Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destines DLC Won't Feature The Quiz in The West

Unfortunate, but understandable. Not all of us can cheat and go to a help site.

As long as the DLC case is there, I'm a happy camper.

That's alright I guess, it would be neat if the questions were changed but not bothersome.

I think Japanese games should be provided as is with just a literal translation. (Japanese voice track) be cheaper and closer to the original vision. No point in having Japanese games without what makes them Japanese. MIght as well just play Western games that are mindless.

Understandable as it relies too much on japanese culture/knowledge/language it would have lost its charm anyway. Plus I don't see myself buying a DLC quiz xD
DLC Case? Yes, please.

@unrandomsam
You're one of those weird people that don't find the usage of japanese words like san, sensei or senpai in english translations grating... Aren't you.

@unrandomsam I disagree. Ace Attorney has always prided itself on its localization and Westernization, so much so that the DS remake included a translation before there was even expressed interest in the West. In a lot of ways, Ace Attorney and Gyakuten Saiban are separate experiences, and it is the Western experience of Ace Attorney that has captured the love and attention of gamers for years. Its localization broke down the borders between niche and not-so-niche and created an appeal for all types of gamers. I think it's the impeccable localization that makes Ace Attorney so enjoyable.

I wouldn't have bought it, but it couldn't hurt to include it.

Good, I think. While they could have localised the quizzes, unless they have some sort of storyline they didn't seem worth money in the first place.

And I'll probably only get Phoenix's costume, because I'm not that fond of Apollo and Sykes looks just fine as is.

If the quiz requires extensive knowledge of Japanese culture then I won't mind Capcom's decision. I know Japan, yeah, but I don't know it THAT well. As some others have said, I care more about the killer whale case and the costumes anyway.

That's fine. No one likes an unbeatable quiz...

I think I might jump into the series with this addtion. Any recommendations on where to jump in other than this?
EDIT:Why isn't my .gif for my avatar moving? it also got sort-of cropped for some reason.

@KingBoo01
If you want to experience all the Ace Attorney goodness, start right at the beginning, in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, then play all others, in release order.
And try to get the Nintendo DS version.

PD: I see your avatar working just fine, Rover is laughing at me endlessly

@Daggo Perfecto!

@KingBoo01 You would be best off getting the iOS version.

I don't think they give us enough credit. I'm sure a lot of us could actually do decently well on it, and even if we don't, it would be a good learning experience. Capcom could put a disclaimer on the e-shop if it's really that big of a deal. I don't like the idea of things being left out.

@RaymanFan2 That's what I was thinking. Localization would be the easy way to circumvent this, but...I think they just might not think that the localization is worth the money.

I wanted the quiz DLC really really bad like you don't even know.

@Intrepid But it would be too hard to translate, and yeahm very few people actually have "in-depth" knowledge of Japan, so it wouldn't be worth their time. Even with a warning, they'd still get too many complaints from fans.

The could always have changed it completely so it's a quiz about the AA series instead for western markets or something.
Such as 'In which AA game was Phoenix the biggest detective to Maya?' The answer, there, being T&T of course

@KingBoo01 Yeah, I would start with AA1 before playing any others.
The series definitely has an overarching storyline which you don't want to spoil by playing this first. You'll probably just think DD is bad because you won't 'get it', to some extent. Like if there's a stepladder joke in this game you would totally not get the joke.

You could probably play AA Investigations without prior knowledge, but even then you wouldn't like Edgeworth as much.

@ueI

But on iOS there are several issues, missing animations, typing mistakes, music from the Game Boy Advance version... unless you mean the port of the first game and not the HD collection, in which case it's fine.

@machomuu Capcom doesn't have any pride or honour at least my interpretation of what I think the Japanese concept is. (Similar to how the people developing Rodea the Sky Soldier want to release it on the Wii regardless of commercial concerns because it was made for that. Capcom won't even release physical copies of this). They have what I consider the Western mindset through and through. (I have only the first DS cart thought it was not that great but if it was more about Japanese culture I might have like it more). DLC Costumes is a total joke there is nothing honourable about that.

@Daggo I meant the HD collection, but I wasn't aware it had so many flaws because I haven't played it. You get what you pay for, I guess.

@unrandomsam In all honesty, I fail to see many Japanese companies having pride or honor these days...

@unrandomsam ...Not all Japanese people are about honor and pride, nowadays. This isn't the 1500s, people don't commit suicide over disgraces anymore. At least, not on a wide scale. Sure, it's still something of a component of various Japanese practices, but it's not as prominent as it was in the past, and it certainly isn't as audacious. And Capcom isn't releasing it physically because they don't know how well it will sell, as was evidenced in the past (it was largely the reason AAI2 didn't come over).

And what's this Western mindset you're referring to? I noticed that you called Western games "mindless", and I don't think that could be farther from the truth. Sure, maybe there are mindless games in the West, but that holds true for the east as well. Similarly, there are a lot of intuitive Western games as well. Proteus, Shadowrun, Civilization, just to name a few, are hardly what I would call "mindless".

And saying that Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney having more of the Japanese culture is an incredibly bold assumption given how much you know about Gyakuten Saiban 1. I CAN say for sure that Gyakuten Saiban isn't just a game about Japanese culture, it's a game about law that takes place in contemporary Japan, just like how Ace Attorney is a game about law that takes place in contemporary America. The setting and the exploration of what makes that setting is not the focus of GS/AA. In fact, it's quite similar to Ace Attorney in that there are a lot of puns and pop cultural references, as well as play on words and contemporary jokes. This is because the game was geared towards Japanese audience, it would make little sense to bring it over. It's like if you got a game that made Croatian pop cultural jokes and references...would that truly be accessible to you? Probably not, because the beauty of pop cultural references and play-on-words is that they generally appeal to the facets of life that you grew up on or know very well, well enough to find the jokes humorous. If this stuff were translated directly, not only would Ace Attorney have had an incredibly small amount of appeal in the West, but it would also be incredibly niche and we'd have been lucky if we'd even gotten Justice for All. There'd be no profit, no crowd, and the fandom that it has come to create in the West wouldn't exist.

It's because Gyakuten Saiban had such a great localization that we could laugh at the jokes that were both Westernized and universal, that even the more Japanese savvy could understand jokes and plays-on-words that would normally have gone over their heads. I can almost 100% guarantee that Ace Attorney would not have been better as a direct or literal translation.

If Capcom had released the first game outside of Japan as a straight translation instead of a quality localisation, we'd still only have one Ace Attorney/Gyakuten Saiban game.

The most important thing is to get the original intent across. Cultural shorthand varies from language to language and country to country, especially when it comes to humor and pop culture references, both of which are creative wells AA makes heavy use of. Puns, in particular, are entirely dependent on whatever language you're using. Having Japanese puns receive the romaji or even literal English (or French or Spanish or Farsi, etc.) treatments would not have conveyed the humor or hinted character traits in the same way they were meant to for the average Japanese player in the original releases, so in order for you to laugh (or, depending on how you feel about puns, groan) in the places you were supposed to laugh, they had to be adapted.

@ueI I don't have any I products(Ipod, Ipad, etc.) so I wouldn't be able to try it. Thanks for the suggestion though!

@RaymanFan2 Thanks. I'll try it out next time I see it at my local Gamestop. It sounds like a really cool game, and I like anything that has a great/complicated plot.

What are you guys talking about? I have the HD collection on my iPad and I think it is the best way to experience the original trilogy.

Makes sense, besides I would never have paid for a DLC quiz, If the costumes were free then I wouldn't be opposed to them. The important thing is that we get to defend an orca XD