Nintendo has lifted the curtain, today, on a major corporate deal that dramatically adjusts its approach to smart devices, and also its future direction as a business. With Nintendo signing a major deal with DeNA to brings major IPs to smart devices, in addition to the partnership being linked to a future loyalty program that'll affect us all, the company has taken bold steps in moving beyond its current, traditional structure towards a fresh future. What it hasn't done, yet, is laid the groundwork to move away from its own hardware and game development focus - we would argue this is about evolution, not retreat.
Let's qualify that statement before assessing the detail. We have, in the past, made arguments that it's a mistake for Nintendo to simply direct its IP onto smart devices. Upon hearing the news today, however, there's a feeling of optimism - for this writer at least - at what has been announced. Previous fears over moving to smart devices were driven partly by fear of change, absolutely, but also a sense that Nintendo is ill-equipped to make the most of the smart device market while keeping its home console business healthy. The partnership with DeNA is notable, though, as both companies have invested heavily in each other, both in terms of policy and in financial outlays. We've seen hundreds of millions of dollars change hands, with Nintendo becoming the second biggest shareholder in DeNA - this commitment, and the words of Satoru Iwata, certainly matter.
Let's consider the strengths of DeNA, in particular, and what it could bring Nintendo gamers. Beyond its smart device expertise in terms of games, it specialises in e-commerce and online infrastructure for significantly-sized businesses. For example, there'll be a 'Membership Service' to replace Club Nintendo later this year, and the scene seems to be set for services across Wii U, 3DS and smart device apps / games across one login. That's the logical step, especially considering the fact that we already have the Nintendo Network ID.
The possibilities on that score excite us, but the main focus is undoubtedly on one thing - the planned arrival of core Nintendo IP in smart device games. This naturally prompts fears, which are reasonable, and our stance before on the topic (mostly against it) is now completely irrelevant - it's happening, and we need to adjust to the idea and consider what it means.
What it doesn't mean, in our view at this stage, is the beginning of the end. This isn't a 'Sega' moment, in which Nintendo is taking moves towards solely making games and stepping out of hardware. There are many obvious reasons to dismiss these fears - Satoru Iwata made a point to loosely announce the Codename NX hardware as something to be revealed in 2016; we'll be considering that in detail elsewhere. In addition we have Nintendo's current financial and market position, in which it has substantial cash assets and the world's leading dedicated portable gaming device with the 3DS. As highlighted above, the DeNA partnership is also vital in this, as this is a large corporation with major resources and expertise in mobile, meaning Nintendo isn't directly tackling these challenges alone and diverting excess resources away from its core business of making games and systems.
These key facts should give early reassurance, and certainly make any early hysterics and negativity unreasonable. As we've said, there's an inevitability that Nintendo would move to smart devices in various ways, and our previous 'no thanks' stance is now out-of-date - there's cause for cautious optimism, at least.
As we'll explain further when we discuss the potential of the Nintendo NX, there's certainly scope for exciting connectivity and features in the future. The principle of a new Membership programme tying together services across phones, PC, 3DS and Wii U is enticing for all of the creativity and interconnectivity it can bring; with Nintendo's relatively poor record in areas of online infrastructure, DeNA is particularly welcome. There's reason to be hopeful about a future in which we can access content, buy games, share Miiverse thoughts and progress with others, all on whatever device we happen to be using at the time and with quick 'in the cloud' synchronisation across our gadgets. We have aspects of that now, but it can all be improved.
Key areas to note - meanwhile - in terms of the smart device games that are coming, are that Nintendo has ruled out direct ports of Wii U and 3DS games, in particular; the key philosophy is that dedicated consoles will still host the experiences many of us treasure the most. Older games are a little more vague in this picture, though the focus will apparently be on catering to the control options available - we'd bet some Yen on an early iteration of Pokémon Shuffle, for example, a title that doesn't feel like a tight fit for the 3DS eShop, in any case. Beyond that the usual genres of runners, card games and tile-matching variations seem likely candidates, albeit utilising major Nintendo brands.
The concern naturally focuses on the games we'll actually see on smart devices, and how these affect the Nintendo brand and appeal of its own hardware. That's the tightrope act for Nintendo, particularly, as balancing quality with the desire to make sizeable profits will be a challenge. There will be games that make dedicated Nintendo fans shudder or, in worse cases, angry - we need only look at the alienation that companies such as Sega and Square Enix have fostered in this area as a warning sign. Nintendo's taking a step that could not be avoided, but avoiding a slip-up or two in the process will be near impossible.
Of all the ways Nintendo could pursue smart device gaming, though, today's announcement does at least provide some degree of confidence. The role DeNA can play in the Club Nintendo replacement suggests a more technologically sound, and integrated, service than Nintendo would produce on its own. We also feel that Nintendo would struggle in a bad way in tackling smart devices alone, but in both companies investing heavily there's a shared desire to make the move work. More gaming hardware is coming, too, and Satoru Iwata was at pains to frame this deal as a solution for expansion, not an omen for shrinking away from consoles and dedicated gaming experiences.
