In the lead up to E3 we'll be doing a series of features covering game franchises that we want to make an appearance, and what we'd like to see out of a potential next entry in each series. In this entry, Nintendo Life news, reviews and features regular Mitch Vogel goes over the Kid Icarus franchise. There are minor plot spoilers from mid-way through Kid Icarus: Uprising, so be warned.
For this next piece, let's consider Kid Icarus, one of Nintendo's oldest franchises which just recently showed how much more potential it really holds. The original Kid Icarus was considered a sort of 'sister' game to Metroid, due to it having the same development team and releasing only a few months later in the same year. Though the gameplay may have shared some passing similarities to Metroid, Kid icarus was primarily a run 'n' gun action game that played something like a vertically scrolling Mega Man game. Chock full of references to Greek mythology and just downright strange elements (an eggplant wizard?), it certainly carved out an identity for itself.
It even justified a Game boy sequel that came out a few years later, which was just as quirky and strange as the original. Then, everything went quiet and we didn't see Pit - the series' main protagonist - again until he became a fighter in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. The character's popularity in that game eventually led to the surprise E3 reveal of Kid Icarus: Uprising, a 3DS reboot of the classic series. Creating an entirely new type of gameplay that was something like a cross between Sin & Punishment and Space Harrier, and with Masahiro Sakurai ensuring a depth of content and attention to detail reminiscent of Super Smash Bros., Kid Icarus: Uprising introduced gamers to an entirely new universe of charming characters in addition to the creative gameplay model.
I believe that the Kid Icarus series has the potential to be a major player in the ongoing Nintendo line-up, dare I say even to rival the likes of Mario, Zelda, or Metroid. The diverse cast of characters, unique gameplay and distinctive identity that permeated Kid Icarus: Uprising made it one of the most memorable experiences in recent times, and I thought it was the most original thing to come out of Nintendo until Splatoon came along. In more recent years, it seems that Nintendo has become a bit reliant on its more tried and tested franchises, which is what made Kid Icarus: Uprising such a breath of fresh air.
There's nothing wrong with Nintendo sticking to its most successful franchises, as these have brought with them their own new ideas and have become refined down to a science, but there's just something about a fresh brand with a completely different gameplay style that fills the player with a sense of wonder and excitement. Granted, Kid Icarus isn't technically a 'new' franchise, but Uprising was so far removed from its predecessors that it could be considered as such.
This is why Kid Icarus needs to show up at E3 this year - Uprising acted as an extremely promising first entry in a potential new series and it would be a huge shame if Nintendo opted not to expand upon the gameplay ideas and world that we were given a glimpse of. Of course, Masahiro Sakurai - Kid Icarus: Uprising's director - stated pretty firmly that he will not do a sequel and his development studio, Project Sora, disbanded shortly after Uprising's release, but there's no reason why a new studio couldn't take up the reins. Couple this with the fact that the Wii U has a touch screen and dual sticks to satisfy both fans and critics of the original control scheme, and there's really no reason why we shouldn't see Pit star in his first HD adventure.
So, what could a new Kid Icarus game look like? I say this franchise is still fresh enough that it doesn't need any major innovation or reinvention, we just need to see more of it. Hades proved to be an excellent and incredibly charismatic villain (especially given the nature of his surprise introduction!), but it'd be a bit deflating if he turned out to be the key villain again. So, to carry the theme of going above and beyond the foundation set by Uprising, I think the new villain should be some sort of figure one step above Hades, just like he was a step above Medusa.
Considering that much of the lore here is inspired by Greek mythology, it'd be interesting if Nintendo introduced a titan as the main villain. Or, perhaps an entire cast of titans could be introduced and the plot would follow the rather dysfunctional gods having to set aside their differences to keep the titans at bay, with Pit at the center of it all. This could also be used as a convenient vehicle to introduce several new gods; Viridi, Palutena, Pandora, Hades, and Pyrrhon really stole the show in most scenes they spoke in, and it stands to reason that more gods with similarly over the top personalities would really spice up the narrative.
