forza is arcade though. pc can be played as a sim. i tried forza 6 apex and found the handling of the cars to be awful compared to pc.
pc2 has been patched i heard. the developers never bothered patching the first pc though. i am currently thinking of getting pc2, but i will wait for a complete version with all dlcs for around 30€
@NEStalgia Well, I for one disagree. Regardless of how many more games Sony has, I hardly find any of them interesting. I can never come up with more than a handful that I would find interesting or would want to have the console for. I find a lot of their triple A games are overrated, wannabee movie-like experiences, which is what I don't like, and other than that, a lot of more Asian-oriented things. Which can be nice, but I also like my more Western games, thank you...
As for the theme only being shooters and racers, that's also a bit short-sighted. There's platformers, role playing games, arcade games, simulators of all kinds, RTS games etc. etc. Not as big of an assortment as Sony currently has, but still more than enough to create a healthy backlog, even for the more critical gamers.
Oh, and you'd probably not like Project CARS; it's completely sim racing, and bone dry in comparison to Forza Horizon. I also don't agree on what link37110 said about Forza Horizon being too easy once you've played Project CARS.
The comparison is skewed, since one is an arcade racer which can at most be turned into a simcade, by upping the difficulty settings, but Project CARS is a full-blown sim, with a number of car tweaking settings that is going to make the average car racing fan's head spin. Unless you're not really into hardcore realistic racing simulations, Project CARS will probably not interest you. I had the free version of the first, which looked absolutely stunning, even in comparison with Forza's main line games, but it was a completely different experience.
Pretty intricate game, and it requires you to know what you're doing in regards to car tuning, to get the most out of it experience-wise. The second game is apparently better, but I figure they just ironed out the bugs, and I won't assume that they made it more user-friendly to non-simulation fans, so there'll probably not be a more arcade-like setting. Or maybe there is, and you should just give it a try and make up your own mind. I for one won't be trying another game in the series, after having played and deleted the first one, and I'm most certainly not going to pay for it...
@Dezzy Well, they didn't get these graphics out of the "original" Xbox, obviously...
But in all seriousness: Playground games simply knows how to handle the hardware and get out of it what's necessary.
And racing games have in general always looked better than other genres, because the full power of the console can go into cars and tracks instead of into large, open worlds and what not, so in that regard, more hardware power and thus more graphical beauty, can be dedicated to that, to make racing games look the way they do.
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
@6ch6ris6 Forza Horizon is arcade, but I thought Motorsport was sim? I have zero experience with the sim genre, but from my perspective GT and Motorsport were definitely considered sims.
@ThanosReXXX I think the "they're all wannebe movies" on PS gets overblown. That's definitely not true, though their most marketed games in the West tend to be. It's a really diverse list of all different sorts of games:
Persona 5
Nioh
Gravity Rush
Gravity Rush 2
Tearaway
Ratchet & Clank
Infamous Second Son
Infamous First Light
Bloodborne (I detest it but it's surely no movie)
Yakuza (1 HD, 2 HD, 0, and 6 for now)
Horizon Zero Dawn
Uncharted (Overrated, cinematic, but I do enjoy them. Good popcorn flick.)
Last Guardian
Shadow of the Colossus
Knack 1-2 (Yes everybody hates Knack, I love Knack. Screw you all. )
God of War
WipeOUT (I know you are tempted by this one! )
Ni No Kuni 2
Detroit Become Human (David Cage games are controversial so they're inherently niche)
The Order 1886 (It's basically a movie. Not my thing.)
Star Ocean
FF7-FF12
Tales of Berseria (though XBox had Vesperia locked until now.)
World of Final Fantasy
Kingdom Hearts 1&2
Spider-Man
Killzone (I dislike it more or less)
Little Big Planet (it should be better than it is.)
SFV
I'm sure I'm forgetting others.
The Last of Us (I don't do zombies but people love it)
The other 3 or 4 zombies series they have (I ignore them, sorry, not a complete list.)
That excludes VR games since I consider that a separate platform. I'm sure I'm forgeting a few other exclusives though.
Contrast that to X1:
Forza 6-7
Forza Horizon 2-4.
Crackdown 3 (is 2 BC?)
Ryse
Quantum Break
Halo (1-6 (presumably))
Gears of War (1-5 (presumably))
Ori (1-2)
Super Lucky's Tale
Some older Sega games and such Sony doesn't have.i
Sea of Thieves
XBox's zombie game (I really don't pay attention to those... )
PUBG?
Recore
Rare replay
Sunset Overdrive
Cuphead
KI
Halo Wars (1-2)
And....that's mostly it.
