Study Finds That US Consumers Are Buying Wii U For Its Fun Factor And Kid-Friendly Nature

Xbox One's first reason? "Brand."

That's pathetic...

yeah saw this a few hours ago.

Have to say Nintendo is the only one on there with good reasons.

Couple of the XBO reasons make no sense and only 1 (perhaps 2) of the PS4 ones make sense.

My list would go like this.

1 Exclusive Games/Content
2 Price/Value
3 Fun-Factor
4 Better Resolution
5 Backwards Compatibility

"innovative features" is a big fat lie. My brother has a Xbone and I yet to see anything that remotely "innovative".

Good to know. They should do a survey on Europe too.

1. FIFA/PES
2. GTA*
3. COD
4. Graphics
5. What my dad wants.

*updated

I buy Nintendo consoles first and foremost because I'm a fan of Nintendo's characters/ IPs. The fact that the majority of those games are also kid friendly and ones that I can play together with my 5 year old son is a great bonus. PS3 / PS4 have been my secondary console to the Wii / WiiU, and on those I mostly play horror themed games that often aren't released on Nintendo's consoles. Honestly, if I had to choose just one, even if I didn't have kids, I'd go with Nintendo. Nintendo's 1st party IPs are the reason I started playing video games as a kid, and the reason I still play today.

@outburst you forgot GTA. Lol

Xbox One has innovative features?

I'm surprised they found enough people to survey who bought a Wii U to even include the stats.

Also surprised Wii to Wii U ownership isn't higher than 86%, I hardly know anybody who doesn't own a Wii. I guess a few PS/XB owners picked 1 up for Bayonetta 2.

It's not surprising that 86% of Wii U owners had a Wii. I'd say that most of the people who bought a Wii U and a Wii might also have a 3DS or a DS. It'd be interesting to find out what percent of people that own a Wii U also owned GameCube.

Here are my top 5 factors.
1. Exclusive Games/Content
2. Fun-Factor
3. Backwards Compatability
4. Price/Value
5. Multiplayer: I'm not really sure wether this falls under the Fun-Factor category but I'm putting it here anyway. The Wii U has the best multiplayer out of any of the current consoles. What other console can have 8 people play at once with doing a system link? Not to mention online play is completely free!

@Ootfan98
Haha. Updated the list.

6th reason was 'because the other 2 don't fit under my telly'.

Which game library on PS4 are they talking about?

So only for Wii U fun factor is the top priority. And it is totally non existent for PS4. Yet the latter has sold way more. Tells you a lot about gamers.

@Chaozrush21 @StephenYap3 Once they incorporate Windows 10 into it it'll be pretty cool but currently I'm not really sure there are any innovative features on the Xbox One.

Too bad that the logic of those people have is wrong. Most kids these days play Call of Duty and game on tablets and smartphones.

What about Wii U's free online? No mention of that...

It's an odd way to break all of this down. I assume we're all already playing video games because they're fun. I bounce between Nintendo and Sony because they each have games I want to play. I skipped the PS3 and have no PS4 plans at this point, but I do wish now I had gotten a PS3. No room for it, and plenty of back catalog, but there was some good stuff there.

I have to assume for all of them it's a swirl of games you want to play, features that you want, price, what your friends have, and future potential.

Fun local multiplayer games
Exclusives
Gamepad
Graphics (Yeah, I know the other two are supposedly more powerful, but I think the Wii U's games look sharp too)
Value (no hidden costs, can use old controllers, don't have to pay to play online, can get by w/out hard drive, don't have to load games onto hard drive)

1. Small Kids I want to introduce to gaming
2. Microsoft's horrible press conference DRM mess (owned a 360 prior)
3. Budget (Price/Value)
4. Fun Factor of Nintendo Exclusives
5. Backwards Compatibility

Count me in as someone who didn't own a Gamecube OR a Wii. That's why backwards compatibility was such a big thing for me, cuz right from the get-go I had a huge selection of games I've never played before to try during the system launch drought.

Nothing Neilson does is very accurate so don't take too much stock from these poll results.

Xbox One has innovative features?(2)

Reason number 6 : Because i already own a PC gaming system

Ugh, once again the main reason people buy the PS brand is because of "teh preetee peekchorz!". Yawn.

The man in the picture has two wives.

I found it interesting that only 43% of XB1 owners had owned the PS3, where %59 of PS4 owners had owned a 360. Could suggest that many Xbox owners are just trusting the Microsoft Brand like the second part shows.
This also reflects that most new console owners have owned more than one console in a generation in the past.

The top 5 reasons for owning it really are fascinating.

@alLabouTandroiD Mine would be similar, except the price realy didn't come into the equation for me. Exclusive Nintendo content really is where it's at, and I'd have gotten a Wii U even if it costed the same as a PS4.

@rjejr I didn't own a Wii! Been a Nintendo fan since the NES, but motion controls are 100% not my thing, so I stuck to my DS last generation. I do see your point, though.

Soo...am i the only one not understanding why "fun factor" isnt the number one pick with any entertainment media device ?
Also, game library on the Ps4 ? Really ? The device that sports a whopping 5 exclusive games after roughly 14 Months ?

This illustrates how hilariously uninformed consumers are of these things. For instance, the Xbox One is not the most powerful console (so it's funny to see that consumers seem to think both are the faster), and the PS4 has by far the most exclusives--and most of the XBO's innovative features were dumped. Nintendo still cannot escape the kiddie image? Should've packed the console with Bayonetta 2. And honestly, who the hell is buying a PS4 for a Blu-Ray player as a high priority? If all you want is a Blu-Ray player, you can get a stand-alone for 1/4 the cost.

Does nobody do any research at all before buying consoles these days? Actually, come to think of it, remembering back to my Best Buy days, they were probably fed poor information from one of the ill-informed sales people. Most sales people are basically trained to say "Nintendo" if a parent asks what's good for kids.

1. Characters and IP I love
2. More kid friendly games that are actually good and not just advertising
3. More same-room multiplayer options and actual progress in that genre

Unlike many others I loved the experimental nature of the Wii. For instance, even though Wii Music was a failure on many levels but it was a far more interesting way to approach music in games than the Rock Band/Guitar Hero approach.

So, I was onboard for the GamePad experiment right when I saw it.

Little bit of topic but...I was thinking about this: I'm i the only one seeing a similarity between the video games market now and the one from early 80's. Just before the crash. I mean the market is now flooding with cheap PC games port on 3 different platforms (PC,PS4,XBone) and in some case iOS and Android. Consumers are not dumb and someday they'll start to ask why. (just look at the recent review of The Order 1886 for example.)

I agree with all those. Wii U is simply the best system for kids, and my kids love it. Too much actually.