From a gameplay perspective, a few new weapon classes and maybe some additional traversal abilities would help to diversify one's options in battle and make the game even more fast paced as a result. Imagine if Pit was able to use his wings temporarily in combat to run along walls or scale buildings to get to higher ground? I think that the inclusion of some soft RPG elements would be to the game's benefit, as well. Instead of the stars system of the original, maybe weapons could be levelled up through use and the powers system could be folded into this with new perks being unlocked as weapons ranked up. Maybe the flight sections could be extended, too, as these were considered by many to be the highlight of Uprising.
Naturally, online would return and bring with it new maps and modes, and considering that this is on much more powerful hardware, the player count could be stepped up to 8 vs 8. Light vs Dark and Free For All could return, but the inclusion of more conventional modes like King of the Hill or Capture the Flag would fit well here. And, as this is Nintendo, there'd likely be some modes that'd be entirely new and focus on a quirky gameplay mechanic of some sort. For example, imagine a mode called "Rail Shooter", where the map would be one massive entanglement of rails and players would have to be quick enough to blast opponents as they pass them by, while watching out for hazards on their own rail and switching to another before plummeting to an early death. It's this kind of frantic, off the wall madness that Nintendo excels at, and there's no doubt that it would shine just as brightly here.
Basically, Kid Icarus is just on the cusp of becoming another great Nintendo franchise. All it would take is another game to cement the identity of the series and make it a mainstay and not just a one-off. A new Kid Icarus doesn't have to be radically different than Uprising, we just need another trip through this new universe that builds upon what Uprising introduced.
Now, we'd like to hear what you think. What would you like to see out of a new Kid Icarus game? Do you think Nintendo will do another one soon?
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This one is sadly not going to happen
Just make a HD version for Wii U!!! Please!!! If the 3DS can get Hyrule Warriors then give the Wii U Kid Icarus: Uprising!!!
Would be cool to see a Wii U game, but I have a feeling we'll have to wait awhile for a sequel to uprising, took forever for them to make uprising after the game boy game.
An HD Uprising has long been rumoured. And I suppose stranger thing have happened (looking at you, Hyrule Warriors 3DS) (now glancing over to Xenoblade 3D)
@Blast I would buy it again in a heart-beat!
Uprising is one of my all-time favorites, so seeing it in HD (or seeing a sequel) would be amazing.
@Blast - I can't believe somebody else actually typed that before I had the chance. Seems like a very fair exchange to me.
And if they make it a sequel I'm that much mo elikely to buy a 3DS so I can play it. Though I know no sequel b/c Sakarai made KI:U and he just finished SSBB. And actually that isn't finished yet.
If they worked on Kid Icarus as much as they worked on Mario, Zelda and Metroid, they could iron out all the flaws that keep these games from reaching their full potential. They have the ability to be bizarre but there is always something that keeps it down. I'd love it if Nintendo started paying attention and making him a key player in their line-up. There's something very satisfying and compelling that makes you want to play despite its problems.
I'd settle for an HD port of uprising. The dual-stick controls should allow people who didn't like the original's (fantastic) controls to experience one of the best Nintendo games of the generation.
More expansive multiplayer would certainly be nice
Kid Icarus is my Favorite Nintendo Game Outside Mario ... I've been wanting an HD Kid Icarus U since Launch... Uprising is Awesome... I want a Bad Ass Home Cosole Sequal !!!!!!! Please Nintendo make this Happen , Pit is the Man!!!!!!!
I would love to see a sequel to Uprising. Hell, I'd even take a Wii U port of Uprising!
I wouldn't be adverse to Grezzo doing some Kid Icarus games in the future
As much as I would love either a new Kid Icarus or even just an HD remake, I see this almost certainly not to happen in the lifetime of either the WiiU or 3DS.
How well did Uprising do on the 3DS does anyone know? I'm interested to see whether it sold well enough for Nintendo to even justify bringing him back again.
@FragRed
1.18 million as of 3/31/13
1.19 million as of 4/04/15.
In two years, Uprising has sold .01 million units. I don't think that's enough to justify bringing him back, and Sakurai has mentioned that he doesn't plan on making a sequel.
@FragRed @rjejr @Blast
I'm on board with this as well. Remake is fine. Still, it'd be better to have an all new game. There is a great deal of potential once a proper control scheme and more detail are possible.
Ha, @TruenoGT ninja'd me. I guess it's just an echo chamber in here.
I'd love little more than a good Wii U Kid Icarus. It would make me instantly shift the money I've been saving for Splatoon and Xenoblade if they announced that at E3.
