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So I ordered another game from the Amazon digital sale (Fallout 4 for $10? Yes, please.) It went through. Then I ordered a few more (the AC:O Seasons pass for the story DLC, and a few other discounted things to catch up on).....and the order goes to "Pending verification" and it's been sitting there since yesterday. I just don't get Amazon's digital store. Every time I make a digital purchase it makes me re-enter my CC#....except sometimes it doesn't. It's so weird. Last time it was "Pending verification" overnight the order simply vanished the next morning as though it was never placed. Supposedly digital games and cards are a high theft item for stolen cards so they apply tons of security. Remember when digital and ecommerce was suposed to make life easy? Why does it seem harder?

@DarthNocturnal LOL, yeah. Actually they don't call it "high res analog"....they don't really call it anything other than saying it's super responsive, blah blah. I just call it that because in my head it's analogous to a high resolution mouse (high DPI optical sensor.) IIRC instead of potentiometers on the X & Y axis it's actually an optical tracker, so the sticks can't fall out of alignment easily like cheaper analog systems do. The springs can still wear out from use as any flexed mechanical item can do, but the pots are what go bad so readily on MS controllers. The net effect is it's very responsive to very tiny motions of the stick, combined with lower latency by being wired (the Elite, and current model stock PS4 controllers can do the wired trick) provide a noticeable more "keyboard and mouse" like response to a game.

Yeah, the "new" elite, if it's real won't be cheaper, and could be more expensive. The old elite....you know, it's a really nice feeling controller. The grips, the ergonomics, it's a bit heavy (a lot heavy) but the weight feels good somehow with the ergonomics. It feels so premium. The D-pad is clicky and wonderful, both with the disc and the cross. The sticks glide smoothly, and have the reinforced ring and metal neck for less wear/roughness. The 4 extra buttons and curve mappability of the sticks are definitely nice. BUT.

Inside it's cheap. Inside, it's not worth $150 at all. It's the same EXACT analog modules used in the stock controller (with an even worse risk of failing due to the metal-on-plastic weight issue. The first elite sold like hotcakes, but has some serous RROD level defects that MS has conveniently ignored (they denied warranties for most people for a long time, told them to buy a new one, and then when they saw it was an epidemic, RROD style, they started hush-hush replacing them, RROD style... Honestly, much as Thanos hates Sony, I trust Sony hardware to actually work way more than MS. MS has SERIOUS QA issues, continuously. Problem is when it works MS hardware is generally nicer

So the current elite has these problems: Sticks, both, have a high probability of developing drift (sensor/pot miscalibration/shift.) So does the stock controller. But the metal stems make it more likely it seems on the elite. The bumpers are held together by a plastic bridge connecting them. They have been so known to crack at that spot that Chinese replacements are a top seller on Amazon (some disassembly required.) Finally the rubber grips, even if you avoid both above problems (and some people definitely never see those problems after 3 years of daily use, other people get one of the above every 30-100 days), but pretty much EVERYONE has the grips peel off eventually since they're glued only at the edges. of course you can glue those back on. Bumpers can be replaced with some effort. Stick drift is incurable without soldering...and it's apparently high-temp horrible solder to work with.

So yeah, I don't know that I'd buy a current elite for $150.....if doing so a multi-year extended warranty is a must. An absolute must. It's overpriced for the build quality, even if it feels soooo soooo nice in hand (and it does.) And that D-Pad is amazing. It really is. If I was one of those "fighting games are for d-pads" people I'd be hoarding them.

I paid half price for mine, so only a little more than the SoT controller. Even with the defective right stick, at that price it's totally worth it. I can just set the "delayed" (wide dead zone) curve and for most games it will play fine.