The list is smaller (I'm only listing major exclusives/semi-exclusives for each) but the real issue with MS's lineup is the general lack of diversity. There are a few outliers but most of the others all overlap each other heavily in terms of appeal and are limited to 2.5 primary genres versus Sony having much broader appeal, which I believe is a key to why Sony's lineup is much better received to the masses. XBox is a dream for a specific type of gamer compared to Sony, but it doesn't offer a lot of incentive to any other kind of gamer (which is the other key to why it's a catastrophic failure in Japan, where that type of gamer almost doesn't exist.) But most of that Sony list isn't any more "wannabe movie" than the XBox list if you remove Naughty Dog and The Order, maybe Spider-Man (though that really is a good game, if you like the Arkham games, Spider-Man is even better....not surprising from Insomniac. If you like Sunset Overdrive you like Spider-Man...it has a lot of familiar concepts done in a new way.)
All that said, "Asian-oriented things" is important. I happen to like Asian-oriented games at worst equally, at best, more than Western-oriented games. I figured that was kind of an implied commonality for everyone hanging around a Nintendo fan site.....not very many Western-oriented games on Nintendo So yeah a huge bredth of the Sony catalog appeals to me (and Vesperia was a huge announce to me at the MS show...though I'm getting it on Switch.... ) Though I don't get into the very very anime focused junk that saturates PS. Technically neither does Japan. It's a very otaku thing there, and seems mostly made to sell to "weebs" here, which is kind of an embarrassing niche in both countries. But yeah for someone that's mostly into the western motifs of games, I can see Sony not offering a lot, and XBox offering "great" exclusives. This year is the first year they're breaking their own mold with SoT and Super Lucky. Before those it was even more samey minus Recore which is a quasi puzzle platformer. (Noting we're comparing the exclusives, not the shared multiplats that apply to both machines.) I mean XBox's library has had an image problem, and a big part of that includes their failure in Japan. Most of that was a failure of the OG XBox and some disastrous missteps while they seriously tried to gain footing in Japan, that has stigmatized it and carried over through today both with Japanese consumers and more iportantly a lot of Japanese developers (while Japanese games are having a huge Western resurgence, and Western games are starting to have a Japanese surge.) Everything about OG XBox was fail, yet it had some of their best exclusives ever. "The Duke"....still makes me laugh.
Speaking of XBox exclusives, Pay EA....I want Jade Empire 2!!!!1
I think @link37110 was comparing PC to Motorsport 6, not Horizon. That's what left me most confused. That said thanks for the tip on Project Cars.....yeah the tuning, I have no idea what I'm doing and no interest in doing it. I just want to run the tracks, not tune the cars. I don't tune Forza 7 either.
@NEStalgia Obviously not ALL of them, and I explicitly said "a lot of them", but I figured you'd get the point alright. Other than that, you can list games all day long or all the way to Timbuktu, but there's nothing that's going to make me reconsider the points I made, so I stand by them.
And in that entire PS4 list, there's only 4 or 5 that I'd want to play, and NO, not WipeOut, so you misjudged me there.
The Xbox One list on the other hand... well, needless to say that it holds more interest for me than anything that Sony can come up with.
And you actually missed quite a bit with that list. Here's a more complete one, even if you remove all the indies from it: https://gematsu.com/exclusives/xbox-one
Anyway, enough with all this Sony BS. I've no desire to be in the PS4 fan thread, I'm here for all the great Xbox games...
Oh, and I did a miss-quote, because it wasn't link37110 making that comment, but 6ch6ris6, and it wasn't even about Forza Horizon, but about arcade racers in general, so my mistake there.
P.S.
You can remove the question mark from PUBG...
@6ch6ris6 No offense, but I disagree. All the mainline Forza games, aka Forza Motorsport games, are actual racing simulators. Forza was specifically meant by Microsoft to be the Xbox's Gran Turismo, a game which calls itself "The Real Driving Simulator", so I'd say that already says a lot. It has previously also been explicitly mentioned that they started developing the Forza Horizon series to offer a more arcade/simcade experience, so that actually IS a more arcade-like game, but Forza Motorsport is definitely not a semi-sim or arcade-like game.
Sure, the base settings are kind of light (actually done on purpose to make the game more instantly accessible for a broader audience), and you can switch on/switch off all kinds of settings to make it play as such, and there are perhaps not as many settings to play with as in the more hardcore sims, but that doesn't take anything away from it still being a racing simulator, just like Gran Turismo is also one.
Except Forza, especially nowadays, is FAR better than Gran Turismo, in several areas, such as damage models, car sounds, track detail and so on. So, if Gran Turismo is a real racing sim, then so is Forza Motorsport. It may not have as much intricacies as the really in-depth sims as Assetto Corsa or Project CARS, but it is a sim nonetheless.
I think that because it has this more accessible feel (in part perhaps also due to adjustments (sacrifices?) made for controller usage as opposed to a steering wheel), that people in general are labeling this as sim-cade, but perhaps it is better to make a distinction between regular sims, such as Gran Turismo and Forza, and hard-sims (actually a thing) such as Assetto Corsa, iRacing and Project CARS. (although arguably, even Project CARS isn't a hard-sim, since I've seen plenty of iRacing and Assetto Corsa fans slam that series of games as well, for being too "light"... )
@ThanosReXXX It's like we don't even know each other anymore! sobs
Aww, only 4-5 games on that list you like? Dang that backlog is crushing me And that's my least populated console! But many of those games are at the top of my list! And I'm surprised no WipEout for you as an F-Zero fan and all!
