Just recently Nintendo delayed its financial results presentation and investor's Q & A until 17th February, an uncommon move for the company. Its latest financial results had brought a mixed outcome, with smart business streamlining and a weak yen increasing net profit projections, but a drop in overall expected sales and operational profit leading to a modest fall in share prices; as a result Satoru Iwata and his management colleagues are likely to face tough questions on Nintendo's plans and prospects.
One area that may be addressed is Quality of Life - last year Nintendo gave a brief reveal of a Sleep Sensor, which looks to be the first product for the QoL platform. Though the briefing is delayed, Satoru Iwata has clearly been conducting key interviews with the press in Japan, and the latest to emerge - through Asahi - addresses the question of Nintendo's approach to multiple platforms and 'pillars' of its business. Ever since QoL was revealed, cited as a vital evolution for the company to achieve 'Nintendo-like' profits, plenty of gamers have expressed concern that it could distract the company from the important business of making games and related hardware.
Satoru Iwata has consistently stated that he doesn't expect QoL to detract from Nintendo's gaming business, and has insisted that these pillars could remain completely separate. In that Asahi interview he reportedly states that it's "not necessary to be particular about game hardware", in that the sleep sensor need not be related to Nintendo's gaming systems. It's also reiterated - as it was when the sensor was revealed - that Nintendo will nevertheless use its experience in gaming to make the sensor and its related apps / software appealing.
Leveraging our video game know-how, we'll make it so even those who have trouble following through can stick with this program and have fun.
With the Health market cited as a way to reclaim some customers - Wii Fit U struggled a great deal in comparison to its Wii predecessors - Nintendo's reportedly also looking at other markets where it may succeed, with Education mentioned as an area of interest.
We'd be surprised if QoL and this third 'pillar' of business isn't mentioned in Nintendo's upcoming financial presentation; while the big N is likely to be making games and consoles for many years yet, it seems intent to expand and evolve in order to prosper.
[source kotaku.com, via asahi.com]
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Whatever happens, Nintendos future sure will be interesting.
...Just...don't stop making normal great games like you always do. >.>
I feel like the only one who supports nintendo doing this.....
As long as they don't stretch themselves too thin, adding new "pillars" is great for the company.
hmm we really have absolutely no idea what QOL is!
Just know your limits nintendo, do it, but be sure to not to go overboard or "underboard" in the ending result. Just make sure whatever it is (still not understanding what this is exactly) make sure it lives up to the same entertainment and convienances as always.
Not. Interested. Just make games or am I demanding too much.
Nothing new for Nintendo. I mean for over 100 years they've been going into different ventures. I know my QOL has been better because of Nintendo.
This seems like a smart move, honestly. With game sales slipping, they need something to recoup their losses, and this is something they've had experience with in in the past; Wii Fit U only failed because the Wii U itself was failing when it was released.
These gears are jammed. Someone gotta tell Nintendo to rethink their business model.
@Kyosaii Just logged in to say the same. And I agree with you.
QOL hardware should be given out free to people who have been suffering trying to buy amiibo, and Gamecube adaptors, and Americans who wanted to give Nintendo money for new 3DS and a range of faceplates.
I think they are already distracted and strected too thin.
I wouldn't be suprised if Nintendo have set up a separate division for the QoL range. If it's not related to the video game side of the business tnen it wouldn't make sense to have it developed by their game R&D.
What ever they do with it, I hope it succeeds and brings in the cash to shut up the investors.
If Sony can be a struggiling business but still build a sucessful machine with third party support, why can't Nintendo?
They need to stop screwing around with this "blue ocean" thing and bring focus back to gaming.
I hope they crash and burn with this new pillar. Hopefully that'll be the shock they need to realize they need to grow their gaming business as their competitors are doing.
Stop. Being. So. Conservative.
Embrace new technology. Build new IPs. Slowly rebrand yourself to be a gaming legacy again, not a joke.
"Leveraging our video game know-how, we'll make it so even those who have trouble following through can stick with this program and have fun."
This actually sounds like he means in a roundabout way that they(Nintendo) will try to make the product so that even for those that don't use the QoL product(s) to their success of whatever, that they will still enjoy continually using the product(s). This in turn, is a sly business move, to keep consumer interest in a brand, or at least in a particular line of product(s) from a co.
I also still fear that if it becomes too profitable for Nintendo, even in the short-term, the majority of shareholders might motion for Nintendo to exit the gaming industry.