@Einherjar

Actually, the PS4 has more exclusives than that, and far, far more than anyone else lined up for 2015, some very high profile. Perhaps you've heard of Street Fighter V or Bloodborne?

This release schedule helps: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/02/17/2015-video-game-release-schedule.aspx

Do a search for any console in parentheses (denoting an exclusive) and you find the following:

Currently known 2015 games - exclusive/total:
3DS: 15/29
Wii U: 15/35
Vita: 30/117
Xbox One: 18/108
PS4: 72/245
PC: 45/167

@XFujin

I've noted similarities between modern gaming and the 2nd Generation before, but your reference to The Order, which is a solid, but generic experience, doesn't quite fit it. Android and iOS are more at risk to causing damage to the industry, and the over-sales of places like Steam, which encourage players to never pay full price for a game, which damages revenue and causes people to buy more games than they'll ever play, which will one day, very likely, backfire.

Nintendo is contributing to a new problem by allowing literally anything on their console just to have games there, and padding it with old ports and remakes--another one of the major problems of modern gaming.

However, I think the biggest issue is that we still hold on to these stupid logo boxes and don't have a unified platform concept, which prevents gaming from spreading as far as film, television, and music. The reason so much development is being done on mobile is for the giant audience, but there is no regulation--there needs to be regulation.

A unified platform with different digital shops, and reading all physical games would be ideal, then individual publishers/shop runners (which would then be Nintendo, Sony, MS, Capcom, Square, EA, Activision, etc) could control their own quality and standards. Any third party controller works, and anyone can make different levels of consoles--and this would bring in the revenue the industry will need for the massively expensive modern development budgets.

By the way, Game & Wario reviewed worse than The Order, and was released at a critical time when Nintnedo needed to get some attention-grabbers out. These things happen.

Yeah I agree with the five points. Its totally logical since Nintendo has been running this formula since the super nes days. As much as I don't like this formula its what we get from them. I just think that loyal gamers have grown up and should be offered more to chew on in regards to some more mature content. Loyal buyers are also going to buy the system for their kids so why not combine the two. Give mom and dad some mature content and give the kiddies cute and fun. I guess they try but most don't think that they do. I just hate to see Nintendo slowly fading away. I hope they go to 1 system soon. Sorry Wii-U but your not the one. A super powerful 3DS which can be played portable or on your TV with the Ability to wirelessly hookup extra controllers for get togethers.

@Quorthon Ironically when I took Game & Wario last year for my Club Nintendo reward I did not expect much, but it has somehow become the most entertaining family game in the house. We have wasted more time on the stupid microphone tricks, Sketch and the fling game than anything else collectively. (Disclaimer: Mileage may vary for others)

well that's sad... I'd prefer to buy a console for it's fun factor than just because it has good graphics or for brand recognition, which this last one is a pathetic reason.

My top 5 reasons why I bought a Wii U:

#1: Fun Games.

#2: Exclusive Content.

#3: Great Local Multiplayer.

#4: Free Online.

#5: Backwards Compatible.

The only downside is that there aren't many JRPG's available for the console "my favorite game genre".

Funny how PlayStation 4 doesn't even have "Fun-Factor" listed at all. It's just about the power, not what developers make of it - the most powerful console in the world is worthless if it doesn't have any great games to back it up (but tell that to PS4 rageheads).
I have a WiiU because it's not just a cable box. It's a console that encourages creativity, just like the Wii and DS did - less power, more innovation, and that's what provokes creative developers to go all-out on it. Sadly, people fail to appreciate that, instead opting for impressive, but ultimately meaningless visual experiences.

Nintendo games are the ones that interest me; i dont find modt xbone games fun, plus I dislike M$. If I ever get another brand of console, it'd probably be sony

Nintendo games are the ones that interest me; i dont find modt xbone games fun, plus I dislike M$. If I ever get another brand of console, it'd probably be sony

That seems like a really weird bunch of choices for me. Isn't fun factor because of the games? Isn't better for kids because of the games?

@Darknyht

Yeah, it happens sometimes. Reviews aren't everything, and gamers forget that. Which is why it was funny/sad to see Nintendo fans eagerly championing their "winning" at Metacritic in 2014, but ignoring being beat in 2013, 2012, etc. Now there are going to be a bunch of buffoons clamoring to hate The Order 1886 without knowing the first thing about it. They'll cling to reviews, but ignore similar or worse reviews for Nintendo products (Wii Music, Pokemon Rumble U, Flingsmash, Urban Champion 3D, anyone?).

I actually own it, and I've played Game & Wario. I didn't care for Game & Wario, and The Order has it's draw, but I just have a "been there, done that" feeling with the game as Gears of War did this style better.

At the same time, reviews are generally subjective to whims and tastes. Tim Turi at GameInformer gave ZombiU one of it's lowest scores, but gave Resident Evil 5 one of it's highest--exactly the opposite of how the rest of the industry saw those two games, and the opposite of how I felt about them (ZombiU > RE5).

One of the games I had the most fun with was last-gen's Splatterhouse revival, which garnered scores around a 60%, but I really had a blast with it, but could see where it fell short. My kid constantly wants to play Nidhogg on the PS4, which reviewed really well, but didn't really do much for me. Go figure. Meanwhile, I took Wii Party U as my Club Nintendo freebie last year, my son and I played it once, tried a full board game and some mini-games, and then never went back to it.

@Kaze_Memaryu

The PS4 actually has quite a few great games, but it's silly to expect it to have some kind of magically high number when it's barely over a year old. The same was true of people who criticized the Wii U at this point in it's life.

I have a Wii U and a Xbox One as my secondary console, and 3DS is my handheld. Three consoles is too many, my backlog was ridiculous last generation because I had a 360, Wii, and PS3. Can't have that happen again.

Nothing terribly new here. Fun factor is what drives the Nintendo brand. It is a little weird that this was so low for XBone and not even mentioned for PS4 though. Makes me wonder what kind of questions they ask in these surveys which would skew the data so dramatically.

Sounds about right. Most of those reasons are why I got a Wii U

@Chaozrush21 I think the ability to side-by-side the game with TV was pretty cool, but other than that, it's pretty much standard Xbox.

@dariusq I think it's because Nintendo's system lacks everything else Sony's and Microsoft's systems has, that it stands alone. These results pretty much tell us what we already knew.

I think the funniest reason to buy a $350+ system is for the Blu-ray player!!!

My list would be:
1. Exclusives
2. Fun factor
3. Game library
4. Better for kids
5. Price/Value

My bottom 2 would be:
1. Brand???
2. Blu-ray player - who doesn't already own one?

These are all good reasons to own Nintendo consoles, although their #5 would be my #1. As far as the discussion about Nintendo being "kiddie", I agree. But to me, it's not the things like the games being colorful or the content, because Nintendo games have always been like that.

