans bought the system, so of course a Zelda would sell at least 3 million copies, and be considered a success. The reason for thinking the way I do? To build up the NX. This isn't necessarily about the bottom line sales of the next Zelda, it's about making the NX a worthwhile purchase. That is a far more pressing issue than Zelda sales. They need heavy hitters, so it's incredibly wasteful to burn Zelda U, just on Wii U. It's all reminiscent of TP all over again, its just that the Wii U wasn't blessed with a standalone Zelda like other consoles did in the past.
"Though I still think there is some chance for it going to the Nx. Though there is no way Star Fox Zero is going to Nx."
Finally we agree on something, haha. I don't think anyone has said Star Fox was going to the NX too. They at least said Q1, and I can believe that.
@MoonKnight7 Nintendo was confident for a 2015 release. Then they were like "It may not be finished in 2015. There's still a chance it would release then but it might not," I'm paraphrasing, of course. Then then they said it was releasing in 2016. They were unsure about how long it would take for whatever caused them to delay the game. Which was to make it glitchless and to have as much content as possible.
Also, the situation is not reminiscent of TP. The GameCube and the Wii had very simular architecture but very different controls. From what all we've seen about the Nx, it's the opposite. When Miyamoto saw the DS Zeldas and their touch screen integration he basically thought "Man, I wish Twilight Princess was this innovative... Looks at the Wii remote Wait a minute..." That was the reason, gameplay inovation. The Nx seems to have a gamepad like the Wii U.
@amiiboacid
If you want to believe that, go for it, but I hardly believe that gameplay was the main reason for TP's duel release. My evidence is that the whole experience on Wii feels incredibly shoe-horned into place. It's a good game, but the fact that the whole experience was flipped to accommodate for most people being-right handed, tells me that "gameplay innovation" was the last thing on their mind. It was just about getting the game to work well enough and not feel awkward for a duel release. This of course can be argued, but I'd use caution in thinking the way you do. Think like a corporation first, to cut through the BS they tell you.
You are correct that the GameCube and Wii were very similar, let's face it, the Wii was basically a GameCube +. That being said, we of course don't know what the NX is exactly, but the possibility cannot be ruled out given the timing of their delay, and Aonuma's skirting statements today that they're improving on it "bit by bit" with absolutely no more knowledge than we've had when the game got delayed months ago. Great, thanks for displaying the solid confidence you showed before... The complete silence smells too much like BS to me for this to be a Wii U exclusive.
I don't doubt his other comment though, "It is something that requires plenty of time, however, so please believe in us and wait."
I mean yeah, making the game for two consoles has to require "plenty of time."
TP, whether Nintendo will say it or not, and they won't, was done this way to prop up the Wii as much as possible because to their eyes, the GameCube was a failure. This "gameplay innovation" you speak of was secondary or a "corporate spin" to make it sound like they were doing Zelda fans a favor.
Were they successful though at delivering a good experience? I'd say other than Link sometimes swinging his sword in the opposite direction you do, I'm inclined to say yes, but the fact remains of which timeline came first: The corporate speak, or gameplay innovation? Did Miyamoyto (or someone else, let's not give him all the credit) suddenly have a brilliant idea, or did the suits come down and talk to him and say, "See if you can make this work."?
You can reply if you want, but I'm done talking about this, haha. I appreciate the dialogue of course, but we are obviously entrenched in our own opinions about the past. We'll of course never know the truth, but I always think like a corporation first, before anything else. BS is what companies do best, and use caution with anything they tell you.
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