Would love to see this happen and I would support it day one. But this would have to be on the more unlikely end of the spectrum unless another studio did an HD port of the 3DS version.
@Eat_Pie
As disappointing as that is to see, any million-selling franchise is worth bringing back. It has also had zero push since the initial launch. Also, it launched while 3DS was having its big fail moment, didn't it?
Actually, with an equal stress on its multiplayer, this might be a nice follow up to Splatoon on the Wii U in it's own way. Quirky weird online multiplayer matches with excellent shoot em up adventure to boot. I have to squint to see the possibilities in that idea, however.
I agree that this game is very unlikely at this point. On a related note, Nintendo has been hinting at Kid Icarus Amiibo restocks in the next few weeks, so I might get my chance...
@aaronsullivan - You start the new job this week, haven't seen you around much?
@aaronsullivan
It released in March 2012, when the 3DS started gaining steam. He hasn't gotten much push except in Japan and I wouldn't mind seeing him in a sequel or an HD version.
@rjejr I don't start until late August. I have been trying not to spend too much time on here, but I've been lurking. I'm sure you'll be seeing a ton from me next week.
@Eat_Pie
Right, when user base was very low is my point. I think it was a surprise hit in some ways and a million sales for a dead franchise with a small set of fans to start with had to raise eyebrows at Nintendo. I'm pretty confident we'll see more, but the timing doesn't seem right, yet.
@rjejr Haven't opened up Splatoon yet, either! There just wasn't time this last weekend, but my girl's birthday is soon! So, that will be fun. With these staggered releases of maps and weapons I feel like I'm missing out on the whole thing.
@aaronsullivan
Yeah, I agree with you. We'll probably get a Kid Icarus game in the future, but I doubt it'll be this E3.
@NintyMan Great ideas. I came to the 3DS game late and I was surprised to see so many old faces from the original and how great the new tone worked. The original was so wacky and this game somehow made sense of it all.
Uprising was incredible. I would love it if they continued Kid Icarus in some way, even an HD port of Uprising would be amazing and it could totally work with the control scheme. For a series put on hiatus for so many years, Nintendo has definitely shown their love for it over time.
As long as they REALLY fix those overly/needlessly awkward controls from Uprising I'd be happy to see another Kid Icarus game.
I would love it if we got a port of uprising or a sequel of some sort by a diffrent sudio. But i honestly think it wont happen. I just dont see nintendo finding another studio to make a game that mr.Smash made so perfectly. What i CAN SEE though is nintendo making it a series in the likes of the xenoblade franchise. A long time between releases, but HUGE and FANTASTIC. Because come on, Xenoblade we all thought was a hit and run deal, yet here we are with X. I dont expect pit at e3, but we will for sure see more of him.
I really enjoyed Uprising. It would be great to have a sequel, but I don't think we'll get one soon.
Or heck, do a Skyworld Warriors! That would fit in perfectly...
@Eat_Pie Wasn't it out of print for most of that time span? I know I needed to get a used copy because it was too expensive to warrant buying a new copy. Wasn't it also not available on the eshop until a bit after release (might be thinking of another early game though).
I could see a wiiU entry being successful if they would employ the splatoon (and what I assume will be in Star Fox) motion control scheme (with options to use sticks for those that want to). A game with mostly the flying sections and even crazier set pieces could be pretty awesome.
I'm not the biggest fan on Kid Icarus. I've played the first one, and I really liked it. I'd prefer a game similar to the old, hard as nails, platformer than this on-rails shooter. Nintendo could make a really beautiful 2.5D platformer with maybe some on-rails sections (50-50 for each type) and then appeal to people like me and then those who enjoyed Uprising.
I can hope.
I would love for another Uprising style game. It is fantastic and being on the Wii U could really show its stuff with a control scheme people would feel comfortable with, HD visuals, live orchestrated soundtrack, and a new story, along with that rock solid online and plethora of achievements! Those ideas you had with scaling platforms to get to higher ground would be super fun! Though the platforming needed a little work which is really the only complaint I had from the game along with the Exo Tank needing some touching up. I'd be totally on board for a Wii U sequel to Kid Icarus Uprising!!!!
I would be so freakin' happy if they announced a sequel. Uprising is my favorite game of all.