The example was given by Iwata-san that Nintendo once aggressively targeted the television, when it was increasing in popularity, to expand its business into home gaming with the Famicom. While it's now targeting smart devices in a similar way, we should show some faith in the Nintendo President's word - the big N is still a video game company, and isn't abandoning its core values yet.
Nintendo has decided to deploy its video game business on smart devices but it is not because we have lost passion or vision for the business of dedicated video game systems. On the contrary, now that we have decided how we will make use of smart devices, we have come to hold an even stronger passion and vision for the dedicated video game system business than ever before. Nintendo has made this decision because we have concluded that the approach of making use of smart devices is a rational way for us to encourage even more people around the world to recognize the great value of the wonderful game software available on our dedicated game systems.
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Road to hell is paved with good intentions.
"This doesn't have to be a 'Sega' moment"
But it will be. In long term, Nintendo will eventually be a software publisher only, if they will not take care of their moves.
Can't they just team up with the guys behind gba4ios and make a paid app that solves all problems. That and add the pokemon connect 3 game to ios.
Exactly. I don't know why people, all of a sudden, don't think Nintendo won't make quality mobile games. Heck, they had to make sure their early games were stamped with a seal of quality before anyone else even thought about it. Believe me, we're in good hands.
As a side note, I miss the way Iwata used to look. He doesn't look too good right now. Hope he gets better.
As someone new to (N)3DS, ... home console (Wii U) + mobile gaming with Nintendo FTW!
I'm afraid I won't need a handheld (N3DS) if the Nintendo games on my phone will be good enough.
I'm still not interested in gaming on mobile, even from Nintendo. I'll probably try any f2p stuff they put out on iOS, but I'm more interested in the experiences on their dedicated gaming hardware, and if releasing some stuff like Pokemon Shuffle or Puzzle & Dragons Mario Edition on mobile allows them to stay afloat while not abandoning their dedicated gaming machines, then I suppose it's for the best. It's still a little sad to see Nintendo essentially buckling to the silly demands of what their investors have been asking for years, but I'll try to remain cautiously optimistic about it.
DeNAlife.com when?
@outburst I believe Nintendo is simply using the mobile platform as an advertising billboard for their dedicated gaming systems. Nintendo games release for mobile are likely miniature version of full games they'll release for the console or simply pay-to-play games.
Im need only new games from nintendo
Thus far, I'm concerned about two things: The timing of the release of this thing will see it fall right when the XBO and PS4 are at their absolute strongest.
On top of that, Nintendo still doesn't seem to be fixing the problems around the Wii U and, let's face it, the 3DS (with it's diminishing support), or trying to get 3rd parties back on board. If they're planning to launch a major undertaking like this, they need to have the 3rd parties on their side to help with the transition.
I'm all for the exciting corporate partnership and movement into a new identity. I'm concerned about the timing and what isn't being fixed in the meantime.
I woke up today to a LOT of breaking news. I'm still trying to take it all in...
@BooJoh agreed that Nintendo on mobile doesn't make me want it but I think this is the best way it could of happened. Nintendo remains focused on its dedicated gaming systems and their titles, whilst experienced mobile devs use nintendo IP to make both companies some cash.
I don't think it's the end... But this is a last ditch effort to keep from loosing an entire generation to mindless smart phone games
I don't like it.
I still definitely don't like it. ):
change is hard folks. Whether it's good or bad is the question and with time, we will see.
And so speculation will not help the company Nintendo has done what she wanted
As long as it doesn't detract from the (N)3ds or it's successor, I'll be mostly ok with it. I'm worried that people will think there's no point in another handheld when they have their phone already.
@Quorthon we don't know when the NX will hit but I doubt it'll be designed to match the Xbox 4, PlayStation 5 (though Sony suggested ps4 might be the last console, probably refering to PlayStation now). The X1/PS4 being at their peak might be an advantage ad that's when gamers tend to buy the other system for the games they missed, bet they missed more nintendo games.
3rd party is needed but if Nintendo is to believed the NX won't be a "normal system" and that always scares 3rd party. Of cause that's assume this is an home console and not something else
@potatomage7: and what the point in having an another handheld, when the same game is running on your smarthpone/tablet?
I will answer you: none.
Best way to look at this news? Free to play and casual games should disappear from our home and handheld systems
To be fair, its the sum of all things that "scares" people here.
Moile "gaming" as a whole is known for its rip-off nature, and with Nintendos Pokemon f2p experiemnt, it doesnt look that much different.
Then, we have companies likes Square, who basically neglect proper game releases and just throws half hearted mobile ports onto the market.Another sign of why people "fear" them branching off into mobile gaming.
It also doesnt help, that Nintendo is rather vague with their recent announcments, leaving more questions then answers. Same with Project NX. Will it replace something ? Will it be a third device in the family ?
And all those speculations might actually hurt them in the long run.
Misinformed people might not buy a handheld, "because i can play these game on my phone later". And others might be shy to buy a WiiU because "it might be replaced by that new console".
Thats why people fear that the mobile market might just horribly backfire. Instead of becomming interested in a new device, people might just say "well, i can play Mario on my phone now. They are all the same anyways, right ?"
And should that happen, it becomes "THAT Sega moment"
Most of it's announced ideas seem pretty smart to me...IF they are implemented and executed properly.