@rjejr
On a completely different note, I just received my Wii U Gamecube Controller Adapter clone from play asia. Works pretty good, can only recommend it if you are still searching for one!
I have been interested in QoL but with no hard facts about what it is I can't get excited. It may just be talk and go no where or it may be the greatest thing since sliced bread...
That pic of Iwata is great lol. I'm convinced!
Just a reminder,QoL could have been in research mode for quite some time going by this.
Vitality sensor confirmed
@LUIGITORNADO The PS4 won't save Sony as it is. It's just too much weight to throw around.
and stop being so salty towards the QoL thing; it's not like Nintendo would drop the console business because of it.
I really hope this idea succeeds. It has little to do with the gaming side of thing, even though there might be connectivity with the 3DS/Wii U, but if they succeed it's good for everyone. Win win here.
Nintendo... don't over extend yourself like Sony.
This all smacks of 'oh oh, I'm driving our core business into the ground, better think of something to placate the shareholders quick'
Why all the hate in comments? I myself am pretty excited about this quality of life project. If they manage to create great products which make your life easier, why not be excited? Plus I'm sure they have a separe strategic business unit for QoL which does not interfere with gaming-related R&D teams.
Plus QoL its a niche area where they might be big, knowing all Nintendo innovative ideas. especially in the world where people follow the 'go green' slogan. If they are successful that means more money for to make more games as well!
Prob in Sub wars keeps telling people ever 10mins to take a rest gets annoying.
@AJ_Lethal saying its over for sony is as bad as the nintendo "doom and gloom" comments. Just because sony's other division's are tanking doesn't mean ps is done for. Considering the ps4 topped wii u lifetime sales in half the time shows consumers are still interested in the ps brand.
Wait a second... there's three interlocked cogs so they jam each other and can not revolve!
Is that graph supposed to mean that Nintendo needs to get rid of one of the three pillars??
Sounds interesting. I actually want to know more about it. not everything should be N64 like games every generations kiddos. The mainsteam is where the future are.
@Sleepingmudkip Nope. I do want to know more about it. It sounds interesting.
As long as Nintendo don't go as far as Sony, I'm completely fine with their QoL project.
@Savino I would. Miyamoto has even mentioned the kind of Mario he wants to make for Nintendo's next console, and we're constantly getting tidbits on how Nintendo's hardware cycle for each new generation starts right after (or even before) each new console launch.
These are additional pillars. They won't replace their core gaming business.
@Superryanworld There are more chances of PS being spun off than Sony saving itself in its current form.
@AJ_Lethal
No, Nintendo will have to drop the console business when it becomes unprofitable because they are unable to sell or appeal to consumers at the same level as their competitors as game development costs exceed returns from a constantly shrinking core audience.
The QoL is a long-promised ambiguous whatever that has never carried a single indicator that instills confidence in the plan. They have spent this generation proving that they are incapable of supporting two game systems simultaneously, especially when forced to do it alone--and yet they are "somehow" able to float this "third pillar" nonsense?
I have nothing but doubts about this program, as any rationally skeptical person should. Until we see a considerable amount of solid information on it, there is no reason to suspect it will be anything but some kind of baffling boondoggle--much like their current problems with the Wii U, 3DS, lack of 3rd party support, strained YouTube understanding, backwards thinking, and failure to ship little plastic toys to stores in reasonable numbers.
I'm all aboard Nintendo trying new things. I'm interested to see what this QoL platform is... Nintendo didn't start off as a video game company. It's absub to think that's where they should stop.
Love that Iwata picture.
Don't get me wrong, I'd still like to see them get their current house in order though.
Edit: in other news, surely you heard by now that there are reports going around that Netflix is developing a Legend of Zelda live action series??
http://kotaku.com/report-netflix-making-legend-of-zelda-tv-series-1684293104
I wish them the best. If they struggle even creating great games, have other revenue avenues without dropping creating great games. Don't store all your eggs in the same basket and all that.
Just make it available unlike amiibo, k?
@EngieBengie
You're not supposed to be interested- this isn't for you.
But this is how companies survive long term. The more products offered, the less strain that is placed on each of them. Ideally Nintendo will one day offer everything from video games to animated films, from sleep sensors to fundamental educational training. The more they expand, the more grounded their video game products will be.