Now the Razer Wolverine Ultimate. THAT thing is a beauty. It's even more than the Elite by $10 but you're actually getting something worth the money inside (even if outside it doesn't feel very premium.) The d-pad is kind of so-so, but the grips, buttons, triggers, software, sticks are all very nice. It's wired which is good and bad. Better response time, but...wired. A lot of Elite owners only use it wired as well though. Heck so do a lot of Switch Pro controller players (serious Splatoon players.) When wired, Switch Pro, like Gen2 PS4 controllers is a true wired input. It's overkill. It's aimed toward competitive players. But like Thanos said I'm a nitpicker. When I was PC I went with all mechanical keyboards and Razer or Steel Series mice. To me the difference was huge. So this is a controller that feels less "Porche" in the hand than the Elite, but but inside every single button is a Razer mouse microswitch. Regular controllers feel so mushy after you get used to it. This sticks glide a little less smooth than Elite, but are much more precise/responsive.

@ThanosRexxx Yeah I figured SoT would be a fun co-op game, and I love couch co-op even if it requires two consoles and screens...but then I saw it takes 3 people to run a ship and so on and...meh. I don't mind QUIET anonymous online play (Splatoon, Dissidia, etc.) But I don't really do voice chat and random play so yeah, I'm kind of losing all interest in SoT as well. Shame, it looked kind of cool.

Haha, yeah I thought it looked like a turntable too! Which is kind of cool.

Well, "performance mode" makes things worse because it drops it to 720p and then stretches it back up It could be just a Vanquish issue, too.

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@DarthNocturnal That's kind of cool and yet I would somehow feel very self concious playing Halo in public. Feels so....."yeah I'm so awesome" in the way a 13 year old would view it. If you put that and a Gal Gun cabinet next to each other, you'll find me at the Luigi's Mansion cab.

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ThanosReXXX

@DarthNocturnal Could be fun, that arcade game, but I don't think it's gonna be interesting for ACTUAL Halo fans: for that, it is way too shallow of an experience. This is more or less Virtua Cop/House of the Dead with a Halo skin on it, much like every other Arcade shooter.

@NaviAndMii Don't even get me started on being defeated by kids in games.... Grrrr....

@NEStalgia Stretches it back up? That sounds more like your TV is doing that. The whole gimmick of performance mode is specifically to be able to play Xbox 360 games with the original graphics, jaggies and all, just like you like them. The only addition is the uncapped frame rate, but other than that, it should take care of your "Vasoline smear" problem...

And yeah, totally agreed on Sea of Thieves (why doesn't anyone ever type titles fully anymore? I hate abbreviations, sometimes, they keep me guessing for ages, like your RotR... ). Looks like a fun game, and I like the aesthetics as well, but because of the same reasons as you, I just couldn't be bothered to play it.

'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

Nintendo Network ID: ThanosReXX

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@ThanosReXXX I can't be positive whether the X1 is doing the scaling or the display is doing the scaling, but if you're on a 1080p output, one or the other is going to have to do the scaling back to 1080p, which also softens the image I'd have to try it on my other screen to see the difference through the other AVR though, that's the one I played the 360 on. (That's my debate with Deus Ex actually. They have a PS4 Pro patch for native (checkerboard) 4k, while the X1 is the 900p version the OG X1 (that weak first machine really hurt Xbox for a while this gen. Then again, looking at the Ubisoft revenues chart, PS makes up almost half of all sales....the rest is split between X1, PC, and Switch with X1 taking a surprisingly sizable lead over PC. PC Master Race. Pfft. So I guess it makes sense to target PS4 first in general from a dev perspective. Makes me proud to be on Team Underdog for the moment I still have a soft spot for PS though.

Ppl type abbrv. for titles bc 4 ppl like us that write a lot it's just 2 many characters that r typed 2 often when we all know what they mean to keep typing them 4ever. Makes me envy the Chinese language. One character. One word. The ultimate in abbreviated systems. The down side is you have to remember "box squiggle dot sash, dot-dot inside a coily thing with three bars on a stick" means "ocean faring criminals are close" which means "Sea of Thieves"

But yeah the abbeviations only work if you're already in on the conversation and have any clue what everyone is talking about already.....particularly in gaming where so many titles are thrown around so often it kind of assumes everyone is up to date on the current internet dialect glossary.