It could however be the beginning of the end of things as we know them, which could be a bad thing for many old school gamers and core Nintendo fans...and then again it might not...
I'm just hoping that these games come to Windows Phone.
@opeter
Sega is more than just a publisher by the way. And just because the license out IPS to a smart phone does not meant they are getting out of the first party business.
I can see why people will be concerned. Nintendo are in this business for the money, they always have been. When they see how much money they rake in from mobile games, it's easy to see why they'd even bother with anything else. Nintendo aren't in the business for the love of games (Yamauichi famously hated them), and they won't make games to please their fans.
At least we know for sure there will still be Nintendo Handheld-exclusive games, because smartphones just have a touchscreen. There's no good control system for anything beyond the NES/Gameboy if you're using just a touchscreen.
@ljinkakidd The thing is that people with smartphones don't want quality games and the people that do want them already own a console.
People are always complaining about Nintendo lagging behind and not being modern enough, especially regarding memberships, online and smart device content...so here we go.
This seems like a fairly smart move, take a trusted (and relatively local) company to do the heavy lifting and let Nintendo provide the IP and content that people love. Whether WE, as Nintendo fans, will buy it is almost irrelevant, if DeNA hit the nail on the head then millions of people will get on board, and that can only be good for the Big N in the long run, can't it?
Good, this is more or less how I was hoping they would treat mobile: as a third pillar in their business. Bringing their IPs to mobile in exclusive titles is the best way to expose that audience to what Nintendo is about, if they don't provide any games for the mobile market to play, they won't be drawn in, and if they simply put 3DS and Wii U games on mobile, then there's no incentive to buy those devices. In this way, they can expand their market, and maybe even their userbase on consoles a bit (although I think most of them will probably want to remain on mobile) without compromising their existing audience. The partnership with DeNA is also a good move, as they have experience in areas that Nintendo does not, so they can help address Nintendo's weaknesses. All in all this looks to be a very promising business move.
"but avoiding a slip-up or two in the process will be near impossible."
Considering all the slip-ups of late w/ amiibo and the Gamecube adaptor I'd say slip-ups are guaranteed.
And there will be second guessing over which games go the app route. I've been mad at Ntinedo for nearly 3 years for making a sequel to Gamecube's Luigi's Mansion on the 3DS rather than the Wii or Wii U. And Kid Icarus: Uprising really should have been a Wii game. So Nintneod already has had this issue of where a game belongs. Hopefully NX will fix that.
@ikki5: thanks for the information. Anyway, we will see, how the things are going change in the future (or not) ...
God! Why is everybody underestimating Nintendo with smartphones!! They clearly said that they are NOT ABANDONING HOME CONSOLE VIDEOGAMES, and its for the best of the company, the real Nintendo fans should know that they are doing the right choice... They always did high quality games, and will continue to do... People argue over thag Nintendo doesn't adapt to modern gaming, but when it does... Its freakin WWIII !
I'm not going to join the doom and gloom parade. Some of these thoughts and ideas, such as this article, flow around the Sony and Microsoft camp effortlessly and is why those systems can tie their "worlds" together with no issue when it comes to online, marketing, etc, but this is only a boon for Nintendo as they are finally entering the 21st century FULLY for the first time. Now, I'm not going to up-talk them through the roof either, because none of us knows exactly how this will work in the end.
My final word is: How's Nintendo's "today" looking? After learning that Nintendo is finally putting themselves in a competitive, modern-age position, how is their "tomorrow" looking? Which "fate" would you rather see? The choice is obvious and I can't wait.
@Randomname19 "People with smartphones don't want quality games?" What does this mean? I've seen similar sentiments on other threads. Just because there are a bunch of popular f2p games on mobile platforms does not make anyone who owns a smartphone and plays games on it someone who doesn't like richer game experiences.
I wonder if I'm so out of touch with this idea because I was already a gamer when I got my first smartphone and there is a generation of younger people that don't have phones yet and envy those who do and make up silly sour grapes reasons for hating them and look down on people who play them. Is that where these odd ideas come from? Has to be, right?
Mobile phones are not dedicated gaming devices, but they happen to have some really great and unique games that even "real" gamers enjoy: daily. For the gamer, it's a wide, wide market with room for the "barely a game" successes, creative niches, and first rate unique experiences that are found nowhere else.
So far, my thought on this is that there is room for Nintendo to be successful on mobile with some games and that a division between those mobile games and the types of traditional video games Nintendo excels at could be a great thing. Like some have said on here, it can take the mobile out of the 3DS games and maybe even some of the pressure to be casual out of the console games. They can be what more dedicated gamers expect.
The reason I'm annoyed by this announcement is simply this, mobile games are terrible. I hate them. The passion I have for hating them is very deep. If they aren't total money grabs, then they're loaded with ads, (or some times both) and if they aren't either of those things then they're plagued with terrible controls and frustrating mechanics. And if Pokemon shuffle is any indication of things to come, Nintendo's games will be just as bad.
And on the off chance that they actually produce high quality games, I always like to go physical games for the collectors' value sake. But you can't collect apps.