@LUIGITORNADO I respectfully disagree. Nintendo is going after gamers this gen more then then with the wii. And i admit I was very happy with all the great games Nintendo has on wii. But this gen, free online, great games, old school games. Bayonetta 2, hyrule warriors made my fall. it is insanely accessible. All my wii notes work on it, I can play 8 person smash with 3ds, wii motes, classic and pro controllers etc... I can play in my hand when I can't on tv. I'm not above sitting my gamepad in my lap on a pillow while using a wimote and chuck to play skyward sword. I've always been a pc/Nintendo gamer. I got a PS3 when my pc died, and the whole 5 years now I've had it, the only game I still replay constantly is dark souls. I've played it all over the years. Lots of forgettable great games. Good graphics. its now it's my kids while the wii u is more mine. My 13 year old plays mincrsft and call of duty exclusively for like 3 years. He and his friends play smash and kart etc, but otherwise treat it like it would give them cancer. That's the future of gaming folks. Nintendo knows this. That's why they taking all that wii money and investing it into the blue ocean. Us true Nintendo fans will keep playing Zelda, but the future is playstation now. And I don't like that. Which is why my wii u had over 300 games right now. Wii and vc included.
@JaxonH They can hardly provide enough games for their own console, how is that going to help them? They should start solving the issues with their consoles and games before jumping into another kind of business.
@EngieBengie
Separate issue entirely- the two are not related. It's not an "either or" scenario. Businesses grow, they hire new employees and start new divisions. It's not like they're gonna turn Tokyo EAD into a sleep sensor factory.
But pertaining to games, they're crankin em out in overdrive. Not sure how many games you feasibly expect one company to produce, but Ive currently got more 3DS and Wii U games pre ordered than I do for every other console combined. I don't think the amount of games for their consoles are an issue. In fact they could probably delay a few if they wanted, cause there's so many on the way all at once. They might not be matching the grand total of 3rd party games on other consoles, but then again, when 90% of Nintendo's games are top-scoring while 90% of 3rd party games are mediocre busts, they really don't need to.
@EngieBengie I've got over 300 games. Wii, wii ware, vc, eshop and wii u disc and download. Nintendo takes up 85% of my gaming. I still miss other games occasionally. But I always come back to Nintendo. Dark souls was amazing but it's still not Zelda.
@Omenapoika
That's funny, I didn't even catch that... I hope that's not an official graphic for their shareholders...
http://kotaku.com/report-netflix-making-legend-of-zelda-tv-series-1684293104
GUYS
WHAT THE HELL
REPORT THIS!
Fair play. I'm happy to see them pursue any other financial avenue as long as they absolutely continue to make their own hardware and triple A titles. Their hardware is absolutely essential as far as I'm concerned.
@Sleepingmudkip I'm all for it man, I'm interested to see what kind of stuff they come up with. If they come up with something that completely changes a lifestyle, sleep or otherwise, for the better then I am all for it.
...As long as it doesn't detract from their great game production.
Normally I'd say, hey whatever other business they want to involve themselves in, that's fine. Companies can keep multiple business separate as needed.
But this pillar language is unfortunate. For those who might remember, when the original DS was presented to the media, Nintendo were very hesitant about its reception. Some folks thought Nintendo had lost their minds (looking at you, IGN).
Iwata referred to the DS, with its 2-screens and touch-controls, as a new kind of gaming, and specifically as a "third pillar" that was not meant to compete with the console and GameBoy Advance line of traditional handhelds.
Google it for yourself. So, we have one instance of a supposed pillar not being intended to supplant other product lines...so, um, yeah, that makes me nervous here.
@JaxonH Most likely because you don't buy a lot of games for other consoles. Regarding the Wii U, there is hardly any games coming out. The Third Party developers have abandonned the Wii U completely and as such, Nintendo needs to pump out more games, enough so that we don't have droughts. Also, mediocre-scoring third party games? Outside of Ubisoft, only Destiny was a massive disappointment and yet there are still people enjoying the game.
2015 is going to be HUGE for the PS4 and XBox One but for Wii U, Zelda Wii U, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Splatoon, Yoshi's Woolly World and maybe Star Fox are the hard hitters. More may come on the way, as Iwata has hinted but regardless, Nintendo isn't pumping out enough games as we STILL have droughts 2 years into the Wii U. That's some worrisome stuff right here.
@Kyosaii Aw, you beat me to it.