@DarthNocturnal That's good to know. If I ever do game pass I'll try it out. Or if it has a free weekend at some point.

I still have mixed feelings about Game Pass. The IDEA is wonderful. The implementation.....100 games....mostly cheap old games, indie games, and X360 games, and a few excellent ones. Sony's Now is $5 more, and has 600 games, including most good ones.....BUT it's trashy streaming with awful video. Game Pass has the right idea, but it needs to expand the library of actual X1 games massively to be "good". And I swear Forza 7 was on GP just 2 weeks ago. Now it's not. But they supposedly change them the first of the month...and 1st party was supposed to be permanent.

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redd214

Well my Xbox One journey lasted less than a week lol. Going back to Gamestop today, hopefully will find a more loving home. As much as I like playing FH3 doesn't make sense to have a system just for one game. Besides The Crew 2 looks fantastic will hopefully scratch my racing itch for next few months!

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Grumblevolcano

The new XB1 update has it that if you don't turn controllers off before turning the system off, the controller automatically turns the console back on which is stupid.

Grumblevolcano

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redd214

@DarthNocturnal I agree. Original crew had its rough areas but it was a blast to play especially with friends. Been watching all the preview coverage last couple days of the sequel and looks like they made a ton of improvements

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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia Man, you're one really hard to please customer, aren't you?
Can't imagine that upscaling also softens the image, though. So I'm not buying that.

I've never put that much time into investigating how certain games look or why, it all seems so futile.
I just play and enjoy them, seems like the thing we're supposed to do with consoles...

As for those abbreviations: I'm still waiting to see what the hell RotR is. The only connection that I could make with that, is Rise of the Robots, but that probably isn't it...

@redd214 Whàààààttt ???

'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

Nintendo Network ID: ThanosReXX

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@ThanosReXXX lol yeah man. Just figured it isn't really worth it for me. Between the system itself, the fact that FH3 is a game I would want to play with a wheel, and the game really shines when playing with others (would have to pay for live). That's over $500 there. Was planning on getting a new computer for the kiddos next school year anyways so that's another 500. May as well just spend about $1000 get a decent pc and play there with the ps4 wheel I already have. Makes more sense to do it that way. Dont worry the boss lady is cool with it haha 😂😂

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ThanosReXXX

@redd214 Haha, no worries man, no need to explain and considering your situation, I can kinda get it. And even though I really think it's a shame, because I absolutely NEVER sell/trade in consoles, I was basically just pulling your leg a bit.

@Grumblevolcano That could be it, yes. But I'm still going to wait and see what @NEStalgia says it is, so we can be sure...
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Aaaannnddd... ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner...

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'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

Nintendo Network ID: ThanosReXX

redd214

@ThanosReXXX Strange but even when I was a kid I never felt that way. Have always traded things in to get new things. I remember Toys R Us (RIP) having a deal when I was a kid. Trade in a Snes or Genesis with 10 games and get half off a Playstation. Since I had both traded it all in for a PS1 and Tekken 2!

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ThanosReXXX

@redd214 Trade in a SNES? Total blasphemy, I tell you!

But all joking aside: never liked the Playstation brand, so that seriously would NEVER have been an option for me. Two consoles for one seems like a bad deal as well. And I know trading in is a pretty established and accepted phenomenon nowadays, but I certainly don't find it strange to not join the masses into doing that.

From my own experience, I once sold my first home computer and gaming system, an MSX computer, so I could upgrade to the Commodore Amiga. And even though I had a wonderful time with my new home computer and all of its wonderful games, I have always regretted doing that, so ever since that day, I vowed to NEVER do that ever again, so I still have ALL my handhelds and all my consoles to this very day, and I'm very happy with it.

