Video: GameChap Shows Us Five Ways to Get Banned From Super Smash Bros. for Wii U

why? This seems rather stupid.

Nintendo for ya....

I can understand this for strangers to some extent but still, I don't get why simply idling is punished...

Getting banned for those reasons is fair enough. What's stupid about this is that it applies to For Friends mode; it shouldn't really.

I would take issue with 3 and 4, I think both can be legitimate tactics.

WTF voices.

I took a break from playing Smash. When I came back I ran into more taunt party matches, nowhere near as much as Brawl though. I don't mind them and they can be fun, but I understand stand the ban. I don't think this should apply to friend matches though.

This isn't a legitimate complaint lol. Funny vid though!

Why should anyone get banned for number 3? The game's designed so that playing like that will cost you the match.

Those voices are so annoying. Also, "ban" doesn't seem like the right word for this. The players are being kicked, which is a much smaller deal than they're making it seem.

I, for one, love their voices.

Banning is a stupid way to solve problems that are inherent with mechanics you decided on intentionally.

1) Moving around the stage without attacking anyone
Running is a legitimate tactic depending on the situation but the mechanics of the game should never allow running away to be easy, which it IS in many cases in Smash 4. Approaching, landing hits, and continuing pressure should be made easier, and running away from it made harder, not banning people for running instead.

2) Idling and doing absolutely nothing.
You'd just lose the match by doing this. I'm not sure a ban is necessary. Maybe for team and free for all games to clear out people who are away. Rather you should be booted from a lobby for idling, not banned.

3) Using the same move over and over again
If something works there isn't a reason to stop doing it. If it's actually too good than that's a balance problem which needs to be fixed, you shouldn't ban people for doing something that works. It's punishing people for winning. Can you imagine if Guile players got banned on Street Fighter for using Sonic Boom repeatedly?

4) Repeatedly targeting one player.
If one players sucks far worse than the others in Teams of FFA (which is inherently unbalanced) than they are an easy target for points and targeting them is proper strategy. Maybe you should have had an actual ladder and ranks to separate people of different skill levels instead of intentionally not having a ladder for a reason that makes absolutely no sense ("ladders are only fun for the people on top?!").

5) Repeatedly making silly noises (well, that's actually a combination of 1 and 3)
What the Froakie?

Some questionable rules for "banning" here. This is not what they made it sound like back in 2014 with the Smash Direct.

As much as it sucks, at least you dont get banned by messing around with friends. Also, remember that if one player idles, it kills the game since he becomes an easy target, and in a game based off of kills, it would basically be a contest to just kill the idle player. First one to him enough times wins. You aren't the only one who pays when you're idling.

I think 1 to 3 are great reasons. If you are idling, or not attacking anyone, then you shouldn't be playing. Using the same move over again is cheap too. The last two are are rather odd to me but eh.

@Uberchu Because of people abusing Brawls online thats why.

What does it mean by "banned" Just banned from the current match or banned for online period?

@Jazzer94
Brawl's online was broken. People screwing around in Brawl was the fault of the mechanics and the online, these problems don't exist in other fighters (that aren't considered bad).

I don't play online so this doesn't apply to me. The online world is the pre-school world, you get discipline from everything you do way too much.

wow. that's is why i don't played "with anyone" often and play "with friend" all the time. but i might return to "with anyone" just for fun modes because i'm not ready for glory mode yet

You have been warned do not play smash online

glad nintendo is dishing bans for this. i actually want a match, not just stare at a screen for 2 minutes since you can't quit mid match without being punished for dragging everyone out with ya. and there are crazy many of these freaking things so you have to exit and enter for the same disappointment. if ya try to get an actual game going they gang up and bully you.

i'm glad they're doing it with friend matches too. when was playing a stock match with buddys i ended up being the main target and once i was out of lives they just stood there and did nothing and that really did get me mad. they were just gonna let me sit there.

i switched to for glory team matches to avoid these rooms, fun but it's lame to have the record there and lose the option to use items/ characters you suck with.

I've never had a problem with Nintendo's online policies in the past. Can't see why I would now, especially since I usually stay clear of any competitively presented online modes like a couple of the modes in Smash.