"Satoru Iwata has consistently stated that he doesn't expect QoL to detract from Nintendo's gaming business, and has insisted that these pillars could remain completely separate. In that Asahi interview he reportedly states that it's "not necessary to be particular about game hardware", in that the sleep sensor need not be related to Nintendo's gaming systems."
^^^This is exactly what I've been saying for over a year now, all over the internet in forums and comment sections alike, being laughed at, dismissed and even threatened out as fanboys swore QoL was REPLACING their gaming business and was their sole new focus going forward. Glad to hear Iwata officially state this, because in my perspective it was the only way to do QoL.
Uh yes, this is what bad restaurants though. When your one location struggles...open another one. That will sure help. <_< Please don't tell me anymore that Nintendo has been in buisness for 125 years, so that must know what they are doing...If they kniw what they are doing then this is their way to break away from games...cause they sure won't be able to do all of what they say if they want to keep/ gain customers.
Solve your problems before you create more :/
If we treat Nintendo less like a business and more like a group of artists, why should we not want the Big N to explore a new genre? It's like people wanting Nintendo to JUST make 2D platformers, since they're good at that. That's ludicrous in retrsopect, and I think the same applies here if QoL does well. Nintendo wants to try something creative. Purely in terms of artistry, why not go for it?
Nintendo stores like ikea and Nintendo supermarkets and Nintendo department stores like Target or Walmart in the USA and around the world. That sounds like a Nintendo Q O L to me. This what I would like.
My concern is just how little follow up Nintendo ever does with peripherals. Is this going to end like so many other things they've made over the years that never got enough support? Circle Pad Pro, Balance Board, Superscope 6, SNES mouse, etc, all the way back to the NES zapper. I get tired of getting burned by that stuff.
@Funbunz But this isn't some sort of peripheral for their gaming devices, it's a completely separate entity and division on it's own. QoL isn't just one product either.
@EngieBengie There's not really any major droughts for the Wii U this year. Kirby, Mario Party, most likely Yoshi (in April, may come later), Splatoon, Mario Maker, Devil's Third, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Star Fox, and Zelda take up every month from now to November, with the exception of one month which I assume to be June because E3 can serve as a distraction.
You also forget that Nintendo has a handheld to support as well. Would you rather they just drop the 3DS all together and have the Wii U as their only platform?
Sure, more games would be nice but there's only so much Nintendo can do. 3rd parties are a lost cause for the most part. They aren't coming back. EVER.
And no, Nintendo going third party is not an option because all of the talent they have would leave the company and their games would become a mere shell of their former self like we see with Sega today. Oh and the only games they'd ever produce are Mario and Zelda.
@EngieBengie
I'm just a guy who likes playing games.
Anyways...
Maybe it's just me, but here's where I stand...
Wii U
http://www.image-share.com/ijpg-2846-240.html
3DS
http://www.image-share.com/ijpg-2846-241.html
PS4 + Xbox One
http://www.image-share.com/ijpg-2846-242.html
So yeah, I'm just not seein an issue personally.
@IceClimbers I realize that this is not a standard videogame type peripheral, but to me it makes no difference. In my opinion, Nintendo has a pretty shoddy record with anything that isn't a game or the hardware to play it on. Recent struggles with Amiibo and Gamecube adapters definitely won't help to sway my opinion about this. And I know, that's a stock issue and not necessarily a problem with future support or usefulness. It's still a problem, though.
I hope they will surprise me, and I am really interested to learn all about why I might want their QOL device. I just think Nintendo's track record justifies a healthy dose of scepticism about this.
@IceClimbers If nintendo repeats the same mistakes they made with the wii u, then I agree third party's won't be coming back.I think they are spread to thin as it is trying to shoulder two systems on their own. Ignoring dev's feedback was mistake number one.
@JaxonH It's driving me crazy that you don't alphabetize your games. How do you know where they are? They're just in there randomly!
Yeah... Leave the education innovation to the professionals! (Common Core comes to mind)
y'know, on second thought...
Lol!
@TheLobster
Lol, I have a method to the madness actually. I usually group my games by publisher and franchise, but not alphabetical.
Maybe I will start doing that though. That's not a half bad idea actually...