To me, the "kiddie" part is how over the past 10 years Nintendo has added an extra layer of "cute" to it's already colorful stuff. Every character speaks like a squeaky toy, there is a "toy like" gloss over everything in the Mario games.

I was playing Skyward Sword with a buddy of mine, and we got to the part when you first go down to the surface and have to find those 3 creatures by dowsing, and the "cuteness" level was actually uncomfortable. Each creature squeaks and squeals and wiggles and jiggles and you can literally just imagine a group of little kids playing it and laughing with glee. My friend and I kept awkwardly looking at each other, thinking "Kind of weird that 2 30 year old guys are doing this right now..."

Legend of Zelda, Adventure of Link, Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time... were colorful, but you didn't get the feel of "This was specifically made to appeal to kids" like you do with the new stuff. They were just games that had color.

Nintendo goes out of it's way to add the kid-like touches to it's games nowadays, in my opinion...

@Quorthon
"Now there are going to be a bunch of buffoons clamoring to hate The Order 1886 without knowing the first thing about it. They'll cling to reviews, but ignore similar or worse reviews for Nintendo products (Wii Music, Pokemon Rumble U, Flingsmash, Urban Champion 3D, anyone?)."
Your characterizations of "Nintendo fans" are so odd to me. Are they supposed to suggest that they are somehow worse than other video game fans?

I will say that those particular sets of reviews were pretty surprising given the way that same media was piling on Nintendo and Wii U since its launch. I also find that many reviews I've read often discount the same-room multiplayer aspects I like and I'm guessing it's because they don't have time to get groups together and play unless it's something big like SSB. That has suggested to me a slant against one of Nintendo's strengths. They rarely value a game for content that is inclusive to all ages.

Furthermore, those reviews came at a critical time where there was a sizeable contrast in the library of games at that time. Why wouldn't Nintendo fans point that out even if review averages in general don't hold particular weight with them. Sometimes you need to make arguments with factors others value more than you.

You're telling me people play video games to have FUN!? Stop the madness! If it weren't for this scientific study... I never would have known! In light of these findings, I'm going to have to re-evaluate everything I believe to be true.

I have a wii u because its nintendos new console. Because of the gamepad features like off tv play. I play all the time and wife never complains. It's also for the kids. It has mario/Zelda/ metroid. Free online and with backward conpatibilty, I can play over 300 games and had enough controllers to play 8 person smash day 1 without need of extra comtrollers. the only game that after years of playing PS3 too, I wish I had on wii u is dark souls. I firmly believe true gamers have a wii u next to whatever other gaming device(s) they have. A 3ds counts too since it's awesome.

@rjejr
There's actually about 10 million Wii U owners out there. Not so few as one might think. I mean, even now with struggling sales, there's STILL one Wii U owner for every eight PS3 owners, a beacon of home console gaming with close to 6 figure sales that has been around for a decade. Not so bad when you think about in in those terms. I mean, had Wii U never even hit 10 mil after the entire generation, I'd say ownership jokes would be in order. But all things considered it's not actually doing THAT bad, especially taking into account how bad people make it sound sometimes. I bet Wii U goes on to 20 million lifetime sales, which is not unheard of. In fact, back when GameCube and Xbox landed at 20 million, no one thought it that big a deal. Now the sky is falling if a console sells that much. I blame the rise of fan sites.

Sounds about right. The people who aren't ignorant to Nintendo's great games buy the system for exactly that. I have more fun with even with Nintendo's virtual console service than I get from my PS4 or Xbox One. And that's not a slight against Sony or MS- I like their systems too- it's just that the amount of fun I have on Wii U by comparison is immeasurable.

So pretty much the same thing ever generation, give or take a point or two.

@Quorthon
"Now there are going to be a bunch of buffoons clamoring to hate The Order 1886 without knowing the first thing about it. They'll cling to reviews, but ignore similar or worse reviews for Nintendo products (Wii Music, Pokemon Rumble U, Flingsmash, Urban Champion 3D, anyone?)."

I hope you don't point at my last post of what i was saying about The Order. If you liked it, its fine, i was expecting this game but now i'll pass or wait for a 15$ used deal. I could have said Destiny you know... and of course there is bad games on Wii U. Every console have.... Anyways i liked you reply.

My point was that it feels like the industries is shifting to easily ported games, amazing graphics, big marketing, 5-10 hours of gameplay and still asking 70$ for. And add a few DLCs and in-game transaction on top of that .

As a videogame consumer i refuse to support this type of behavior and will support the true last game console available that offers me more fun for my money: the Wii U.

@Chaozrush21 Yea, it reads like official Microsoft advertising bullet points. XBox doesn't have that many exclusives do they? Titanfall comes to mind but not sure what else

"Study Finds That US Consumers Are Buying Wii U For Its Fun Factor"
last i checked isn't having fun the whole point of video games.

I think it is really interesting that the console which is selling the fastest seams to be bought primarily because it has the strongest processors and Highes resolution ....
Meanwhile the slowest selling console is bought because of it's games .... this shows the mindset of "gamers" nowadays ...

@Mus1cLov3r The sheep of the gaming industry. Then again I jump for every new Mario game.

@XFujin

I'm not going to pick and choose consoles based on something everyone is doing. I like what the PS4 in general is doing now, even if I disagree with certain games, concepts, or the actions of certain publishers. I find it appalling that we're now spending $110 for the "full version" of some games, and rarely buy DLC. But Nintendo is heading down this road now as well, and what's disappointing is that they aren't necessarily doing anything better given the crude manner in which Rusty's Real Deal Baseball tries to sell content, or the absolutely atrocious F2P model of that Pokemon puzzler. Hyrule Warriors had a huge season pass--on which I passed. I did buy the Mario Kart DLC for some reason, despite my interest in that game dropping almost immediately.

At the same time, there are games and developers out there who aren't following this nickel-and-diming nonsense of companies like EA and, let's face it, Nintendo. But Nintendo is trying to sell plastic figures you can't find in order to sell micro-DLC attached to them, and in a sense, this is to unlock content that's "already on the disk." I'm not buying into the ridiculously expensive PS Now for that matter either as it is not a good deal and I'm surprised Sony didn't make it better after the backlash.

There are a lot of bad deals. I'm not saying it's bad to support Nintendo of course, but we shouldn't pretend that they're sticking to some classic standard when they're adopting the same modern nonsense as other guys. But there are also loads of good deals. Valve put out DLC for Portal 2 for free. That GravBlocks+ game made a point of putting "no microtransactions" in the trailer, for instance.

There are places selling "in game money" for loads of real money everywhere--Steam, Sony's Store, Microsoft's Store, and with that Pokemon game, now in Nintendo's store. I don't get that crap. I have no interest in buying that stuff.