My bias aside, Nintendo would be ignoring an obviously huge market by not taking advantage of smartphones. And if they play their cards right, it could be the hook they need to get people interested in their consoles. I don't have to like it though.
@rjejr On the slip ups: I think those are mostly Nintendo keeping tight stock due to worries about losses. Getting some revenue from mobile could really help in this regard. (I'm pretty confident in Nintendo's ability to leverage that name in mobile, too. Being found is the biggest hurdle there and they've already jumped it.)
Whatever NX is my hope and expectation is that this business of splitting their main games between one platform or another is over with. As for splitting off mobile games, it seems like a more intuitive choice and that many of the dedicated hardware games could even have companion mobile apps. I'm not as worried there. Animal Crossing on mobile only would throw part of this community into a frothy-mouthed frenzy, however, even though it makes perfect sense.
We now have a year of speculation to look forward to about NX being fusion or two separate pieces of hardware. Meanwhile, I'm now wondering about an option that involves integration with a smart phone or tablet.
The first mis-step of Nintendo becoming the next "Sega"...
@KnightRider666
Wow, that's like the exact opposite of the title of the article.
Rather than thinking Nintendo is doomed going mobile, why not: Nintendo will save mobile gaming from its bad reputation by releasing quality games on that platform?
@abe_hikura
If the NX isn't designed to compete with the successors to the XBO and PS4, then it will end up in the same situation as the Wii U. I also doubt Sony will stop making consoles unless we finally get a unified format. They're making a ton of money on the Playstation brand right now.
people all scared they wont need a 3DS when they can play nintendo games on their iPads: mobile and handheld gaming are NOT the same. a touchscreen cant do everything buttons can and vice versa.
stop friggin panicking like the world is suddenly ending. geesh.
@KnightRider666 Not really. Sega lost consumer trust when they launched the Dreamcast a mere 2 years after they released the Saturn. Thus making fans not wanting to support the Sega OR the Dreamcast. Nintendo has done no such thing and as a result, won't go the Sega route...
@outburst
Because core Nintendo fans want to feel special as if Nintendo is just for them. Just like those crappy little whelps that don't want to "share" gaming with women, these people don't want to share Nintendo with "outsiders."
They'd rather Nintendo continue to slink away to nothing than do anything to grow their business, because then Nintendo still feels like it belongs to them.
It's a weird psychology.
@Takerkaneanite6
The Dreamcast came out 4 years after the Saturn.
@AyeHaley I agree 100%. I just hate it when Mobile games are compared to Handheld Video Games. Handheld games are in an entirely different league to Mobile games.
This is different to anything Sega did during its demise. If Sega had the option to publish their back catalogue on hardware with a billion users they might still be able to make consoles (and good sonic games?). I don't think it's a misstep if they make sure their iOS games are sufficiently different. All I need is Advance Wars
@aaronsullivan - I wish you would have made that first post about 6 hours ago. It's in my head like that, but when I type it it always comes out like a rabid 3rd grader.
And while I've been positive (by my standards) all day about this news, I do have one caveat - I really hope Nintendo doesn't go the Facebook route. I'm all for games that COULD be on Facebook, like Pokemon Shuffle, I just think it will be very unwelcome in the community - much, much worse than today - if people start playing Nitnodo games on Facebook. Regardless of their quality, it would still be Facebook.
I know that's an unfair irrational gut feeling, but it's one I feel strongly about. No Facebook account requirement.
I think the main thing that all of the nay-sayers are missing is that this venture isn't aimed at you, the core audience. I'm a Nintendo gamer and, as such, own a 3DS and a Wii U because I enjoy the games that they release on these systems. The games that will be made for smartphones are for people who probably weren't going to buy the consoles anyway, so if Nintendo can make money off of them and we still get the games we want for our systems, then how are we losing out or suffering because of this?
@Quorthon Just checked and apparently it was released in 1995 to everywhere but Japan (who got it in 1994) and Discontinued in 1998. That's 3 years(or 4 years in Japan as you stated.) Yes that's longer than I stated, but the main point remains. That and the add ons to make the Genesis/Megadrive last longer, frustrated Sega's fanbase...
@outburst Fact!!!
It's a shame that NX in 2017 will probably be 2019. I hope Nintendo make so much F2P money that they can afford treat their loyal servants to a proper gaming machine like the good old days! I want a console that does more for gaming than the N64 did!
@Jese_1 Exactly. If we still get quality games for our 3DS(s) and Wii U(s) then there's nothing for the core Nintendo audience to complain about. If anything, this will help Nintendo make more quality games for us for our Consoles, Handhelds and 'Fusions...'
@outburst - "Nintendo will save mobile gaming"
Well, it's partly what @Quorthon said, cult of Nintendo, us vs them, but there is some further rationality behind your sentiment, which on its face I agree w/ (and posted something similar earlier today.).
IF - big IF - Nintneod were to make good games on smart devices and raise up the unenfranchised masses to the level of "real gamers", then Nintnedo would stop making their own devices, and therefore games for their own devices. And there are a lot of people who don't want to play games w/o buttons (even though most smart devices have bluetooth and work w/ controllers, but that's a discussion for another time). So there's the "no button" complaint.