1) That is an fighting tatic used by many martial artists. See the film "Yellow" and "Rocky" along with "The StreetFighter:Sonny Chiba"
2) Again it is your connection and your time. This would never happen in warppipe or Kalleria. Quickly somebody program Kalleria client into an WiiU so we can enjoy Smsh Brothers without mobyless Nintendo banning us.
3) This is called "cheezing" or "The cheeze" in fighting games. Again anybody can do it and is allowed. Using the same move again will not remove an persons ability to win or lose.
4) Again this is optional. Another optional thing. If Nintendo wanted they could get rid of the feature. Seriously Nintendo needs to grow up.
5) I don't get this one. Making silly noises via the speaker mic???? That is just dumb. Same with profanity.

This is all completely fair. You aren't playing the game the way it's supposed to be played and it ruins the game for the other players.

What if you're playing, and then suddenly a parent yells at you to take out the garbage? You could get banned for taking out the garbage then, and it's not your fault that you were idling. People CAN get interrupted with whatever they're doing, so being banned for idling makes no sense at all. The person should just be kicked to the lobby, not a outright ban. That's not really fair.

1) Moving around the stage without attacking anyone

Seriously? This can be a useful tactic if you happen to get the disadvantage by losing a life or two more than the others.

2) Idling and doing absolutely nothing

yeah... this I can kind of see but... wouldn't you then become free points for the other people?

3) Using the same move over and over again

This is dumb, what if that move can give you a good combo of lots of damage? So that combo is now banned? Seriously, Nintendo, grow up.

4) Repeatedly targeting one player
What if a player is solidly winning? Are we supposed to just allow him to win? Again, grow up Nintendo.

5) Repeatedly making silly noises (well, that's actually a combination of 1 and 3)

Then why put them in the game? I am assuming they are talking about the taunts. Not only is it funny sometimes ("Let's stretch our legs!" for example) but it is over all fun to do sometimes and doesn't affect the game play and usually only puts you at the disadvantage so again, Why?

In my conclusion, Nintendo needs to grow up and stop treating everyone like they're children. Maybe this is a main reason why their console is dying.

@Donjwolf It's not a perma-ban right away. You literally just get kicked from the match at first then it's a ban but only for a few minutes. If it continues then the time extends. This is nothing horrible unless you are a repeat offender. Don't start up a match if you can't complete it. All it does is wreck everyone's game.

@Jayvir Targeting the player winning ruins everyone's game, or just that one player? Seriously, if they are winning, they deserve to be targeted or else all you need is like 3 KOs towards the start and you can stop trying as the others will get banned for targeting you too much. Doing nothing? You don't ruin it, you give them the game. Trying to stay alive because you're at a disadvantage... ruins the game? Maybe because it gets you back in but why should your game be ruined because you got hit with a disadvantage? Overall, these reasons are ridiculous and childish.

I'm not defending the bans, but I find it quite funny that people are complaining even if they never do those things. Do you run around doing nothing when you enter a match? Do you repeat the same moves over and over again? Do you tend to follow one player about? sigh... Seriously.
I believe No. 5 is all about taunting, and I find that criteria odd. But whatever. I just wish you weren't banned if you had to quit the match... for various reasons.

@DarkKirby Lol your profile picture/gif goes so well with the lecture you gave. Made it more enjoyable

Just to clear up the verb-age here. When they say banned, they mean kicked... You are kicked from the game, and if you do it enough you will be punished with a time limit before you can play online again. You are not banned.

Well that makes sense now.

The thing about 3) is the spam play. Wario's bike for example is annoying and spammed for plays and those players get pluses due to internet lag/Input delay even. Most or in some cases half of the character can't get through the dirty play. It's not very fun to play and very degrading to the community. I also think people should get banned for not getting into the fight. E.g. Banned for repeatedly jumping on and off the ledge and attack the opponent from afar. We play Smash to 'smash', and dirty play should not be involved with these mechanics.

You guys are a bit confused...

You only get banned for spamming if you use the same move without even moving from your spot.

This doesn't affect friend matches.

Number five is just because he was spamming the same move without moving for too long.

You don't get banned for spamming as a strategy unless your strategy is to spam the same move and never roll, shield, or recover.

