@Grumblevolcano When did they specifically say 2020? Not that doesn't seem likely but I don't recall them saying that. That said, they've also hinted heavily at iterative builds. So has Sony but MS seems to be doubling down on it. I.E. I'm not convinced the next XBox hardware is "next gen" so much as "the next model up." I really wouldn't doubt if they just started releasing new hardware every 2-3 years to maintain the power mantle but also not obsoleting the prior one. They'll have to tread carefully with the 1X still being 8 months old. Releasing a $500 box that becomes "legacy" 3 years (and lame duck in 1.5-2.5) later is risky business if it's not actually co-compatible. Heck XB didn't join the gen until the 1S the year before.) Far from a guarantee, but I definitely wouldn't be a surprise for "X1X, and X1Y will run the future games, X1 and X1S will be phased out." kind of model. They have frequently hinted at such a model. (heck in the current X, the GPU still has more grunt it's not using many times, it's just pigeonholed by the CPU.)
I'm certain Sony will stick to sandboxed "gens" despite saying they might not. But MS is trying to head away from that. X may not become a pumpkin when the next box releases. Still, 2.5 years is a lot of play time if you already have a games library. Besides, why get the 1Y in 2020 when you'll still be waiting for Crackdown 3? (bada bing) I'd rather stick to my 1X and wait for the X1Y2 mid-way through that is the 1Y that the 1Y was supposed to be but wasn't. Seriously, though, it's an interesting question. What DOES the next gen of consoles look like if not iterative. In the past console was WAY behind PC and it was always about edging closer to what PCs are doing. Today, Pro/X/PC comparisons mostly show different frame-rate, or better texture filtering/draw distance. There's not really a meaningful power gap beyond maximum detail to demarcate gen jumps....just iterative improvement. Consoles really have become little PCs. And if the "streaming future" is the goal of publishers, games aren't going to be made to push hardware for the time being...they'll be made with the ideal power balance for economical server operation in mind, so I don't think PC games are going to push the limits like they used to either. We're kind of plateauing and catching up to the plateau where software was pushing hardware beyond real ability. I don't think Gen 9 will look like prior gens at all (or rather will look shockingly like 8th gen.) There's really not anywhere else for them to go. Any jump has to happen on PC first, and has to go through the cost wall first. And that's been stagnant for a decade. And the X-Box/PS2 era days of the console being massively subsidized to punch well over its price point are presumably done forever as well.
@ThanosRexxx Watched without audio and read it. Honestly I did see a notable difference between base model consoles and the Pro, but yeah from there even to PC it wasn't amazingly different. (How DID they render that E3 demo 2 years ago??) I doubt even an MS store sale will rival that PSN sale, and since I'm not super sold on the game, might as well go for cheap. 60% off an $80 trilogy is a pretty slick deal. (my luck I buy it and it shows up on MS store next week.....grr. )
Seriously though, PS4 Pro is a "New 3DS" system. But I'm not convinced that's what X is. Sony got kind of blindsided by "Scorpio", while they were going for a "mid gen bump for 4k" Scorpio always seemed to be promising something different.
You could be right, but if you are I think it will be yet another tarnish on the brand that will be hard to recover from if you are. X was not promoted as a mere "slightly enhanced 1 for 4K" the way Pro was. Considering the X is still newer than Switch and still full price, "obsolete by holiday 2020" wouldn't sit well with many. Splitting its release from S by a year and having a whole E3 show all about it was kind of a rebirth of xbox. Even Spencer's reaction to Guillemot's "streaming" antics was:
"Regarding your specific question about console generations, this is why I still see games themselves evolving beyond generations, and I’d like to keep evolving hardware as multi-generational too."
It was a hedge, a few weeks back, just before mentioning both streaming and "new xbox in development" (to combat the streaming part.) But mixed with past comments there's a clear pattern they're really not interested in generations. I.E. fair probability that 1X is both "best current gen" and "worst next gen" at the same time.
@NEStalgia Well, I think you should watch it again, WITH audio, or just listen to it, because they make note of quite a few interesting things, so I personally think it's well worth it.
To be clear:
The video worth watching/listening to, is the one of the second game, not the video in the article I linked to.
As for that E3 demo: I heard they switched engines somewhere between games, and I do believe it's also mentioned in the second video, so that might account for that, and perhaps the demo that they used, was less demanding and buggy than the final product. Kind of counter intuitive, if you think about it, but stranger things have already happened, and will probably continue to happen...
Oh, and if you read my advice, then at least make the effort to actually really READ it: I never said you should go with the Xbox version or should go with the MS Store sale. But perhaps you should just wait until summer is over, and we're all back in the "no special discounts" season...