Another complaint is the "free-to-play" model which most people abhor. If Nintendo were to become successful on smart devices it would be making free ad supported games, and I lot of people don't like those at all.
Third related complaint, most smart games are match 3, endless runner types, and people fear if Nitnedo became successful at those we wouldn't get games like Zelda and Xenoblade Chronicles.
So, there are actually valid reasons for people to fear Nintnedo becoming successful in the smart game app market. (If you knew all that, and your post was rhetorical, my apologies. )
Nintendo is just doing this to get people reinvested in its IPs which will hopefully increase hardware sales. Why is that so hard to understand?
@Quorthon they suggested that the ps5 would in fact be a streaming service for ps4, Sony products. Kinda how Microsoft wanted the X1 to be "future proof" via cloud processing.
Nintendo has resined it self to 2nd system status hence no DVD player in the Wii/Wii U. Thing is even if a Sony/MS insider told Nintendo what they as aiming for with the X4/PS5 and Nintendo matched it, Sony and MS would leap frog the NX and forced it back into the same space as the Wii U.
I would prefer Nintendo to get the right artitecture, making it easier for devs to scale and port games to it.
@opeter this is a good move.
They need to improve and streamline their digital distribution. Rather than stumble through it, partnering with DeNA is a wise move and save them a lot of time.
They need to integrate platforms and involve mobile devices somehow. Again, rather than bumble with it, involving DeNA is a wise move. Nintendo ultimately have creative input on all games, but does disneys palace pets detract from star wars battlefront on pc? No totally different markets and formats. A mario based app will not affect sales of a full format title
So those of us that don't have a 3DS, we can finally ignore the 3ds hurray!!! Many of those series will be on mobile and then we have a new console called NX coming as well, cool.
DENA has some OK games already on mobile such as games partnered with Square Enix, Marvel games and so on.
I am happy to see this news, Nintendo finally starting to come to this generation of gaming, online, tablet/phone and so on.
@Danrenfroe2016 Actually smartphones now have more thinking games than anything on Nintendo right now. Tons of tactical RPGs, turn based RPGs, games involving a lot of math, thinking, chess type thinking, and the quality of the graphics and sound and gameplay is way past what 3DS has by far.... there are 8 core processors and GPUs that are very powerful on mobile devices right now, so IDK what you are thinking. I guess you think mashing buttons on smash bros is for smart people compared to tactical games on mobile?
@opeter I agree people don't understand that this is just a way for Nintendo to go 3rd-party. They will end up being like SEGA, sadly I hate saying this. But it's the truth.
I think this is great! Make money from iPhone, iPad and Android fanboys (with free to play, microtransactions and all that kind of stuff they like) and then use all that money to make more hardware and console software.
I loved the Tomb Raider franchise but I was seriously let down by the mobile apps. That never stopped me buying the TR games. It nearly did tho. As long as DeNA don't cop out - and I'm sure Nintendo won't let them - then we don't have to worry about it. Personally, I think it can only do them good.
I feel like Im caught in the mix with a bunch of politics junkies lol... "Oh, Nintendo's gonna be the next Sega just you watch!" And "this is a smart idea to modernize and move forward!".
They're just raking in a little extra cash is all.
When we actually find out what it is, anyone like to bet Sony and MS will copy it?
@GamerJunkie These games aren't going to replace Nintendo's handhelds, they are basically going to be advertisements.
It's too early to be calling doom for Nintendo or its brand of games - there are bluetooth controllers, we know NOTHING about NX, and the positive reviews from substitute products just might finally help get Nintendo's stuff together.
Here's hoping Nintendo brings bluetooth controllers and REAL gaming to the mobile arena as they advertise their usual wares in the mobile space.
And here's hoping for healthy competition - new studios making games with story and not shoehorning gimmicks, or perhaps executing games well as Nintendo is less oft to do lately, like no arena battle stages in MK8.
I want this to be a win-win.
@kereke12 So trying to increase brand awareness and revitalize stagnant hardware sales increases their chances of going 3rd-Party?
A smart thing would be to figure out a way to stream games from their console to smart devices, Kind of how Nvidia does with GRID. Imagine pulling out your tablet and hooking into your console, or a console in the cloud, and loading up xenoblade chornicles x.
Its a sign of the times. Trust me, I'm 33. I miss the days when all you needed was a cartridge and a password. I am confident that Nintendo knows what they are doing though.
This could go many ways but I would like to see simple game apps from nintendo, and a separate handheld that can connect and stream with the home console and or your smartphone. Imagine linking the handheld with your phone and being able to use phone apps on the device as well as games. Kind of like how the apple watch connects with the iphone.
@GamerJunkie You're missing out.
@opeter I will always prefer the handheld to the smartphone for gaming. Buttons and a dedicated system will always work better for quality games. Think of how many versions of android are out there and how many games get released and work fine until an update and then you paid $5 for something that just crashes every time you open it. Look at the upcoming Xenoblade Chronicles 3d port coming out next month. It runs native on the hand held, but would need to be heavily modified to run on a smart phone, not to mention you phone runs more than just that game, so kiss your battery life goodbye.
Yes, but there are other system also (aka iOS from Apple, Windows Phone) ... and you can buy tons of stuff, like physical gamepad add-ons etc. for your phone/tablet.