My comment on The Order was more a general statement. The reviews are not great, and after my few hours with it, I can tell you it's biggest glaring problem is a typical "early new gen" problem--Too much focus on a great presentation due to the impressive new hardware ultimately falling on a relatively generic experience. This is a folly that hits all new consoles in the first year, year and a half or so. It happened with Lair and Perfect Dark Zero, and to be fair, it also happened with New Super Mario U. There certainly wasn't anything "new" about that game except for the HD graphics.

It's a little sad, but given the way the industry works these days, The Order will be better judged by it's sequel or lack thereof. A solid sequel could redeem this title. Borderlands is a lot of fun, but the first game has a lot of drawbacks--the DLC and sequel proved the franchise was worth the wait.

My complaints about modern gaming are quite long-winded and detailed. There are a lot of things happening that I don't like seeing and that I worry could be very damaging.

@JaxonH - I think it's only 9 mil, and that's across the US, EU and Japan. The 9mil X1 are mostly in the US. PS4 is 18 mil.

I guess you're right though, if they found X1 and PS4 owners in the US they could find Wii U owners.

Do you know what kind of survey I'd really like to see - and maybe it was in here and I missed it - contentment and happiness w/ their respective console ownership. I bet Wii U owners are the happiest of the 3. PS4 owners are still waiting for stuff and X1 owners saw a $100 then a $50 price drop. I bet Wii U owners feel like they got what they paid for. Not sure where multiple next gen owners like yourself fit in, I think it only works w/ 1 next gen console per owner.

@Quorthon Nintendo does seem to get pricing better than most. I appreciate that they understand that not every game is automatically worth $60-70 (+DLC), and usually set a reasonable price for their games (Wii Party U and Game & Wario being two recent exceptions).

Their current model for DLC seems to be them trying to understand a market they have little experience in. I have confidence that eventually they will find that happy spot for most of it with the occasional screw-ups. I think the F2P Pokemon is one such screw-up, as was Pokemon Rumble U. Both seem to be rushed proof of concepts (F2P for one and NFC for the other), and I find it interesting that both came out of The Pokemon Company which Nintendo does not entirely control.

@aaronsullivan

I wouldn't call Nintendo fans "worse," but they are clearly very, very different, particularly the loud core.

These are the only group of gamers that routinely says things like "I wouldn't want that game or more options on my console anyway."
This is the only group that generalizes all third parties under the same hateful negative stereotypes.
This is the only group that puts value on the console while not supporting much of anything on that console except for a few key 1st party games.
This is a group that bemoans things like F2P games and DLC as evidence of "the other guys sucking" while ignoring or supporting the very same concepts from Nintendo.
This is the only group that champions lost 3rd party support as some kind of good thing.
This is the only group that has actively, adamantly stated a hatred for Achievements and is adamant that Nintendo should never do them, curiously, instead of championing the idea that Nintendo might do them better.
This is the biggest group demanding more remakes of games instead of more new games.

The single biggest difference is the bizarre adversarial nature this fanbase has against any third party or anyone that doesn't have that "Nintendo" logo on the front.

In truth, this loud core behaves more like the cult of Apple than your average gamer--who just wants to play games. This loud core that is increasingly coming to "define" the Nintendo fan is the worst kind of fanboy, where that logo is the most important thing to them. Even the worst Sony, MS, Steam, and PC fanboys still actually buy 3rd party games in large numbers.

Are Nintendo fans "worse?" No, that's entirely too subjective. Are they different? Oh hell yes. Often, to the detriment of the company they claim to love.

When Nintendo goes third party, it will be in part because of their out-of-touch management further marginalizing the company, but it will also be in part due to the fans, who refuse to allow the consoles to be regular game consoles instead of just "Nintendo boxes." The NES and SNES aren't two of the greatest consoles of all time just because of the 1st party games--they are two of the greatest consoles of all time because they were the Xbox or Playstation, or Atari 2600, of their era. Huge libraries of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party games, massive appeal, and huge game-loving audiences.

The number of people I see that don't seem to recognize this is deeply troubling for a company that wants to continue making consoles. I literally saw a guy here who said all he wants is Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon and he didn't need anything else. That's fine, that's his taste. But when Nintendo has to stop making consoles, part of the reason will be people like him.

@rjejr I'd like to see that as well, MS promised a lot and never delivered i.e Kinect

The price drops had to sting, but that had to be expected by the early adopters.

@Tazcat2011

MS dropped Kinect because everyone hated it.

@Quorthon LOL, I think I read that on a few forums.......

@Quorthon Some good points there. "Huge library" doesn't always mean quality, many games are just shovelware.

i've always just seen the Wii U as a console meant to play Nintendo's legacy franchises

Wii U=Kid Friendly Nature, PS4=What Families Want. Who are these people? And a majority of PS4 games are games from 3rd parties which weren't good

As someone said above, Nielson surveys are not very reliable.

I have the WiiU and purchased it for brand loyalty. The PS4 is my secondary and I still haven't played a game on it. I purchased all 3 consoles in the previous generation, but realize I didn't play 360 that much and the fans are down right obnoxious. I only played blue dragon on it and a really good JRPG by SquareEnix. ( don't remeber the name). PS3's JRPG collection is seriously good. I still Play the wii u more and 3ds. Vita is a secondary . Tales of heart was so good and the Japanese voices were like butter.

For the Nintendo fanboys mocking the fact that people buy the Xbox based on brand recognition/reputation.....you realize that is what every single one of you do with Nintendo consoles and games too, right?

Nintendo announces a new game or hardware and instantly you guys want it because 'Nintendo made it and they make good things'. Why do you find it shocking or bad that other people have the exact same feelings as you do for a different system? Embarrassing.

My #1 reason for getting the Wii U first was because of backwards compatibility. That and Mario Kart. I'll get one of the other two for KH3 at some point in the future. I skipped over the 7th generation, until I got a PS3 last month.

@Quorthon Sorry, didn't mean it like that. I mean that the hardcore PS4 fans often resort to comparing the performance of the consoles instead of showing good games to justify their praise. All they care about is that their console multimedia box is "stronger", not if it has worthwhile games or not.

@Quorthon Nope, 5 exclusive retail games:
Knack
Killzone
Infamous
DriveClub
The Order

Everything else is available on other platforms too.

And youve got to be kidding me with SF V being a "high profile" title O.o
Wake me up when it has become something more than just another version of SF 4 in disguise...

Youre right with Bloodborne though.
And in regards to their 2015 lineup: Lets wait and see. DriveClub was also scheduled to be a launch title

But jokes aside, the current exclusive lineup (especially regarding retail games) is abyssmal.