As long as the next Kid Icarus has nothing to do with using the stylus, I am willing to give it a go. Uprising was worth the single playthrough but the controls kept me from playing through it again.
As anyone can tell from looking; I would love something Kid Icarus. Uprising's an awesome game that I played on a near daily basis until Smash was released. HD port would be nice, only if extra content was added to it.
Though I'd probably buy it regardless...
A new Kid Icarus, Hell Yeah!
Absolutely. If they could create a game as awesome as Kid Icarus Uprising, but without the utterly miserable control scheme to ruin it all.
The most frustrating thing about them was it was completely unnecessary to use that awkward touchscreen/button hybrid. For the flying sections, there's no need for aiming and movement to be independent from each other. They could have just taken the controls from any Starfox game. And for the on-foot sections, they could've taken the controls from... any non-twin stick 3D action game ever made! (Jet Force Gemini maybe?) In fact speaking of Starfox, they could've lifted the controls straight from Starfox Assault, which had flying and on-foot shooting and I don't remember there being any particular complaints about that game's controls.
So yeah, if the Kid Icarus franchise could get another chance (again, Uprising is an otherwise amazing game), I'd be all for it.
This game was memorable in both good and bad ways. The story and characters had plenty of personality to go around. The graphics on the 3DS were stupendous considering that there was just so much movement going on in the screen. Online was lag-free through and throughout. One big problem I had with this game: gameplay. The controls were responsive, but very uncomfortable. In my experience, the hand that holds the stylus pen kept getting sore to the point of cramping. It is one issue, but it totally out-weighs the enjoyment of the game.
If there is a new game coming, then, just simply polish the gameplay. I would liked Kid Icarus after playing Uprising.
I must one of the few people that liked the controls. My hands certainly never got sore. But if a Wii u entry was developed, I'd really like the options of stylus or twin sticks
How about one of the villains being a fallen angel that was Pit's predecessor
Or have Hades appear as a not-so-antagonistic person in a wheelchair
As I haven't played Uprising yet, I would be interested in giving the franchise a try on Wii U. Not really at the top of my wishlist, but I'd certainly take this over a Mario Sports game or an Animal Crossing.
Hades for Smash! Definitely one of the best villains in any videogame (ones that I've played at least). Truly I think he was a brilliant character in Uprising and personally would love to see his witty comments in a sequel on Wii U.
@Spectra_Twilight I think the game is pretty much done since it is coming out soon in Japan and I'm sure they can handle more then one project.
Simply yes. Dying to play a new Kid Icarus game, especially on the Wii U.
I think I'm the only person that didn't like Uprising. I thought the controls were terrible. I only got the game because I read somewhere that it supported the C-Stick.
Kid Icarus/God of War crossover. That would be awesome.
My girlfriend just got me a PS4... I am sad to say that this doesn't matter to me anymore, my money is going to Bloodborne, The Witcher 3 and Uncharted 4.
People who complain about the controls are just bad at the game. Dual stick controls wouldn't work without needing to slow down the game and making it easier. Kid Icarus Uprising is a very fast game like Platinum or Treasure fast and the controls are perfect for the pacing. One of the best TPS ever made on a console.
Recently played Uprising on 3DS and it has really bad controls. Think it would be a very good idea to have this game on Wii U, it would suit it more so. And it wouldn't take too long to do and release. Either that or release an update for the game so I can use that new 3ds mini c-stick in the controls.
@IAmDeclanJay Yes the controls were less than optimal for sure. It really demonstrated the weakness of not having a second stick.
I'm one of the few who really liked the controls, and though I get why people criticize it, I personally found the controls comfortable and much quicker than they'd be otherwise. The only real complaint I have is that the powers were hard to activate in the middle of combat without messing up (because I would slide the bar instead of picking the one I wanted), but otherwise it felt really smooth and fun.
I'd love more Kid Icarus but its not at the top of my list.
@bitleman They complain about the controls or are left-handed people with no interest of buying a circle pad pro. I had no problems playing the game, though I am right-handed so I can't say for sure how a cpp would work out.
I will faint even if its just an HD port of Uprising...One of the best, if not the best, games on 3DS. But please give us Splatoon-like controls and twin stick shooting as an option. More control options are always nice.
Touchscreen aiming is wonderful, but not on a 3DS and not without using 3 screen protectors.