Here you go:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/19/moga-ace-power-iphone-ios7/
http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/10/image-of-logitechs-ios-7-gamepad-leaks-on-twitter
The thing you are talking is just software problem and Google needs to fix the fragmentation of it's OS. Or the others (Nintendo) needs to adapt. Simple.
Anyway, the statistics says, that you get the most money from the Apple platforms (eco-systems) if you are selling you stuff there.
Not to mention PSN, Xbox Live/Store, Steam ... Nintendos eShop is a joke compared to these.
I truly think any involvement with smartphone games is the beginning of the end. Nintendo has realised that smartphone games will give them huge profits but releasing a new console too early will force Microsoft and Sony to release their next consoles early to try and make it irrelevant hence leaving Nintendo with their core audience for the console and lots of smartphone users for smartphone games.
I'd love to be wrong and that smartphone games will bring in lots of people to the new console though I honestly think if anything it'll reduce console sales.
@GamerJunkie thinking games, sure I agree, but games that require timing and multi button input? A touchscreen just cannot replace physical buttons and an analog stick in my book. Imagine how frustrated one would get trying to play mutant mud, punch out or even the original smb. Touchscreens are just not well suited to gaming as. I define it. That's the main reason I never got a 3DS. I had and loved my phat DS, but honestly the touchscreen part was the worst part of the DS. And again the touchscreen is the worst part of the Wii U.
I need buttons! LOL
@abe_hikura
I think it's grossly irresponsible for anyone to take anything any company said about a product 10 years from now as some kind of probability. It took less than 10 years for Smart Phones to completely change how we use phones. Sony's casual conceptualizations on the PS5 right now mean absolutely nothing.
No matter what, it will not be what they say it might be right now. The technology changes between now and then will be far too drastic.
In the same vein, there's a joke in science and skepticism circles that "the next major innovation is always 5 years away" as every tech, computer, electronics, futurist company out there--as well as a lot of development sciences commonly state that the next big change, innovation, or integration of something is "5 years away." It's pretty much never accurate.
So what Sony--or anybody--thinks they're going to have for technology 5~10 years from now, they're wrong and that is always subject to major changes.
@Grumblevolcano
It won't necessarily force MS and Sony to release their next consoles. The estimated release point for the NX is 2016~2018. At that time, like the X360 and PS3 before them, the XBO and PS4 will be right firing on all cylinders in at the peak of these consoles and this generation.
It's more likely that Nintendo will flat-out be ignored in this environment, particularly with the piss-poor relationships they have with 3rd parties now. They need to fix those 3rd party relationships immediately or them releasing hardware to zero fanfare while their competitors are at their strongest is precisely what will happen.
"and our previous 'no thanks' stance is now out-of-date"
I'm not quite understanding this mentality at all. Nintendo are choosing to do something that you don't think is a good idea or something that interests you, and because of that it's time to flip flop? Just because Nintendo changed their stance doesn't mean yours is out of date. Pretty sure this is what thinking consumers do; purchase what they're actually interested in, not just support everything because Nintendo suddenly does.
@Ootfan98
You mean like they copied the GamePad?
Yeah, if it fails, they aren't going to care.
@TonyBoySP
To be fair, if the game hardware isn't successful, but mobile is, they aren't going to take money from a thriving concept and dump it into a failing one. What would be the point of that? They'd just be dumping their profits down the trash.
If their consoles continue to fare as poorly as the Wii U (and the 3DS has been losing support steadily since 2012), then there is no good reason for them to continue making them. This way, if the NX fails like the Wii U, they can have mobile to keep themselves afloat.
@Opeter sure you can get the gamepad, but most of them make the whole make sure the gamepad supports the game, or the buttons won't map correctly. I'm not saying it can't be done, I just don't think it would be done as well as on a dedicated console, same reason why emulators are always a few generations behind even though a PC's hardware trounces over a console.
@Quorthon yeah. I'm confident that sony statments was actuslly to "big up" ps now. Think we need at least a year to see where game development on the current systems is going before guesses can be made on what sort of specs the next gen, will graphical fidelty still be important or will devs focus on making more elaborate games. I'm sure the NX is at that conceptual stage and specs aren't bringing looked at
@Geonjaha I think they meant "they did it anyways, so our previous opinion holds no water"
OT: Given DeNA will be undertaking the brunt of the mobile developement, there's no reason to worry about Nintendo's handhelds and consoles: let alone if said mobile games are concieved to be advertisements to their console/handheld games.
Given how the NX is called a "platform", I expect at least a console and handheld running the in same architechture and OS, possibly both running ubiquitous ARM chips.
As long as they don't flat out abandon their consoles, I'm not concerned.
"Key areas to note - meanwhile - in terms of the smart device games that are coming, are that Nintendo has ruled out direct ports of Wii U and 3DS games, in particular; the key philosophy is that dedicated consoles will still host the experiences many of us treasure the most."
I feel like this is going largely unnoticed, which is bad for Nintendo.
I don't think anybody should be freaking out about Nintendo becoming Sega, abandoning traditional hardware consoles and just making mobile software. As Iwata stated, they are just making mobile games (that would be like a modified demo of a real nintendo game) so ppl around the world can appreciate Nintendo IPs more and realise how great Nintendo is.