Also, im pretty mad at the system and sony in general since today, my PS4 died for no reason after 6 months of barely using it.
Let me tell you, a pretty hefty price for a cardboarf box only containing a faulty paperweight.
Aside from teh first gen 360, the PS4 has to be the most faulty "main" system to ever hit the market...

@Einherjar Hopefully you've got the warranty. Man, I really want me a PS4. But reading you're comment kind of makes me worry... Lol.

The real question: What % of Wii-U owners already owned every Nintendo Console (excluding Virtual Boy)? That would be me!

That includes:
NES
SNES
N64
GC
Wii

GB/GBC/GBA
DS/3DS

@VeeFlamesNL
The free online of Wii U is seldom mentioned because its a terribly limited service. Just very few online gaming options and its never been the smoothest connection for a lot of people. Their competition charges a small yearly fee but gives access to a host of free games every month.

@Darknyht
To be fair, Nintendo's pricing model is pretty flawed. It is great that they are running games like Kirby and Captain Toad at a lower price, but the issue is their games rarely ever drop in MSRP. A game could be 3+ years old and they are still pushing it for $59.99. Games for other consoles have price drops pretty routinely early in their life cycles and also tend to release editions that include the game with all the DLC for $39.99 release (which drops in price quickly as well). Never dropping in MSRP and lack of sales is a huge problem for Nintendo software.

If I got it right these reasons are those that consumers mentioned/pointed out, so what we have here is also a picture of what impressions each console left with its advertisment.
It's pretty obvious everyone did a good job in the image department since the consoles are selling with their strong points being exactly what Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft wanted them to be.

@darthllama I don't know if I would call it flawed per se. The problem with many games dropping in price so rapidly, and the thousands of ios/android games for as little .99c is slowly teaching gamers to devalue games. I for one have no issue dropping full RRP on a Nintendo title day 1, because I know that 3 years from now it will probably be the same price. On the other hand, I generally never buy Playstation titles within the first 6 months because I know they will drop in price, and by that stage I may have moved on...

In any case, years ago, here in Australia, the RRP on Nintendo games used to be $99.99, now they are $79. Games on other consoles still retail $99.99 now. I don't know what it's like/been like elsewhere in the world but glean from that what you will.

eh as a survey taker my self sometimes they dont have enough options to choose in these types of questions so yeah like someone else said take this with a grain of salt and not being too accurate

@Superstick If its library excites you, go for it !
Dont take my bad luck streak with Sony as an indicator for something.
Example: My PC peripherals are from a company called Roccat. Amazon reviews are 90% bad, mostly because of faulty hardware during the first 2 weeks !
And yet, my stuff is about a year old now Keyboard still lighted uo, Mousewheel still working like its day 1. Just keep an eye on your warranty, if you have the chance, expand it even.
400 bucks is a big deal and, well, the system IS faulty, just like the gen one 360s were.

@electrolite77 Exclusives dont matter ?`They are the bread and butter of every system !
If only third party multi plat titles matter, the PS4 is a piece of expansive trash. Go for a gaming PC or a One. Less faulty hardware, same games.

@Kaze_Memaryu

I'm not a fan of the "power versus power" arguments myself, with the exception of the unfortunate reality that Nintendo limiting the power of their systems has damaged their chances for third party support. For the most part, it's pointless. The PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One--by such a marginal amount that it will never be noticed.

@StarDust4Ever

I own them all including the Virtual Boy.

NES x2
SNES
N64
GameCube
Wii
Wii U
Game Boy
GB Pocket
GB Color
GBA SP
DS Lite x2
3DS
Virtual Boy

And I have Nintendo games that were published for ZX Spectrum, Atari 2600, and there's one or two more. Atari 7800, maybe?

@Einherjar

I'm sorry, you don't think Street Fighter is a high profile franchise? You don't think SFV will be a big deal? It makes me wonder if you're new to video games! This is a fighting franchise that defines fighting games.

Also, you're cherry-picking if you're ignoring digital games. Resogun, for instance. The Grim Fandango revamp is a Sony exclusive. Rogue Legacy. InFamous: First Light. They are still games and all companies have robust digital and physical libraries now.

@Quorthon
Nintendo players skew younger, maybe. They are less experienced and say stupid stuff sometimes due to unlearned lessons about sour grapes, etc. It seems you feel you have to rant and rave about it every time some youngster tries out his opinions on comment boards. :/ The way you often attack causes immature responses.

Sadly, it's not even just about young people but the entire internet of commenters who act without restraint or thought due to anonymity. Rather than add to the noise and cause a stir with needlessly argumentative and inciting words, I prefer to find common ground and be an example, myself, if possible. I don't always succeed, of course.

The particulars of the different types of childish behavior in different communities don't seem particularly important to me.

In my experience, there's quite a solid community of reasonable and friendly people here that will read and debate civilly. I hope you haven't missed that.

Tempted to talk more about all you wrote, but it will have to be another time. (Sorry for same reply in both threads but I thought they were similar enough.)

@Tazcat2011

The popular console always gets a lot of shovelware--look at the Wii and DS. Both systems had high sales, and two of the largest shovelware libraries in history.

However, noting that some games will be shovelware (which, with the exception of the Wii and DS due to the smaller power and different features), most shovelware is multi-platform in order to make the most money on the least amount of effort. At the same time, The Wii U has very few sales, and still found a ton of shovelware to clutter it up--sadly, from indies.

I guess, in the end, you just made a moot point--and clung to the negative. Sure, there will be some shovelware, but at the end, the PS4 still has way more exclusives than any other platform. The odds of a large number of quality games goes up.

Look at the PS2--the highest selling game hardware of all time. One of the biggest libraries of all time, with more shovelware than anyone else due to the high sales. At the same time, it also has one of the highest numbers (if not the highest number) of notable quality releases, and almost every major multiplatform game (barring the very rare titles that hit the Xbox and GameCube but somehow missed the PS2) of the generation.

Again, the Wii was a strange case--as it's shovelware was deliberately targeting the ignorance of the new casual audience, and the lower power meant the console missed out on the better multiplatform games. In the end, the Wii ended up with one of the largest shovelware libraries, but not one of the largest "quality" libraries to match it. Hell, even Nintendo delivered a boatload of shovelware to the thing with Wii Music, Flingsmash, Wii Play, etc. The Wii--and someone can correct me with actual facts (as in, not a fanboyish "oh yeaahhh??") if I'm wrong on this--also had more Mario-themed games than anything else from Nintendo, which did not make the console's library look very robust or varied.

@Quorthon First light is a standalone Add on to Second Son. Valid Point, but still "more of the same"
Resogun is now a Multiplat title, the same goes for Grim Fandango and Rogue Legacy

I was strictly talking about the big, exclusive fishes here, and there are 5 in total.You know, games you buy a new console for, because they are not on any other system.

