@DarthNocturnal For the Elite v1, yeah it's quite a markup over the stock controller at over double the price. It definitely costs more to make. Metal, rubber, 4 additional buttons that survive lever-action, trigger locks (interconnecting stoppers that withstand shearing force that a gamer under stress might put on them, and the levers to operate them, flash memory with profile storage. There's definitely more to the controller...but not 110% more. The V2 adds an LI battery, more flash ram, and expensive things like spring tensioning adjustments... and a second set of trigger locks. They raised the price...though it has a dock (bah!), and more alternate sets of buttons (mini rear triggers which I kinda like.)
All in all it's very nice, but it's not a "I need to replace my v1 with this right away" kind of upgrade either, which is nice. It's nicer, but it feels like a hardware revision more than a redefined controller.
@BlueOcean I really don't think there would be much backlash....the public accepts disposable electronics now. People buy $1000 phones that get tossed in a landfill in 24 months due to the battery. It's "normal" now, unfortunatley.
@DarthNocturnal You can always save money with game deals and hopefully you find a good retailer deal for the controller. The Elite controller is for Xbox, 360, Xbox One and hopefully Scarlett games when you play on Xbox One or Scarlett... PC too if you play on PC (I don't). It makes every single game feel better, that's why I recommend it in spite of price. It's like the Xbox One X. Do you need it? No. Every single game runs better (even old games) on Xbox One X? Yes. I have an Xbox One X and an Elite controller and I'm not even a hardcore player and I don't even play too much but the time I spend playing I'm having the best experience (yeah because PC is a hassle for me).
@NEStalgia I don't buy expensive smartphones (that's how I save money) By the way, the original price of the Elite series 1 is €/$149.00 so the price difference is €/$30, makes sense considering the extra features that you listed. I am not going to upgrade, I'm not rich, but if mine breaks I would get the new model as long as there is a way to replace the battery as I hope.
@Anti-Matter If your PC is up to it you can play Forza Horizon 4 on PC - many XB1 games can be played on PC now. Not that I've tried it myself yet though.
You guys had me at blood and semen.
What better way to celebrate than firing something out of the pipe?
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My PC is completely not designed to play PC games and no internet connection at all.
Beside, i have no desire to play PC games anymore so i depend on my consoles to play the games.
OMG I am playing the Banjo-Kazooie games in UHD. You guys really should check this. They look like a crystal-clear cartoon. Thank you guys at Microsoft.
@gcunit They haven't stopped releasing backwards compatible games, it's just that the engineers are focused on getting every Xbox One and every backwards compatible game running properly on Scarlett. They did a similar work with the Xbox One X launch. Once the next backwards compatible games are ready to launch they will be available on Xbox One and Scarlett.
Before anyone gets too hyped about the specs of Scarlett it's worth pointing out that what they have outlined isn't that much of a push. The "8K - 120fps" isn't anything more than the spec of HDMI 2.1. It supports this resolution in the same way that the Wii U could have technically supported "4K @ 30fps". This doesn't mean it can drive that resolution and, to be blunt, there's no chance in hell it can.
The "4X more powerful than the X" bit just means that it's about the same relative spec as the X was when it launched. Which isn't bad by any stretch, it's actually pretty decent especially with the leaps AMD has been making. It's also probably enough to be able to get 60fps at 4K the majority of the time, assuming you're not wanting to do some Ray Tracing or push for a "generational shift" in visuals. Even so it's certainly not something that Sony or even any PC gamer couldn't reach fairly easily.
Same deal with the SSD. Sure it's awesome that it has an SSD now but that's just because the prices of SSDs have constantly been going down, faster than HDDs have been. With SSDs at their current prices if you were building a new PC today a 500GB SSD would be entry level and 2TB isn't that crazy. Looking at some prices at the mid-range SSDs are only about 2x the cost per GB of a 2.5" HDD.
The only difference between it and a PC in terms of the hardware will be the optical drive. Something which they could get away with not having given how garbage optical media is. Well, if they weren't maintaining cross compatibility and didn't double as a UHD BluRay player they would drop it. Nintendo is currently the only company on the right side of that inevitable shift (assuming we keep physical distribution)
@NEStalgia Yeah, the Commander Keen stuff was pretty disappointing, but the card game could hardly have been made any more interesting than it was, so the live action bits actually added to it, in my opinion. And we sure did see more than enough of the gameplay to figure out how it works. Besides: like we didn't know in the first place. All these trading card games work in more or less the same way.
But on to nicer things: I'm guessing you're pretty content with seeing that new Elite controller, huh?
I have to confess that seeing that video actually made me consider getting one, but if I do, it's gonna be a long term plan. Spent more than enough money this last month already...
