@ThanosReXXX Two different vaselines. The WiiU one wasn't actaully blurring, it was the actual resistive touch surface overlaid. That does provide a "different" appearance to a screen but it's a physical screen filter. I never really noticed it on WiiU either (at least not until Mario Maker made me trace all over it where tiny scratches would develop over time ), but the FSAA definitely softens the image heavily. On every platform. (even the way most EMUs work for SNES games and such.) The softening just bugs me. Always has. I tend to prefer sharpening at the cost of noise/jaggies to the softening of images. Many consider it better, but I usually don't.
The back compat games really aren't installing off the disc though, some data I believe is, but the actual code is presumably totally recompiled for X1. Or at least modified. I suppose if you get a copy of someone's downloaded data onto a disc maybe it would work? X1 at least has a legit file manager. Though, again, from a US perspective, that knd of stuff goes from illegal to illegaler. I know EU is a bit more open with that sort of thing, but the console modders that would then burn discs with modified versions of software are pretty much equal with people sending kraked versions of Forza here, so "legally" you're dependent on the MS servers for back compat either way. I don't really go for the "it's only illegal if you get caught" mentality
@DarthNocturnal. Wow. So Ubisoft is actually WORSE than EA now with DRM. That's....impressive. My favorite is on PS4 it tells you you need to log into UPlay. On X1 it tells you you have free rewards you can redeem at Club Ubisoft. If you cancel and don't allow it to switch to the app, it just throws you to the title screen....
@ThanosRexxx OTOH can you play those off the disc with no patches or initial login?
And GameCentral (Metro) gave it a 4/10 ~ “The graphics are terrible, the artificial intelligence is almost non-existent, and it’s so full of bugs it’s like visiting the insect house at London Zoo.”
For all this talk of the worlds most powerful hardware for the past half dozen pages or so, their most recent games - both Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 2 - are clearly unfinished.
I fear it’ll be a three for three with Crackdown 3...
@ThanosReXXX@NEStalgia Haha! Yeah...I'm sure this wasn't an accessory designed purely out of the kindness of their hearts! (Many of the major news outlets over here in the UK are going with the controller reveal as their 'good news story of the day' too - so they've certainly generated a good amount of positive brand identity and free advertising off the back of it! ..and it's very versatile product - so would have a fairly broad marketappeal!)
Still, seeing the controller in use by those it was built for was enough to warm even my cynical old heart! Such a smart idea too - players can have the buttons/triggers/sticks arranged whichever way feels right for a truly 'custom' and comfortable gaming experience - and it looks like it works really, really well...what a time to be alive!
@DarthNocturnal If I remember correctly, it was one of the few Xbox Live Arcade Games that was 1600 points (remember those?), and I believe this worked out to $20.00/€19.20/£13.60 at the time.
I feel like State of Decay 2 should have carried on this pricing tradition instead of upping the price to 50% across the board. This is why I kind of enjoyed the original game, because it was cheap-ish enough to ‘forgive’ the numerous bugs, janky gameplay and the iffy frame rate. Fun, but clunky!
My friend has six months worth of GamePass up until the end of August so, I may have a toy around with the sequel at some point, but I shall keep my expectations in check after the surprisingly critical reviews.
@NEStalgia No, no my friend. My rule is there is no such thing as Vaseline smeared at ALL.
As I said before: it's WAY too over-exaggerated for my taste.
About those backward compatible games: that's EXACTLY what I said, except I specifically mentioned OG Xbox games. Seeing as the GwG Xbox 360 games are downloadable both on Xbox 360 AND Xbox One, I don't think they're keeping two versions of each game on the server, whereby one version is specifically tailored to work on the Xbox One. If I remember correctly, the Xbox One is more or less rebooted with a small emulator front end, that puts the Xbox One in a "real"/hardware-wise Xbox 360 mode, so it actually thinks (and acts like) it is an Xbox 360.
And you apparently also missed me explaining how that would work with downloading games: either the mod chip will allow you to install from disc, so no illegal downloads there, or the people providing the mod chip and related service, also offer a dedicated server for download. Oh, and a crucial thing that I actually DID forget to mention: modding makes the console region free, so you could potentially download from outside the US, where it's indeed still very much a gray area...
The part where I mentioned the drive being able to read/install burned discs, was about discs that you yourself download. ISO's of Xbox 360 games have been available for download for almost a decade already. Hackers only ever offer downloads for just about any console/handheld you can name, most of which you can either copy to a drive/SD card, or burn to a disc.