In regards to SF: The franchise defined the genre, absolutely true, SF4 (especially SUPER) was a loveletter to the community.
SF5 on the other hand, is quite a laughing stock. It looks like SF4, it plays like SF4...its down to the details when its actually available.
And with the "Definitive" edition of SF 4 released at the same time, SF5 has hardly anything going for it at the moment.

The Fighting Game people ive talked to are much more hyped for Guilty Gear and a bunch of indie fighting games comming to Evo and other tourneys.

@quorthon
"The Wii U has very few sales, and still found a ton of shovelware to clutter it up--sadly, from indies."
Are you talking eShop? Because I think Nintendo has handled the Wii U eShop well enough that I don't find it cluttered with shovel ware at all. My perception from checking it weekly is that there are far more solid games I don't have time to play with the occasional junk coming to the surface only when I dig.

I'm almost oblivious to it all anyway, though, having sifted through the iOS App store for studying games that rise to the top there for the last 7 years, not to mention PC gaming and the biggest shovel ware infested store of all: the world wide web.

@aaronsullivan

With very rare exception, I do not attack anyone. I address post content.

I think common ground is, all too often, a cop-out. For a lot of things, there simply is no common ground. Take homeopathy for instance. There is no common ground between that bullsh!t and actual medical science--homeopathy is not medicine in any way, state, or form. It's pure bunk. No middle ground, at all. It's water being passed off as medicine for absurd amounts of money.

For something like, "what can Nintendo do to fix their issues," there can be some common ground. There are a wide variety of things Nintendo could do, and opinions and analyses will vary.

For something like "is Nintendo in trouble?" There really is no common ground. There are very obvious problems with the company these days. From a weak online infrastructure, to failing to appeal to casual audiences or the general gaming audience, to clumsy DLC and microtransaction policies, to dreadful contracts for YouTube channels, to simple failure in understanding the importance of something like voice chat in an online game, to perceived public irrelevance, to a failure to properly market their products, to a failure to even keep certain products in stores, to a failure in competing and constant wishy-washy "we're not competing" and simultaneous "we're a better value than the competition" lingo, to a failure at building a proper account-based user system.

There are problems. Lots of problems, and there is no middle ground between understanding this and some kid who thinks Nintendo is "doing great now" just because they managed a profit after 2~3 years of losses due to a weak yen not because they were actually selling better. In the same way that Sony is not "doing great" right now as they don't think they'll return to steady profits until 2017 as they are still picking up the pieces of their shattered phone, PC, and consumer electronics standing and divisions. Companies like Sharp, LG, and especially Samsung sucker-punched that company more than once and toppled them from a perch they once held. The PS4 is doing great, Sony is not. The Wii U is doing terribly with almost unnoticeable improvements, and Nintendo is struggling to support it, the 3DS, QOL development, and Amiibos all at once. There is no middle ground, sorry to say. This is the reality.

I do not miss the rational talkers and intelligent people on here. I have disagreed strongly on a few points with Kaze, but have also had great conversations with him. MoonKnight is a stand-out as well. There are some users here I'm not sure about just yet, and there have been some truly awful trolls. One kid literally replied to every post I made--sometimes multiple times--with nothing but insults and no brains at all. I ignored him for a time, then thought it might be worth reporting in case he was doing it to others as that kind of behavior should not be tolerated; as I ignore the utter nonsense of Nintenbro and Jaxon as he wished me to cease talking to him because I wouldn't buy into his "GameStop published Xenoblade" conspiracy theory.

I don't ignore the good, and look forward to them. Frankly, and this might sound strange, but I'd like to add Nintendo fans to my PSN friends list before core Sony fans, as the good Nintendo fans are really quite good.

The problem is that the larger core Nintendo fans are the ones who's buying habits are determining if 3rd parties stick around, if Nintendo is just going to keep churning out Zelda remakes, and driving up the prices of Amiibos because they're too gullible and feed the trolls (scalpers). I hate to have to generalize, but this large general population is causing the most problems. When this group would rather buy endless remakes and ports over any new games or 3rd party/indie exclusives Nintendo might receive, that is causing major problems.

And they will be the group that ultimately drives Nintendo to a 3rd party status. And at this point, I'd rather Nintendo do it now while they still have money and visibility, because then they could own the industry in a different way--by putting MS, Sony, and maybe Valve, Apple, and Google in a bidding war.

@aaronsullivan

"Infested" may have been the wrong word. It's a disturbing growing trend with companies like Rcmadiax, Ninja Pig, and Treefall.

It risks making visibility for other indies so much harder, and risks damage to the eShop as a whole. I very much want to support indies, but cannot bring myself to give any money, no matter how small (as if that makes it okay), to such insipid business practices.

I think the results are pretty weird TBH...

"Brand" for XBOne? The same brand that loves up one in two of the Windows-versions is a good reason to buy XBOne?

And what the heck is "Fun-factor"? I always assumed that "I find it entertaining" was the prime reason to buy any console... But PS4 doesn't even have "Fun-factor" on the list, so what...

@Quorthon
Some people consider being called "brainless" or what they say as "utter nonsense" insulting. :/ I'm guessing you don't realize the tone your posts often come off with. It is often condescending and reactionary and while you may not consider it a direct attack you will mock a group that you clearly believe the person you are responding to belongs in. I've now spotted a couple of times where you have categorized someone in a way that is simply without basis. I'm pretty sure you lumped @XFujin into a group of "buffoons" when he clearly agrees with a lot of what you say.

I sort of wish we had private messaging because stuff like this belongs there, but since you are addressing it publicly, I thought I should say something.

On the shovel ware issue, it was me who said "infested", you said "clutter it up". Not a big issue at all and I agree with you on the potential problem of indie shovelware in the eShop, just not the current state. I'd hate to see it become something like the App Store where no one without a large marketing budget or shear luck can be found, but this is a much bigger separate issue.

@Einherjar

Guilty Gear has certainly grown in popularity. I've never actually played one, but regardless of how some may view SFV, that game is a big win for Sony.

Resogun and Grim Fandango are only "multiplat" in that they are also on the Vita or PS3 in the case of Resogun. They are still Sony console exclusives and add to the value of either console. I don't usually count PC as a separate competing platform, but if you do, that's fine. I can see that.

I realize First Light is an add-on to Second Son, but it's also a stand-alone in the vein of that Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare piece. It was an add-on, but also a stand-alone. It counted as it's own game. First Light feels more like a stand-alone with some extra "hey, this is unlockable bonus content if you also have this other game."

Personally, First Light is also the first InFamous I've really played, and it sold me on the franchise. Now I'll definitely play the PS3 original... which I already own for some reason.