I would love an HD version of Uprising. One of the top 5 games for the 3ds.
I'd like an HD upgrade of the 3ds game. Twin sticks & gyro controls like Splatoon seems like it'd be fun. But I didn't play the 3ds version so I don't know for sure.
@aaronsullivan - I'm sure next week we'll all be on here a lot. Hopefully I'll have something nice to say for a change. All I really want are dates, everything else is a bonus. Too bad Nintendo doesn't do dates.
@aaronsullivan - "With these staggered releases of maps and weapons I feel like I'm missing out on the whole thing."
Yeah, I basically had to get it b/c all the updates would be a constant thorn in my side. I missed Bayonetta 2 but a day after release we never heard about it again. Not that we heard about it all that much to begin with. I'll still play it some day, but no rush. I felt like this 1 was more now or never, like a summer song or movie blockbuster. Surprisingly my kids have hardly been playing it all, even the youngest who rally wanted it. Strange.
Didn't Sakurai said that he wasn't interested making sequels to uprising?
Kid Icarus Uprising is my favorite game of all time. But as Hades said himself, we won't be seeing a new game for about another 22 years...
@PikaTron My solution to that was going into the settings and mapping "up" on the D-Pad to activate powers. A tap of a button would activate the highlighted power. I, too, was a fan of the controls, this game wouldn't be as playable without them.
Not gonna lie; I didn't like Uprising. The gameplay didn't feel very engaging to me, the camera was crap, and the pre-level air battles felt like a chore. I like the IDEA of Uprising, but I can't get into it, and despite owning it since launch, I haven't gotten past Chapter 8 yet, purely because I don't ever feel any urge to do so.
Oh, hell yes. I freaking love Uprising. Once I got used to the controls, it was a blast. The characters are a lot of fun, the visuals are great, and it has great replay value. Unfortunately, I think it's highly unlikely that a sequel will be made.
Uprising is one of my all time favorite games. I'd love more Kid Icarus. I think a side game focusing on Magnus's backstory could be really interesting.
@Eat_Pie I'm pretty sure that's because, in traditional Nintendo fashion, they just let retail supply of their game completely dry up despite continued demand. I wanted to buy it new for a couple years but never found it in stores (though I eventually got it through Club Nintendo).
I would love a sequel for Uprising. I absolutely loved everything about it, including the controls. They worked for the gameplay and don't see how having a second circle pad would have helped with aiming the reticle more accurately.
Yes please! Uprising is my favorite 3DS game and I still play it regularly. Amazing gameplay, great storyline, memorable characters - perfect!
@Spectra_Twilight Not just you my friend ^^ On the other hand, I can't hardly complain about a new FE, a series I love just as much as AW, and one that was close to being done for good, not that long ago (Thank you FE:A). Still a new AW would be awesome, a first entry on a homeconsole would be even cooler. A homeconsole FE would also be splendid though, it has been a long time since Radiant Dawn after all.
This is still one of the, if not the absolute best, lenghtiest, better looking, experiences you can have on the 3DS,
in a world with no reviewers this game would've sold more, truly one of Nintendo's most original, refreshing games in a long time, but bursting with retro charm at the same time, really addictive top quality gameplay, the fusing mechanic for the weapons and the betting of the games currency which increases the difficulty before every level you play, made this game stand out and really deep, the writing is really funny too, and visually its stunning, the game controls fine, but it would trully shine on the gamepad with stylus control and the action running in 1080p 60fps, it could really be amazing on the Wii U, don't see it happening though,
I still think Uprising is the game of the century. The only setback with the wiiu port would be sacrificing the 3D effect of the flight scenes. The game is pure magic.
Heck, yeah! I loved Uprising. So much so that I'd even spring for an HD remaster on the Wii U. Sadly, this one doesn't look likely. That doesn't mean we can't dream.
Man, would another Kid Icarus game be great.
Kid Icarus? You're kidding right?
Sakurai seems to be done for now with developing since SSB4, he said the KI Uprising won't have a sequel, Project Sora and the company were both dissolved back in 2012, no other project was announced in the meantime, so you have basically zero chances right now.
Uprising was a tribute to a classic from the 80's using the SSB Brawl engine, not by any means the start or revival of a "new" franchise. And I believe it was only made because Brawl (and Pit) succeeded. Definitely not a game aimed for a wide range of players, with an ambitious approach on the market. No, it's not that kind of game.