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
@skywake I have been wondering about something, and as someone who regularly displays plenty of tech knowledge, I'm hoping you can clarify this for me.
Back in the Commodore Amiga days, I was completely into making animations, rendering in 3D and ray tracing. So, for me, that technique sounds old as heck, and now, with the upcoming console generation, they're talking about ray tracing as if it's the latest tech. What's up with that, and what's the difference between the old and the new ray tracing? (if any)
Thanks in advance for any research effort on your part.
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
@BlueOcean In the words of Keanu: "Whoooah!" that's incredible news! The visuals on the older games felt...well...older. If they really updated the Banjo games that's significant!
@skywake Was anyone actually expecting consoles to be a bigger leap than 1X was when it launched? PS5 and X2 will be similar spec, both are mostly using the same hardware platforms. A high duty cycle 2TB SSD still costs >$500, and no doubt consoles are using M2 and not cheaper, bulkier SATA, for space reasons. Yeah you can get one of those slow MLC SSDs for less....but I fear that will be an RRoD scenario for everyone if Sony and MS try to use that for gaming. It's fine for running Outlook. 4k@60 sounds great....I'm not convinced 8k is ever going to take off. Selling "more k's" only goes so far. 4k is already more pixels than the human eye can differentiate. It's just tech for the sake of tech now.
@ThanosReXXX the live action didn't "add to" the presentation of a card game. It made sitting through a boring mobile card game being sold to the wrong audience bearable by basically removing the ad for the card game. If the card game is so boring you need to show something other than the card game to keep the audience's interest, it's probably a bad product, or your selling it to the wrong people. Somehow I don't think people would rather have a video of cosplayers than watching 10 minutes of Doom Eternal and call it "adding to it"
But yeah, that new Elite looks really nice. Since I already jumped in on the second v1 after they didn't present this in November, I'm not going to jump right in on it, but I'm content that it adds all the features I wanted in v2, without making me feel "behind the times" still having the v1. The only drawback is the liklihood of non-replaceable batteries, vs the v1's replaceable AAs/replaceable Play & Charge. It's one step toward Sonyism. The prototypes leaked in Sept showed a more radical overhaul...it looks like they dialed it back to be the same as the v1 but with some refinements and the leaked features. The tensionable sticks and shorter rear triggers sound fantastic! The long paddles in the rear are mixed blessings. They're easy to press unlike Razer's "rear lever" designs. But they can be too easy to press, and I tend to accidentally do things I don't intend. I've taken the 2 long paddles off for now and left the 2 shorter ones.
Back in the Amiga days, ray tracing was done for STATIC renderings, and it took between minutes and hours to render a single frame. Not in real-time at 30-120fps
@NEStalgia Lots of good news, I didn't expect Rare's 360 games to be enhanced but here they are and I am totally delighted. Xbox One S is worth owning for Rare Replay alone but for me Xbox One X is worth owning for Rare Replay alone now.
I agree with you about Scarlett completely, sure people will always try to be negative about anything, especially if they are Sony or Nintendo die-hard fans but all I've heard about it sounds fantastic. We will be able to use our controllers and play our games at no additional cost, improved like on X but the Xbox One games should be improved even more. Take Monster Hunter World for example, frame rate struggles to keep up even on X, this kind of games will hit their target on Scarlett. On top of that all the new first-party and third-party games will run like a dream on Scarlett, unless next Assassin's Creed is a new Unity case where they go way too far and optimisation is so-so.
the live action didn't "add to" the presentation of a card game
That's just your opinion, my friend, and far from a fact. Perhaps you should already consider that you're indeed not the target audience. Mind you, neither am I, but as you know, I'm far more marketing-minded than most on here, and I definitely see the merits of how they handled this.
The live action bit was obviously a play on immersion and how addictive the game can be, which obviously only works if you're into these kinds of games to begin with, so that kind of voodoo doesn't work on me, but I'm still able to look at it from that point of view regardless.
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
@BlueOcean Having been a PC gamer for a looong time before re-entering into the console world, I know how Ubisoft and friends do "next gen." As soon as new hardware comes out with more power, they scramble to come up with new prettier rendering that will eat every last bit of that performance, and drive framerates and resolutions right back to rock bottom. That won't be Scarlett & PS5's fault...that's just how the big publishers work. So fully expect Assassin's Creed 14 or whatever they're up to to chug and struggle to hit 25fps because they'll loaded it up with ray tracing at the individual hair follicle level. Same for EA, and Warner and the Capcom and the rest. So I wouldn't go for the new games being "finally running right" But they'll sure be purdy.
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