@aaronsullivan

We are all prone to brainless thinking or the occasional utter nonsense. Harsh though it may be, I see no problem in referring to certain actions in such a way.

In these kind of conversations, it's not the person I'm talking to that will change their mind--human nature evidently forbids this, just as humans, for some reason, fear admitting being wrong about some things. But the person who sees what I write may rethink some of their actions if they feel it applies to them.

This has happened to me before--seeing someone else's conversation or the validity of their points and realizing that my previous stance on something was wrong or stupid. Maybe it upsets me for a time, and maybe I think about it and realize I was wrong about something. Sometimes, perhaps usually, the value in an argument is not in convincing the person we're talking to to change his mind, but to get others to see examine their own point of view.

Right or wrong, what I'd love most is for people to simply be more analytic and thoughtful in how they approach their lives, opinions, and decision-making. I'm not saying I'm so smart or knowledgeable that I have that power, only that I aim to add to that concept.

There is one more point in my harshness--I may be a necessary evil speaking for those afraid to be flamed or attacked. I doubt I'm the only Nintendo fan frustrated with how things have been going, but many may not feel they have a voice or may fear speaking because they don't want to have to deal with the backlash of angry fanboys. It's important for the that quiet minority to know they aren't alone, and frankly, I can take the brainless retorts I often field.

Indeed, I have received such points from others before. Particularly on GameInformer where I was one of the most frequent commenters. I'd received the occasional comment on my page from someone thanking me for my views, making certain points against a sickening groupthink, or noting that my opinion and views have been respected. Prior to my time at GI, I didn't think people did that.

I've been online long enough, and dealt with every kind of gamer fanboy in this regard, and it's helped me ensure that my points are strengthened before I dig myself into a hole--and to back out if I've risked doing so--and to admit my errors when they occur. It was posters here who corrected me on XCX--which I thought was going to be linked to the original game in some way. I had missed, at some point, when the developers said it would be an unrelated spiritual successor.

To those wet-behind-the-ears youngsters who make foolhardy posts and are quickly pummeled by contradicting facts: I was tempered in the online furnace of the Metal-Archives. A site where BS and poor grammar could get you banned, and if you failed to show any amount of intelligence, they gave you no quarter. I respected that harsh adherence to self-respect and intelligent dialog. I maintain that standard to this day. If it was good enough for me, it's good enough for everyone.

@Quorthon
We are all people who enjoy gaming and Nintendo gaming to some degree in particular, no? I think we can find some common ground somehow and work from there. That's all I'm saying. Respect, for instance, can emerge from finding common ground. I think you will affect no one positively if they don't at first respect you.

@Quorthon The point im trying to make is, that for most of these games, you dont need to invest in a 400 bucks console.
A PS3, which most people own, and those who dont can get one extremely cheap, is absolutely sufficient.

And of course, the PC is no direct competition in that sense, i realise that too. But im strictly talking about "no way around then to get this specific console" games.
With Nintendo platforms, its their own in-house franchises, that generally produce fantastic games.
The same goes for Sony, though their portfolio of games like this is rather small overall. And like i said, for the most part, their "killer apps" are also available on a much much cheaper system.

Their overall offering is big and varied, granted, but it doesnt have these "i need THAT console" games im talking about.
Like i said, for multiplat titles, you could very well go with a one or a PC, for most of their in-house stuff, go with a much cheaper PS3.

@Tazcat2011 - There are probably still people who bought a PS4 at launch b/c they wanted their "free" PS+ version of DriveClub, which still isn't out. Maybe never will be.

And while everyone knows price cuts will come eventually, that $100 Kinect-less X1 price drop came really fast. Like 3DS and iPhone fast. And that always hurts. It took me about a year to get over the Wii U price cut being announced a week after I bought my Wii U, after many months of Iwata saying no price drop was coming that year.

@Einherjar

That's understandable, and to be fair, I'm playing mostly 3rd party games on the PS4 so far. I bought it because I had the money at the time, and largely because Nintendo's console went downhill way faster than I expected concerning the library and 3rd party offerings. So if I don't want to miss out on the games I want, I figured I should get the PS4 early. I tend not to enjoy gaming on my laptop.

There's a lot from Nintendo that no longer holds my interest these days--the Zelda, Mario, and Pokemon franchises specifically (I never cared for Pokemon). I like Kirby, but am generally selective on which game I get. I enjoyed much of Microsoft's first party stuff last generation, particularly Crackdown and Gears of War (which wasn't first party until fairly recently), but wanted to get to know Sony a bit more this generation. It helped that I already had PSN and that the PS4 is a huge improvement over the clunky PS3.

@rjejr Indeed, the 3ds cut hurt. Im glad I waited before getting a WiiU because of the price drop and SM3DW bundle.

@Quorthon You type so much and say so little. My point stands.

@aaronsullivan

That depends on the person. I respect people who earn it through having self-respect and being able to present themselves in an intelligent, rational, skeptical manner.

I do not respect knee-jerk reactions, foolishness, trolling, or blatant ignorance, and if someone chooses to represent themselves in this way, they are not asking for my respect, will not earn it, and I don't care if they have it for me as it is without value if it is so lacking. That's like, say, earning the respect of a fraud like Sylvia Browne or that idiotic "Long Island Medium". These people are trash, and I'd rather not find common ground with them, as I am content to remain morally superior. I'm sure in internet text, that comes off as arrogant, but to put it plainly, I do not pretend to talk to dead relatives and toy with people's emotions to feed my own greed (both of these women have been caught wrong in monumental ways, and thankfully, one of them is finally gone), and therefore I am morally superior to those "mediums" and "psychics." Just as I would imagine most people here are morally superior to them.

It may sound coldly logical, but I'm not here to "make friends" so much as I am to "talk video games," particularly Nintendo. Should I make friends in this regard, that's a nice bonus.

But I don't see the point in deliberately trying to find common ground with certain people if I cannot respect their views, especially if they hold them in the face of contradicting facts and reality. I'd rather common ground occur organically, if you will. If over the course of a hearty conversation, we find common ground, then it was a very valuable use of our time. If someone else is inspired to new thinking, also a win, if you will.

@Tazcat2011

Actually, I say quite a bit--hence the many words. You just have to be able to read them--and I do my part on the spelling and grammar side. At the end though, your comment on shovelware is still self-defeating and ultimately pointless. So your point does not "stand." It is still nothing.

Do you prefer this more pithy response?

You confuse your condescension with being profound. A common error.

@Tazcat2011 - Actually while I'm finally over the Wii U $50 price cut announcement - I got a $50 GC when I bought mine so I kind of broke even - the Zelda WWHD bundle that was also announced that day I'm still not over That Gamepad looked way cool, and WWHD over Nintendo Land any day. Fortunately I got WW HD free w/ MK8 so I'm a happy Wii U owner now.