Well, unless there's something like an autumn sale in the States, nowadays...
@ThanosReXXX Yeah, I'll have to watch the vid later when I actually have speakers available
Interesting if they changed engines....not sure why they would have, it looked amazing at the E3 demo, but I can't imagine the PC gear it was running on. Looks kind of cruddy in the final build even on PC. But it's a Bethesda game, so you just kind of expect the bugginess overall. People obsess over how amazing Bethesda is, but imagine putting out software that broken in any other industry? The id Games are clean still....but that's id.
I'm confused....wait until "no special discounts season"....does that mean "wait until it's full price" everywhere? Or a clever way of saying "skip this broken game"?
@Grumblevolcano Ah, here's the other quote from Phil from April:
"I think we can learn from PC here. GPUs are supported until a point where there aren't enough players/buyers to make that platform viable for developers. It should be about players and where they want to play."
And taking into account that Digital Foundry used a 4K gfx card for the test, and named a couple of other, later gen games that should be far more demanding, running smooth as butter on that very same card, is both truly bizarre and very telling concerning the optimization (or lack thereof) in this game...
As for the waiting: no, I meant waiting until the price has also come down on the Xbox One version, to see which version is ultimately the cheapest. I must admit that I worded that kinda confusing, so my bad...
Ultimately, I expect a similar bundle to arrive on the Xbox One, so that's why I said wait, just to be sure that you really DO get the best deal, seeing as performance-wise, it really doesn't matter all that much which version you go for, since the differences are only minimal, and are things that most people wouldn't even notice, while playing...
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
@NEStalgia Oh, that thing. Yeah, we definitely did know about those. Assuming things again, aren't we? Tssskk.... when WILL you learn?
I thought we were talking about games, so I was looking for something that related to that, wasn't thinking about real-life carjacking countermeasures...
And the reason that the name didn't ring a bell, is because it wasn't called that over here. There probably were some brand names involved, but in general, we just called them steering wheel locks, or locking bars.
@Zuljaras Games are not "language locked", far as I know. Unless of course you simply bought the German version. If it has English text on the box, then there's English in the game.
In that case, you just have to change the interface language and locale of your console in the settings, so set it to America, for example, instead of Bulgaria or whatever it is now.
The same thing happens with Disney/Pixar games: if you haven't set your console to English in all options, you'll be hearing the voice actors from your own region instead...
So, that's something you can look into, hope it helps.
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
@ThanosReXXX The Locale and Language are both English/English Location.
I bought The Orange Box and Dark Messiah both with ONLY German text on the boxes. However Half-Life is ALL in English and Dark Messiah is ONLY in German with no option to change or download a language pack.
I did a little research and discovered that many other games have the same thing with their language such as the French copy of Diablo 3 and the Spanish copy of Fallout. There are also Russian version of games that can't be played in any other language.
Some copies are just language locked as I would like to call it.
@Zuljaras Well, then it's the game itself, which doesn't have any other options. I don't know what locale you've set, but sometimes, it also makes a difference if you select USA instead of UK, don't ask me why, it just does. Both obviously have English as the language option, but somehow, the locale can still make a difference.
If I remember correctly, though, languages should be mentioned on the box. Most of the time in teeny-tiny letters, so you'll need a magnifying glass or your smart phone to read them, but it should be mentioned, most of the time. And personally, I only buy my games in dedicated game shops, so there will be people there that have knowledge of these games, and I would even be able to test a game before I buy it, just to make sure.
If I were you, I'd trade in that version of the game, and then just re-buy it on Amazon UK or something, one of the German versions (I looked it up, and apparently there are more than one) is also censored, so besides it not having an English language option, it's also the lesser version because of that:
Despite having received a "not under 18" rating from the USK, Ubisoft announced that the two German versions of Dark Messiah will contain some changes from the internationally released version. Specifically, the German version does not allow for enemies' heads or limbs to be severed, enemies cannot be impaled after death, burning enemies will die immediately and their corpses cannot be mutilated further after death. Ubisoft separately released a limited edition "International Version" of the game (playable in English only) which is identical to the version of the game released in most other countries, and which was also released in Germany.
However, since then the Bundesprüfstelle has declared, after an examination in February 2008, that the uncensored version of the game, though heavily relying on melee combat and displaying violent content, is not harmful to minors, as equal importance is laid on the setting in a fantasy world and the elaborated story line. In a second attempt, the original version secured a "not under 18" rating with the USK, though this now rated version has yet to be released in Germany.
So, better start looking for that "International Version", then...
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