P.S. I don't care what any of you say. Running around without attacking for over 30 seconds in a 2 minute match is not a valid strategy, and the only people who would ever do it while legitimately trying to win are young kids or people who don't know where the attack buttons are.

P.S.S. I love their British speak.

Ban players trash talking through saved-control names...please.

Get kicked for not playing a normal match! It's fighting game rules, not kiddy game rules.

A lot of you seem to not even know what this is you're mad about.

1. You don't get banned, just kicked, and when you do get 'banned' it is usually for an extremely short period unless you keep doing it.

2. Doesn't apply to friends.

3. These are not as vague as you all seem to think. 'Using one move over and over' or 'attacking one guy' and 'running away' are not the problems. It's EXCLUSIVELY DOING THEM.

You won't get banned for spamming a move, you get banned for spamming and nothing else. They stood still spamming 1 move. It's annoying and wasting time for those who want an actual match.

You don't get banned for running out the clock at the end or running to get your ground, you get banned for running the whole match and not doing anything else.

General idling is kind of a mixed bag. On one hand, it's annoying if you have to leave, but it's moreso to weed out those who have no intent to play. You're just kicked though, and it's after 30 seconds.

Attacking one character is ganging up. There's no reason to NOT attack anyone else.

These are mostly in place for getting rid of people who are wasting others' time.

The whole argument, assuming they're even being serious, is 'HAVING FUN' under the logic that having fun is NOT PLAYING THE GAME, but wandering around and spamming or not attacking.

The only illogical bans are when your internet craps out and you get disconnected or have to disconnect. You basically get banned for a bad connection, but the things they were doing in that video are not 'strategies' and are not 'playing'. They're just being annoying and wasting time for people who actually want to play the game with people.

@MoldyClay87 @Fee Thank you two for saying it. I was finding some of the comments on here very ill informed. Perhaps they didn't watch the video or perhaps the article wasn't clear enough. Either way, thank you for your explanations.

@MoldyClay87 You said it better than me but one thing I can say from experience is if your internet craps out on you you're not banned. My internet craps out all the time and I can jump right back in and retry with no delay. From what I've seen/done it's only if you turn the console off or put the game in sleep mode/turn wifi off on it that you get banned. I also suppose that if your internet craps out a lot of times in a row you'd be banned but my internet isn't quite bad enough to do that.

@ancientlii
From what you described those people don't sound like real friends at all.

I thought when I read this that banning would involve having the games code altered.
I saw a video on YouTube where someone altered Mario to look like Banjo-Kazooie, when they were fighting

More like zero ways to get banned. These are 5 ways to get disconnected (and yes, repeat offenders may have to wait several hours up to a few days to play again. To me "banned" means online play suspended indefinitely... or at least for a much more considerable amount of time than a few hours.

Yeah, it seems Nintendo went overboard AGAIN! You even get banned for using the same move over and over again. I played a few times online, and only used a couple of moves. But I can assume that If I use a move to much for their liking, I get kicked too. Nintendo....never gonna understand online!

This video is lame and misleading. The auto-kicks are simply there to prevent people from leaving the game unattended or intentionally griefing players who actually want to play the darn game. From what I can tell, the game will boot someone who is not attacking players, or is just repeatedly executing the same move over and over again. Despite what they speculate in the video, that is not playing the game and no one is such a noob that they would literally just keep spamming the exact same move while doing very little else for the 5 minutes necessary for the game to detect it as idling.

Seriously, if you want to just mess around, play locally with your friends. It's not that difficult, guys.

Anyone that has had the game for a week already knows this...

@mjc0961 Someone cares enough to write a rant that long about it.

Oh, by the way, did you know for example that you will get "banned" from Miiverse for posting on Miiverse? That's right! Every time you post they "ban" you. Sure, they lift the "ban" after a minute or so, but still. Sigh. Enjoy your sensationalist headlines.

Number 1 and 3 are the most important.

Does the following fall under #1?

• The opponent takes on an escapist playstyle, spending more time running away from you than attacking you, and relying only on ranged attacks. These battles are infuriating, as they can sometimes last the full five minutes and all you do is run after them.