In “Reality is Broken,” Jane McGonigal cleverly reveals that the “mass exodus” of people from the real world to the virtual world is a phenomenon with deep implications: the virtual world offers fulfillment where the real world fails to do so. Nintendo's QoL platform offers an opportunity for the Big N to contribute a meaningful "positive impact game" to the world. I'm all for it, folks!
@Superryanworld Yeaaah that is not going to happen. I think third party support is all history now. Especially the way third parties have been doing things like pointing fingers on poor sales.
QOL sounds like a gimmick and its time to break away from the gimmicks and get back to what made Nintendo the best gaming company in the world. Maybe its time to listen to gamers. It really doesn't seem Nintendo does that very well. It the Nintendo way or the highway. (Meaning: if you don't like it play something else!) Well people are starting to do just that. I don't think Nintendo realizes how important Virtual Console is to some gamers. They really are not listening to gamers on the subject. Online gaming! Still very weak in comparison. I hope things go well in the future for Nintendo. I hate the fact that Sega has stated they will not be concentrating on consoles anymore. Its also a bummer Sega doesn't have a console out there. I would just hate it if Nintendo went down that road as well. It would be time for me to just play a ton of backlogged games I have. But In would probably get out of gaming should Nintendo ever decide not to have consoles anymore. I just get this feeling that Nintendo has been skating on thin ice for the last few years. Even with the success of the 3DS.
@EngieBengie I also feel the same. I have so many games on my Wii U and more coming I very excited for what is coming in 2015. Over on the other consoles yeah there are lots of games but there is very little for me to buy that interest me really. My bro and I have an Xbox One but ever since we got it we have not touched a finger on the consoles because the selection of exciting fun games is poor. We dont have a PS4 yet probably not going to get one probably for a good long while because again there is nothing there on PS4 that has that ''wow'' fun factor.
@Windy That happens when you are under stress like Nintendo is in and making some mistakes in the process. As long as they are making money now with Wii U things should be fine with Nintendo. I just hope this turns into an alert for Nintendo because things could have been much worse for them. Just hope they learn from the mistakes they have made and pick it up.
Nintendo is literally on life support.
@LUIGITORNADO - Slamming Nintendo for focusing on the 'blue ocean' strategy, whilst admonishing them for being 'conservative'. That is the very definition of 'contradictory'.
What I'm getting from these comments: "WAAAAAHHHH!!! NINTENDO IS DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT!!! WAAAAAHHHH!!!"
No wonder I don't come here as often as I used to.
@Nintendobro I think you may be right. But blaming nintendo for poor sales? That issue lies with the fans and I'll admit I didn't help support many of those games. When the wii u launched it had some support from various developers, but I already played games like mass effect and arkham city on 360&ps3, so I didn't feel the need to buy them again. Many nintendo fans complained that resident evil remastered and revelations 2 where skipping the u and I'd imagine poor sales of revelations on 3ds&wii u was the catalyst for
Capcom's decision.
@Superryanworld Not saying that third party support is bad but I dont think we will ever have good third party support. Also trying to blame the fans for their poor sales (no class) and not making their games the same version with all the features on each platform. Those are some of the reasons why I dont buy much of third party games because of what they have been doing.
I'm not really interested in the QoL platform. Unless it has Mario on it.
That graphic with the three gears: It always irks me to see three gears positioned againts one another, because adjacent gears rotate in opposite diections. This means for rotation to exist, two of the gears would have to rotate the same direction, which is impossible.
@Kyosaii @Omenapoika @StarDust4Ever I was just thinking about that. The only way this would work is if one gear is positioned into the middle, ensuring only one is directing the rotation of the other gears. (One on the left would rotate clockwise, one on the right and in the center would rotate counterclockwise, or vice versa. Clockwise symbolizes moving forward, counterclockwise symbolizes slowing down or moving backwards. Thus, either the left or right gear would be prioritized.) When there are only two gears/pillars, (Game Software/Hardware) it doesn't matter, because they complement each other in a Yin/Yang fashion. Add in a third one, though... And we're forced to ponder the question:
"Which one of these gears/pillars is the one directing the others?"
Traditionally, the answer would be Game Hardware. As for the future... who knows?
@Nintendobro lol! never said I had class to begin with. It isn't some secret vendetta or hurt feelings regarding 3rd party devs not releasing games on wii u. Developing software is a business,so why would these developers skip making a game for nintendo's console? Id say because Titles like assassins creed,call of duty, mass effect, and resident evil weren't selling well enough to justify the development cost's.And didn't I say I certainly contribute to the problem. I own a xbox and playstation so I only buy first party games on nintendo systems.If it isn't the install base that's the issue with third party's and nintendo then what else could it possibly be?