Don't get me wrong, I love the series, but there's not much to be done about it, I don't see series returning anytime soon, no matter how much we love it. Quality might suffer a lot if put in wrong hands.
Every game from these "Nintendo franchises we want to see at E3" is a massive yes from me. It's like my number one wish list. Only F-Zero and Pilotwings left to go.
I would give anything to see a new Kid Icarus game. Pit is an awesome character. If they ever do make a new game I hope it is more of a traditional adventure style game like Zelda and not an on rails shooter.
Sakurai Says is the name of the game here
I'd love to see another Advance Wars (Battalion Wars) game, or even better...have nintendo bring back the love of Startropics or even Faxanandu. They could easily do another Startropics. Other than that, I really don't see another Kid Icarius game coming anytime soon...maybe in another 10 years, or possibly in their next systems.
A big one on the Wii u would be fun. It could either be a Uprising sequel or something different (Zelda-like, with air battles and many floating temples?). I think other franchises are more deserving at the moment though (Metroid, maybe a new Warioland, etc), and Sakurai is to busy with Super smash dlc anyway.
SPLATOON 3DS !!!
Whether it's a port of "Uprising" or a brand new sequel, why just settle for touch screen and dual-stick controls? Go ahead and also give us the option to use full motion controls with the Wiimote and Nunchuck. I thought the touchscreen controls were pretty good and certainly prefer them to dual-stick shooters, but I'll admit that there's a level of camera instability inherent to the control scheme that the Wiimote would fix. If not the Wiimote, then I'd also accept gyroscopic camera control with the GamePad just as long as they don't ruin it like they did in "Splatoon" by also requiring use of both control sticks.
Uprising for me wasn't justa good game, it was hilarious at times, the banter between the characters made it stand out, as well as the crazy enemy designs. If they made a version of this, in HD, I would buy it no questions asked.
@Eat_Pie This is largely due to the fact that the game has run out of print, though. You can't find the game first hand anymore, as it hasn't been reprinted as of yet, and second hand copies aren't counted asfar as units sold go.
Now, I would argue that any game that manages to sell through its print so quickly deserves attetion from the compat that made it. Bring on Uprising 2!
Haha, this is wishful thinking, but I admire the thought. A Wii U Kid Icarus would be amazing. While I did enjoy the recent 3DS game, the lack of a second stick was awful. I still have the awkward stand that came with it, to save people's wrists from crippling stress, lol. I guess it would be more reasonable with the new 3DS, but I would much rather they make it for the Wii U.
This would be awesome!
Kid Icarus was awesome from before and Nintendo just turned him into an typical anime spin-off. All the enemies ( not including eggplant wizard ) are the only things remaining of the original games.
Platinum Games would be such a perfect fit for this reinvigorated francise!
I agree with Mitch about this being the freshest thing they have done this generation. It would be a tragedy if Uprising was an anomoly in Nintendo's franchise care.
Being an avid Nintendo fan since the NES days and then recently growing more and more disappointed with the company's output in recent years, I just hope for one thing that will totally blow me away...
I would love to see a Kid Icarus on Wii U.
@Blast would be great, but Nintendo seems to have a problem putting titles on the Wii so u take advantage of the ability of the console has, but who knows?
I wouldn't mind seeing a KI: Uprising mode for Smash Bros where each character has access to weapons and run through dungeons like the land battles in KI: Uprising.
A new game in the series would be nice.
This was one game I found I could never get into. I bought it and don't even have 10 hours in it. lol
I have to say that a game that is a mix of Uprising and the original would be amazing. The original music was brilliant and I liked the slowed down exploratory aspect of the dungeons. Definitely so much potential in this IP that they haven't really tapped into at all.
I hope they make a Kid Icarus game for Wii U. WE NEED IT!!!!!!
I hope they make a Kid Icarus game for Wii U. WE NEED IT!!!!!!
Common sense tells me this should happen, as this is a new and popular IP with a cult following (I am part of that cult) that could make Nintendo a lot of money.
But it really is going to be whether Sakurai is able (health wise) and willing to make a sequel. Here's hoping for Uprising 2!
One of my favorite games of all time as well. But I'm doubting something as great as this would happen on E3...
@Kirk
same.
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