Car boot sales for copied audio and game discs have long since gone the way of the dinosaur...
Far as those Xbox 360 on Xbox One graphics are concerned, I think you're just a bit (too much) of a nitpicker, and I don't think you're the norm. Most people I know and most reviews/web articles I've read are all positive about older gen games on the Xbox One, so I'd say scrutinize less, throw away that microscope and just enjoy those games...
As for being able to play the games that @DarthNocturnal listed without initial login: beats me, since I haven't got any of these games. Maybe he can tell you, since he was the one mentioning them in the first place...
But how about that Xbox One special needs controller, huh? Talk about Elite...
@NaviAndMii You cynical and old? While I can imagine British shenanigans like Brexit and so on making one feel rather cynical at times, and maybe a bit older than your actual calendar age, I would seriously have to wonder where that leaves me, at 48...
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
Whenever Xbox Live Arcade is brought up, 1 vs. 100 comes to mind because of the prizes and ingame ads (remember Trials HD and N+?). I still miss that game even though it stopped over 8 years ago.
@NEStalgia Aw, man.... You're actually transporting us back a couple of pages.
The whole tuna thing was already done and dusted. On with the actual show. Penalty points for derailment...
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You've even confused the thread itself, with your canned shenanigans. Just look at what happened to the page numbers after I posted the above comment:
@ThanosReXXX That screenshot looks a little fishy to me.
Also, I see you didn't call out @DarthNocturnal for the custom controller design purchase! At least MY special controllers have extra buttons and customization!
@NEStalgia Didn't doctor/shop the screenshot if that's what you're implying...
Whole site went wild on me a couple of times today, such as with not reacting to "Post reply", resulting in me clicking that button multiple times and all of a sudden seeing my comment posted 4 times and all that kind of stuff, so this one page thread glitch was probably also a part of it...
And he didn't buy the controller (or did he?), he just posted info to show that it is coming. I don't think it's even available yet. But I read up on it, and it has FAR more customization options than any other controller. There's all kind of appendages that you can add to it's several connection ports, so those extra buttons are accounted for...
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
@ThanosReXXX Well, then, that's just a whole other kettle of fish.
I get the crazy unresponsive site thing from time to time myself. One time it had me decipost. NL has a life of it's own sometimes...
Nono, not the accessibility controller, the Sea of Thieves limited edition one. I mean that's just graphics on a plain old controller. The Elite gives you 4 extra buttons and a better D-pad, and the Wolverine gives you honest to goodness mechanical buttons and high res analog And it's only twice the money!
(Seriously, though, I love my wireless controllers, but dang that Wolverine is nice, cord and all. I have the Razer Raiju (PS4) which is similar, and nice, but the Wolverine just really refined the ergonomics. Best game controller I've ever used, bar none. I still prefer wireless for hanging back, but I played with the Elite for a while on For Honor and AC:O, then picked up the Wolverine and it was just kind of "wow". The "flat" d-pad is a little iffy, but the 4-way is nicer than Sony's. Elite still wins for best D-pad though. (Still waiting for Elite 2.0.... ))
@NEStalgia Sea of Thieves controller? I thought we were talking about the special abilities controller, since @DarthNocturnalNaviAndMii brought that up. Must have missed the bit about the Sea of Thieves one.
But like the Elite, I'm currently not interested in that either, and more than likely never will be, nor in the game itself. It's the kind of game that seems to me is only fun to play with a lot of people, and I don't do anonymous online multiplayer, so if none of my friends are buying this, then neither am I.
You know what the first thing was when I saw that special abilities controller? I though it looked a hell of a lot like a DJ turn table, so it could just as well have posed as one of those DJ Hero peripherals...
So... about all those handy links I posted for you: have you already tried some of these graphics settings, and that Xbox 360 performance vs graphics setting? Might just help to give you your much coveted jaggies back...
@NaviAndMii You cynical and old? While I can imagine British shenanigans like Brexit and so on making one feel rather cynical at times, and maybe a bit older than your actual calendar age, I would seriously have to wonder where that leaves me, at 48...
Haha! Yeah, it's probably Brexit...an inconvenient truth that's even infiltrating my games! (Football Manager 2018 Touch on Switch - below)
Ugh! ..I thought that games were supposed to be a form of escapism?!