And yeah I'm sure I missed a bunch from both platforms So many "timed exclusives" too. I never know Psycho Pass was a timed exclusive. It was a freebie on PS+ a few months back which is the first I'd heard of it (kind of a cool Japanese visual novel though.)
Yeah I wasn't sure about PUBG, it's not my kind of thing so I haven't followed it but I had a feeling it was exclusive.
Oh man iRacing and Assetto Corsa. Never played one but the mental image in my head is of a blinking LED $2000 PC, and $5000 worth of custom wheels, pedals, shiftboxes, and force feedback chairs....
@redd214 You know I came really really close to buying one a few weeks ago to use an Elite on the PS4. And then you told me that Razer was releasing wireless Raijus and I decided to wait Ah well
@BlueOcean Some very good points. I personally think Microsoft is getting WAY too much flak, either for mistakes of the past, or behaviors of the past, whereas in the last couple of years, they've made absolutely MASSIVE improvements in their ecosystem, customer-friendliness, and services. Services that were already always better than Sony's, if we're talking about online stability and so on.
As it just so happens (I don't believe in coincidence, but still), I came across this video earlier today, which highlights 10 benefits of the Xbox One X over the PS4 Pro, as seen by a former PlayStation-only gamer, who has crossed sides:
Part of it can most definitely be argued about, but he has some good points, that should not be overlooked by open-minded gamers, but unfortunately, most gamers are fanatically loyal to certain platform of their choice, and simply keep slamming the others because its not their (favorite) platform, even if they have never tried any of their games.
In short: console wars are idiotic, and brand loyal gamers are often times close-minded individuals.
I've always been a multi-console owner myself, and each of them have their strengths and weaknesses. The only reason that I have no Sony consoles is because of a personal, and long-time grievance I've had with them which started before there was any Sony console to speak of, and ended when the PS2 arrived, but for me, that was that. Three strikes and all that...
"PS4 has really good exclusives... but so has Xbox.
Maybe I just wanted to play Halo, maybe I wanted to get behind the wheel in the latest generation of Forza, does that mean that I get my PlayStation fanboy membership card revoked? If so, it was worth it!
I don't think any gamer should be limited to brand loyalty".
Good video, funny and true. I never had an Xbox console until One and I can relate. All consoles have good exclusives but Xbox just happens to be my favourite platform now because of the controller, console, services and, yes, games.
One thing that is mentioned and that is probably irrelevant but I also think that the PS4 Pro is ugly and that both Xbox One S and X are lookers.
@redd214 still not showing in the us. Their live chat is never up, and their 24 hour email has yet to reply... . I fear ill have to wait for gray market amazon importers..... Something sony seems to prohibit 3rd party us controllers. Hori has the same "not in the us!" Issue. Nacon and scuff are allowed, and xbox has no such trouble. Its so weird.
@NEStalgia I liked the "iffy" Quantum Break more than many Sony exclusives. What you are saying is totally subjective, so I don't think that PS4 exclusives are better than Microsoft's. Probably the main Sony exclusives come from Naughty Dog and are Uncharted and The Last of Us and, in spite of AAA visuals and AAA voice acting I don't think that they are so good as games.
You listed third-party games as exclusives, as I said it's sad that some are not available on Xbox but they are coming, like Nier Automata. It seems that you like those Japanese single-player games and I can understand that, but I wouldn't be playing all of them even if I had the time and money and, honestly, don't feel like using the PS4 controller more than what is strictly necessary.
I can find any genre on Xbox, I am looking forward to a sequel to Super Lucky's Tale that is more ambitious and something like Fable 4, but in the meantime I have plenty of things to play. If I want a Japanese single-player game I'll probably look at something like Final Fantasy or Resident Evil, if I want a Western single-player I'll play Red Dead Redemption 2 and Halo. I don't need to play absolutely everything unless it's something I can't live without like Resident Evil.
So yes, once again, the three consoles have nice exclusives, nobody denied that, but Nintendo's get a lot of hype and acclaim always: Best Mario ever, Best The Legend of Zelda ever, best Mario Kart ever... Sony exactly the same with their exclusives except for one, Knack 3. Microsoft exclusives are much more undervalued but that doesn't make them any worse: Halo, Forza Horizon, Sea of Thieves, Super Lucky's Tale, Ori, Gears, Killer Instinct, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, etc.
Specifically would be using it for a racing wheel not just controllers. Been reading a bit about them wanted to see if anyone had 1st hand exp.
I bought one for using a SFV fighting stick on Xbox One and it works flawlessly, you can use it wirelessly or wired, obviously for fighting sticks and driving wheels you are going to use it wired. I have seen other brands that are cheaper or that are compatible with more consoles (Brook has a model for each console) but I bought Brook because it was recommended and no problems this far. The mapping is automatic but you can change anything if you want so.
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