Also, Iwata announced that they are developing a new gaming platform called 'NX' which would stand for 'Nintendo cross-platform' if you know that they merged their console and handheld divisions together. This means that Nintendo is not abandoning hardware business, but doing more with it.
Also the partnership with DeNa is for helping with the mobile games and to help Nintendo understand third parties more, so they can properly gear up for their next console which will be a handheld and home console as its codenamed 'NX' (nintendo cross-platform). I do hope that they do their next console to bring back third-parties (FINALLY!) so a nintendo console won't have to be a secondary console alongside a ps or xb or whatever. I think they should announce this in 2016 (as they stated) confirm it and release it in 2017 so that way the wii u and 3ds will have their regular console lifespan (5-6 years).
I do have faith in nintendo and they won't abandon the hardware business. They started it if u remember after they saved video games in 1985.
@Quorthon I am surprised it took you this long to bite 😄
Three points I would summarize this news:
First, Nintendo is not going to port its Nintendo console experience to smart devices. They are planning to make completely new games that suits the touch screen functionality.
Second, They are not going to abandon their hardware-software gaming development, as Nintendo is going to reveal their future game platform codenamed: NX, and they also said that their passion for making hardware and software video games has become stronger even after collaborating with a mobile software publisher like DeNA.
Finally, this will help Nintendo in attracting hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of consumers who are on fence of buying a Nintendo product. Let's face it, dedicated video games share are overwhelmed by the smart devices, and I can see why Nintendo is going with this approach.
Why... just why? You don't need to fix what ain't broken! They are gonna stretch themselves too thin. Nintendo should really just stick to video games. This very well could be the beginning of the end.
People always complain that Nintendo is behind the times. This is their chance to prove everyone wrong and evolve. Though to be fair this could easy go both ways. Chases the casual market can be a dangerous business.
@Danrenfroe2016 ummmm... I play sports games, boxing games, action rpgs and many more games just fine with touch screen, it has multi input now where it detects everything very well. BTW you can use controllers with your tablet or phone... I have played using my PS4 controller with my tablet. You just are speaking about stuff you don't know about. My Nvidia Tablet is 10x stronger than the 3DS and has way better graphics, resolution, sound and everything else.
This is now 2004... 2015 bro, go look into modern tablets and see what they can do graphics wise and gaming wise, it will surprise you.
Guess they finally made Iwata cave.
Dedicated nintendo mobile cell device please. And Nintendo will get my $$$!
Bombs have been dropped today!
Honestly, this isn't as bad as people make it out to be. This, along with QOL is going to attract the mobile gamers and non-gamers, attracting a lot of extra money in the process if done right. It will also allow Nintendo to not dumb down their dedicated gaming hardware in order to appeal to that audience.
They can use the mobile games to not only bring in a lot of extra money from people who will likely only play games on smartphones, but possibly attract some of them to their dedicated gaming hardware.
Basically, Nintendo is trying to expand their horizons and earn money from everyone. What's so bad about that?
Providing Nintendo IP as a teaser demo for a console based system makes a lot of sense. I hope that in addition Nintendo will provide companion phone applications to your console game (linked to your club Nintendo account) so you can play mini games to improve your HP, get extra lives, tips, notifications etc. back in the main console game. Using mobile games as a platform to keep the player interested and help make progress in a console game during brief "mobile" moments (waiting for the bus etc) would drive console game sales and keep you coming back to the console to redeem your mobile achievements.
They should make Pokemon phone games with items you can transfer to your Pokemon games. Just a thought.
I think signals a shift toward a Steam-like system. Hopefully Nintendo will keep making games though, unlike Valve.
@Azooooz I tend to agree with you on all of this, pretty sad few people are looking at this situation in the light you are.
This won't end well is all I can say. The main draw for Nintendo hardware is that it is the only place you can play their games... take that away and...
My latest nintendo theory: Old men in a darkened room making tosses at a dartboard.
@Edwintalksshrek They will for sure make some pokemon type series, it will dwarf sales of any pokemon on nintendo hardware too as everybody will want it and already own a tablet/phone to play it on.
I see the mobile market as potentially being a supplement to the main market, in the way that arcade games are already.
Still think though that a Nintendo produced phone/tablet would have done well in Japan though.
@Franklin Maybe in time they'll be ready to make a Nintendo phone, but they don't have a good track record with hardware at this point. What they're doing now is a good first step.
Oh, NintendoLife. Yes-men to the last.
Yeah, this is a complete 180 degree turnaround from their previous messaging. Nintendo is not as consistent with their focus today as they used to be. I'm not quite sure what to think about all of this yet, but it's not a good feeling. I don't think it's the beginning of the end, but I'm not thrilled with this sharp change in direction. I'm worried that Nintendo's executives might be succumbing to the temptations of the modern market. DeNA is a company that specializes in free to play titles with lots of monetization- a type of game library which is very different from Nintendo's traditional offerings. I am not looking forward to the possibility of FTP model business tactics and DRM-laden antics to follow.