#3 is what I've been reporting players for, glad to see people actually getting banned for it. If you're not good enough for glory battles, don't play glory battles.

I thought the video was quite funny with the public schoolboy act, but as to the reasons for getting kicked from a match they seemed legit. I can't say I've felt a desire to play Smash online just yet.

@Dr_Corndog because it is no fun for your opponent. Trust me. -_-

Mmm...there's a lot of misinformation in this video. I've been many, many taunt parties and I've been kicked numerous times for things that were probably legit and things that were absolutely ridiculous.

First off: You're not actually getting BANNED. All that happens is you get booted from the current game and have to go to a new lobby. It's possible that Nintendo may actually issue a time ban if you get booted too many times in a certain time frame, but it hasn't happened to me yet. I think I've been kicked 2-3 times in less than an hour and received no ban. As far as I know, these all only apply to 4 player For Fun, Team For Fun and maybe 4 player For Glory.

Idling: You don't get booted for idling by "spamming attacks" (if you did every For Fun Charizard player would be banned AMIRITE), "not attacking", "making noise" or "running away". You WILL get booted for idling if you go 30 seconds without JUMPING. It's good to move from the same spot as well, but if you want to avoid being kicked for idling, just jump once in a while. If you stand on the ground without jumping for an extended period of time, even if you're crawling, walking, running or attacking, you'll be flagged as being idle.

Dogpiling/Double Teaming/Excessive targeting: I've actually been booted for this one quite a few times. As far as I can tell, you do not actually get booted for teaming up on someone. I've been in countless taunt parties where a new player comes in and attacks everyone and the other two players in the group gang up on and repeatedly KO the new player. I've seen the same player get ganged up on for like 10 games in a row and nothing happened to the players doing it.

What SEEMS to be the case is if you do a certain amount of damage OR KO 1 player a certain amount of times in a short timeframe without damaging another player, then you get flagged as "Excessively Targeting" that player. I'll give two examples of when I got booted for this:

Example 1: I was in a For Fun match that turned into a taunt party. I was using Villager and so was another player. We decided to play hot potato using Villager's tree and Pocket move (basically tossing the tree back and forth to each other until one fails to catch it with the Pocket). The player I was doing this with failed to catch the tree and got insta-KOd by it. We started again and after a few seconds he missed the tree and got KOd a second time. As soon as he did I was kicked for
'excessively targeting' him. I've had this same scenario happen three times.

Example 2: I was in 4 Player For Fun match. I must have really angered this guy who was playing as Mewtwo because from the very start of the match he went right after me and wouldn't leave me alone. I engaged him a bit then ran away to fight other people but he kept chasing me and trying to hit me with Shadow Ball. I got sick of it and reflected a Shadow Ball, instantly KOing him. He didn't learn his lesson and as soon as he respawned he started the exact same thing again. I reflected his Shadow Ball a second time, KOing him AGAIN and then I got booted for targeting him. HE stalks ME for half the match, I KO him two times via reflected Shadow Ball and I get punished. Apparently you're not allowed to defend yourself!

So yeah, there you go. This video is a bit sensationalist and they don't really seem to understand WHY it is that they are getting kicked out of the current match (not banned). You WILL get a 10 minute ban (sometimes longer) if you quit mid-match in online play with strangers, but I think everyone knows that.

@Fee Sorry, I meant like, if your internet was crapping out and you shut the game off because of it. It should detect if you shut it off while lagging, if possible. Had it happen at my gf's house when her internet was bad. Game immediately lagged and I quit because it was unplayable, but I was banned for like 2 hours as a result.

I just wish it could recognize or you could dispute it if that happened. That said, didn't really affect me since I obviously couldn't play there anyway.

@Uberchu This kind of the situation prevents offensive players to play the game, it is not stupid it is smart, think it right or you are not supporting nintendo and you can not play their games at all.

@Dr_Corndog Players should be aggressive and not using the same moves over and over, because their opponents will say it is annoying and no defense against it.

@lwey1998 wait? I bought my copy legit how am I not supporting them? Do I need to buy teh DLC? lol

and they cant ban me form going to a retail store to buy a retail copy of a RETAIL GAME.