You're pulling double duty w/ Quorthon and I, huh? Well if I get any nasty replies I'm just going to pretend they were meant for him

@Quorthon
This is a gaming fan site. People here are engaging in casual conversation about an entertainment past time. I only say this because I think you often act as if we are debating the course of humanity and only you can save us. People here are probably a little more interested in casual dialog, some entertainment, or sharing conflicting subjective views, maybe learn about a game or genre they didn't know about rather than attempting to entirely comprehend the entire video game industry and maybe even science and human nature itself.

It's a noble goal to want to get people to think more analytically about decisions and the world around them, but like I said before, you'll convince no one who doesn't respect you.

I had more to say, but I'm just going to leave it there.

@rjejr haha. You made out well on the Wii U deal, congrats

@aaronsullivan

That's fine. I don't need to convince everyone. Those that don't respect me don't matter to me. Why should everyone like or respect me?

Casual conversation can be fun and is necessary on some social level, but that doesn't mean I should respect idiocy or that I should want respect from idiots when they appear and when they speak. It doesn't matter how casual the conversation, I will never respect certain things. Idiocy, blatant ignorance, racism, prejudice, misogyny, cruelty, brainlessness, etc.

I don't need to reach everyone or "inspire" everyone, nor have I ever said that is my goal--to reach a few people, to find deeper conversation, that is all. Ultimately, to further improve myself as life is brief and fleeting and we each get only one, so I wish to better myself in every regard that I can--and intelligence is my top concern. Do you think everyone needs to respect you? Is that a goal? Certainly not for me. You can't please everyone all the time. No one can.

What does it matter if this is a gaming site? What does it matter what site I'm on or you're on? Do you lower yourself to stupid standards just because others do it? If there are people being foolishly ignorant, should I join them just because that's "what the site is?" I came here because it was a vibrant Nintendo fan community and I saw potential in the people--as well as to speak directly to some of the worst indie developers out there.

It doesn't matter what site I'm on or where I am. If the site is pure drivel, then won't go there. I came here because I felt it wasn't pure drivel. I will not lower my personal standards for myself regardless of what site I'm on. Those lower sites, I just won't waste my time. It's why I comment on almost nothing on Facebook or YouTube.

If it comes down to an abrasive personality, deal with it. I'm not hurting anyone, I'm just frank. There are those who kill with kindness and win over a crowd with a smile. That is not me. It never has been. Because there are those who care about the facts and reality more than if they are presented as a friendly face.

This quote from the departed, but infinitely brilliant Christopher Hitchens sums up quite well how I feel:

“Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the 'transcendent' and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don't be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish. Picture all experts as if they were mammals. Never be a spectator of unfairness or stupidity. Seek out argument and disputation for their own sake; the grave will supply plenty of time for silence. Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.” ― Christopher Hitchens

I don't necessarily seek out argument, but I will not just run from it.

@Tazcat2011

There is nothing profound in what I said. Your comment on "a lot of it is probably shovelware" means absolutely nothing. As I explained. If I need to be profound to find uselessness in that comment, we are greatly lowering the value of the word "profound."

@aaronsullivan

This guy is illustrating the "refuse to acknowledge error" element in human behavior, maybe on purpose, I don't know (the timing is almost too good, but coincidences do happen). The point though, is that at the very least, someone may see that and avoid the folly he has chosen to embrace. I have made my point, he has then turned closer to ad hominem attacks and is upset by perceived condescension. It's easier for him to think I'm a big meanie than it is to actually defend his position, which indicates that his position was never defensible in the first place.

@Quorthon Misrepresenting what I said in attempt to bolster your own specious claims is bad form. Please do try harder in your future trolling endeavors.

@Quorthon
Interesting. I was going to use your interaction with him to make my point, but just let it be, instead. I think you may have unintentionally made an entirely different impression than you hope. To be frank, all I see is a failure to communicate on both of your parts and with maybe a little delusion thrown in.

@sinalefa
No kidding. I play games to have fun. Sometimes I play for a great story or other reasons, but for those games I have a PC. I have lots of fun with my 3DS and Wii U, and thus those systems are used frequently. Meanwhile, my Xbox One has become an extremely expensive Roku box (only used for Netflix, Hulu Plus, and Amazon Video right now).

@Quorthon Yeah I don't have a Virtual Boy. I also got several 3rd party consoles. Atari 2600, 7800, Genesis (and SMS via adapter), card-only TG-16, and PS3 to name a few. I have all the licensed Donkey Kong /Jr, Popeye, and Mario Bros Arcade ports for Atari systems. Sounds strange yes, but those games were licensed prior to the NES coming to the west (Atari 7800 was planned for a 1984 launch postponed due to the market crash and DK, Mario Bros were planned as launch titles). So Mario Bros and DK got "grandfathered" on Atari 7800.

Been scanning your posts, and please man, lay off the judgemental replies to people. Speaking for everyone here, not just myself.

So, only Nintendo gamers play games for fun. Well, except for Xbox gamers albeit a pretty low priority. It is pretty obvious from all the articles about The Order 1886. There are a lot of comments like, 'I don't care if the game is boring, I'm gonna buy anyways because of graphics and...and the voice-overs are suppose to be really good and it's ecluuusive so eat a dick.' The decline of video games is never more present than now.

@Quorthon
You never cease to amaze me.
While desperately needing attention and acknowledgment from kids on the internet, you manage to write a novel on how much you don't need anyone's respect or approval. The only one you are fooling is yourself.
Why don't you go to the Playstation forum, or even better, get a LIFE?
Leave the site for people who actually like Nintendo.

@aaronsullivan

Thanks for taking my defense... i guess. Anyways, i really don't takes comments on the intewebz too seriously. IMO it's pointless to argue with someone on a forum who seems to do just that everyday... better spend that precious time with friends, family and kids. Oh! and a little gaming of course! Take care friend.

@XFujin I hear you and I agree. I just fail to walk away sometimes.

Wow.
PS4 is winning in sales because of specs, and Xbox one is beating Wii U because of brand. (Primarily)

FREAKING BRAND! That's pathetic. Even more pathetic than buying a console for specs, especially in this generation when all the consoles have pretty much evened out graphics wise....

Here's what is probably the actual reasons for both PS4 and Xbox One-

1. You can shoot guns.
2. You can kill people
3. Did I mention you can shoot guns?
4. To not have fun! (seriously, it's pathetic that Wii U is the only console which has "fun" as the main reason to purchase it, and that the PS4, the only one without it even in the top 5 is outselling both the other consoles.)
5. Generic game-78th edition