Nintendo became a gaming giant by taking risks and exploring new avenues, not just simply producing more toys and playing cards. I'm willing to see how this latest venture pans out, it could be a learning experience or another evolution for them.
@Superryanworld Well it is what I mentioned before. Third parties blame the sales of their games at Nintendo fans (that's what I mean no class) They expect us to buy their games when they blame us and and less features to the Nintendo version of the game. I understand that Nintendo needs some of them to make games but the way things are going I don't think it will happen. Third parties makes games with less features with little to no DLC then we don't buy the games because of it then they blame us for their sales. They are saying things that we don't want third party games. This is a cycle they do not see.
@Nintendobro dlc is a deciding factor in what version of a game one would buy no doubt. The only gimped port I can think of is watchdogs. I also think the wii u has the same problem the wii had. Both systems pack less power than their competitors, so porting some games might prove difficult. Regardless you make some good points and nintendo fans do have a right to be upset when they receive an inferior version of said game.
@Savino I wouldn't be surprised if the 9th generation of consoles is the last one for home consoles, with progress carried on by portable consoles. It's not just Nintendo, the entire home console market has contracted big time. The rapid growth gravy train has already reached it's final stop.
@PlywoodStick I don't think portable systems sell like they used to. The 3ds is a success, but it's sales pale in comparison to the ds. Sony has the ps vita. It's a really a neat little system, yet it's not doing very well at the moment.
@JaxonH LOL. Only three games for your Xbox One.
@Superstick Hey. He owns three consoles and games ain't cheap ya know.
@Superstick @Superryanworld I think it's more like that if a game he wants is multiplatform including Wii U, he'll get it on Wii U. If not, he'll get it on PS4 and finally Xbox One ends up being only an exclusives console. This is very clear from games such as Watch Dogs and CoD Ghosts appearing in his Wii U collection rather than PS4 or Xbox One.
It's good that the company is seeking ways to redevelop itself. However, and I don't want to be overly picky but there you go, gears connected like those on the image would never turn. Just hoping that will not turn out to be a prophecy of sorts. ;]
@EngieBengie Your profile picture makes that statement about three hundred and seventy seven times better.
@Grumblevolcano Ahh.
I've been saying for years that proper marketing of their goods and services would've improved so many aspects of their sales. Sony/MS has spent a ton of money on marketing campaigns and it's paid off. Nintendo? They have a themed dance on one of the highest rated programs in North America, something that had to be approved by NoA, and it's followed up by ZERO Nintendo products in the shows commercials. It's frustrating and their numbers will never change if they continue to drop the ball at opportunities like that.
Hmmm.
Remember when Earthbound landed on the VC and Nintendo started a separate Miiverse community JUST for upcoming Earthbound announcements... Onett Times or something... and no news ever came? Or the time they announced a DS line of titles for the VC service and have yet to even launch it in North America?
Until Nintendo can follow through on its gaming division goals, let's not add any more noise.
"not replacing videogames"
Not 100% true. Motion Controls are already doing it to classic gaming, and you literally had no choice to play the best Wii titles without them. I expect to see mandatory QOL functions embedded in future games as an important part of them, even if now the say it won't be happening. I don't want that to happen.
Hmm "third pillar".. Where have I heard that term before..? Oh right! The Nintendo DS! Remember when the DS was introduced as a third pillar alongside the GCN and GBA? Well what happened then? Wii replaced Cube and DS replaced GBA. No third pillar there. So which console is this QOL nonsense replacing?
@Superryanworld
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Give it up man. I make it a point not to target people, only arguments, but I feel the need to tell you you're wasting your time. The reason I stopped talking to Nintenbro was because he is every bit as stuck in his nonsensical ways as Nintendo is. He thinks all third parties are deliberately trying to screw Nintendo, thinks that--for some reason--they deliberately want low sales on Nintendo hardware, has demonstrated that he simply does not understand the marketplace or the need to make money, nor has he demonstrated an understanding that when Nintendo does get gimped ports, it's partly because publishers know they are unlikely to get sales on Nintendo consoles regardless of quality due to the narrow focus and tastes of the majority of fans, and just as much due to the bone-headed decisions from Nintendo (who wants to try porting or selling DLC on a console with so little storage space? Yeah, no one.)--as demonstrated on this site. There was a guy here who was so ignorant of anything non-Nintendo that he actually thought raping people was a gameplay feature of games like Call of Duty and GTA.