(Plus, I've had my young nephew over in the last few days - running rings around me! ..his youthful enthusiasm and care-free lifestyle is enough to make anyone feel 'old'! )
So I ordered another game from the Amazon digital sale (Fallout 4 for $10? Yes, please.) It went through. Then I ordered a few more (the AC:O Seasons pass for the story DLC, and a few other discounted things to catch up on).....and the order goes to "Pending verification" and it's been sitting there since yesterday. I just don't get Amazon's digital store. Every time I make a digital purchase it makes me re-enter my CC#....except sometimes it doesn't. It's so weird. Last time it was "Pending verification" overnight the order simply vanished the next morning as though it was never placed. Supposedly digital games and cards are a high theft item for stolen cards so they apply tons of security. Remember when digital and ecommerce was suposed to make life easy? Why does it seem harder?
@DarthNocturnal LOL, yeah. Actually they don't call it "high res analog"....they don't really call it anything other than saying it's super responsive, blah blah. I just call it that because in my head it's analogous to a high resolution mouse (high DPI optical sensor.) IIRC instead of potentiometers on the X & Y axis it's actually an optical tracker, so the sticks can't fall out of alignment easily like cheaper analog systems do. The springs can still wear out from use as any flexed mechanical item can do, but the pots are what go bad so readily on MS controllers. The net effect is it's very responsive to very tiny motions of the stick, combined with lower latency by being wired (the Elite, and current model stock PS4 controllers can do the wired trick) provide a noticeable more "keyboard and mouse" like response to a game.
Yeah, the "new" elite, if it's real won't be cheaper, and could be more expensive. The old elite....you know, it's a really nice feeling controller. The grips, the ergonomics, it's a bit heavy (a lot heavy) but the weight feels good somehow with the ergonomics. It feels so premium. The D-pad is clicky and wonderful, both with the disc and the cross. The sticks glide smoothly, and have the reinforced ring and metal neck for less wear/roughness. The 4 extra buttons and curve mappability of the sticks are definitely nice. BUT.
Inside it's cheap. Inside, it's not worth $150 at all. It's the same EXACT analog modules used in the stock controller (with an even worse risk of failing due to the metal-on-plastic weight issue. The first elite sold like hotcakes, but has some serous RROD level defects that MS has conveniently ignored (they denied warranties for most people for a long time, told them to buy a new one, and then when they saw it was an epidemic, RROD style, they started hush-hush replacing them, RROD style... Honestly, much as Thanos hates Sony, I trust Sony hardware to actually work way more than MS. MS has SERIOUS QA issues, continuously. Problem is when it works MS hardware is generally nicer
So the current elite has these problems: Sticks, both, have a high probability of developing drift (sensor/pot miscalibration/shift.) So does the stock controller. But the metal stems make it more likely it seems on the elite. The bumpers are held together by a plastic bridge connecting them. They have been so known to crack at that spot that Chinese replacements are a top seller on Amazon (some disassembly required.) Finally the rubber grips, even if you avoid both above problems (and some people definitely never see those problems after 3 years of daily use, other people get one of the above every 30-100 days), but pretty much EVERYONE has the grips peel off eventually since they're glued only at the edges. of course you can glue those back on. Bumpers can be replaced with some effort. Stick drift is incurable without soldering...and it's apparently high-temp horrible solder to work with.
So yeah, I don't know that I'd buy a current elite for $150.....if doing so a multi-year extended warranty is a must. An absolute must. It's overpriced for the build quality, even if it feels soooo soooo nice in hand (and it does.) And that D-Pad is amazing. It really is. If I was one of those "fighting games are for d-pads" people I'd be hoarding them.
I paid half price for mine, so only a little more than the SoT controller. Even with the defective right stick, at that price it's totally worth it. I can just set the "delayed" (wide dead zone) curve and for most games it will play fine.
Now the Razer Wolverine Ultimate. THAT thing is a beauty. It's even more than the Elite by $10 but you're actually getting something worth the money inside (even if outside it doesn't feel very premium.) The d-pad is kind of so-so, but the grips, buttons, triggers, software, sticks are all very nice. It's wired which is good and bad. Better response time, but...wired. A lot of Elite owners only use it wired as well though. Heck so do a lot of Switch Pro controller players (serious Splatoon players.) When wired, Switch Pro, like Gen2 PS4 controllers is a true wired input. It's overkill. It's aimed toward competitive players. But like Thanos said I'm a nitpicker. When I was PC I went with all mechanical keyboards and Razer or Steel Series mice. To me the difference was huge. So this is a controller that feels less "Porche" in the hand than the Elite, but but inside every single button is a Razer mouse microswitch. Regular controllers feel so mushy after you get used to it. This sticks glide a little less smooth than Elite, but are much more precise/responsive.