@DarthNocturnal Exactly. I feel your pain...

'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

Nintendo Network ID: ThanosReXX

redd214

@ThanosReXXX it may seem like a bad deal for you but worked out pretty well for me. My greatest gaming experiences as a kid came from that ugly gray box. The tekkens, Ridge racers, Ape Escape, spyro, crash I could go on and on, no regrets at all. Buying, trading and selling has always kinda been a thing for me though. Guess that's why I work in investments now lol😂🤣

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ThanosReXXX

@redd214 In sales & marketing myself, but that still doesn't make me sell or market my own consoles or handhelds...

After my long run with the Commodore Amiga family (three different systems in total), my very first console purchase was an N64, which was my first re-acquaintance with Nintendo since many years. I always played NES and SNES games at my cousin's house, but I never had any of those consoles myself. That is also why I'm hunting these Mini consoles now...

The N64 to me was far superior to the PSX. Maybe not in games, but definitely in graphics. A lot of friends had the PSX, so I've played and even enjoyed enough of its games, and I simply LOVED that T-Rex tech demo, but ultimately, I couldn't stand the mini-steck textures and the wibbly-wobbly heat wave effect that 3D games suffered on the PSX, something that was completely absent from the N64, which had rock solid 3D and smooth, even textures, so I took the smaller game catalog for granted in favor of it being the superior system power wise.

And I've been with Nintendo ever since. Bought a Game Boy Color not long after that N64, to suit my portable/holiday gaming needs, and the rest is history. Besides Nintendo systems, I own a Sega Dreamcast, an Xbox 360 and an Xbox One S.

Had to end my sentence with that console, both because it's my latest purchase and because this is the Xbox thread, after all. So, what are you still doing here, ex-Xbox One owner? Scoot, get on outta here...

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'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

Nintendo Network ID: ThanosReXX

NEStalgia

@redd214 I don't know, typically when you trade things the goal is not giving YOU more value, it's giving whomever you're trading to more value. If I trade my 360 or my PS3, or my PS2, I can't use those original machines and libraries again. In exchange I'm given a small token of value to put toward something else. I can certainly see the merit/economics of doing such things, but I guess it's all mindset. When I buy something I expect to be buried with it. It took me a looooooong time to get "accustomed" to the post 2000 disposable products world. And I'm still not used to it. I'd buy stuff and wonder why it broke in 2 years. I expected at least 20-30. After all, my NES still works 30 years later....

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redd214

ThanosReXXX wrote:

@redd214

The N64 to me was far superior to the PSX. Maybe not in games, but definitely in graphics....so I took the smaller game catalog for granted in favor of it being the superior system power wise.

Arent the games what's more important at the end of the day? Countless times I've read on this site in regards to the switch, wii u and wii that it's not about the power or graphics its about the games. Interesting to see you feel the opposite.

Ahh well I can tell when I'm not welcome. I'll just go trade in some stuff and be on my way 😉

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ThanosReXXX

@redd214 For me, it's a little bit of both. And if a certain thing annoys or bugs me, I can't un-see or ignore it anymore, and that heat sink 3D effect from the PSX bothered me to such an extent, that it completely deterred me from buying it. I found the way that the N64 displayed its 3D graphics, was more pleasing and relaxing to the eye.

I'm really nowhere near being a graphics wh**e, as evidenced by me choosing a Wii over an Xbox 360 as my first purchase during that generation, but that did trigger me back in the N64/PSX era.

And this annoyance that I had with the system's graphics wasn't the only thing, because I have a long standing grudge against Sony, for them screwing me over three times over quite a period of time. Long story, but people on here who know me have heard it before, so they aren't surprised anymore that I'm not so enamored with Sony anymore...

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'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

Nintendo Network ID: ThanosReXX

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@NEStalgia Hear, hear! Death to disposability...

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'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

Nintendo Network ID: ThanosReXX

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