You're also talking to a guy that has adamantly stated that he doesn't support 3rd party games, clearly does not know what is actually available on other consoles, and has also stated that he does not even want third party support on Nintendo consoles.
Some people simply do not want to learn or face reality. I love a good conversation or even a decent argument on gaming, but at some point you have to cut your losses and realize that some people lack the capacity to accept new information and do not want to learn anything new. He's one of the people here who, unfortunately, demonstrated that he is not going to offer you anything of that sort. Nintendo can do no wrong, all third parties are evil and anti-Nintendo, and the XBO and PS4 have no games worth playing, despite their sales and libraries indicating otherwise.
shrugs shoulders
@JaxonH You sure have a lot of Wii U games. Also, killer GameCube collection (Fave console ever). I myself am a new PS4 owner and finding actually interesting exclusives has proven to be hard. The other games available for it, I can get on my lovely gaming PC. Still, I'm worried for Nintendo since they are my favorite of the big 3, I WANT to see them at the top.
@Quorthon @Quorthon I think you summed that up pretty well. I'll give it a rest.
@EngieBengie
Thanks! I don't have too many GC and Wii games but the ones I do have are pretty good I think...
I was thinking of getting a gaming PC, but not sure how powerful I need it. I don't want it for AAA games- I've got the HD twins for that. I was more or less thinking for Dolphin. I modded my Wii as a collector so I could play GameCube and Wii games directly from hard drive without scratching the discs. But it would be so much better to play them in HD with real time saves and all that. My laptop can't run Fire Emblem Path of Radiance without stuttering the whole time at 50% rate. But it plays games like Mass Effect and Borderlands and Portal 2 (not sure if that's saying much but). Think I have an AMD RADEON 6520. At least that's what Dolphin shows. And evidently that's not enough.
I just want to play the games I already own with save states and better graphics. What would you recommend for running Dolphin?
EDIT: Infamous Second Son and The Last of Us are about the only good PS4 exclusives I know of you can't get on PC. I would say Forza Horizon 2, Halo MC and Sunset Overdrive but you don't own an X1. See I don't have a gaming PC so for me, the multiplats are where it's at. My X1, however, is kind of in the same situation as your PS4- I can already play the multiplats elsewhere (PS4) so it's really just an X(clusive)box atm...
Iwata: Appealing to mainstream gamers is absolutely out of the question! Let's make health products instead!
Nintendo, what are you doing,
Nintendo,
Stahp!
Please retire Iwata.
THIS IS SOME BULL****.
Nintendo is going to exit gaming. They exited hanafuda cards when the time was right; they largely exited arcade games; and now they will exit gaming. This is business. By the time they do this, all their core customers will be in their 40s and 50s; the age group companies care about: 14-40 will have grown up on call of duty; halo; gta; and minecraft.
Microsoft will have exited console gaming by that point as well; and just sell windows pc set top boxes (which is funny since early PC's like the IBM PC, and Comodore 64 hooked up to TVs).
And I think Sony will have moved to a subscription model if thats successful, and have multiple devices that can stream it to a TV or PC.
"Not replacing Video games"
Yeah, right. That's what they said about the Nintendo DS not replacing the Game Boy line, and also what they said about the Wii still having many more unique experiences in it and a successor was not expected to be announced soon just months before Wii U was announced.
@Nintendobro
They're saying Nintendo fans don't want third party games because it's true. A lot of blinkered Nintendo fans don't buy third party games and haven't done for years, all the way back to the N64. Basic videogaming history. That's why it's funny to see Nintendo zealots thrashing around trying to blame third parties for the lack of games, or indeed blame anyone but Nintendo for Nintendos failings. It couldn't possibly be the beloved Nintendo getting it wrong, oh my know how could you say such a thing....