@ThanosRexxx Yeah I figured SoT would be a fun co-op game, and I love couch co-op even if it requires two consoles and screens...but then I saw it takes 3 people to run a ship and so on and...meh. I don't mind QUIET anonymous online play (Splatoon, Dissidia, etc.) But I don't really do voice chat and random play so yeah, I'm kind of losing all interest in SoT as well. Shame, it looked kind of cool.
Haha, yeah I thought it looked like a turntable too! Which is kind of cool.
Well, "performance mode" makes things worse because it drops it to 720p and then stretches it back up It could be just a Vanquish issue, too.
@DarthNocturnal That's kind of cool and yet I would somehow feel very self concious playing Halo in public. Feels so....."yeah I'm so awesome" in the way a 13 year old would view it. If you put that and a Gal Gun cabinet next to each other, you'll find me at the Luigi's Mansion cab.
@DarthNocturnal Could be fun, that arcade game, but I don't think it's gonna be interesting for ACTUAL Halo fans: for that, it is way too shallow of an experience. This is more or less Virtua Cop/House of the Dead with a Halo skin on it, much like every other Arcade shooter.
@NaviAndMii Don't even get me started on being defeated by kids in games.... Grrrr....
@NEStalgia Stretches it back up? That sounds more like your TV is doing that. The whole gimmick of performance mode is specifically to be able to play Xbox 360 games with the original graphics, jaggies and all, just like you like them. The only addition is the uncapped frame rate, but other than that, it should take care of your "Vasoline smear" problem...
And yeah, totally agreed on Sea of Thieves (why doesn't anyone ever type titles fully anymore? I hate abbreviations, sometimes, they keep me guessing for ages, like your RotR... ). Looks like a fun game, and I like the aesthetics as well, but because of the same reasons as you, I just couldn't be bothered to play it.
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
@ThanosReXXX I can't be positive whether the X1 is doing the scaling or the display is doing the scaling, but if you're on a 1080p output, one or the other is going to have to do the scaling back to 1080p, which also softens the image I'd have to try it on my other screen to see the difference through the other AVR though, that's the one I played the 360 on. (That's my debate with Deus Ex actually. They have a PS4 Pro patch for native (checkerboard) 4k, while the X1 is the 900p version the OG X1 (that weak first machine really hurt Xbox for a while this gen. Then again, looking at the Ubisoft revenues chart, PS makes up almost half of all sales....the rest is split between X1, PC, and Switch with X1 taking a surprisingly sizable lead over PC. PC Master Race. Pfft. So I guess it makes sense to target PS4 first in general from a dev perspective. Makes me proud to be on Team Underdog for the moment I still have a soft spot for PS though.
Ppl type abbrv. for titles bc 4 ppl like us that write a lot it's just 2 many characters that r typed 2 often when we all know what they mean to keep typing them 4ever. Makes me envy the Chinese language. One character. One word. The ultimate in abbreviated systems. The down side is you have to remember "box squiggle dot sash, dot-dot inside a coily thing with three bars on a stick" means "ocean faring criminals are close" which means "Sea of Thieves"
But yeah the abbeviations only work if you're already in on the conversation and have any clue what everyone is talking about already.....particularly in gaming where so many titles are thrown around so often it kind of assumes everyone is up to date on the current internet dialect glossary.
@DarthNocturnal That's good to know. If I ever do game pass I'll try it out. Or if it has a free weekend at some point.
I still have mixed feelings about Game Pass. The IDEA is wonderful. The implementation.....100 games....mostly cheap old games, indie games, and X360 games, and a few excellent ones. Sony's Now is $5 more, and has 600 games, including most good ones.....BUT it's trashy streaming with awful video. Game Pass has the right idea, but it needs to expand the library of actual X1 games massively to be "good". And I swear Forza 7 was on GP just 2 weeks ago. Now it's not. But they supposedly change them the first of the month...and 1st party was supposed to be permanent.
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