"We have, in the past, made arguments that it's a mistake for Nintendo to simply direct its IP onto smart devices. Upon hearing the news today, however, there's a feeling of optimism - for this writer at least - at what has been announced..."
In other words, the content of these articles has changed with the passing of a gust of wind...
"Let's consider the strengths of DeNA, in particular, and what it could bring Nintendo gamers. Beyond its smart device expertise in terms of games, it specialises in e-commerce and online infrastructure for significantly-sized businesses..."
They also specialize in the free to play monetization model, which has traditionally run directly counter to Nintendo's marketing and gaming strategies, and indeed, as many have argued in the past of the mobile phone and tablet arena, runs counter to Nintendo's core methodology of game design. These two companies are incompatible from a traditional stand point. A big shake up behind the scenes was probably necessary to make this deal happen.
"What it doesn't mean, in our view at this stage, is the beginning of the end. This isn't a 'Sega' moment, in which Nintendo is taking moves towards solely making games and stepping out of hardware..."
I don't think it's a Sega of America (NOT Sega as a whole, an important distinction) moment either, but the fact remains that Nintendo is moving away from their traditional designs and messaging by embracing this partnership. The possibility exists that Nintendo will forget their roots in favor of chasing the young stud/vixen on the block. In that sense, that's kind of doing what Sega of America (NOT Sega of Japan) did with launching the Saturn- trying to chase the hot new commodity while forgetting their roots and failing to understand their loyalists. If you don't even have your loyalists on board, you're in trouble.
Change isn't always bad. I think it's a smart move, their consoles aren't that powerful. But you'll never know, NX is sounding pretty interesting so far.
Goals/ ideas:
Animal crossing outfit building smartphone app - QR code the outfit into your game
Tamagotchi style pokemon app - check your daycare pokemon or special conditions in an app
wii fit: health features on your phone that are relayed into your game
streetpass relay: use your phone to relay streetpasses
Key point is that they serve to enhance the MAIN game on a Nintendo platform.
@Peach64 "Nintendo aren't in the business for the love of games"
...WAT?! Yes, I'm sure they'd prefer to be making shoe soles...WAT?!
and the three men I admired most
Mario, Link, and Boo the ghost
they all jumped to mooobile phones.
the day
the gaming
died
@PlywoodStick Sadly I think we can safely say without seeing data that Pokémon Shuffle was hugely successful in terms of buying gems using eshop credit. There's no way this would've gone ahead if Pokémon Shuffle was a complete flop.
Change is indeed scary, but look at it like this; Nintendo's official websites have always had little games on them (flash games or what have you). But I don't ever recall anyone saying "Nintendo gets into PC gaming! The end is nigh".
@Grumblevolcano Seriously, you think they based these decisions on that game alone? If anything, that game was just a prelude to what's happening now, a telling sign of the whole (now uncovered) story.
It's amusing to see how these 'supporters/fans' love to quickly and unfairly throw in the banner that spells out 'doom and gloom' and assume the worst. It's as if they really want the company to fail and get out of the hardware business. Are sarcasm, double standards, false accusations and assumptions your only weapons against the company? Not being a fanboy here, but I'm getting really sick of you people who exhibit this kind of behavior.
Back on topic, I'll just have to be more cautious and wait to see how things will turn out for Nintendo and see how will they succeed by the end of the day. Their future is what I'm most concerned and interested of.
@faren916
When even Nintendo's core fanbase are only using the consoles as "Nintendo Boxes" and not full-blown game consoles, then yes, they want the company to go third party. They don't see Nintendo as a console maker, they see them as "Square-Enix with a box."
@Grumblevolcano
The timing is too close. These things take months of planning and negotiations--there's just no way that Pokemon Shuffle instantly led to this new mobile deal barely a month after release.
After all, consumers and investors have been bombarding Nintendo with pleas to go mobile for over two years. This was a long time coming, and a long time in the works.
@abe_hikura
Well, part of the conceptual stage is dealing with potential specs and reward vs cost.
@Technosphile
Every decision Nintendo makes is right.
If Nintendo hired the Yakuza to burn down Sony offices with the employees locked inside, then sold their kids off to slavery just to completely split up the families, Nintendo fans would still agree with it. Because Nintendo.
@Quorthon Don't worry, for every fanboy there's a troll. And that's true for every company, even the one you support, believe it or not.
@Quorthon I would imagine if the NX's concept is as all new as iwata suggested I would any specs at the moment would be aimed at getting it to work, then the gaming specs would be discussed afterwards
How is this even comparable to a "Sega moment"? Nintendo themselves indicated new hardware was on the horizon in the same press announcement. This isn't a restructuring, its diversification.
Opening up Nintendo Life.
Seeing a bunch of articles about "DeNA".
Opening up 3-4 of them, hoping one of the articles would explain at least in short, more about what this "DeNA" is.
...reading, reading...I am sure its there somewhere, but why should it be so hard to find?
Oh well, Google time...
Don't know if I'm missing the point but I will be quite angry in the future if I have to buy a stupid %$# smartphone or tablet to play a new Nintendo IP like the Legend of Zelda, Mario, Star Fox, Fire Emblem, or Pokemon.
I doubt that Nintendo would leave the Home Console console market before it's competition...
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