@electrolite77 This is just going in circles. If third parties want sales to improve in Nintendo's consoles they need to actually change things up. If there is a third party game that is being sold on Wii U and it is a lesser version than what is on the other platforms why would I buy a low quality game that has less features and modes? They have been doing this for awhile now they have been blaming Nintendo fans for not buying their games. Its like this if my worker is working on renovating a customers house and it took more time and money to finish should I blame the customer for that? No its not their responsibility its not their problem to handle it,it is mine I cant just blame all this to the customer. There is also where some of them have been poking at Nintendo at times. If they dont actually spend time on making their games on Nintendo consoles then things will not change. When the Wii U launched lots of third parties were on board but after they just jumped off and said adios. I am a Nintendo fan but I also play other games too but if third parties keep on doing all this and not actually spend time on making their games better then I will not buy any of them because its just a waste of money on a inferior game.
@electrolite77 As far as I know, the N64 has lots of third party games even more than the Gamecube and the Wii U (believe it or not there were lots of third party games on the wii but that's a different story).
Nintendo gamers started to buy less third party games because the core Nintendo gamers (the ones that started on the 2d and 3d generation of consoles, not the N64kids) don't give a damn about "artsy" games, interactive movies and overblown and way too expensive "AAA" games. Also the GC and the Wii started to have mediocre efforts from them, like watered down ports and castrated multiplat versions. That only made many Nintendo gamers burned out with their offerings and distrustful of them. It's a vicious circle.
Of course, that's not saying that Nintendo only makes masterpieces (their sick obession with 3D Mario, Sakamoto and his stupid maternal instincts and Aounuma destroying zelda) have also done lot of damage too. The Wii succeeded with the mainstream (wether peopel like it to twist it success and deny it, facts are more important than your tastes people) because it was more like the NES than the GC but is obvious that the real boss at nintendo-miyamoto-didn't like it.
I can understand Nintendo expanding their business into other areas like health and education because as it stands they are failing miserably in the home console business.
3ds sales are falling more and more every year especially in the west so there is no bright future there either.
The problem ( and I speak for myself ) is that I don't give a rat's tail end about QoL or education. I only want games. I want about 2 or 3 games this year on the Wii U. The rest don't interest me. I wish there were more games to give me more options but alas, they screwed up the third-parties ( yes I said that, if you think differently you are entitled to do that) by producing a console not many people want to own, know what it is or that it even exist due to pathetic marketing. Now they are struggling to support it on their own.
Do they think they can compete in the education market now tablets are mainstream with a billion educational apps? My nephews have some amazing educational apps on the iPad that can be cast to the telly. The 3DS was used in some schools in Japan but that was before the tablets made them obsolete. I really cannot see how they intend to take a piece of this market but maybe they see something I don't. Then again i saw the Wii u was going to flop and they didn't, but to be honest I didn't see it doing worst than the dreamcast.
A sleep sensor sounds pretty useful... I think I might buy one
@YoshiTails
Why?
@minotaurgamer @Nintendobro
The failure of third-party games has been going on for years. The N64 was where the perception that you buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games started. The mainstream and the third-party sales went to Playstation. Meanwhile the N64 got third party exclusives like Spacestation Silicon Valley, Body Harvest, Rocket, Beetle Adventure Racing and Glover that didn't sell. Same happened on the Gamecube with Billy Hatcher, PN03, Viewtiful Joe. Same happened on the Wii with Deadly Creatures, Zack and Wiki, Red Steel 2, No More Heroes, Little Kings Story. All third-party exclusives, all flopped. Third-parties haven't been blameless by any means and support on the Wii U has been thin but Nintendo fans don't buy third-party games, ergo, they don't get made.
@MasterBlaster you cannae beat a good night's sleep pal
@evoxpisces Nonsense! That does sum up this QOL Nonsense. I like that. Hmmmm here we go........Castlevania Math Challenge or Castlevania Dracula X? I'm taking this as Nintendo intends make educational games with this QOL. No thanks. I would rather a play relaxing, exciting, storyline and fun driven games which have been coming out since 1976 or so.
@Hotfusion In a way I think your right and Nintendo needs to do something. I think this QOL is not the way to be going. I think doing something as simple as making more Virtual Console titles available and maybe throw in a wrinkle and make the multiplayer Virtual Console games with online play. It would be cool to play a classic NHL Hockey online with some old friends from Netlink
Maybe there is a bunch of money to be made in educational software. You can't blame Nintendo for trying to get their piece of the pie. I just think there are a couple things already in place which they could improve upon to bring in the bucks.
I wonder why Nintendo doesn't talk about the oldest pillar that they still are doing. The hanafuda and poker etc cards.
I have a set of each and those are just incredibly well done, very excellent quality.
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